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what say you, Kreen and company? Stark evidence that those you believe in are frauds. tracks of theirs are being removed. starting to remove at fifty percent means they are revealed, and the jigg is up, one hundred percent.
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what say you, Kreen and company? Stark evidence that those you believe in are frauds. tracks of theirs are being removed. starting to remove at fifty percent means they are revealed, and the jigg is up, one hundred percent.
the only thing from monster was already the 50 cent rap , only one line saying "the king has risen". how does removing or adding legit 50 cent rap mean anything? unless of course you exaggerated the one line 50 cent rap to equal to the Cascio songs and now continue to exaggerate it to a win ? Plus if you read In Loving Memory of the cut acts in the Cirque du Soleil Michael Jackson Immortal World Tour ( http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...du-Soleil-Michael-Jackson-Immortal-World-Tour ) you would have seen they have cut many acts and made changes over the time. you will also see that about 4 months earlier there were talks that the European show will be shorter and smaller to fit the venues. It doesn't mean anything in regards to authenticity. They cut WBSS too, does that mean it's fake too?
Oh and if you didn't know they removed the 20 second of monster which included the Cascio vocals after several fans were invited to the rehearsal in Canada and they mentioned it. so you are 1 year late to ask "what say you kreen and company" and act like this removals are something new.
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the bigger question is, why would any changes be made to the tour..and why would they choose one of those songs to alter in any way? i heard the tour initially sold well, based on osmosis..but..what happened to the tour's sales in latter months?
Please go read the thread I posted. Even the dancers that worked on the show said it will be smaller and shorter due to Venue sizes in Europe and how dangerous it is to do acrobatics in tight narrow spaces. They removed the tree as it was hard to transfer it from venue to venue. You will also see a lot edits of the stuff that they couldn't do at every venue as the time went on.
And Cirque was the top tour of America, their sales are better than anyone else. sorry to burst your bubble.
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you didn't burst my bubble with that. we're just talking about the songs, here. plus, it's interesting how you addressed the last of my recent posts, immediately but not the ones before it, immediately. Neither is making a relative comparison of sales in America, in this climate really meaning anything. and Cirque what? Cirque has a lot of different subjects they do shows on.
I didn't know that there was a requirement that I needed to address every one of your post quickly. I have a job and I enjoyed my Friday night with my BF and I just came home from the movies and now checking MJJC and surfing the net. There's nothing interesting with me having a life and not having the need to answer any and all posts. If you expect me to respond to everything then you'll find yourself waiting for the most of the time.
and yes you going "yeah yeah they removed the songs it shows the fraud, we got evidence now. egg on your face believers booyah" and me saying "chill out dude they had already removed the 20 second Cascio vocals when this was in rehearsal stage and only thing was 50 cent going "king has risen" for 5 seconds and they had already said there will be cuts in Europe shows" was quite entertaining from where I am sitting.
off to watch project runway.. don't wait for quick responses or any responses actually. I tend to ignore people over the weekend and go outside and have a life.
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I didn't know that there was a requirement that I needed to address every one of your post quickly. I have a job and I enjoyed my Friday night with my BF and I just came home from the movies and now checking MJJC and surfing the net. There's nothing interesting with me having a life and not having the need to answer any and all posts. If you expect me to respond to everything then you'll find yourself waiting for the most of the time.
and yes you going "yeah yeah they removed the songs it shows the fraud, we got evidence now. egg on your face believers booyah" and me saying "chill out dude they had already removed the 20 second Cascio vocals when this was in rehearsal stage and only thing was 50 cent going "king has risen" for 5 seconds and they had already said there will be cuts in Europe shows" was quite entertaining from where I am sitting.
off to watch project runway.. don't wait for quick responses or any responses actually. I tend to ignore people over the weekend and go outside and have a life.
that's good that you have a life. we all do. and i was only referring to my post above the one you responded to. i'm glad you say you found my post entertaining. and the fact that you just filled space in a post without really saying anything does prove that you really are paying much attention to the life you are having, but not the subject, here.
enjoy your life.
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nope, although I am okay with 50's rap (not that it's any good though), Immortal also had the "aaow" (so obviously from a previous song) and the "HA!" which is of questionable origin, even among doubters there is a debate whether it is MJ or not...
