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Official MTV Video Awards Thread [Janet Jackson, Trailer, Spoliers Here]

Soso Deaf said:
JANET. THEN TINA AND CRIS IS BEHIND TINA

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JANET, TINA, AND WADE BEHIND TINA
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LAURIE ANN JANET AND TYCE
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Dayum! TINA! Wade! Tyce! They really put the best of the best on this!
 
TurtleDove said:
Agree.



Wow that's harsh. She just lost her brother and is doing the best she can. It kills me how so many "fans" can be so harsh at a time like this. It wasn't the greatest performance but it wasn't the worst either!



Totally agree. I think many people missed what she was trying to say. She was trying to make the connection between herself and MJ to show that he was HUMAN.



Again, missing the point. The speech was very poignant and totally more than I ever expected.



Madonna said she did cut it down. It was much longer but she cut it for time even thought it was "painful". Honestly, I wish I could have heard the complete version the way she wanted to say it regardless of time. I didn't think it was long at all. I was hanging on every word. I thought it was the best tribute to him next to Lisa Marie's blog.
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Hey could you tell me how i can find lmp blog not to computer shavy. And i love reading about what ppl who really knew him had to say about him. Could of listened to Madonna's experience with him for the whole night.
 
Madonna's speech made me cry because for the past 15 years I have been saying what she said last night - stop passing judgement on another human being whom you have never met.

Janet's performance touched my heart also. And while I will admit that I may be projecting my own feelings on to her, I feel that part of her anger was at the hypocrites in the audience who, if Michael was still alive, would have continued slag off him out of jealousy and ignorance.

When they face their personal crisis they expect people to be patient, understanding but do not extend the courtesy to others. I have always how admired how Michael opened his home (without fan-fare) to those who were going through tough times in the public eye. He made Neverland a place where people could escape the endless hounding of the media.

It has been said many times before but it does bear repeating - the world (and the world of celebrity) was not ready for Michael. It is a vacuous, selfish, self-indulgent, simulated world. Michael Jackson's heart was genuine, real. As Jill Scott said he was the truth.

So while many of those present did not have the decency to treat Michael like a human being, if they had ever found themselves in trouble I believe that Michael would have reached out to them because he understood human frailty.

Give me that kind of human being any day over the host of hypocrites in that audience last nite.

Sorry for the ramble but I have very strong views on the American media and celebrity culture.
 
It's weird how last night when we were watching no one had anything but really good stuff to say about Madonna and only today, after the media accused her of being self-serving, did anyone on here start saying that she made it all about her. I just find that interesting - how hearing an opinion first can affect our perception. Not that that's the case for everyone, but some.
 
PrincessMichaela said:
It's weird how last night when we were watching no one had anything but really good stuff to say about Madonna and only today, after the media accused her of being self-serving, did anyone on here start saying that she made it all about her. I just find that interesting - how hearing an opinion first can affect our perception. Not that that's the case for everyone, but some.
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Very true and that is what have been going on whit MJ for all these years ppl allowed the media to shape their view of him. When he died after the memmorial the they were a little nicer to him, so again everyone jumped on the MJ band wagon cause the media said it was OK to do so. People need to stop allowing the media to guide their thinking and think for themselves.
 
PrincessMichaela said:
It's weird how last night when we were watching no one had anything but really good stuff to say about Madonna and only today, after the media accused her of being self-serving, did anyone on here start saying that she made it all about her. I just find that interesting - how hearing an opinion first can affect our perception. Not that that's the case for everyone, but some.
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well some ppl changed there mind about her after the speech coz its was very beautiful and heartfelt IMO
it doesn't have anything to do with the media
 
Those who feel Madonna's speech was "about herself" have missed the point entirely. It reaffirms my belief that we live in an age where people prefer soundbites to listening to and comprehending the whole story. When her speech first started I too wondered why she was comparing her life to that of Michael's. But I also wanted to know where she was going with her words. When she said Michael lost his childhood but she lost her mother, I wondered WHAT? Is this supposed to be a tribute?

But the speech turned when she stated that Michael got the short end of the stick. (I personally lost it then. Finally someone got it.) If people had continued to listen and not gotten hung up on her mentioning the similarities she and Michael shared, they would have realized that the point she was trying to make would not have been as powerful had she not made the comparisions that she did. In my opinion the reason for the comparisons was to show that there are a lot of people in the world who suffer hardships and loss, but there are very few who really and truely lose out on the pure freedom of being a child; of being permitted to make mistakes and learn from them.

