Michael - The Official New Album - Out December 14th - General Discussion Thread

[Hess]

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^^^^

Only 1 !!! song solely by MJ ???

That's very very sad to read.

 

[Eric]

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It's disappointing that the new album will only have 10 tracks. Dangerous, History, Blood On The Dance Floor, and Invincible maxed out the space on a CD. It will feel like less of an MJ release if the new album doesn't take up the whole CD.

 

[tristantitoune]

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and paul anka's song ?

he said that his song will make the album

 

[White Shadow]

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And I don't think the illegal copies was very good, so people was more likely then ready to buy the original back then.

Slipped my mind the other day I was going to mention this. But talking to my parents about piracy back when CD burners first came out years ago, they said back in the 60s and 70s everyone tried so hard to pirate vinyl to vinyl or am/fm radio to vinyl but it was expensive to try to do it and it was not good quality, but the creativity and initiative was there for people to get around buying originals, so most people did just that... buy the originals.

 

[butterflies]

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Before something can be worth a lot it has to be rare, hard to get etc. An album that has sold just 10 million copies is not rare and even in a 1000 years they will not be worth much. Thriller is still being produced, so more albums are made every day making it less rare for each copy. So even Eventually it will not be worth anything.

You disagree that an album you can buy on the net for $1 and $5.99 for new in most stores are worth something ? - more than the salesprice ? NO WAY. - It's worth something for the one that owns it because it's great music and memories and MJ. But worth something in $$$ - nope.

Okay, so based on that logic, then LaToya's albums are worth more than Michael's. They were flops, they didn't sell well, and I doubt you can find many of them. Does that make them rare or valuable or worth more? Not hardly. It doesn't matter how much you can buy a CD for; that isn't the point of selling a lot of records.
Who knows if the new album will sell more than Thriller, but we never know. But you have to remember that Thriller has been out for over 25 years, so it will take some time.

 

[Derek1984]

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^^
There's more than three. They worked on seven.

They drafted up to 8 songs. But COMPLETED 3. I believe a 4th is only half-way done. And from what I gather, I'm Dreamin and The Future are uptempo dance club tracks. Missin' You is a ballad.

 

[Derek1984]

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^Why only 10 tracks? I get they want to save some stuff for later releases, but 10 tracks seems kinda skimpy. I would think they could do 12 solid tracks.

 

[White Shadow]

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Innovative music videos that will make people go "Wow!"

* I think the best way for that to work would be to make videos like Liberian Girl with other famous people in in that would get other fan bases to tune in to see their favorite star.

*The other thing is to dig up shelved music videos that never saw the light of day like One More Chance.

* Get models or actors to lip sync Michael's song like for the videos like George Michael's Freedom video, or Elton John's song I Want Love.

*Make it like This Is It by Spike Lee and animate rare still photo graphs.

*Make it a montage of cut scenes from past music videos or behind the scenes of past videos. Think about it... there has to be a minute or two of dancing from Beat It and Thriller, and YRMW, and every other video he has ever made that never made the final cut that would be new and exciting to see.

*animate Michael for a full 3D music video. The first full 3D music video to air to television...

 

[White Shadow]

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The radios have to bee blown away with requests for the new MJ songs!

This is important. Most fan bases do this. Call and call and call their DJs to play the same song. They sometimes get annoyed, but that is how it works.

 

[The One.]

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* I think the best way for that to work would be to make videos like Liberian Girl with other famous people in in that would get other fan bases to tune in to see their favorite star.

*The other thing is to dig up shelved music videos that never saw the light of day like One More Chance.

* Get models or actors to lip sync Michael's song like for the videos like George Michael's Freedom video, or Elton John's song I Want Love.

*Make it like This Is It by Spike Lee and animate rare still photo graphs.

*Make it a montage of cut scenes from past music videos or behind the scenes of past videos. Think about it... there has to be a minute or two of dancing from Beat It and Thriller, and YRMW, and every other video he has ever made that never made the final cut that would be new and exciting to see.

*animate Michael for a full 3D music video. The first full 3D music video to air to television...

