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trueiopian said:
No, I didn't lol. R. Kelly's tea got clocked while he was performing at the Olympics :hysterical: Honestly, what makes you think people didn't find it appalling? How's it the norm for rappers and R&B artists to mingle with underage girls? Now it would make sense if you said the "Bad boy image" is a part embraced in rappers, R&B/soul artists. If I recall correctly, Marvin Gaye f_cked an underage girl as well but despite the BS he's still considered a legend. I guess the same can be said for R. Kelly. Isn't MJ considered a R&B/Soul artist as well? Hmm. Cat got your tongue?

Invincible sales -

Invincible - 5,138,000
Minimum estimate - Worldwide: 6,700,000
America - 2,482,000
Minimum estimate - America: 3,000,000
USA - 2,221,000 (2009)
Canada - 100,000 (2003)
Mexico - 75,000
Brasil - 50,000 (01/2002) + 6,000 (codes)
Argentina - 20,000
Chile - 10,000 (2001 - 2 weeks)

Europe - 2,003,000
Minimum estimate - Europe: 2,500,000
UK - 350,000 (2001) + 22,000 (2009)
France - 570,000 (2005) + 16,000 (2005-2008) + 30,000 (2009) + 4,000 (2010) = 620,000
Germany - 300,000 (2001)
Italy - 100,000 (2001) + 20,000 (2009) = 120,000
Spain - 120,000 (2001 - 2 weeks)
Finland - 17,000 (2001)
Austria - 20,000 (2001)
Switzerland - 40,000 (2001)
Sweden - 40,000 (2001)
Netherland - 150,000 (2001)
Norway - 50,000 (2001)
Belgium - 50,000 (2001)
Denmark - 25,000 (2001)
Poland - 50,000 (2003)
Hungary - 9,000
Portugal - 20,000

Oceania - 155,000
Minimum estimate - Oceania: 200,000
Australia - 140,000 (2002)
New-Zealand - 15,000 (2001)

Asia - 298,000
Minimum estimate - Asia: 500,000
Japan - 200,000 (2001) + 16,000 (2009)
Singapore - 23,000 (2001)
South Korea - 59,000 (2001)

Turkey - 100,000 (2001)
South Africa - 100,000 (2001)


POW!!!
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MJDangerous made estimates based only on sellers 100% confirmed. Obviously the bulk of sales can not be confirmed, but it is known that Vince has sold nearly 6 million in the first two months (according to Billboard). Please do not distort the work of others.

Thank you.
 
babykinsilk05 said:
And great for Janet dominating that list...no shade, but I think we can all agree that she's always primarily been a singles artist...much like Rihanna is now.


Which is not bad...it still get's you a place on Billboards Comulative lists'
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How is Janet a singles artist when she's sold more albums than she has singles? :ermm:
 
Plus Michael never released as many singles and albums as any artists. The ones he did though well, sold an astronomical amount. Biggest selling album ever anyone!!!!
 
sloride said:
Plus Michael never released as many singles and albums as any artists. The ones he did though well, sold an astronomical amount. Biggest selling album ever anyone!!!!
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Michael has well over 75 singles and he has released 10 studio albums. In addition to three greatest hits compilations which all had singles. He has released more music than any other Jackson.
 
trueiopian said:
She better WERKKK!!
:hysterical: at her owning 50% of the list



R. Kelly would like to disagree. He sold millions and millions during his trial. That fact is MJ wasn't selling as well as he used to. Invincible didn't do that well and this was before his second allegations.
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h0w many millions, exactly, did r kelly sell? if we're doing comparisons, there's no basis for a conclusion, because then there is basing it on how you THINK an artist should have done. Invincible went to number 1 and sold at LEAST ten million. that would be considered excellent, if it wasn't MJ. using the relativity principle is lame.

by the way, Janet's number 1 status at the beginning of this thread is based on dj spins. and of course, that is subjective. djs taking a liking to her. and...MJ fans aren't the only people who frequent this board, as we have all found out.

and quite frankly, i'm going to go ahead and say it, at my own risk. i'm surpised you keep getting to hang out here, when you get personal with so many people, including moderators.

and of course, MJ is the biggest selling artist of all time.
 
