Michael - The Great Album Debate

What do you see here in this picture?

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WOW WOW WOW! Thank you Bumper for posting that video. I didn't see the Nicholas Brothers; they were also very talented dancers. We can't forget Bob Fosse either. Just incredible to see all those people who were influences for Michael. (sorry didn't mean to get off topic)
 
I'll give further explanations later, and maybe some other questions ;)

Reading your questions now. Thank you for posting.

I will have to say that I honestly don't know what to believe because I do not know Michael's voice as well as some people here. With that said I am starting to question the vocals on the songs mentioned. It just that when I take on an opinion on something I have to absolutely feel and know in my heart that what I believe is true. I would like to do the comparisons of Michael's vocal tracks and the songs. I do sense that the vocals on the songs are not as crisp and clean in terms of the tonality as Michael's are in his recordings. So I will continue to read, absorb and discern the information put forth here in MJJC. Thank you all for contributing to these discussions. It is always a great learning experience when I read what people have to say.
 
If he was really at the recording of KYHU...what would that mean.

probably not much

first of all he'll need to be able to collaborate his story by at least some of the other fans coming forward and backing it up as well. Most probably they would be able to establish that they were in NJ and not that they were there during recording. So unless they have an audio or video, I don't think it would make any difference in the big picture of events. It would be just like another person(s) saying the songs or at least KYHU are legit and others not agreeing with it.

If (and probably not gonna happen) they have any video/audio - BJ said he didn't record it - it would have been significant. But like I said without an audio/video, just based on their word probably it won't make a difference.
 
probably not much

first of all he'll need to be able to collaborate his story by at least some of the other fans coming forward and backing it up as well. Most probably they would be able to establish that they were in NJ and not that they were there during recording. So unless they have an audio or video, I don't think it would make any difference in the big picture of events. It would be just like another person(s) saying the songs or at least KYHU are legit and others not agreeing with it.

If (and probably not gonna happen) they have any video/audio - BJ said he didn't record it - it would have been significant. But like I said without an audio/video, just based on their word probably it won't make a difference.


Agreed with this.

First, I'm trying to understand how he's so sure Michael was recording KYHU. How? Was he in the studio? Was he near the studio? Was he invited to the house? If the Cascio residence is a typical house of upper-middle class neighbouhood in Northern Jersey, then it most likely is surrounded by front and back yards. If the fan just camped outside of the house, how could he hear any vocals from basement of the house? Michael wasn't signing in a block party. He's supposed to be recording in a basement. Even if the basement was not sound proof, could the sound travel that far?

At this stage of the controversy, I'm afraid people's words aren't sufficient to convince anyone. He needs to back up his claim by not just words, but some concrete evidence.
 
Please all of those who read (doubters and believers) tell me what you see:

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I can make it spin the direction I want it to.
I'll give you the answer later. But I'd really would like to have some answers from the believers too.

Another question. Do you see anything here or nothing at all? Please answer only by "yes I see a picture" or "no I don't see a picture" and please do not explain what you see. So just a yes or no answer. Thanks :)

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Yes, I see a picture with lots of stuff in it.



What do you see here in this picture?

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A frog and a horse face
 
Agreed with this.

yay :) I'm realistic in this regard despite of my opinion on the songs. As I said yesterday even I need more than one person saying it.

First, I'm trying to understand how he's so sure Michael was recording KYHU. How? Was he in the studio? Was he near the studio? Was he invited to the house? If the Cascio residence is a typical house of upper-middle class neighbouhood in Northern Jersey, then it most likely is surrounded by front and back yards. If the fan just camped outside of the house, how could he hear any vocals from basement of the house? Michael wasn't signing in a block party. He's supposed to be recording in a basement. Even if the basement was not sound proof, could the sound travel that far?

I think last night he said that they were briefly in the house/studio.

At this stage of the controversy, I'm afraid people's words aren't sufficient to convince anyone. He needs to back up his claim by not just words, but some concrete evidence.

I agree, however also some people more credible than the others. As I said in my mind it's totally possible that follower fans were in NJ , they follow him around. They can most probably prove that they were in NJ as well because they tend to document their trips. But in the house/ studio during recording, that's a though one.

