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Murray won't be asked to pay restitution

elusive moonwalker said:
I doubt the kids even have a clue about this or have been spun some b.s lie from the family
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The kids know. Paris knows TMZ, she has MJ fans followers, they check internet everyday.

They know. Btw, they have a lawyer, so it's possibe for them that their lawyer asks for restitution ?
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Agree. didnt he say he loved her but didnt trust her aswell. mj put her on a pedasal because who else did he have? and she had no problem putting things on mj lije the korean mess the victory tour etc etc
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He actually didn't say that. He said specially that his mom had disappointed him because she gave interviews about him and Michael hated other people talking for him. He also stood in contact, even after he left the country, with his mom by calling her everyday and gave her money willingly. How much he knew, didn't know, or knew but chose to ignore is something only Michael can answer.

Going by his will, I would guess he trusted his mom when it came to family and values, but not with cash and business decisions since he knew she could be easily influence. Michael could had seen his mother's need for money as something that happens because she wants to support her entire family. So, Michael could have viewed it as his mother acting saintly or as a perfect mother protecting her kids.
 
I think it's probably not going to be useful, or even possible, to "psychoanalyze" Michael in terms of his relationship with his mother? All the Jackson kids had "PR" drilled into them as children, with Motown, and it probably was an almost automatic response, to portray themselves as one big happy family, and an American Dream success story. Those who did NOT portray the family in a positive light, as adults (i.e. LaToya) were pretty much shunned by the family until they fell into line again. And so, I doubt that Michael's public statements about his mother actually match what he was really thinking and feeling? He DID keep some things private, you know?

I'm sure he KNEW his mother was passing money to the rest of the siblings, and he chose to stay out of it and let her do what she would do? The same thing is happening now, of course -- a whole line of unemployed Jacksons standing around KJ, hands OUT!

I do feel that the fans now have enough info to make their own judgments, regardless of what Michael thought, and how he'd worked out the tragedy of having an abusive father, and a mother who didn't, or couldn't, stop the abuse. Now, there is a string of shady and FAILED projects by the Jacksons (and we do know what those are), all of them attempting to use Michael as an ATM machine, even after death. There's been everything from a coffee-table book, to perfume (ACKKK), to a "tribute" concert that degenerated into some sort of ill-fated comedy routine (beginning with the KISS faisco). And more, and more, all using "Michael's name and image," most likely ILLEGALLY. The Estate has shown a lot of self-restraint, actually, for not going after Katherine, TOTALLY. The family uses her to spearhead these projects, and she, in turn, uses Michael's children, as possible. A VERY dysfunctional family dynamic, and we know it well by now.

The decision about Murray and reparations is the final straw, for many, who still might have harbored trust, respect, and good-will toward Katherine -- as having the best intentions about Michael's legacy, and protecting his children from EVIL and harm. There are NO illusions now, for most of us. I do hope that the family KNOWS how disgusted almost all fans really are right now. Even though, fan opinion seems to do nothing to slow them down?

I expect the AEG lawsuit will be a FAIL. Joe seems to have lost his (idiotic) attorney, for his own lawsuit. The manufacturer of his so-called "perfume" seems to have gone into hiding. There are lawsuits generated by the failed tribute concert. Ongoing lawsuit about the ill-fated "charity," that seems to involve Jacksons on the Board of Directors (with salaries, I'd assume?) There is Paris' "acting career" (not going to go there, bless her heart), where she should have been "A-List" all the way, and not involved with someone unknown, and who apparently does not have funding for the project.

Eventually, I hope ALL these projects will go away? Quietly, and permanently. But even if they do? Murray now has carte blanche to slander Michael's name, as long as he shall live. The children will NEVER be free of that.

Good JOB, Jacksons! (NOT!!!!!!!!)

As far as I'm concerned, the Jacksons have RIPPED it, and there are no illusions anymore, about them. Including about the so-called matriarch, who threw her son under the bus, and by association, his own children.
 
randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
My siblings & I were never informed the restitution bid against Murray was being dropped. We DO NOT support that action. NOT our decision.
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Then who's damn decision is it? I dont get how it always gets complicated when it comes to the Jacksons!! ughhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Excellent post AutumnII.. Years ago many said that we should all respect the family especially Katherine. I knew a long time ago they were all shady with Katherine to boot. They have shown their true colors. This is why I never believed Janet's story about a supposed intervention because I know how this family rolls. It wasn't about MJ's health or alleged medication use, it was all about getting him to join them for that AllGood concert and that's why Leonard Rowe was there.

Janet and the rest didn't try to help Michael. Katherine even said she only 'heard' about an intervention but was never involved. Why wasn't she involved? she is his mother and the only one he speaks to, wouldn't she be the first choice to try to help her son?
 