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trueiopian said:
No, I didn't lol. R. Kelly's tea got clocked while he was performing at the Olympics :hysterical: Honestly, what makes you think people didn't find it appalling? How's it the norm for rappers and R&B artists to mingle with underage girls? Now it would make sense if you said the "Bad boy image" is a part embraced in rappers, R&B/soul artists. If I recall correctly, Marvin Gaye f_cked an underage girl as well but despite the BS he's still considered a legend. I guess the same can be said for R. Kelly. Isn't MJ considered a R&B/Soul artist as well? Hmm. Cat got your tongue?

Invincible sales -

Invincible - 5,138,000
Minimum estimate - Worldwide: 6,700,000
America - 2,482,000
Minimum estimate - America: 3,000,000
USA - 2,221,000 (2009)
Canada - 100,000 (2003)
Mexico - 75,000
Brasil - 50,000 (01/2002) + 6,000 (codes)
Argentina - 20,000
Chile - 10,000 (2001 - 2 weeks)

Europe - 2,003,000
Minimum estimate - Europe: 2,500,000
UK - 350,000 (2001) + 22,000 (2009)
France - 570,000 (2005) + 16,000 (2005-2008) + 30,000 (2009) + 4,000 (2010) = 620,000
Germany - 300,000 (2001)
Italy - 100,000 (2001) + 20,000 (2009) = 120,000
Spain - 120,000 (2001 - 2 weeks)
Finland - 17,000 (2001)
Austria - 20,000 (2001)
Switzerland - 40,000 (2001)
Sweden - 40,000 (2001)
Netherland - 150,000 (2001)
Norway - 50,000 (2001)
Belgium - 50,000 (2001)
Denmark - 25,000 (2001)
Poland - 50,000 (2003)
Hungary - 9,000
Portugal - 20,000

Oceania - 155,000
Minimum estimate - Oceania: 200,000
Australia - 140,000 (2002)
New-Zealand - 15,000 (2001)

Asia - 298,000
Minimum estimate - Asia: 500,000
Japan - 200,000 (2001) + 16,000 (2009)
Singapore - 23,000 (2001)
South Korea - 59,000 (2001)

Turkey - 100,000 (2001)
South Africa - 100,000 (2001)


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uhh..... You said MJ sold around 2.5 million in the US alone. well the Wikipedia page said chocolate factory sold in excess of 2 million copies.... Why is R. Kelly's album a "major success" while MJ's album is a "disappointment". Number ones, an album released DURING the trial, has sold well over 7 million copies worldwide. It is now at 10-11 million...
 
vncwilliam said:
h0w many millions, exactly, did r kelly sell? if we're doing comparisons, there's no basis for a conclusion, because then there is basing it on how you THINK an artist should have done. Invincible went to number 1 and sold at LEAST ten million. that would be considered excellent, if it wasn't MJ. using the relativity principle is lame.

by the way, Janet's number 1 status at the beginning of this thread is based on dj spins. and of course, that is subjective. djs taking a liking to her. and...MJ fans aren't the only people who frequent this board, as we have all found out.
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Once again, you're wrong - vncwilliam.

R. Kelly scanned a grand total of 13,234,000 albums from January 2000 - Nov. 2009. This doesn't include single sales, digital nor music club sales. He released 4 albums in the 00's. 3 of which were after and during his court case. That's what millions I'm talking about. MJ still sold as well. There's no denying that. But fans are blaming the fact that he didn't sell as well as he used to on his legal woes when his sales before the court case were going down. It happens with EVERY artist so I don't see the big deal.

Invincible didn't sell at least 10 million. It sold a total of 7 million, 6.7 million to be exact.
 
trueiopian said:
Once again, you're wrong - vncwilliam.