We'll see I guess. Currently it's a unconfirmed story in my book.
 
Just show us the studio session videos and demos of Cascios. That's all I think I would need to change my mind about this.
 
yay :) I'm realistic in this regard despite of my opinion on the songs. As I said yesterday even I need more than one person saying it.



I think last night he said that they were briefly in the house/studio.



I agree, however also some people more credible than the others. As I said in my mind it's totally possible that follower fans were in NJ , they follow him around. They can most probably prove that they were in NJ as well because they tend to document their trips. But in the house/ studio during recording, that's a though one.

We'll see I guess. Currently it's a unconfirmed story in my book.

Exactly! It's totally believable that the fans were following Michael around and that they were in NJ when Michael stayed with the Cascios. But, I'm just thinking in my mind that whether it makes sense for this group of fans to be invited in the house/studio. Bear in mind, the house is a private residence, not a hotel. I know Michael was very trusting. But, would the Cascios feel comfortable to let strangers inside their house - their primary residence? Also, would Michael be comfortable enough to let fans be present in his recordings? So, Michael was not comfortable enough to be filmed, yet he's okay with fans being physcially there in the studio? It's indeed tough to convince people that.

Well... I'm not saying it's impossible. But, without more solid details, it's just another unconfirmed story circulating on twitter, like Ivy said.
 
that guy at 3:14 is just--what the EFFFF he's amazing. that's one of the best moves i've ever seen. how is he doing that on top of a piano(or whatever that is)? i'm blown away. is that a trick?

He's sliding with his feet giving the impression that the surface is rotating. It's the origins of the moonwalk.
 
Please all of those who read (doubters and believers) tell me what you see:

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She's spinning clock-wise (to the right)?

I'll give you the answer later. But I'd really would like to have some answers from the believers too.

Another question. Do you see anything here or nothing at all? Please answer only by "yes I see a picture" or "no I don't see a picture" and please do not explain what you see. So just a yes or no answer. Thanks :)

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Yes, I see a picture.

What do you see here in this picture?

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First impression frog, but I saw Pentum's answer and now I see the horse too. Didn't see the horse after studying it.
 
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Now I have a nicemind blowing trick. Are you with me? :D

Please follow my instruction you'll be amazed.
 
that guy at 3:14 is just--what the EFFFF he's amazing. that's one of the best moves i've ever seen. how is he doing that on top of a piano(or whatever that is)? i'm blown away. is that a trick?
I dunno why these moves in that video blows my mind more than the moves we see today. There's just something about the old times
 
He's sliding with his feet giving the impression that the surface is rotating. It's the origins of the moonwalk.

well ya, but DAMN he's doing it well. that is one super-impressive move he's pulling off . . . really cool video btw. and the spinning lady: i can only get her to spin clockwise.
 
Could this be considered an iilusion. It makees my mind think maybe it could be Michael :scratch:
My mind thinks it sounds more like Michael when I see the visual .. Im being serious.
That's the experience I had .. and it made me think of the tests in here.

 
Could this be considered an iilusion. It makees my mind think maybe it could be Michael :scratch:
My mind thinks it sounds more like Michael when I see the visual .. Im being serious.
That's the experience I had .. and it made me think of the tests in here.

Nope, doesn't work on me.

In fact, all I can see when I see this, is pictures and videos inside my head of Jason actually recording this. Yes, I'm serious...
 
Could this be considered an iilusion. It makees my mind think maybe it could be Michael :scratch:
My mind thinks it sounds more like Michael when I see the visual .. Im being serious.
That's the experience I had .. and it made me think of the tests in here.


My tests show that our brain compares things relentlessly and sometimes tricks us. So without comparing the Cascio voice vs MJ vs JM, there are higher chances of being tricked. Once you put them side aside with closed eyes it should be clearer.

Ready for the next test? :) Brace yourself :D
 
Follow my instruction religiously:

Stare at the red dot in the middle of the drawing, don't look anywhere else, just stare for minimum 10 seconds:

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^^^The bright colors have left an impression on the retina and then brain. The weakened colors are the impression what's still left in our brain, or something?

And about the person who says he was there when Michael recorded KYHU: That still doesn't mean it's Michael we hear on the album version.
 
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