New MJ content (Possibility)

[Zakk]

‘Sunset Driver’ was already released on The Ultimate Collection in 2014.

Released on The Ultimate Collection in 2004* unless you're referring to the fan extras compilation?

 

[MJJuniorSinceMW]

Released on The Ultimate Collection in 2004* unless you're referring to the fan extras compilation?

You are right. I got the year wrong by 10 years. I corrected it.
I’m getting old. Unbelievable that it’s been 17 years since TUC.


I’m also getting impatient..
When will @thegreatestartists post again??
Not that I’m sure that he is legit.. but I hope.

Regarding the post in this thread, that the estate might wait till the Wade case is thrown out:
I may be mistaken but I think he can’t appeal again. It will be the third time the case is thrown out I believe.

If the case is thrown out, they should put out a statement like “You Liars lost. We won. MJ Innocent. To all the fans, we see what you did all the years supporting MJ. Something exciting is on the way for you all, so that you too can celebrate MJ once again. #MJ50YearsSoloCelebration2021

In fact the estate should invite to a big press conference.
Setting the record straight on these frauds. With bangs & whistles!
And further announce the new project, including a hefty junk of unreleased material.

Now THAT would be perfect..

I am so starved on new MJ material...

 

[Fuzball]

‘Sunset Driver’ was already released on The Ultimate Collection in 2004.

But in its 1982 state. Its original 1978 version remains unreleased to the public (although it appeared on a 1999 Bernie Grundman reference disc).

 

[rolerprod]

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ahh..
too bad it has huge protentional and got over looked

 

[lubyss]

‘Sunset Driver’ was already released on The Ultimate Collection in 2004.

So was "(I Like) The Way You Love Me".. and it was released again in 2010 on Michael... As I said before, I wouldn´t mind, if they´ll do simillar thing with others tracks from Ultimate Collection... Songs like Sunset Driver, Monkey Bussines, We´ve Had Enough, Cheater, Scared Of The Moon need proper release... Not be included only on some best of boxset, only hard fans know... I wouldn´t mind a little contemporization to sound more fresh

 

[dam2040]

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I wanna hear the Invincible 'Cheater'

 

[Smooth72]

So was "(I Like) The Way You Love Me".. and it was released again in 2010 on Michael... As I said before, I wouldn´t mind, if they´ll do simillar thing with others tracks from Ultimate Collection... Songs like Sunset Driver, Monkey Bussines, We´ve Had Enough, Cheater, Scared Of The Moon need proper release... Not be included only on some best of boxset, only hard fans know... I wouldn´t mind a little contemporization to sound more fresh

I hope not. We already have them in the the state MJ released them. Remixing them won’t make them better. They proved that with Xscape, the demos are all better than the remix. They should have gave them proper mixing instead of trying to make it seem the remixes are better. No more repackage rereleased songs. I have bought them all multiple times. The problem is the fans buy the repackaged stuff. It we would stop maybe they would give us something new. Or the classic things some of the record companies do is greatest hits with one new song but you have to buy the entire album to get the one song. Money grabs SMH.

 

[AlwaysThere]

Xscape is such an anomaly to me. As an album, it’s absolutely a middle finger to MJ’s creative process and artistry (which is made even more stunning by the fact that it was conceptualized and overseen by someone who worked with him). But at the same time, I can’t deny that most of the remixes are FAR superior to the demos.

I’d rather they do an album that toes the line between Michael and Bad 25 — authentic, with embellishments where necessary.

 

[Maxym]

Xscape is such an anomaly to me

Better or worse than "Michael"?

I can’t deny that most of the remixes are FAR superior to the demos

I can...

 

[Fuzball]

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In a certain way, both posthumous albums were an punch in the fans face.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

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:doh:

 

[AlwaysThere]

Better or worse than "Michael"?

A little of bit of both, in my opinion. XSCAPE has better, more consistent production and better mixing (MJ’s vocals are clearer than ever and it sounds glorious). MICHAEL, though, has a better song selection and more authentic production; it feels closer to an actual MJ album, whereas XSCAPE is basically a remix album.

 

[somewhereinthedark]

In a certain way, both posthumous albums were an punch in the fans face.