R. Kelly scanned a grand total of 13,234,000 albums from January 2000 - Nov. 2009. This doesn't include single sales, digital nor music club sales. He released 4 albums in the 00's. 3 of which were after and during his court case. That's what millions I'm talking about. MJ still sold as well. There's no denying that. But fans are blaming the fact that he didn't sell as well as he used to on his legal woes when his sales before the court case were going down. It happens with EVERY artist so I don't see the big deal.

Invincible didn't sell at least 10 million. It sold a total of 7 million, 6.7 million to be exact.
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no i'm not wrong, trueiopian. where did you get your stats? and you certainly cannot be EXACT. you don't know what is or not included in the sales anymore than anyone else.
 
trueiopian said:
Once again, you're wrong - vncwilliam.

R. Kelly scanned a grand total of 13,234,000 albums from January 2000 - Nov. 2009. This doesn't include single sales, digital nor music club sales. He released 4 albums in the 00's. 3 of which were after and during his court case. That's what millions I'm talking about. MJ still sold as well. There's no denying that. But fans are blaming the fact that he didn't sell as well as he used to on his legal woes when his sales before the court case were going down. It happens with EVERY artist so I don't see the big deal.

Invincible didn't sell at least 10 million. It sold a total of 7 million, 6.7 million to be exact.
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That's not the only factor, first of all the allegations began in 1993. And resurfaced in 2003. There were problems with the record label, and the media circus just didn't let it go. In all honesty I had no idea the R kelly was even charged with 14 counts until I entered this thread. What MJ went through was for more troublesome than R.kelly's.

About the sales, I heard it was 8 million back in 2007. So I really don't know. Many other sources (Including people at this forum) have asserted Invincible's sales to be around 13 million... No matter, it was still a success.
 
trueiopian said:
Chocolate Factory was CERTIFIED by the RIAA - 2x platinum a month after it was released. It sold more than. I believe, it sold over 3 million. Possibly, between 4-5 million. Why are you acting like I'm downing MJ lol! R. Kelly's album was a major success considering his situation and I never said MJ's albums were disappointments. Btw, Numbers One's is at about 9.2 million.
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Sorry I misinterpreted you. But Invincible was also certified by the RIAA in a much shorter time, and where did you get the 4-5 million?
 
ASIS said:
That's not the only factor, first of all the allegations began in 1993. And resurfaced in 2003. There were problems with the record label, and the media circus just didn't let it go. In all honesty I had no idea the R kelly was even charged with 14 counts until I entered this thread. What MJ went through was for more troublesome than R.kelly's.

About the sales, I heard it was 8 million back in 2007. So I really don't know. Many other sources (Including people at this forum) have asserted Invincible's sales to be around 13 million... No matter, it was still a success.
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Both were different cases though. Yea, he was charged with 14 counts and was also accused of wedding Aaliyah when she was young back in the early 90's.

It sold 7 million. It did NOT excess more than 7 million. Even by 2009 it still remained in the 2 million's.Yes, its still a success but considering how he sold before some would say otherwise.
 
vncwilliam said:
no i'm not wrong, trueiopian. where did you get your stats? and you certainly cannot be EXACT. you don't know what is or not included in the sales anymore than anyone else.
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She goes to UKMix and copy everything that interests her. Of course she leaves out that which goes against what she says.

These fans are in denial. They really believe that Janet is still someone in the music world.

Sad...
 
vncwilliam said:
uk mix? and not the riaa, itself?

you have a link?
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No, its not the RIAA. The RIAA is certifications.

These are actual figures. http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=63110

ASIS said:
Sorry I misinterpreted you. But Invincible was also certified by the RIAA in a much shorter time, and where did you get the 4-5 million?
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Yea, and many albums get certified based off shipments.