Losing a childhood isn't simply about not being able to go to amusement parks or have fun. When one doesn't have a childhood they miss out on the opportunity to learn the basic fundamentals of interacting with the world as "normal" people do....and end up being looked upon as 'weird' and, in Michael's case, crucified for it. When in all reality they are simply different. And how could they not be?

How many times was Michael critized because the world listened to sound bites and ignored the whole story? Let us all try all little harder to understand the whole story when people speak and not only hear their sound bite.
 
curlybrat said:
Those who feel Madonna's speech was "about herself" have missed the point entirely. It reaffirms my belief that we live in an age where people prefer soundbites to listening to and comprehending the whole story. When her speech first started I too wondered why she was comparing her life to that of Michael's. But I also wanted to know where she was going with her words. When she said Michael lost his childhood but she lost her mother, I wondered WHAT? Is this supposed to be a tribute?

But the speech turned when she stated that Michael got the short end of the stick. (I personally lost it then. Finally someone got it.) If people had continued to listen and not gotten hung up on her mentioning the similarities she and Michael shared, they would have realized that the point she was trying to make would not have been as powerful had she not made the comparisions that she did. In my opinion the reason for the comparisons was to show that there are a lot of people in the world who suffer hardships and loss, but there are very few who really and truely lose out on the pure freedom of being a child; of being permitted to make mistakes and learn from them.

Losing a childhood isn't simply about not being able to go to amusement parks or have fun. When one doesn't have a childhood they miss out on the opportunity to learn the basic fundamentals of interacting with the world as "normal" people do....and end up being looked upon as 'weird' and, in Michael's case, crucified for it. When in all reality they are simply different. And how could they not be?

How many times was Michael critized because the world listened to sound bites and ignored the whole story? Let us all try all little harder to understand the whole story when people speak and not only hear their sound bite.
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Great post and ITA!
 
People amaze me with the bashing of Janet and other members of the Jackson family. Unbelievable! No one have the same grief for MJ than his own family. They knew MJ way better than his fans believe it or not. 5 years from now they will still be dealing with the pain of his lost while others will be getting on with their lives. Like Janet said, to the world MJ was an icon but to them, he was family. Nothing trumps family. Therefore, I think people need to cut Latoya, Jermaine, Joe and even Janet some slack. We should not judge how people grieve. They clearly loved him and misses him so much.

It took a lot of courage for Janet to even step on the stage and give and AMAZING performance. MJ would be so proud of her.
 
I do apologize if this was already posted. This thread goes so fast!

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Madonna Wrote Michael Jackson VMA Speech 'From My Heart'
'It was a privilege and an honor for me to say what I had to say,' singer says of dedication.

By Hillary Crosley, with reporting by Jim Cantiello

Sep 14 2009 3:16 AM EDT

After delivering her heartfelt tribute to the late Michael Jackson at the VMAs, Madonna talked with MTV News' Jim Cantiello about her speech backstage.

"Michael Jackson was born in August 1958," her speech began. "So was I. Michael Jackson grew up in the suburbs of the Midwest. So did I. Michael Jackson had eight brothers and sisters. So do I. When Michael Jackson was 6 he became a superstar and was perhaps the world's most beloved child. When I was 6 my mother died. I think he got the shorter end of the stick."

She went on to talk about the time they spent together, her admiration for his talent, his "vulnerability and charm," and her sons' love for his music.

After the show, with a somber face, Madonna explained just how much the dedication to Jackson meant to her.

"[It was] extremely important because I didn't really have my chance to pay my last respects to him or speak of him in the way that I wanted to," the Material Girl said. "It was a privilege and an honor for me to say what I had to say.

"[It] took me all week to write [the speech], and I just wrote it from my heart," she added. "And I kept slashing and burning and editing."

While she did admit that she left out some choice MJ anecdotes, it was purely in the interest of time.

"I really cut it down. It was painful," she said. "I said what I had to say at the end of the day."

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There is a 30 second video at the link:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1621427/20090914/jackson_michael.jhtml
 
TheChosenOne said:
Madonna's speech made me cry because for the past 15 years I have been saying what she said last night - stop passing judgement on another human being whom you have never met.

