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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Jesta said:
People seem to be forgetting that the only thing in Breaking News is from the teaser and the news reports. No music; no vocals; no controversy. Ergo, no-one cares.
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to be honest I didn't understand the monster focus as well as it was just 50 Cent rap. I didn't know that an Aow and a ha was that significant.

btw - did I understand it right? I'm reading the other thread (cirque in O2) and the only reason Monster bits is no longer there is because they took out the whole Threatened part?
 
People including me was mad because they actually used a part of the Monster instrumental in the show
 
Pentum said:
People including me was mad because they actually used a part of the Monster instrumental in the show
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can you tell me where? I did not attend the show and only watched limited videos. Also I would think that the problematic part would be the vocals and not the music. No?
 
ivy said:
to be honest I didn't understand the monster focus as well as it was just 50 Cent rap. I didn't know that an Aow and a ha was that significant.

btw - did I understand it right? I'm reading the other thread (cirque in O2) and the only reason Monster bits is no longer there is because they took out the whole Threatened part?
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Yes, they did take out the whole Threatened part (save for the end of the Rod Serling speech), but I wouldn't say that it was the only reason... apparently it hasn't been in for a while, as my friend who went to a Toronto showing in June can't remember it being in there. He could have a faulty memory, but it could be that they had gotten rid of it before they had gotten rid of Threatened. And Pentum's right: the main reason we have been annoyed is because of the Monster instrumental... And the "ha!" too, honestly (but again, that could've been taken out of the show at some point, considering it's not on the CD).
 
ivy said:
can you tell me where? I did not attend the show and only watched limited videos. Also I would think that the problematic part would be the vocals and not the music. No?
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I don't know where, I remember I heard it months ago on youtube, and that we talked about it here.

Also, the music is a problem because IMO MJ didn't have anything to do with the song.
 
Jesta said:
Yes, they did take out the whole Threatened part (save for the end of the Rod Serling speech), but I wouldn't say that it was the only reason... apparently it hasn't been in for a while, as my friend who went to a Toronto showing in June can't remember it being in there. He could have a faulty memory, but it could be that they had gotten rid of it before they had gotten rid of Threatened. And Pentum's right: the main reason we have been annoyed is because of the Monster instrumental... And the "ha!" too, honestly (but again, that could've been taken out of the show at some point, considering it's not on the CD).
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I went to the Madison Square Garden show on April 5th, 2012 and Is It Scary/Threatened was still there in full when was this change done?

It was a very cool part of the show (Not because of Monster or anything just in general) :(
 
Shows evolve; stuff is taken out or added in. The fact remains -- again -- that the Estate willfully and knowingly allowed "Monster" to be used in an official MJ show and on the official MJ CD for the show, which indicates that they don't have a problem paying additional royalties to Eddie Cascio/James Porte. If they thought the Cascio songs were fake, they'd have a problem with that.

Regarding Stella's apparent knowledge of Jason Malachi's vacation dates, I'd like to ask him : what does Jason Malachi do for a living now? In what sort of house does he live? What car does he drive? Because the most basic rule when it comes to determining who should be a suspect to a crime is to ask the question : "to whom does the crime profit?" So if Malachi hasn't profited from his alleged crime, it's a pretty good indication he has nothing to do with it.

Considering Malachi has denied being part of the hoax, considering he doesn't seem to have benefitted in any way from it, considering there isn't a single bit of info anywhere that points to Casio/Porte even knowing of Malachi, and considering that a lot of the doubters backtracked on the whole "it's Malachi singing, it's obvious" the second someone here claimed to have proof it was actually Porte singing a bit they thought was the other guy, can we just stop ridiculing ourselves by still claiming that Jason Malachi has anything to do with these songs?
 
And yet it was Kevin Antunes who had complete creative control over this project, not the Estate. It was his decision to include Monster, not anyone else's. In fact, he and Jamie King got rid of most of Monster after the test audiences informed them of the controversy its inclusion was likely to cause. The fact that they took out the fraudulent vocals for the CD at least speaks that they want to avoid the controversy as much as possible, and that the main issue of controversy is the vocals above all else. I have no issue listening to the whole hybrid track - it's my favourite on IMMORTAL - but my enjoyment would've been completely killed if they included any kind of questionable vocals like they did with the initial run of the show. So it at least shows that they're trying to kill the vocal controversy while still using the instrumental, AKA they want to have their cake and eat it too.
 