I absolutely LOVED the Xscape album. STILL playing it to this day. Have not played the Michael album since the day it was released. The Xscape album still sounds fresh-demos and remixes. Not only did Michael gain new fans with this album, it was radio friendly and DJs at the station that I listen to LOVED it. That album should have been Number 1 and would have been except for the sabotage of SOME fans.

I wouldn’t mind another 2 album release with the same concept of demos and fresh new remixes. Michael’s legacy is not only about pleasing longtime fans; but acquiring NEW fans. That is the job of the ESTATE-to preserve his legacy AND to gain NEW Fans.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

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I said this a bunch of times. the remixes for xscape was for one the newer younger fans and two before michael pass he wanted to try different genres. if you don't like the remixes then don't listen to them. nobody asking anyone to listen to them.

 

[Maxym]

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The problem is that the remixes are the main album tracks... Michael's demos we already masterpieces and I don't think the main versions should be replaced with "bait tracks for younger people"... (and for 'Michael' album, they didn't even release the original demos at all).

Other I'm also waiting for ... I don't know ... Mozart, Bob Dylan, and the Beatles 100% remix-soup-albums !

I understood how bad it always when I heard "Much too soon" demo a few time, I just cannot listen to the version that is 'Michael' album again. Same if I compare original "Love never felt so good", "A place with no name", "Behind the mask" ... I don't remember each tracks case by case... The only track that I know where I like both the original and the original version i Xscape.


(On the other hand... Michael himself was responsible for all the remix-soup at the end of Thriller special edition ... though he was said not to like remixes ... but maybe he expected something from those then-big names .. not sure what to think about it... but he didn't replace the whole album with remixes!)

 

[somewhereinthedark]

The problem is that the remixes are the main album tracks... Michael's demos we already masterpieces and I don't think the main versions should be replaced with "bait tracks for younger people"... (and for 'Michael' album, they didn't even release the original demos at all).

Other I'm also waiting for ... I don't know ... Mozart, Bob Dylan, and the Beatles 100% remix-soup-albums !

I understood how bad it always when I heard "Much too soon" demo a few time, I just cannot listen to the version that is 'Michael' album again. Same if I compare original "Love never felt so good", "A place with no name", "Behind the mask" ... I don't remember each tracks case by case... The only track that I know where I like both the original and the original version i Xscape.


(On the other hand... Michael himself was responsible for all the remix-soup at the end of Thriller special edition ... though he was said not to like remixes ... but maybe he expect some from those big names .. not sure what to think about it... but he didn't replace the whole album with remixes!)

Maybe I’m missing something; however, the Xscape album that I purchased contained 2 discs-originals and remixes. I played the original demos as much as the remixes. In fact, radio played the demo for Chicago even more than the remix. So, I’m not understanding the whining. Any fan that purchased this album had TWO choices to listen to. If you didn’t like the remixes, then you could have listened to only the demos. What’s so hard about doing that? I think some people just want to find anything to fuss about.

 

[Maxym]

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It's true that having the second CD as an option was better than nothing.

But that version with 2 CDs is not the standard album, it's a "collector edition" or so. This means that the main album, the tracks that are made to be remembered on long term, are those from the remix part.

And even if they gave us the choice to some extent for Xscape, they didn't do it for 'Michael' album, and if they still release material in the future there's no guarantee that they will think about it again.

 

[kai]

Maybe I’m missing something; however, the Xscape album that I purchased contained 2 discs-originals and remixes. I played the original demos as much as the remixes. In fact, radio played the demo for Chicago even more than the remix. So, I’m not understanding the whining. Any fan that purchased this album had TWO choices to listen to. If you didn’t like the remixes, then you could have listened to only the demos. What’s so hard about doing that? I think some people just want to find anything to fuss about.

You just didn't understand his point.
The point is not that they remixed the songs... The wrong thing is to use those remixes as the MAIN tracks instead of the originals.