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I honestly really liked the snippet of 50's rap during Threatened -- the-the-th-the king-the king has risen. But I'm glad they removed it from the show; we don't need any more reminders of the Cascio tracks. But quick question: seeing as how Kevin Antunes only used the portion of the a cappella that 50 wrote, would Curtis Jackson (50 Cent) be getting the payment for its use, or would Eddie Cascio?
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On the CD & Show program Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte, and Curtis Jackson (Rap) are credited for writing Monster so yes they will be receiving royalties.
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you know, i never knew of any rap during Threatened, except the Twighlight Zone man's one, on Invincible. Makes me wonder why Ivy brought it up.
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so you commented without even knowing what you commented on ?
pricelessand FYI - they got 1 line of 50 cent's rap from Monster in which he says "the king has risen" and mixed that up with Threatened Rod Sterling rap/ spoken part for Immortal. It's there on the CD. It used to be there on the live show.
so when Stella said "snippets of monster is removed" the first thing that came to my mind is the 50 cent one line rap that was in the mix. Apparently there's an "aow" and a "ha!" as well. Total of 5 seconds or so in an overall 70 to 90 minute show.
And as I said initially during the rehearsals there was around 20 seconds of Monster mixed with Threatened which was removed even before the show started its run. The only thing left was one line from 50 Cent rap verse which apparently now removed as well with multiple other songs and changes to other acts.
Edited to add:
watch this
At first you will hear Rod Sterling saying "Never Neverland, that’s the place", then bits from "somebody is watching me" and then on the 20 second mark you'll hear 50 cent saying " the king.. the king.. the king has risen" (twice) taken from Monster
[video=youtube_share;t9_6xfQXvOg]http://youtu.be/t9_6xfQXvOg[/video]
hmm they also used to have 6 dancers, it seems on this one they only have 4
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so you commented without even knowing what you commented on ?
and FYI - they got 1 line of 50 cent's rap from Monster in which he says "the king has risen" and mixed that up with Threatened Rod Sterling rap/ spoken part for Immortal. It's there on the CD. It used to be there on the live show.
so when Stella said "snippets of monster is removed" the first thing that came to my mind is the 50 cent one line rap that was in the mix. Apparently there's an "aow" and a "ha!" as well. Total of 5 seconds or so in an overall 70 to 90 minute show.
And as I said initially during the rehearsals there was around 20 seconds of Monster mixed with Threatened which was removed even before the show started its run. The only thing left was one line from 50 Cent rap verse which apparently now removed as well with multiple other songs and changes to other acts.
well..i'd hide monster behind threatened in rehearsals too. lol. if i'm going to use monster at all. which i wouldn't. so in summary, i was initially reacting to someone eles's post, which only was regarding 'monster'. any aspect of that song being removed. then you got involved..and..well..lol
it doesn't change the fact that you didn't even know what was included or how long was it or that it wasn't even any of the Cascio vocals. You didn't even know what they removed before or that it was common knowledge that the changes will happen to the show.
like I said - priceless.
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Let me guess, you didn't even buy or even paid attention to the Immortal CD right? It was and still is on there and Eddie / Porte is still credited on Immortal CD. So what is the point and what are you winning exactly? They have it on the original CD which Eddie etc is getting royalties, they performed it at 213 shows across USA, Canada and Mexico and now it seems they removed the legit 50 cent rap and an "aow" and a "ha" from the remaining 55 shows in Europe. I'll ask it again what is the point and what are you winning?
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if they don't have a problem with the song, why make any changes to it? as far as hurting my feelings, you can't respond to the post about counterfeit. i mean, you can, but it wouldn't top it. and you can't hurt my feelings on that subject, therefore. and as far as leaving for any other reason...that won't hurt either.
as far as whatever royalties the cascios are making....'good' for them..as little as those royalties are. i'm very sorry that you can't see the travesty of 'living' like that, in the music industry. it truly gives the industry a bad name, and the industry already has its pitfalls as it is.
if i have to make a living doing something, i'd rather be on welfare, with dignity, than be the cascios. i wonder where the cascios would be without Michael Jackson?
it's really sad that there are people out there who chose to use Michael like this.
i don't mind saying, i have frustration that spills over...and even when i'm tired of posting here..the frustration keeps me posting.
truthfully, i hate that i'm posting here. i don't wish harm on any family. i don't wish there were no cascios, personally speaking. but, professionally speaking, i wish they didn't exist in this music industry.