Yeah it was as a result of the feedback from the fans who attended the preview last year that they removed the actual vocals from Monster. I know someone in that meeting was very vocal about it. ;) Not me btw. I wasn't there!
 
Still no answers to my questions. Oh well... let's just go on to the next thing then.

WildStyle said:
Really, this doesn't even have to be any more difficult than this...

Does the Cascio lead vocalist sound exactly like the voice singing the 2nd verse of WBSS 2008? Because he should sound exactly like him. Does he? Simple yes or no.

Does he sound closer to this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOwsfKZunvA or this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrB0ditWv4Y ? Honestly.
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Since no believer has stepped up to the plate, I invite everyone to play this little game. Put all your pre-concieved thoughts about these songs aside and use nothing but your ears. Be honest with yourself and your fellow fans as to what you hear.

I'll go first.

Question 1 - No the Cascio vocalist does not sound exactly like the voice singing the 2nd verse of WBSS 2008.

Question 2 - He sounds closer to that Malachi guy.

Ok, your turn.
 
WildStyle said:
Still no answers to my questions. Oh well... let's just go on to the next thing then.



Since no believer has stepped up to the plate, I invite everyone to play this little game. Put all your pre-concieved thoughts about these songs aside and use nothing but your ears. Be honest with yourself and your fellow fans as to what you hear.

I'll go first.

Question 1 - No the Cascio vocalist does not sound exactly like the voice singing the 2nd verse of WBSS 2008.

Question 2 - He sounds closer to that Malachi guy.

Ok, your turn.
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1. The Cascio voice sounds like a different person to the WBSS 08 vocalist.

2. He sounds identical to Jason Malachi. In my opinion they are undeniably the same voice.

I'd still like a believer to answer Bumper's question about Stay from months ago.
 
Yeah, the voice sounds identical to all of Malachi's vocal characteristics. Restrained and struggling sounding rather than light and airy like normal Michael Jackson.

The two voices can be picked out in a heartbeat, which is the explanation for the Breaking News immediate outrage and confusion. The outrage and confusion was obviously so huge that they had to release a statement.

I know that I was extremely excited for Breaking News, was not registered on any forums and did not follow any pre-release controversy, however I think I heard a little news story about how the family didn't agree with the release and thought the vocals weren't him, which I disregarded as anger over different things (money, using Michael's image after death, etc). When the song started, I was filled with excitement, but when the lead vocals started my jaw dropped. I could not believe what I was hearing. Not only did it not sound like Michael, it didn't sound like anything he would do.

Why was I immediately reminded of Let Me Let Go when I heard Breaking News? Especially the chorus? I didn't know who Jason Malachi was at the time and thought Let Me Let Go was a Michael Jackson song(although my girlfriend raised her eyes to it and she's not even a huge fan). But since listening to him extensively and knowing Michael's voice like another part of me, it's just immediately easy to pick out the difference between the two.

I don't know if I have better ears for it, and I don't mean that at a put down at all, I'm just wondering. I am told I have a really good ear for music. Not to brag, but to me and some others the difference seems so blatantly obvious, while to some others they can't tell the difference between all of Michael's other songs and the Cascio's.

I still think Michael's such an icon, though, that this cannot go on forever without some light being shed on it. Michael's life will be highly analyzed for years and years to come, every second of his life will want to be known and documented. I think historians usually want to know everything about such historical figures, and so this controversy will catch someone important's interest someday at least.
 
I still hear a difference between Jason's more recent songs and the Cascio guy. The singer only sings in one "hard and clear" tone and never a "mellow" tone that Jason does in some of his slower tracks (like Bigger Man). However Let Me Let Go, Don't Walk Away and Monster vocals are identical.

Jason once said in an article that "if I really try to sing like MJ, you won't be able to tell who's singing". Well obviously not, but it's obvious that if it is Jason singing (which I think it is) he is trying too hard in the Cascio tracks. Additionally the Cascio tracks have had their pitches fiddled with a bit too. The voice sounds more or less natural one or two semitones lower.
 