Vici said:
randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
My siblings & I were never informed the restitution bid against Murray was being dropped. We DO NOT support that action. NOT our decision.
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Then who's damn decision is it? I dont get how it always gets complicated when it comes to the Jacksons!! ughhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bet money that he is lying and is only responding because he got blasted on twitter.
 
Vici said:
randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
My siblings & I were never informed the restitution bid against Murray was being dropped. We DO NOT support that action. NOT our decision.
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Then who's damn decision is it? I dont get how it always gets complicated when it comes to the Jacksons!! ughhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Randy's always the last to know about everything lol. Detective Latoya probably calls all the shots theses days. Or maybe it's a CYA comment after all of the backlash...either way I see their greedy ways are finally catching up to them.
 
Ramona122003 said:
Bet money that he is lying and is only responding because he got blasted on twitter.
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that is what I am now trying to figure out...IS he lying?? If NOT,,,then that means that the decisions was made by Michael's OWN mother ..Greedy ass Katherine...and that would be for the purposes that we have already discussed here,,,,in length. If he IS lying....then he is throwing his own mother under the bus for making this decision..and NOT owning his role in it. Wonder if WE will EVER know the truth about anything ever again,,smdh
 
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
My siblings & I were never informed the restitution bid against Murray was being dropped. We DO NOT support that action. NOT our decision.
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Then who's damn decision is it? I dont get how it always gets complicated when it comes to the Jacksons!! ughhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh, hell's bells. Totally predictable. Whose decision is it? It should be the decision of Michael's CHILDREN, because they have been affected the most. But, they are minors. So in that sense, I guess it would be their "guardian's" decision, with input from the Guardian Ad Litem?

Okey, dokey. Probably there is no legal recourse now, but instead of tweeting like a flock of demented birds, those Jacksons who disagree with this should hire their OWN attorney. Immediately.

Are we DONE yet?
 
xthunderx2 said:
that is what I am now trying to figure out...IS he lying?? If NOT,,,then that means that the decisions was made by Michael's OWN mother ..Greedy ass Katherine...and that would be for the purposes that we have already discussed here,,,,in length. If he IS lying....then he is throwing his own mother under the bus for making this decision..and NOT owning his role in it. Wonder if WE will EVER know the truth about anything ever again,,smdh
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Randy has thrown his parents under the bus plenty of times to make himself look good to his fans. Like how he said he knew nothing about Joe's venture in Gary or how he was trying to get his mother to bring Michael's kids to his grave on the first year anniversary of his death. He also had a giant rant when Kenny was removed from the AEG lawsuit and how his mother made a big mistake because Kenny did this and that. The same thing happened when Mrs. Jackson withdrawal from the will battle. I'm sure there is more, but that is what I remember from the top of my head.

Randy does not care how bad his parents look as long as he has his way.


Edit: Just wanted to add that we have to remember that the boys have more sway within that family than the girls. Toya, imo, does not have much power when it comes to decisions like this. Randy, on the hand, seems to be the ringleader behind allot of these shady people. He is good friends with Karen and half of the stuff in the AEG lawsuit comes from her and her stans. Keep in mind too that he was the one who wrote the family statement for Murray's trial, yet he had no say in the restitution? I can't believe Randy was so far removed that he knew nothing.
 
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My siblings & I were never informed the restitution bid against Murray was being dropped. We DO NOT support that action. NOT our decision.

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See, this is what is mind boggling to me......who's ultimate decision is it then? is katherine the one just making these decisions without informing anyone else? offering up Michael's kids to Oprah for an interview and not informing other family members about it? I see a very annoying trend.
 
Who is responsible to decide if restitution is dropped?
 
Ramona122003 said:
Randy has thrown his parents under the bus plenty of times to make himself look good to his fans. Like how he said he knew nothing about Joe's venture in Gary or how he was trying to get his mother to bring Michael's kids to his grave on the first year anniversary of his death. He also had a giant rant when Kenny was removed from the AEG lawsuit and how his mother made a big mistake because Kenny did this and that. The same thing happened when Mrs. Jackson withdrawal from the will battle. I'm sure there is more, but that is what I remember from the top of my head.

Randy does not care how bad his parents look as long as he has his way.