I like that idea. Michael always wanted to be the first to do stuff, and a 3D music video would definitely gather interest.

 

[White Shadow]

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IAnything over 10 million is very unrealistic in today's music industry.

I don't think regular sales forecasting will apply to this project since people are not going to be buying the album for the same reasons they would buy any other new release.

People are going to buy this out of curiosity, nostalgia, to show support, and because the world has publicly certified Michael as a legend now... at this point you can start to add all the other reasons new music normally sells.

There is no reason why This Is It should have made any money as an album or as a movie, but because fans and the public alike was so damn curious everyone came out and broke the box office record to see video rehearsals of songs most fans have seen in finished form live or on DVD already.

 

[butterflies]

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i guess we all have opinions on the definition of success then. i don't agree that the Thriller success was the only phenomenal success in MJ's life. i don't give the media any credit. i believe that MJ's success came and still comes in many phases. i believe that as long as you have the 'starstruck' quality, then your success remains. Michael did what no other person ever did. retain that 'starstruck' quality throughout his life. so i believe each album was a phenomenal success. just because the media hated him, doesn't mean his albums weren't still selling. just because a certain member or members of the population said hateful things, doesn't mean a certain other segment wasn't literally worshipping him. there are so many ways to look at it. it's just a matter of perspective. but, i truly believe the unshakeable fact is...if you cause people to be starstruck, you remain a lucrative viable entity. not that it matters what rolling stone magazine says, but in the middle of their most intense putrid hatred of him,(long after the Thriller era) they outed themselves in recognizes what everyone recognizes if they are willing to concede to it in thought...Michael had the qualities that made him retain his..what rollingstone called...viability. and rollingstone openly hated him for it, out of envy, because he was the only one who had that kind of viability.

everybody wishes to have what Michael never lost. and that is...the midas touch...the starstruck quality. not to be bottom line speak about it...but if you remain starstruck, you remain the top notch viable brand. no matter how the media tries to spin against it. if this weren't true of Michael, then the media would've stopped being threatened by him a long time ago, and he would've ceased to be talked about, period.

that's why every celebrity dreams to ask only one thing. whether publicity be good or bad...just don't let there be indifference. and the difference between Michael and all the others was he didn't do anything bad to get bad publicity. bad publicity was invented for him. and it was he who other celebrities looked at, and decided that they wanted any publicity. even bad publicity. and, unfortunately, they did bad things to get it.

no matter what people want to say..they can never accuse MJ's career to be a victim of indifference. so his lifetime career is the most successful of all time. and changes in media can't change that.

and as far as Michael trying to repeat a kind of success. no. his family members spoke of how he was confident in his music. and, usually, if a person is trying to repeat one kind of success..they put out the same thing that got them that success in the first place. it's clear that MJ didn't do that. in fact, because of peoples' centophobia, they complained about how MJ's next album did NOT sound like the last one. they complained about too many ballads, or over production..or this..or that. because he was willing to write what was in his heart, and not what people expected. and in the end..people ended up buying his music later, when they thought they would not, earlier. he didn't look like a person that kept trying to repeat something. as a matter of fact, he rested for twelve years and did nothing as far as putting out something new.

MJ sold out the o2 as if he had just released Thriller. they say an artist is only as good as their last album.

you do the math. lol

:clapping:unk::agree: This post is great! Thank you!

 

[Pentum]

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^Why only 10 tracks? I get they want to save some stuff for later releases, but 10 tracks seems kinda skimpy. I would think they could do 12 solid tracks.

This.

12-13 tracks would be much better no matter what. And don't come and say the "omg 10 + tracks iz fillers only". No, there won't be fillers. Working on 2-3 more songs doesn't mean they have to be fillers. They've had a long time working on the album now, so no excuse.

 

[White Shadow]

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It will feel like less of an MJ release if the new album doesn't take up the whole CD.

A number of songs doesn't determine how long the album is going to be. For all we know they could very well be 6 to 8 minute songs adding to 74 or 80 minutes total.