Frankyboy5 said:
I still hear a difference between Jason's more recent songs and the Cascio guy. The singer only sings in one "hard and clear" tone and never a "mellow" tone that Jason does in some of his slower tracks (like Bigger Man). However Let Me Let Go, Don't Walk Away and Monster vocals are identical.
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I feel that in his first album he tried more to imitate Michael, but around the time of his second he tried evolving into his own. Let Me Let Go still has that Michael sound, while Bigger Man and How I Do are somewhat different.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I feel that in his first album he tried more to imitate Michael, but around the time of his second he tried evolving into his own. Let Me Let Go still has that Michael sound, while Bigger Man and How I Do are somewhat different.
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There was also some earlier song he did as part of a band, he sounds very different from any of the songs. Bigger Man was older than How I Do and he sounds less MJ in there. How I Do actually sounds quite a bit like Cascio singer.
 
Of course Malachi sounds like MJ : he's an MJ impersonator, and you only know of him because he's very good at being an MJ impersonator. The fact that you know his name proves he's great at sounding just like MJ. You don't know him for any other reason than his uncanny vocal similarity to MJ.

MJ sounds like JM who sounds like the Cascio singer who sounds like JM who sounds like MJ.

Go beyond the subjective similarities between the tracks. Think of whether it's POSSIBLE that this hoax could have been pulled off. Why don't the Jacksons sue? Why does the Estate still think the songs are real?

I'll use an example. The other day on the bus, I saw my brother. Same jacket, same haircut, same face (as far as I could tell from a certain distance), same height. But my brother is in Montreal, and I'm in Ottawa : it couldn't have been him. So sure enough, as coincidental as it is, as crazy as it is, it was just someone who looked incredibly similar to him. But it wasn't him.

What is Bumper's question regarding Stay?

I have a question of my own : if Jason Malachi's vocal impersonations had never come to the attention of the fan community, and if we'd never heard of him -- as would have been the case before the Internet, probably --, who would the doubters say the vocals belong to on the Cascio tracks? In other words, if you couldn't conveniently attribute the vocals to one particular MJ impersonator whose name we know purely because of chance, really, and of the Internet, who would you attribute them to?
 
kreen said:
Of course Malachi sounds like MJ : he's an MJ impersonator, and you only know of him because he's very good at being an MJ impersonator. The fact that you know his name proves he's great at sounding just like MJ. You don't know him for any other reason than his uncanny vocal similarity to MJ.

MJ sounds like JM who sounds like the Cascio singer who sounds like JM who sounds like MJ.

Go beyond the subjective similarities between the tracks. Think of whether it's POSSIBLE that this hoax could have been pulled off. Why don't the Jacksons sue? Why does the Estate still think the songs are real?

I'll use an example. The other day on the bus, I saw my brother. Same jacket, same haircut, same face (as far as I could tell from a certain distance), same height. But my brother is in Montreal, and I'm in Ottawa : it couldn't have been him. So sure enough, as coincidental as it is, as crazy as it is, it was just someone who looked incredibly similar to him. But it wasn't him.

What is Bumper's question regarding Stay?

I have a question of my own : if Jason Malachi's vocal impersonations had never come to the attention of the fan community, and if we'd never heard of him -- as would have been the case before the Internet, probably --, who would the doubters say the vocals belong to on the Cascio tracks? In other words, if you couldn't conveniently attribute the vocals to one particular MJ impersonator whose name we know purely because of chance, really, and of the Internet, who would you attribute them to?
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You didn't play properly. First answer the 2 questions and then I'll get to what you said.
 
kreen said:
Of course Malachi sounds like MJ : he's an MJ impersonator, and you only know of him because he's very good at being an MJ impersonator. The fact that you know his name proves he's great at sounding just like MJ. You don't know him for any other reason than his uncanny vocal similarity to MJ.

MJ sounds like JM who sounds like the Cascio singer who sounds like JM who sounds like MJ.

Go beyond the subjective similarities between the tracks. Think of whether it's POSSIBLE that this hoax could have been pulled off. Why don't the Jacksons sue? Why does the Estate still think the songs are real?