I'm estimating R. Kelly's album CF sales based off the amount it sold in the states. Since it sold 3 million in just 2 months.
 
i'm going to need more than a forum to prove that MJ didn't pass the ten million mark for Invincible. i need proof with a link from a reputable organization. not to mention, you didn't say what year...and..of course people keep buying the albums everyday, to this day. you just say an exact number, and have me believe it, just because you say it.
 
trueiopian said:
No, its not the RIAA. The RIAA is certifications.

These are actual figures. http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=63110




Yea, and many albums get certified based off shipments.

I'm estimating R. Kelly's album CF sales based off the amount it sold in the states. Since it sold 3 million in just 2 months.
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no..that's a minimum estimate. those are their exact words. that's saying they guesed. and they said it twice. minimum means guess..and estimate means guess. and it's only one source, and it's a forum. how about maximum..or somewhere in the middle? nobody knows anything, except the albums keep selling everyday. and even you admit to guessing r kelly's sales, based on the speed of the first two weeks. that's not knowing for sure.
 
OnOurWay said:
Is there a source for Invincible doing 10 million+? :unsure:
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I believe Sony released a statement saying it sold that amount :sigh:

You'd think people would know by now that record labels inflate #'s.

Watch someone post Wikipedia as a source -_-
 
trueiopian said:
I believe Sony released a statement saying it sold that amount :sigh:

You'd think people would know by now that record labels inflate #'s.

Watch someone post Wikipedia as a source -_-
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I haven't seen any real source for the sales of Invincible.

Lo and behold. -_-
 
The funny part of all this: if we believe that Invincible has sold 7 million, this is the same amount of All for You, according to estimates provided by UKMix.

The difference?

All for You had a whole marketing strategy, videos, tours, special (HBO), DVD, many appearances, magazine covers, interviews, support from radio, etc ...

Invincible only had one clip (two if you count Cry, which was not released in all countries) and was sabotaged by the label.

If we believe that Invincible has sold 7 million.
 
OnOurWay said:
Wikipedia can be edited. Plus there's no source for this 10 million claim.
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there's not a source in this thread that can't be edited. and if people decide they don't want to believe the record company, then, they just don't want to believe it. so far nobody in this thread has posted anything more believable than wikipedia. and people use wiki, when it's convenient, and avoid it, when they don't want to believe it. so five to seven million is just another claim.
 
vncwilliam said:
no..that's a minimum estimate. those are their exact words. that's saying they guesed. and they said it twice. minimum means guess..and estimate means guess. and it's only one source, and it's a forum. how about maximum..or somewhere in the middle? nobody knows anything, except the albums keep selling everyday. and even you admit to guessing r kelly's sales, based on the speed of the first two weeks. that's not knowing for sure.
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Are you suggesting they guessed just because its not 10 million as you wished? So you'd like to believe Wikipedia over an actual breakdown of his sales LMAO! Denial is a b*tch -_-

I never admitted to guessing R. Kelly's sales. You just felt some kind of way when his sales turned out to be in the millions.
 
MJStorm said:
The funny part of all this: if we believe that Invincible has sold 7 million, this is the same amount of All for You, according to estimates provided by UKMix.

The difference?

All for You had a whole marketing strategy, videos, tours, special (HBO), DVD, many appearances, magazine covers, interviews, support from radio, etc ...

Invincible only had one clip (two if you count Cry, which was not released in all countries) and was sabotaged by the label.

If we believe that Invincible has sold 7 million.
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yup! 7 million is a great number. That's why I don't find it baffling if it really sold that much only. It's actually a realistic number because of all the problems you listed.. I just wanna see where this argument ends :D
 
trueiopian said:
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Are you suggesting they guessed just because its not 10 million as you wished? So you'd like to believe Wikipedia over an actual breakdown of his sales LMAO! Denial is a b*tch -_-

I never admitted to guessing R. Kelly's sales. You just felt some kind of way when his sales turned out to be in the millions.
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you're not in denial? what do you mean by 'you just felt some kind of way'?
 
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