Janet's performance touched my heart also. And while I will admit that I may be projecting my own feelings on to her, I feel that part of her anger was at the hypocrites in the audience who, if Michael was still alive, would have continued slag off him out of jealousy and ignorance.

When they face their personal crisis they expect people to be patient, understanding but do not extend the courtesy to others. I have always how admired how Michael opened his home (without fan-fare) to those who were going through tough times in the public eye. He made Neverland a place where people could escape the endless hounding of the media.

It has been said many times before but it does bear repeating - the world (and the world of celebrity) was not ready for Michael. It is a vacuous, selfish, self-indulgent, simulated world. Michael Jackson's heart was genuine, real. As Jill Scott said he was the truth.

So while many of those present did not have the decency to treat Michael like a human being, if they had ever found themselves in trouble I believe that Michael would have reached out to them because he understood human frailty.

Give me that kind of human being any day over the host of hypocrites in that audience last nite.

Sorry for the ramble but I have very strong views on the American media and celebrity culture.
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there is no reason for you to apologize for this post.
 
trueiopian said:
Madonna's speech was just that - all about Madonna. Another self-absorbed and tasteless attempt to seem "hip".
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I'm sorry, but I'm going to say it, you are a HATER. I'm not sure if you didn't get enough hugs as a child or if Madonna ran over your puppy but you take every single chance you get to bring her down. She can't do a single kind act without you or the media questioning her intentions. If it were up to media, the world would believe Madonna adopted her children because it was the "it" thing to do. It's despicable. You are exactly what Michael Jackson despised most about human nature. You want the world to understand MJ, to stop twisting and manipulating his good will, and yet you are doing the very same damn things we loathe as MJ fans to someone who gave her all to honor him. We get it, you don't like Madonna. Who ******* cares? Take your hate elsewhere. There is opinion and then there is nasty and you are the latter.

I'm truly disgusted with the people criticizing Janet and Madonna. Shame on you all!:no:
 
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curlybrat said:
Those who feel Madonna's speech was "about herself" have missed the point entirely. It reaffirms my belief that we live in an age where people prefer soundbites to listening to and comprehending the whole story. When her speech first started I too wondered why she was comparing her life to that of Michael's. But I also wanted to know where she was going with her words. When she said Michael lost his childhood but she lost her mother, I wondered WHAT? Is this supposed to be a tribute?

But the speech turned when she stated that Michael got the short end of the stick. (I personally lost it then. Finally someone got it.) If people had continued to listen and not gotten hung up on her mentioning the similarities she and Michael shared, they would have realized that the point she was trying to make would not have been as powerful had she not made the comparisions that she did. In my opinion the reason for the comparisons was to show that there are a lot of people in the world who suffer hardships and loss, but there are very few who really and truely lose out on the pure freedom of being a child; of being permitted to make mistakes and learn from them.

Losing a childhood isn't simply about not being able to go to amusement parks or have fun. When one doesn't have a childhood they miss out on the opportunity to learn the basic fundamentals of interacting with the world as "normal" people do....and end up being looked upon as 'weird' and, in Michael's case, crucified for it. When in all reality they are simply different. And how could they not be?

How many times was Michael critized because the world listened to sound bites and ignored the whole story? Let us all try all little harder to understand the whole story when people speak and not only hear their sound bite.
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Excellent post! I couldn't agree more! Madonna's speech wasn't about herself. People just don't listen.
 
Moonwalker.Fan said:
The full MJ Tribute - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbAoXfM2k2A&feature=player_embedded

Are there other videos from different angles?
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Thanks for the link. I don't think there would be ones from other angles just the same that everybody saw broadcast on MTV. Anybody have the dance tribute + Madge's speech on YouTube or for wmv?

elmari said:
According to AH, Joe had his own after party after the VMAs. A bit strange, don't you think?

ET and AH have shown parts of Madonna's speech and have only said good things about it. They praise Janet's tribute to Michael as well. :)
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Interesting on Joe's afterparty...ET is being nice for now.