I'll use an example. The other day on the bus, I saw my brother. Same jacket, same haircut, same face (as far as I could tell from a certain distance), same height. But my brother is in Montreal, and I'm in Ottawa : it couldn't have been him. So sure enough, as coincidental as it is, as crazy as it is, it was just someone who looked incredibly similar to him. But it wasn't him.

What is Bumper's question regarding Stay?

I have a question of my own : if Jason Malachi's vocal impersonations had never come to the attention of the fan community, and if we'd never heard of him -- as would have been the case before the Internet, probably --, who would the doubters say the vocals belong to on the Cascio tracks? In other words, if you couldn't conveniently attribute the vocals to one particular MJ impersonator whose name we know purely because of chance, really, and of the Internet, who would you attribute them to?
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i have yet to hear anybody that sounds like MJ..no matter how hard they try. not only the voice, but the songs, also. and his fingerprints on the sessions. and this was before the internet and beyond. i've been a fan before the internet. i haven't bought any songs that were by someone other than MJ, if i was trying to buy an MJ song.
 
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Frankyboy5 said:
I still hear a difference between Jason's more recent songs and the Cascio guy. The singer only sings in one "hard and clear" tone and never a "mellow" tone that Jason does in some of his slower tracks (like Bigger Man). However Let Me Let Go, Don't Walk Away and Monster vocals are identical.

Jason once said in an article that "if I really try to sing like MJ, you won't be able to tell who's singing". Well obviously not, but it's obvious that if it is Jason singing (which I think it is) he is trying too hard in the Cascio tracks. Additionally the Cascio tracks have had their pitches fiddled with a bit too. The voice sounds more or less natural one or two semitones lower.
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All Right VS Bigger Man - same style
 
Jason Malachi is not an Mj impersonator. Never has been. He never even promoted himself as such. It was sheer accident that one song, Mamacita, was mistaken for Mj by a radio station which then caught the attention of TMZ. Jason personally went to great lengths to clear up the confusion including releasing videos of himself singing as well as explaining how it is him on the songs with other fans on forums. He was clearly heavily inspired by Michael and try to copy him both vocally and in his dance moves, but he was never an impersonator in any official way. It is the accidental confusion with songs like Mamacita and Let Me Let Go, which still fool some people to this day, that led to some labelling him as an impersonator. While he sounds similar in some ways, enough to fool casual listeners and some less attentive fans, the differences between his voice and Michael's are striking and easy to pick out to the initiated. Those very same differences, vibrato etc etc etc, are on each and every Cascio track. That is a fact that two years down the line, has still not been justified by any grounded explanation. If there was at least one Mj trademark in these songs, or some evidence that he had been involved, then that would be one thing. But there is nothing. It is only logical to be highly suspicious and want answers. Although, my fellow doubters will agree, the answers are obvious.

Also, let's be clear. What the Jacksons do or don't do is irrelevant. It has no bearing on what we hear on the songs and smacks of desperation. Can't explain the issues with the tracks or show any proof it's Michael? Shift the issue to the Jacksons. There could be any number of reasons why they don't sue. Speculating on that is pointless. As for the Estate, I don't see them saying they believe the songs are real. Even if they decided that they are not real then what could they do? Unless explicit evidence came to light in the public domain, and forced their hand into action, then why would they risk the enormous damage that would be done by suing or taking any other action against Cascio and co? it would be a public relations disaster. The scandal and media interest would be huge and highly damaging. People wouldn't care about the truth. The fact that the Estate had put fake songs on a record would be enough of a headline to destroy confidence in them. It is much safer and cost effective to let it lie.


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I have a question of my own : if Jason Malachi's vocal impersonations had never come to the attention of the fan community, and if we'd never heard of him -- as would have been the case before the Internet, probably --, who would the doubters say the vocals belong to on the Cascio tracks? In other words, if you couldn't conveniently attribute the vocals to one particular MJ impersonator whose name we know purely because of chance, really, and of the Internet, who would you attribute them to?
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Then nothing would change. It would simply be a case of trying to identify who the vocalist is because it clearly isn't Mj. Unfortunately or otherwise, Eddie used someone who already had an established track record of fooling people. It would have been better for him if Jason had never been heard of, but that wasn't the case.
 