Edit: Just wanted to add that we have to remember that the boys have more sway within that family than the girls. Toya, imo, does not have much power when it comes to decisions like this. Randy, on the hand, seems to be the ringleader behind allot of these shady people. He is good friends with Karen and half of the stuff in the AEG lawsuit comes from her and her stans. Keep in mind too that he was the one who wrote the family statement for Murray's trial, yet he had no say in the restitution? I can't believe Randy was so far removed that he knew nothing.
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Thank you for your excellent post....couldn't of said it better myself....either way we look at it...Murray will still be free to do what he will do to Michael's name...AND get away with it...sad really,
 
Ramona122003 said:
Edit: Just wanted to add that we have to remember that the boys have more sway within that family than the girls. Toya, imo, does not have much power when it comes to decisions like this. Randy, on the hand, seems to be the ringleader behind allot of these shady people. He is good friends with Karen and half of the stuff in the AEG lawsuit comes from her and her stans. Keep in mind too that he was the one who wrote the family statement for Murray's trial, yet he had no say in the restitution? I can't believe Randy was so far removed that he knew nothing.
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that's exactly what I thought
 
Vici said:
randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
My siblings & I were never informed the restitution bid against Murray was being dropped. We DO NOT support that action. NOT our decision.
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Then who's damn decision is it? I dont get how it always gets complicated when it comes to the Jacksons!! ughhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh dear this is gonna get ugly.
 
andyjackson8 Randy Jackson
My siblings & I were never informed the restitution bid against Murray was being dropped. We DO NOT support that action. NOT our decision.
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yeah right. he was prob behind it. seeing as he wants money off AEG. he always likes to play the victim. and will saying whatever goes with the wind ie fans are outraged about this so he claims innocence in order to keep some onside. steven is so obvious hes pathetic
 
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Randy is always throwing shade on the advisors around Mrs J - lowell henry and trent jackson. He's just saying the decision had nothing todo with the siblings, not the family in general, and it seems to be mrs J (with the people round her including joe probably) who are calling the shots. However i did understand that randy was influential at least at the start of this lawsuit but the dropping of the restitution is just one decision in this whole aeg lawsuit - the siblings, eg janet/jermaine/randy seem totally on board with the rest of it.
 
STFU Randy!! Talk to your damn Mama and Papa.. Why wasn't he aware? Isn't he the one that convinced his Mama to sue AEG?
 
I don't believe he and his siblings didn't know. People think that Michael was the weird one for staying away from his family. With the way they act I would stay away too.
 
Myself I didnt think all the siblings or Jackson family supported this decision...
I also believe katherine doesnt tell them all - they barely have contact .. In fact
its not their decision to make - but I would like to hear from the rest not just Randy
 
qbee said:
Myself I didnt think all the siblings or Jackson family supported this decision...
I also believe katherine doesnt tell them all - they barely have contact .. In fact
its not their decision to make - but I would like to hear from the rest not just Randy
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I agree I would like to hear from the rest as well..what I REALLY want to hear is a statement from Katherine's mouth....as WHY. Not a written letter...but the words coming out of HER own mouth. Thats what I am waiting for;

editd to add....I wish somone would ask HER to HER face..WHY she thinks it is ok for her sons murderer to get out of jail and then be ble to profit off of HER dead sons name...THATS what I want to know...because all this bullshit is just wrong now....what kind of mother would let this happen??.....I am so angry just thinking about it,
 
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Vici said:
randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
My siblings & I were never informed the restitution bid against Murray was being dropped. We DO NOT support that action. NOT our decision.
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Then who's damn decision is it? I dont get how it always gets complicated when it comes to the Jacksons!! ughhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He was really pushing me to the edge that I really want to shout what the fuck? So what is he trying to imply??? The DA just go ahead and drop the thing? It's all documented. or is he saying that his parents just go ahead and do it without asking the "siblings"? It's possible however I really doubt they hardly know this thing when he had his hand all over the AEG lawsuit and all the related stuffs. If Katherine is the one who made that decision, I really felt horrible that MJ loved her so much. I really don't understand what kind of mother would do such thing to her own son. I guess then Randy may accuse someone was whispering to Katherine to make that decision. If he cared so much, go to stop all those "advisors". They always blames others about all the things that went wrong. It's become more and more clear that the description Margret (Jermaine's ex) wrote in her book is so damn right. MJ is the only one who can be trusted.
 
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xthunderx2 said:
I agree I would like to hear from the rest as well..what I REALLY want to hear is a statement from Katherine's mouth....as WHY. Not a written letter...but the words coming out of HER own mouth. Thats what I am waiting for;
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Ditto. Although I wont hold my breath
 
missred07 said:
He was really pushing me to the edge that I really want to shout what the fuck? So what is he trying to imply??? The DA just go ahead and drop the thing? It's all documented. or is he saying that his parents just go ahead and do it without asking the "siblings"? Ya Ya I guess then he would accuse someone was whispering to Katherine and Joe to make that decision. If he cared so much, go to stop all those "advisors". They always blames others about all the things that went wrong. It's become more and more clear that the description Margret (Jermaine's ex) wrote in her book is so damn right. MJ is the only one who can be trusted.
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Thank You!!! If your 81 year old mama and 83 year old father are being taken advantage of by 'advisers' why the hell don't the grown ass adult children do something about it?:angry: You go over there and intervene.. Call the cops if need be. Call a lawyer or something and say you believe your elderly parents are being taken advantage of. Same crap they pulled with MJ claiming they wanted to help or save him from his alleged 'drug problems' but they couldn't get near him because of his 'handlers' what the hell?? If your brother is being drugged to death and you believe his life is in danger you go over there and kick the 'handlers' or bodyguards butts. You call the cops and tell them your brother is in danger and is being drugged by his handlers etc..

