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Monster - The Great Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

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smooth_criminal05 said:
^ from the beginning i've never believed that one verse was MJ singing. It simply doesn't sound like him at all. They could have got someone to fill in certain parts where Michael never finished the song.
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this is exactly what I say since the almost beginning (especially on mjfrance).

someone filled the blanks

like always, these demo were not finished.

The cascio wanted to finish them no matter what.
 
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How often does "smooth_criminal05" change his mind?

Not long ago he said he the complete opposite. And before that he again said sth else.
 
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Korgnex said:
How often does "smooth_criminal05" change his mind?
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korgnex, it doesn't matter...i changed my mind also....

only people who really investigate and try hard to understand change their mind.

it's nice !

i think the truth is right in the middle between fake and genuine.
 
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JayWalker said:
[YOUTUBE]pEdyxV1lsdg[/YOUTUBE]
......I'm now convinced, that Monster is not Michael.
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:bugeyed LMAO There goes that damn vibrato I can't stand! :no: That exact voice in that clip is on "Monster" except for minor parts! It's a good song though I give him that! But, it ain't no MJ!:no: Not IMO! To believe that is to believe MJ sounds like Jason on a off day!:smilerolleyes: lol I've heard demos of MJ that sounds like himself not like some other dude trying to sound like him and are better then real songs out here today! So it's whatever!
 
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smooth_criminal05 said:
^ from the beginning i've never believed that one verse was MJ singing. It simply doesn't sound like him at all. They could have got someone to fill in certain parts where Michael never finished the song.
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"From the beginning".... oooh Smooth...
 
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smooth_criminal05 said:
^ from the beginning i've never believed that one verse was MJ singing. It simply doesn't sound like him at all. They could have got someone to fill in certain parts where Michael never finished the song.
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Smooth you are unbelievable man! lol "from the beginning" :wild:

loka said:
korgnex, it doesn't matter...i changed my mind also....

only people who really investigate and try hard to understand change their mind.

it's nice !

i think the truth is right in the middle between fake and genuine.
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There is no such thing as half genuine song, it is either genuine or fake. Even if it were 1% of the LEAD vocals sung by another person, it would still be fake and the attempt to fool the audience about even such a small portion of the songs would be scam/fraud.

But sadly THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE. I tried and tried and "investigated" all November and December and wanted to believe it is MJ on the Cascio tracks, and here is my conclusion: there are only bits of MJ's voice in those songs (small copy-pasted samples from previous songs), that's it. Percentage-wise (because some people like percentages even though it doesn't matter at all, as I just explained above) it is no more than 5% of MJ samples in there (maybe even less?).

Maybe next month you will change your mind again loka and come to agree with what many people have been saying from day 1. :D

All the above is my opinion of course and not forcing it on anyone, just sayin':cheeky:
 
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I am so sad , cause I tried and tried to hear Michael in this song, which I btw, find great , but sorry, I just don't ... it breaks my heart. I don't think this is Michael singing,that's my final answer... :(
 
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barok232 said:
Smooth you are unbelievable man! lol "from the beginning" :wild

There is no such thing as half genuine song, it is either genuine or fake. Even if it were 1% of the LEAD vocals sung by another person, it would still be fake and the attempt to fool the audience about even such a small portion of the songs would be scam/fraud.

But sadly THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE. I tried and tried and "investigated" all November and December and wanted to believe it is MJ on the Cascio tracks, and here is my conclusion: there are only bits of MJ's voice in those songs (small copy-pasted samples from previous songs), that's it. Percentage-wise (because some people like percentages even though it doesn't matter at all, as I just explained above) it is no more than 5% of MJ samples in there (maybe even less?).

Maybe next month you will change your mind again loka and come to agree with what many people have been saying from day 1. :D

All the above is my opinion of course and not forcing it on anyone, just sayin':cheeky:
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i disagree...if it contains some parts sung by another singer, it's not the end of the world. They should have call it "duets" and that was all.