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StellaJackson said:
That is a fact that two years down the line, has still not been justified by any grounded explanation. If there was at least one Mj trademark in these songs, or some evidence that he had been involved, then that would be one thing. But there is nothing.
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What about the voice identification reports the Estate say they have? Doubters completely underestimate the importance of these reports. You say they they don't have them? Then why don't you-- or anybody else -- sue? And I don't believe for a second that they would pretend they've done such analysis when they haven't : the Estate is not some 2-bit Mickey Mouse organization. They would have just not used the songs if they didn't have a voice analysis report that convinced them the voicals were legit.

You admit they do have those reports, but that their results are inaccurate? Come on now : so it's scientifically determined the voice is MJ's, which is subjectively also confirmed by millions of people around the world, and still you can't admit you just were wrong?

Beside, people are always talking about the "Cascio singer" like the singing style on all 12 of those Cascio songs is always the same. But you have the angry, upbeat, fast-paced vocals of BN, the sweet, classic-MJ, saccharine voice of KYHU, the busy choruses of Burn 2Nite where you can't even tell if MJ is in there or not, the lower-voiced, soothing, slower vocal on All I Need, etc.

MJ's singing style is different from one Cascio track to the other, so in order for JM to be involved, he would have to be as versatile as MJ, and imitate him not just in one of his singing style, but in all of them.
 
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What about the voice identification reports the Estate say they have? Doubters completely underestimate the importance of these reports. You say they they don't have them? Then why don't you-- or anybody else -- sue? And I don't believe for a second that they would pretend they've done such analysis when they haven't : the Estate is not some 2-bit Mickey Mouse organization. They would have just not used the songs if they didn't have a voice analysis report that convinced them the voicals were legit.

You admit they do have those reports, but that their results are inaccurate? Come on now : so it's scientifically determined the voice is MJ's, which is subjectively also confirmed by millions of people around the world, and still you can't admit you just were wrong?

Beside, people are always talking about the "Cascio singer" like the singing style on all 12 of those Cascio songs is always the same. But you have the angry, upbeat, fast-paced vocals of BN, the sweet, classic-MJ, saccharine voice of KYHU, the busy choruses of Burn 2Nite where you can't even tell if MJ is in there or not, the lower-voiced, soothing, slower vocal on All I Need, etc.

MJ's singing style is different from one Cascio track to the other, so in order for JM to be involved, he would have to be as versatile as MJ, and imitate him not just in one of his singing style, but in all of them.
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What Estate reports? Have you seen them? What did they test? What was it tested against? What was the margin of error? Were they tested against Malachi vocals, who the Estate were already investigating at that time? Without this information, these reports, if they even happened, have no standing. Funny how you put so much faith into forensic evidence that you have never seen yet competely ignore the remarkable comparison audios put together by fans, calling them an inexact science. Reality check: forensic voice identification is far from 100% accurate either. The analysis may have have given them some comfort in using the songs but it is not infallable. It is certainly not scientifically 100% accurate. I trust my ears as someone who has been listening to Mj daily for decades. Not on invisible reports from unidentified experts. Why don't I sue? I didn't realise I had to sue a multinational corporation in order to prove my position on an internet forum.

Who are these millions of people around the world who have subjectively, with subjectively being the key word, identified Mj? Have you spoken to everybody who bought the album? I have friends who are fans and don't use forums who do not hear Mj. So do many others. Look at the reviews on amazon, hmv etc. For as many positive reviews, there are as many who state the songs are fake. I'm sure many casual music listeners and casual fans bought the album and were fooled, as did many who bought it and asked questions. Putting your faith in the opinion of an immeasurable number of people who you have never met is about as weak a position as you could possibly have.