That said...like i said before, in a twisted way, it's just another compliment to Michael's greatness.
still, the cascios 'success' will be short lived. nothing good comes of this kind of 'making a living'. it's also unfortunate that you won't admit that.
my guess is that you don't have a copy of the song 'money'. and if you do, why? your posts don't reflect belief in that song.
Yeah, the cascios results from their shannigans don't compare to the success of Michael, himself. that's the ultimate point.
really..it doesn't matter how much talent you have. the question is, which mode of living do you prefer...Michael's or the cascios?
something good is Always gained from dignity, professionally, no matter how much talent you have or don't have.
something ultimately bad is Always gained from the lack of dignity, professionally, no matter how much talent you have or don't have.
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As far as ad-libs, Michael would often sing them while doing the lead vocal take. The background vocals and harmonies would come first (which are suspiciously absent from all Cascio tracks). He would sing every harmony part stacking his own voice on top of itself over and over, then he would sing the lead part over that. That is theusual way Michael recorded vocals during his career.
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Anybody with any excuses for this? Why did MJ not record in his usual fashion for all 12 Cascio tracks? The background vocals are quite obviously not MJ stacked on top of himself over and over again as he usually did. There have been a lot excuses for the seemingly endless suspicious things to do with these tracks. And why? Because Eddie says it's Michael. At some point you must have to think to yourself "Hmm... there are a few too many red flags here. Maybe I should at least question the single bit of evidence given that it is Michael on these songs. The word of Eddie Cascio, who's character I really know nothing about."
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But the songs do feature the same sort of background vocals. It just isn't Michael. The point is that Michael would almost always record those parts first and then sing his lead part. Often in the early stages of a songs life, the background and chorus vocals were the only part finished and fleshed out, while the verse lyrics remained incomplete. Why did this not occur for a single Cascio song? It's not like this was a difficult process for Michael. He could stack harmonies perfectly pitched and lined up faster than anyone. Everyone who's worked with him has commented on it. Of course, I know the answer, I'm just trying to make people see that there are a lot of unusual things with these songs even outside of the lead vocals. A lot of red flags.
Nobody?
Really, this doesn't even have to be any more difficult than this...
Does the Cascio lead vocalist sound exactly like the voice singing the 2nd verse of WBSS 2008? Because he should sound exactly like him. Does he? Simple yes or no.
Does he sound closer to this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOwsfKZunvA or this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrB0ditWv4Y ? Honestly.
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it doesn't matter how much obvious evidence you present. it's never going to be enough for the believers. it's like a 'well' crafted counterfeit currency there are people that still get away with using it, despite evidence that it's not real currency. when someone says they believe something, there's no changing their statement. but nothing on earth will change the fact that original is original and evident, and counterfeit is counterfeit, and is evident.
makes me laugh thinking about something sort of off topic that i heard about. Androids to have sex with. lol. like that really is going to replace the real thing. lol. of course there are people who believe that it could work out, but i guess we may see how they really feel, one day. point is, evidence isn't always really the issue..especially if it's considered harmless by some.
it's really easy for me. never do anything while Michael is dead, that you wouldn't do if Michael was alive. It really hurts for me to hear myself saying that. Really..but as much as it hurts, it's the only way i can make my point. It's like the old saying...don't do anything you wouldn't do in front of your own grandmother, if you love her.
The cascios were cowards. I didn't see anything like this happen while Michael was here.
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Sure, anyway I admit that was funny not better than techno chicken though.
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Mee too.
They must pay sooner or later. Eddie, Frank, James Porte, Jason and the rest who supported this lie (Friedman, DiLeo, etc...).
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That's a good thing
Honestly, I didn't even notice it in the show, it might as well not have even been included, it's so not noticeable. Too busy paying attention to how awesome TDCAU was
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Just read all (well, a lot of them) statements made about the voice and the tracks on this Twitter-page:
https://twitter.com/CascioFiasco
And when you read them one after another and add them all up, it's not just red flags anymore. It goes beyond that.
https://twitter.com/CascioFiasco
And when you read them one after another and add them all up, it's not just red flags anymore. It goes beyond that.
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There is so much in those quotes that raises red flags. And so much more to come. I wonder why Jason went on vacation on his own for three weeks just before they registered the versions of the songs that were sold to Sony? I'm sure it's just yet another coincidence.