Bnd90 said:
wooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwww i just saw a tii trailer spot on tv!!!! right during the premier of jay leno!!! that had to reach LOADS of people :D

it had mj singin billie jean live :bugeyed
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That is awesome!!! There must be different versions of the ads for TII. Movies usually have more than one type of commercial shown on tv. Thanks for sharing that with us.
 
butterflies said:
Excellent post! I couldn't agree more! Madonna's speech wasn't about herself. People just don't listen.
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People don't want to listen. They have a preconceived notion presented to them by the media or some other outlet and choose to believe in that for their own dark reasons. The filth and ugly of the world is all anyone cares about. It's the only thing that sells a paper. It's all so disgusting. The media has tried to make the world believe for years and years that Madonna cares about nothing and no one but herself. That may have been true in the beginning when she was a young driven "boytoy" trying to make it as an artist in NYC but Madonna is not the same person she once was and anyone who has followed her career with their own eyes and ears would know that. Madonna has been spending her own money on charities, building up impoverished nations, drawing national attention for change, and even made a documentary about it. This too, was criticized by the media because apparently Madonna is Cruella Deville and incapable of love and compassion without ulterior motive.

I'm so sick of it all. Why must such a beautiful notion be made in to something it's not? I guess we will never learn.
 
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Does anyone else see an eerie underlying similarity between Lady Gagas performance and Michaels life, and ultimately his passing? The song name. Paparrazi her choice of intro words: "Admist all of these flashing lights I pray the fame won't take my life"
And then the performance itself. Am I the only one here?
Cos I definately see a message there. A point made.
 
I like Madonna's music, and her as a person, I believed what she said at the VMA's. People like to create drama about everything.
 
RedRoses said:
Does anyone else see an eerie underlying similarity between Lady Gagas performance and Michaels life, and ultimately his passing? The song name. Paparrazi her choice of intro words: "Admist all of these flashing lights I pray the fame won't take my life"
And then the performance itself. Am I the only one here?
Cos I definately see a message there. A point made.
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Was thinking about that today. Could be.
 
RedRoses said:
Does anyone else see an eerie underlying similarity between Lady Gagas performance and Michaels life, and ultimately his passing? The song name. Paparrazi her choice of intro words: "Admist all of these flashing lights I pray the fame won't take my life"
And then the performance itself. Am I the only one here?
Cos I definately see a message there. A point made.
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Absolutely! I thought the scene with the dancer in the wheelchair wearing the mask was very symbolic.
 
I dont know why so much hate for Madonna she did a tribute to Michael, she said it took her the whole week to write it, i mean whats the problem with her saying her similiraties with mMichael, they are true, and she was the only one apart from Janet really paying tribute to Michael, noone else did it, oh and Rusell too, with the tattoos, but apart from her speech and Janet no other artist even mention Michael, and that is the truth, and i dont care if the other "artists" didnt mention him cause Madonna, a real superstar did it, and Janet of course:yes:
 
I wasn't on yesterday. I had to watch the awards on my DVR after I got off work then I went straight to bed, so I'll add my comments now.

I thought the tribute was great. The dancers were very, very talented. Janet did great as well, especially considering what she must have been feeling up there. It was very touching. Overall, they did a good job. I just thought it would last a little longer. :(

Madonna's speech was beautiful! I actually cried. I feel that she meant it all from her heart. Yes, she talked about herself a little bit but only for comparisons sake.

I agree, Lady GaGa's performance was eerily related to Michael's life, but I doubt she was going for that. It just happened. I loved her performance though--very theatrical. Overall, pretty decent show [of performances].
 
about gaga's performance, she LOVES pappazzies, it was only a way to keep attention on her, pretty stupid, next time she would have to kill herself in front of an audience to call attention, thats not talent, at least not to me, to me she would be like one of those one hit wonder artists, not impressed by her at all, and it was not a reference to Michael, it was about her
 
Draliongirl said:
Is it me or Michael seem completely forgotten by the news, who are all about poor Taylor Swift, she so young and helpless(media are making it look like if she was shot to death, then they distinguish Beyonce as some Mother Theresa for letting Taylor have her own moment sacrificing(yes what a sacrifice)her own speech, like if beyonce will not going to win anymore vmas never again, i mean as far as i know shes bettter than Michael if reading the back message media is making, and Kanye, he just tried to put beyonce on a pedestal for defending her and well he defenetly did that, Madonna forgotten, Janet forgotten, Michael, who was he
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