Your right that the singing on the Cascio tracks covers a number of styles. So does Jason. For every Cascio style, be it uptempo like BN or a ballad like All I Need, you will find several JM songs covering the same style. Everything that the Cascio vocalist does, has been done by Jason in his own stuff. The one thing the Cascio vocalist never does is achieve the range or versatility of Mj. That's why he does hardly any of his own adlibs and the ones that are there had to be pasted in. While the singing style may be different across 12 songs, the presence of all Jason's vocal traits and the absense of any of Mj's is evident on all 12 tracks. One minute these are poor guide vocals, the next they are so versatile that no one can copy them. You can't have it both ways.
 
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StellaJackson;3725690 said:
What Estate reports? Have you seen them? What did they test? What was it tested against? What was the margin of error? Were they tested against Malachi vocals, who the Estate were already investigating at that time? Without this information, these reports, if they even happened, have no standing. Funny how you put so much faith into forensic evidence that you have never seen yet competely ignore the remarkable comparison audios put together by fans, calling them an inexact science. Reality check: forensic voice identification is far from 100% accurate either. The analysis may have have given them some comfort in using the songs but it is not infallable. It is certainly not scientifically 100% accurate. I trust my ears as someone who has been listening to Mj daily for decades. Not on invisible reports from unidentified experts. Why don't I sue? I didn't realise I had to sue a multinational corporation in order to prove my position on an internet forum.
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You’re missing the point. I don’t know what’s in these reports, and neither do you. But the Estate does, and THEY obviously think that those reports are pretty darn solid, because they’re still selling the “Michael” album on their website as we speak. And the Jacksons must think those reports are pretty darn solid too, if they won’t sue, when suing and especially attacking the Estate is their new speciality.

The forensic reports are almost certainly not a comparison between “the Cascio singer” and Jason Malachi: the Estate probably didn’t even know who that nobody was when they made the tests. It’s fans like you who have made JM part of this: he didn’t have anything to do with it until you brought him publicity, which is deliciously ironic.

No, the forensic comparison must be between the Cascio vocals and other MJ vocals. And YES, if those reports, done by two professional firms, point within a reasonable margin of error to the Cascio singer being MJ, well, they’re more trustworthy than your ears, since your ears are connected to your mind, and your mind is that the Cascio tracks are fake. The US military turned to such firms to authenticate Bin Laden’s audio messages; maybe they should have just asked you? “Trust me, General, I’m using my EARS.”

Here’s what I’m gonna do. I’m willing to contribute $500 to a legal fund against the Estate. If we can find 20 other fans willing to spend $500 – and MJ’s legacy should be worth at least that much to us – that’s $10,000 right there. That should be enough to at least get a lawyer to investigate this, right?

You guys are so sure of yourselves? You have those audio comparisons that you put so much faith in? There’s hundreds of thousands of you? Then do what would have already been done if this had happened in the Beatles community, or in the Rolling Stones community, or in the Bob Dylan community. Let’s get together, let’s break our piggy banks and hire a lawyer. I’m contributing $500, and if we all do, we’re talking serious money.
 
kreen;3725719 said:
The forensic reports are almost certainly not a comparison between “the Cascio singer” and Jason Malachi: the Estate probably didn’t even know who that nobody was when they made the tests. It’s fans like you who have made JM part of this: he didn’t have anything to do with it until you brought him publicity, which is deliciously ironic.
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Exactly. First off, the Estate never disclosed who the forensic examiner was. They never disclosed when the examination was done. They never disclosed specifically what vocals were given for examination. Hell, as far as we could be concerned, the examination was never even performed; just something to tell the fan community to ease our minds. I'm not saying that they SHOULD do all this, but considering all that has happened and all that has been said by the fans and family, wouldn't it make sense to release it? Leaving us with their word isn't much.

The only reason I would contribute money to finding a lawyer is to expose Eddie Cascio for who he is - a total liar. If this case WERE to somehow make its way to court, the Estate and the Cascios would have to bring up some undeniable evidence that Michael is the true vocalist on the songs, such as the long rumored worktapes or video of Michael recording Monster. But ya know what I really figure what would be easier?