The # doesn't indicate quality either. They might be 10 really great songs. Subsequent albums might be 16 songs that are just good or fair. A lot of fans complained that they would have liked Vince more if Michael cut songs out and made it a shorter album. They can't make everyone happy, they can just try to do their best.

 

[Eric]

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A number of songs doesn't determine how long the album is going to be. For all we know they could very well be 6 to 8 minute songs adding to 74 or 80 minutes total.

The # doesn't indicate quality either. They might be 10 really great songs. Subsequent albums might be 16 songs that are just good or fair. A lot of fans complained that they would have liked Vince more if Michael cut songs out and made it a shorter album. They can't make everyone happy, they can just try to do their best.

I doubt all 10 songs are going to push 8 minutes each.

 

[Derek1984]

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Don't take me the wrong way. I don't want to come across as being ungreatful. But with all the unrleased stuff in the vault from 1998-2009, they can only muster 10 tracks?

There has got to be AT LEAST 12 soild tracks they can put out. If they only do 10 tracks, they must have a plan to re-release Invincible because 10 doesn't seem like a whole lot in today's day and age.

 

[smooth_criminal05]

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^ I know for a fact there are dozens of songs that would make great album hits. If they wanted to there could be 15 amazing songs on there. But they want 10, so they have more left over for another album plus other releases in the future.

 

[Derek1984]

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^From a marketing standpoint, is that the right choice? To save songs for the future? I don't know. To be honest, NOW is the time the Estate can make the most $$ for MJ. I wonder if they're not better off just releasing the BEST 1998-2009 stuff right NOW.

 

[dangerous dave]

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Look, I am fine with 10 songs. It's gonna be great

 

[Remington Steele]

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^^ thinking of Elvis, they DID the right marketing by this...

 

[noa2]

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I would be glad to just have one new song. Michael is gone and everthing after that is a gift I will treasure. And I'm still waiting for that announcement.

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

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I'm not too bothered about announcements or whatever, i just want that album to come in november, i can't wait.

 

[Xscape2040]

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I`m grateful for every song... but they could at least do a limited edition with two bonus tracks. It's obvious they are saving as much as they can for later.

Tell me one album these days that doesn't have at least 11-12 tracks...

 

[LindavG]

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I`m grateful for every song... but they could at least do a limited edition with two bonus tracks. It's obvious they are saving as much as they can for later.

Tell me one album these days that doesn't have at least 11-12 tracks...

Lady Gaga's album The Fame Monster has 8, Justin Bieber's My World has only 7 (+ 2 bonus tracks)

 

[Arklove]

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I really don't care about how many tracks are on the album....BOTDF only has 5 new tracks and they are ALL brilliant songs.....It's always about quality, not quantity....and we all know Michael creates quality music

 

[Xscape2040]

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Lady Gaga's album The Fame Monster has 8, Justin Bieber's My World has only 7 (+ 2 bonus tracks)

lady gaga doesn't count, it's more like a re-release of "the fame" with bonus tracks, but they market it as a new album.

Don't know about Justin, if there are ony seven tracks, I guess he is still to little for more:cheeky: (no offence to if the fans)

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

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^From a marketing standpoint, is that the right choice? To save songs for the future? I don't know. To be honest, NOW is the time the Estate can make the most $$ for MJ. I wonder if they're not better off just releasing the BEST 1998-2009 stuff right NOW.

While I can understand your concern, Elvis has been marketed for years since his death, and most of the material was just rehashes and re-releases of re-releases. It's wiser for the estate to save material, so they aren't releasing the same things for years to come, I don't believe Michael's fanbase is going to change or desert new material any time soon, so from a marketing standpoint, it's the wisest decision for them.

 

[Derek1984]

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Smooth_Criminal05,

You said about a month ago that you could confirm that Another Day and A Place With No Name would be on the album.

Do you still stand by what you said about APWNN making the album? Thanks.

 

[This Is It]

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^^
The writers confirmed it... "conincidentally" just before SC did.

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

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So a place with no name will be on the album? hmm how strange, i wonder how catchy it is, the final version is supposed to be quiet differen't from the 30 second snippet that leaked.