These tracks contains MJ's DNA and that is important.

for example : i showed that both BOJ and BN contain a similar part...proof that MJ knew BN and probably sung the chorus and the bridge.

The problem is that they badly communicate on this.

They should have call it "duets"

but these tracks are important imo.
 
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I'm pretty confident, "Dragging you down like a monster" is Michael Jackson. It's quite obvious during the second verse, things are dubbed after the initial recording, like when he says "and you're runnin, and your runnin" it's obvious, to me, the "runnin, runnin" was done by someone else by the vocal volume and sound. I don't really see the issue with that, since most of these songs are credited with an additional vocalists.

Pentum said:
Of course it is his opinion, you don't really have to point that out. :scratch:
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Why not? So it can be assumed as "fact" and later used as "proof"?
 
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Are you kidding me? What, is he going to spam the forum with "that's your opinion posts"? How can it be assumed as "fact" and later used as "proof"? If I say the moon is fucking yellow or Michael is alive, do people need to go around telling me that's my opinion?

You're just annoying now, Annie. I used to be able to discuss with you, but now you're just being rather stupid IMO.
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Check this out, guys:
[youtube]79W1fk5EzRU[/youtube]

It's like it's the same song. You almost can't tell when it switches. Really good comparison.
 
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what a shame it is that this might not be Michael, cause the song is actually,and honestly, really catchy and it is good... in my opinion at least.
 
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Pentum said:
Check this out, guys:
[youtube]79W1fk5EzRU[/youtube]

It's like it's the same song. You almost can't tell when it switches. Really good comparison.
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Play that to any non-fan who doesn't have an emotional attachment to the Cascio songs and they'll say the same. Try it people.
 
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Pentum said:
Are you kidding me? What, is he going to spam the forum with "that's your opinion posts"? How can it be assumed as "fact" and later used as "proof"? If I say the moon is fucking yellow or Michael is alive, do people need to go around telling me that's my opinion?

You're just annoying now, Annie. I used to be able to discuss with you, but now you're just being rather stupid IMO.
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Check this out, guys:
[youtube]79W1fk5EzRU[/youtube]

It's like it's the same song. You almost can't tell when it switches. Really good comparison.
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I must admit that it's truly significant.

Stacato is almost the same , the beat is the same, the intonation is also almost the same and even the melody

althought MJ was not far from it on a track like "heartbreaker"

but I admit that i was probably wrong all this time..
 
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It sounds like one vocal all the through on Monster :/
 
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Smooth, a few weeks ago you were expressing pleasure at the fact that Monster would be the next single (even though there are no un-confirmed reports that suggest otherwise) and you were saying how well it would do as a single......

How could you have been supporting it being the next single if you had thought it wasnt MJ? Or do you just support it being the next single regardless of the fact you think a lot of it isnt MJ? :S

You have also gone from reporting that your source claimed the vocals were 50% not MJ, to then a few weeks later claiming you didnt agree with your source and that you thought the song was all MJ, now your telling me you have believed a lot of it wasnt him from the start?

Either you have just changed your mind a lot and dont want to admit it, or you are just a complicated man and we have all got the wrong end of the stick.....
 
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Apart from a few ad libs pasted in of course..........

There is a random 'Yeaaaahhh!', which I do think is MJ.
 
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The problem in here is that people are not being respectful and not reading what I have been saying.

I have analyzed these songs for weeks and weeks. Played them in the car stereo, personal boom box, headphones, computer, etc. The reality is that 80% of the people in this forum have changed their mind at some point or another. I have always said that I believe these songs are Michael Jackson. However I have also said many times that it's likely they got someone to fill in certain parts that Michael never finished.

I was highlighting that one verse in Monster to give an example.