Now, keep in mind that I'm not an audio expert or anyone that knows about this kind of stuff. I figure that we could find a forensic audio examiner of our own and give him/her the Breaking News a cappella, as well as some a cappellas of other Michael songs (Hollywood Tonight, Hold My Hand, Blood on the Dance Floor, etc. - try to avoid anything prior to the History era, if possible; the closer the song was recorded to 2007 the better) and have him/her analyze the audio for themselves. Based on their reports, we could challenge whatever the Estate has to say. I don't know if it was done before, if it would work or if it would be worth our time. But it's obvious that it is the SAME voice on all twelve Cascio tracks. So if one song is fake, there's a big chance that the other eleven are too.
 
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Isn't is a GIGANTIC red flag that the songs sounded so unlike Michael they had to get "forensic audio experts" in to make the decision that Michael Jackson's own Estate couldn't verify themselves with ease? L O L

Mark: "Hey, Jim.. This song sound like Michael Jackson to you?"

(Listening to Breaking News...)

Jim: "Damn, I... I can't tell."

Mark: "How about this one?"

(Mark plays Best of Joy. In an instant, Jim's face lights up and he starts tapping his feet.)

Jim: "AW YEA THATS MY MAN THATS MICHAEL ALRIGHT!"

Mark: "Hmm... how about this one?"

(Mark plays Monster)

Jim: "Hmmm...... hmm.... hmmm.... hmmmmm..... are you in there Michael?"

Mark: "I can't tell either."

Jim: "... better call in the experts."

Mark: "The family? They say it isn't him..."

Jim: "No, what do they know? The Music Detectives... Harben and Tolly."

Mark: "Of course...Why didn't I think of it?"




SCENE: Harben and Tolly have arrived at the scene, and are standing over the laptop computer emitting strange Michael Jackson-ish noises. Is it really Michael Jackson? We'll soon find out.

Mark starts playing Breaking News.

Jim: "So you see... we play these Cascio songs and suddenly we're at a loss. We can't tell who it is. Even our Twitter page is in an uproar over it."

Mark: "They really want answers, you guys."

Harben and Tolly exchange serious glances.

Harben: "Tolly and I suspect the singer on the songs is Jason Cupeta, a young mall security guard from New Jersey."

Jim: "You don't say... Hm. Should we... give this Jason a call?"

Tolly: "I think that would be a good idea."

Mark picks up the phone and dials a random number.

Mark: "Uh, yes, is this Jason? Oh good, good. Hey, look I have a question for you."

Mark gives a thumbs up to Harben, Tolly and Jim.

Mark: "Uh, yeah, these Music Detectives listened to this song Breaking News and they think it's you. Is it? ... It isn't. ....You're sure... You really didn't sing on it? .... Really? Okay!"

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Mark: "It wasn't him you guys..."

Jim: "DAMMIT THEN WHO WAS IT?!?!"

Harben: "There's only one other possible conclusion. The singer MUST be Michael Jackson."

Mark: "Of course."

Jim: "RELEASE A STATEMENT IMMEDIATELY!"

THE OFFICIAL ESTATEMENT:

Dear fans of the dude named Michael Jackson,
We heard you thought maybe some of the songs weren't actually real. But really they are. We got the universes greatest Music Detectives on the case and they discovered it wasn't Jason Malachi singing. Don't worry, we called and confirmed. We also asked Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny if they thought Michael was singing. They said he was. So ha. Take that TPMaster.
THE MICHELLE JAKESON ESTATE (We Really Care)
 
Harben and Tolly...loooooool...Well, at least now we know their names...That's a start....:D
 
Aniram said:
Isn't is a GIGANTIC red flag that the songs sounded so unlike Michael they had to get "forensic audio experts" in to make the decision that Michael Jackson's own Estate couldn't verify themselves with ease? L O L
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you do realize that the reason they got an expert analysis is probably to have objective and something based on established methods at hand.

because whether you admit it or not hearing is subjective and anyone can be wrong. I have posted in detail how people suck in voice identification.

So imagine that the Jacksons who are anti-estate and want executors removed rushing to court claiming a wrongdoing on their part. Executors going and saying "oh it's Michael for sure I determined it with my ears with ease" would mean absolutely nothing. That's why an expert report is needed. That's what would also stop any and all consumer fraud lawsuits even seeing the inside of a courtroom. That's also the reason why you don't see any fans or Jacksons rushing to a court with their ears and TPIMaster comparisons.
 
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