Randy and his siblings are grown and old, why can't they handle situations like that?
 
jaydom7 said:
Thank You!!! If your 81 year old mama and 83 year old father are being taken advantage of by 'advisers' why the hell don't the grown ass adult children do something about it?:angry: You go over there and intervene.. Call the cops if need be. Call a lawyer or something and say you believe your elderly parents are being taken advantage of. Same crap they pulled with MJ claiming they wanted to help or save him from his alleged 'drug problems' but they couldn't get near him because of his 'handlers' what the hell?? If your brother is being drugged to death and you believe his life is in danger you go over there and kick the 'handlers' or bodyguards butts. You call the cops and tell them your brother is in danger and is being drugged by his handlers etc..

Randy and his siblings are grown and old, why can't they handle situations like that?
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Yes, he had time to sued his ex wife taking his money. However, it's Michael who actually paid the money for him. He was hands on all the AEG and related lawsuit and claimed he just wanted justice but not money from it. Now, he claimed he knew nothing? If he cared, he would go find this thing out. If he cared, he would go do something beforehand before the DA went to the judge. What's the point to twit it after the judge waive their right forever? I was mad enough but his twit made me just burst right now.
 
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missred07 said:
Yes, he had time to sued his ex wife taking his money. However, it's Michael who actually paid the money for him. He was hands on all the AEG and related lawsuit and claimed he just wanted justice but not money from it. Now, he claimed he knew nothing? If he cared, he would go find this thing our. If he cared, he would go do something beforehand before the DA went to the judge. What's the point to twit is after the judge waive their right forever? I was mad enough but his twit made me just burst right now.
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Exactly.. The tweet just pissed me off even more. After the verdict and sentencing hearing they should've all got together and said we want Conrad to pay forever. What happened after the sentencing? they knew a restitution hearing was coming up. You mean to tell me Randy never spoke to his mother about it since the end of December? Is he saying no words were ever spoken talking about the 100 million dollar restitution?:doh:
 
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ivy said:
that's the other part of it. In the criminal trial anything Murray was ordered to pay would most probably gone to the Estate. The civil ones will go to whomever filed it. So you also have that.

But I'm personally thinking that the restitution idea was Walgren's, he wanted to figuratively prison Murray for the rest of his life with that high amount. He asked Estate for losses from TII and they gave him $100M number. then Jackson's realized that Pastor would most probably will give him the maximum - as we have seen before- and that would have given AEG the chance to argue "but they are already compensated / Murray is ordered to pay" and significantly reduce their financial responsibility. So the Jackson's said to Walgren stop his request and they'll handle it on civil cases. Estate and children's ad litem looks from business perspective and as probably they all knew that Murray couldn't pay to start with,they didn't have a financial reason to push for it.

I think this high restitution was Walgren's idea to literally screw Murray over , he didn't care about collecting it, he just wanted to put him in huge debt. But now there's a calculation going on who they can collect big amounts of money from. That's what I'm thinking.
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I think Walgren and the rest were so disgusted by that documentary and the gall of Conrad Murray, the idea was to stop him or discourage him from attempting to profit from it. They knew he didn't have the kind of money and probably never would but the intent was never to get money from him but to stop him and stop him from trashing Michael.

This was a history-making decision. Some can't see it now but they will one day. He will go on to tell his version of Michael's story without any fear of retribution, payback or cross-examination by a skilled prosecutor. And he will harm Michael's reputation in the process. Bet on it.
 
It must have left one bitter taste in Walgren's mouth. This man fought so hard to get justice for Michael, not only at the trial, but for years after, and the very own family of the victim destroys part of his efforts. And for what? Cash.
 
Randy sees the outrage so as normal he tweets that it had nothing to do with him. when in reality its prob the total opposite. he doth protest to much!
 
The only one who could legally make the decision is katherine - she and PPB are the only one listed as recepient Along with the estate. She was the one who contacted Walgren along with "her" attorney. Its very probable the Jackson siblings were not informed or aware of her actions. She doesnt need to consult them - she has her own consultants beyond her children. Or maybe latoya was wispering in her ear she is closest

Im not defending ther own actions just stating they are not responsible for every thing Katherine does.
so to say they knew or didnt know is all ussumption - Randy says they were not imformed of this decision
I cant stand him but I believe this statement is true.
 
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