It should be:
DISC 1 - Original Demos
DISC 2 - Remixes

And the vinyl only contains the remixes which proves that they use those as the "Michael Jacksons" songs. And that is not correct.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

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The problem is that the remixes are the main album tracks... Michael's demos we already masterpieces and I don't think the main versions should be replaced with "bait tracks for younger people"...

i see what you mean. i agree. they should of put the demos as the originals not the remixes. i believe they did that for the younger fans to target.

 

[Smooth72]

Besides a song or 2 off of Xscape and Michael I don’t listen to them at all. I do listen to the Bad25 demos on occasion.

 

[Fuzball]

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I said this a bunch of times. the remixes for xscape was for one the newer younger fans and two before michael pass he wanted to try different genres. if you don't like the remixes then don't listen to them. nobody asking anyone to listen to them.

It's way more than just not to listening to them. As kai and Maxym have already mentioned above, the "remixes" have been marketed as "new" Michael Jackson songs - which definitely isn't the case. Attaching MJs vocals to somebody elses totally different composition ain't a MJ song anymore. (Btw, -I'm not a musicologist, so pardon me if I'm wrong- tracks 2 to 7 on Xscape can't be categorised as remixes neither. IMO, they are just plain mashups of 2 different songs.)

As for making Michael "attractive" for younger fans, this is just a bs excuse. I don't think the estate is stupid enough not to realise that we, his fans as well as casual music lovers, were the one who made Michael the biggest entertainer in the world. And we easily outnumber the potential new fans. In the future (perhaps in 20, 30 or 40 years) the figures will surely change, of course.

Maybe someone's still pissed off cuz that someone's been fired in the past. Idk, can't see any other logical explanation.

 

[Hess]

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I know I might be one of the few - but I do like both Michael and Xscape.

I can't wait for more music to be released - I hope the will make it a 2-disc version again with new mixes and the demoes as MJ left them.

 

[rolerprod]

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im a michael fan since i was 6 yo im now 25 and i played ONLY the 'remixes' on xscpae except a place with no name,the rest are 100 precent an upgrade in production for me

and these aren't remixes these are reproduced tracks the only thing that they have from the original is the vocal stem which is not enough to call them a 'remix' ,its a lot more work to reproduce a song than to remix it,also not a mashup of 2 songs its writing new composition to the vocal melody line so basically like starting from 0 ,it is a Michael jackson song cause mj wrote and sang it,when he was alive he was more involved but HE IS DEAD (its funny that i have to mention it but sometimes i think people forget)thats how most pop artist write music anyways - the vocalist and writers will find a melody and write the lyrics and the producer(thats his job)will produce the songs,im sure thats how mj worked up till 'bad' where Quincy and rod did most of the production themselves, he got more involved around bad sessions i think

also they cant use DEMO TRACKS FROM DECADES AGO as singles and front side of an album they WANT TO SALE as i said before michael was the most famous person on earth he would have more casual listeners a month than fan listeners and also when you drop an album you want to make sure you get the most attention on the first week and month so you can chart,this cant happen just based on the fans.

 

[dam2040]

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Some people will really never be happy. We get the new remixes to expand the horizons and get the eyes on MJ again & we got the originals for the hardcore fans to enjoy. Anything else is just nitpicking.

 

[Maxym]

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and these aren't remixes

One thing I would agree with is that in my mind, I don't called them "remixes". Nonetheless, I still consider most of them has ruined mixes...

also they cant use DEMO TRACKS FROM DECADES AGO as singles

Why not? Even if they are currently called "demos" on the album cover ... most of them are complete enough to actually be full songs.
There are example of songs that are different versions on the album and on the single, even in MJ's discography. Also remember that MJ's singles since the 90s use to be full of remixes as b-sides...


Also, I tried to explain that point earlier but I got in a different direction and didn't really finish it: I don't think that songs should be "forced" to "please young public", for multiple reasons. MJ's song (and luckily I can include the Motown era in it) are timeless, his whole career is still good music to this day, and his "demos/unreleased tracks" are still better than many songs from many artists. They don't need to be doctored in the first place.
As I tried to mention earlier, many artists are still extremely popular with old discographies and don't need to "remix" all their tracks to please "young people".
This mostly shows a motivation for very short term profit, all it does is making timeless and ageless works mediocre and forgettable, vaguely enjoyable to listen to.
And even from a marketing point of view, this seems like a mistake: try to arrange everything in order to please "young people", and there is no guarantee that that audience will like it and buy, if that audience even exist. And doings so, you lose people of all ages that could have appreciated the timeless work I referring to earlier. (I see similarities in the way they ruin MJ's works with the way Star Wars got ruined this last decade.)
And do the record sales confirm that this was a good strategy?