Regarding my source, he did tell me that parts of the song contained other vocals and I told you all that here the night after Breaking News came out. He later clarified to me that these were background vocals. My source has NEVER said the lead singer is someone other than Michael Jackson. What I think and what I hear from Sony are two completely different things. My opinion has changed slightly regarding the songs because after me really putting lots of time into vocal comparisons, etc I now believe that these are demos that MJ never had the time to finish and certain parts had to be filled in.

But let's not get confused here, of course I support Monster being a single. It's an amazing song and would fit in very well with the current music scene. It's also the most popular song off the album not including Hold My Hand. I do think that Sony might be holding back from releasing it in fear of another backlash from the Jackson family.

Please in the future actually read what I post instead of listening to others interpretations of what I have said. It becomes a game of broken telephone and creates a lot of nonsense over nothing. I'd also appreciate if everyone used some more respect when addressing their opinions over the songs. There is no 100% fact regardless of what anyone says. We are all just expressing our thoughts, so do it in a respectful manner.
 
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smooth_criminal05 said:
The problem in here is that people are not being respectful and not reading what I have been saying.

I have analyzed these songs for weeks and weeks. Played them in the car stereo, personal boom box, headphones, computer, etc. The reality is that 80% of the people in this forum have changed their mind at some point or another. I have always said that I believe these songs are Michael Jackson. However I have also said many times that it's likely they got someone to fill in certain parts that Michael never finished.

I was highlighting that one verse in Monster to give an example.

Regarding my source, he did tell me that parts of the song contained other vocals and I told you all that here the night after Breaking News came out. He later clarified to me that these were background vocals. My source has NEVER said the lead singer is someone other than Michael Jackson. What I think and what I hear from Sony are two completely different things. My opinion has changed slightly regarding the songs because after me really putting lots of time into vocal comparisons, etc I now believe that these are demos that MJ never had the time to finish and certain parts had to be filled in.

But let's not get confused here, of course I support Monster being a single. It's an amazing song and would fit in very well with the current music scene. It's also the most popular song off the album not including Hold My Hand. I do think that Sony might be holding back from releasing it in fear of another backlash from the Jackson family.

Please in the future actually read what I post instead of listening to others interpretations of what I have said. It becomes a game of broken telephone and creates a lot of nonsense over nothing. I'd also appreciate if everyone used some more respect when addressing their opinions over the songs. There is no 100% fact regardless of what anyone says. We are all just expressing our thoughts, so do it in a respectful manner.
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Umm, Smooth, with all due respect, it is silly to post that background vocals were covered for more than 50%. Background vocals were never the issue here. By the way, you never answered what was said at the meeting that SONY organized after BN hit the net.
 
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any chance for the bridge to be sung by another singer than on the verses ?
 
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Did Sony release any official statement regarding the songs being 'fake'? Did they say anything about this whole matter?
 
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Raiden said:
Did Sony release any official statement regarding the songs being 'fake'? Did they say anything about this whole matter?
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they probably know that something has gone wrong with these tracks now

this is why the promotion is stopped.

there won't be any new release from this album...imo.

I wish we will know one day why did The Cascios make these "montages"...and How teddy Riley, Phillinganes and others didn't notice anything.

did they want to save some vocals from MJ and put it on finished tracks no matter what ? No matter if they have to call an impersonator like Malachi ?

By the way, the video of Pentum has been deleted from youtube as it was expected.

they were fast this time.
 
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smooth_criminal05 said:
Please in the future actually read what I post instead of listening to others interpretations of what I have said. It becomes a game of broken telephone and creates a lot of nonsense over nothing.
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I went back and read your posts on Monster after I read your earlier post in this thread.

Honestly, it just seems like you say certain things and then come up with a clever way of covering it up everytime you are caught out.

But thats just my opinion, sorry.
 
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bluetopez said:
:bugeyed Damn! What a shame! Same dude no doubt!:doh::puke:
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That's what we've been saying from the day one. One of the best comparison is "Let me let go". The voice is exactly the same as on "Monster".
 
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