Based on these data, "Michael" performed slightly better than "Ben" and slightly worse than another Motown released names "The best of Michael Jackson" (

 

[rolerprod]

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its not about young audiences alone its about general public,xscape did REALLY well considering they dont have the living artist to promote the album,you have to compare mjs posthumous albums to other posthumous artists ana albums not to mjs living work its just not fair and thats putting unrealistic expectations on it.

'lnfsg' charted pretty high and got radio support and was a hit no posthumous album i think(?) ever got that kind of attention and that was with mediocre amount of promo(!!!!)

this whole posthumous work thing is a trail and error for the estate,not a lot of people get to play the music industry from their position and there is no guide book to what could be a success,im sure they learn their lessons with each release and get smarter for the next one at least thats how it seems to me especially with the latest music being released on the drake album(which love it or hate it gave them a hit which means income and thats the point they WANT TO MAKE MONEY the rest is side effects of their success ) so considering that worked out very well for them i expect them do take that lesson and amplifi it for whatever project is next.

also i explained why sending the original chicago or lovin you to gen pub as the face of the album wouldn't work,they sound dated and incomplete

 

[dam2040]

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Xscape was one of Sony's biggest sellers in 2014. The suggestion that it didn't do well is a lie.

Releasing a demo from 1984 as is would be a commercial failure, and everyone knows it. I understand wanting Michael's art as he left it, I agree, I'm glad we got the Xscape deluxe but to suggest that the material would be a commercial success in its original state is a baseless suggestion.

 

[Maxym]

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(...) 'lnfsg' charted pretty high and got radio support and was a hit no posthumous album i think(?) ever got that kind of attention and that was with mediocre amount of promo(!!!!)

I get your point that posthumous releases should be compared with posthumous releases...
But I wasn't comparing Xscape to Thriller... I would have expected it to perform better than a Motown best of anyway...

And I did quick search, there are many posthumous albums, and I don't think that Xscape really seemed stand out in the lists and figures I saw, but I must say it's difficult to follow and get precise numbers and comparisons.


Regardless of commercial success ... I just gave another try at listening to Xscape album tracks (vs so-called demos). They're worst than what I remembered, most feel like they just threw random beats over them, Chicago now has a background duck choir... (well, there was a frog in the background of Heartbreaker, so why not?)
I don't called them "remixes" myself, but they deserve that some people call them "remixes".

 

[dethorro]

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Xscape was one of Sony's biggest sellers in 2014. The suggestion that it didn't do well is a lie.

Releasing a demo from 1984 as is would be a commercial failure, and everyone knows it. I understand wanting Michael's art as he left it, I agree, I'm glad we got the Xscape deluxe but to suggest that the material would be a commercial success in its original state is a baseless suggestion.

I agree. And I think that's the whole point. The estate releases it because they want it to be successful and because they want money. They have to release something that sells and that the general public would buy as well.

It's true that the remixes on Xscape don't have that Michael sound to them, however, if Michael was alive today, I don't think he would put out songs that sound like they are from 1985. He always tried to sound modern and to be a pioneer.

Keep in mind that he always worked with the producers who were most popular at the time. For example, he worked with Rodney Jerkins in 2001 and Invincible definitely has that early 00s sound to it.

Off The Wall is disco because disco was popular in the late 70s. Bad has that 80s synth-pop sound to it and Dangerous has that early 90s New Jack Swing sound to it.

I'm pretty sure that if Michael was alive and would have released a new album in 2014, it would have had elements in the production that sound like that of Xscape.

I understand that we, as fans, want to hear the original demos but you have to remember that you can't release a demo and say: ''This is the new Michael Jackson single'' because Michael 100% wouldn't have wanted that and because it isn't going to have a lot of success outside of the loyal fanbase.

 

[Zakk]

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