Latest on MJJC

Michael - The Great Album Debate

StellaJackson said:
You can't link to individual registrations, which is why those links don't work but yeah that is interesting. There is a song called Stay that was recorded with Bryan Loren during the Dangerous sessions that has no relation. There is a song title of Monster from the late nineties which also has no relation and based on the copyright filings, we can see that Michael did work on another song called Water, also known as H20 that is unconnected to the Cascio one. Of course, it should be obvious why there is a Cascio track called Water.

I doubt that Cascio, Porte, Cupeta even knew those other titles existed.

Also, notice how Brad Buxer was able to register individual song titles, yet Cascio couldn't do this until almost a year after Michael died. Another red flag.
Click to expand...

Joe Vogel talked about that other version of Monster. He probably heard it.

https://twitter.com/#!/JoeVogel1/status/123529552675868672
 
Arklove said:
I almost forgot about that naughty smiley ;)
Click to expand...

:naughty: :naughty:


Pentum said:
BUMPER , when you mention the Cascio songs ripping of MJ's earlier work, you always forget that Stay rips of Childhood during its intro!!!
utropstegn.jpg
Click to expand...

Oh there are so many rip-offs that I just grab what first comes to my mind:

TDCAU, YANA, Ghosts, Threatened, Earth Song, Heaven Can Wait, YRMW, On The Line, ...just incredible how many there are.
 
Michael Jackson, according to the Cascio family, used to knock sometimes on their door in the middle of the night.

I am not accusing Michael of anything here, he surely felt lonely, but for a split of second just imagine that the Cascio children had to go to school and were sleeping. Imagine Dominic and Connie Cascio being tired of their day or simply in their room for some privacy. And all of sudden, at any time of the day or night someone knocks on their door...

...it is Michael Jackson! The reaction is most probably: Yay! (or if it was a routine, probably "Oh, not again!")

...it is someone else, a lonely guy, maybe a neighbor, or a friend, but who is not a celebrity. What would have been their reaction?

I am not questioning their friendship to MJ when he was alive, but I am wondering whether they'd have the same relationship with another friend of theirs or with a neighbor who'd do the same as MJ? Wasn't there some kind of interest anyway behind all this relationship?

Can you imagine some random guy knocking in the middle of the night, waking up their children eating with them, sleeping with them, etc.? I think they'd show him the way to the door in a heartbeat.

Now; of course MJ was not some random guy. He was a huge celebrity. Having been close to MJ, Michael might have probably had some musical ideas. Michael most probably might have hummed some melodies or even, why not, talked about them to Eddie. But, unfortunately Michael never had the time to record them in his own studio.

First question that arises is why would MJ waste his time with his creativity in an underground amateurish studio when he could have recorded it in his own studio or even rented one?

Second question, if he wanted to do Eddie a favor, why not taking Eddie to a professional studio, record the songs and offer them to him?

Third question, how come MJ would spent some precious of his free time to record 12 songs in a matter of months, yet record close to nothing outside that amateurish underground studio?

Fourth question, what if Eddie had MJ's melodies and ideas but not MJ's voice to record them? All these years of friendship and wasted melodies or ideas? How about indeed the idea of wanting to make tribute songs for MJ and turned out to be so closely sung in a Michaelish voice that it managed to fool many people? I just can't believe there is no single trace from those recording sessions unless it was deliberately erased and destroyed.
 
Last edited:
Pentum said:
He's around here sometimes, tired of all of this.
Click to expand...
Ah, ok. I can understand that. Thanks.

Btw, I just read on someone's Twitter account that Teddy Riley is going to do a reality show: "Life of Riley".

Jermaine Harding ?
@lllksd That will be on it as well as the co-producers helping Teddy and the guys out with this album they getting some heavyweights in
In reply to KSD

16h Jermaine Harding ?
@lllksd Teddy got a crew to build a home studio in Atlanta for he, Chauncey, Dave, & Lenny so they can record the new album & bond
In reply to KSD

17h Jermaine Harding ?
@lllksd It's basically a documentarty type show I shuold say about he & his family and giving fans a inside look on Blackstreet's recording
In reply to KSD

17h Jermaine Harding ?
@lllksd Yeah it won't be like them stupid shows like Kardashians moreso about music & uplifting nothing crazy
In reply to KSD

17h Jermaine Harding ?
@lllksd Yep yep matter of fact Teddy's doin a reality show Life Of Riley it will feature he with his children & Blackstreet
 
Chamife said:
[/b]
No, and that's why 'we' have a lot of questions. And Bumper's questions are valid ones, IMO.

'We' certainly didn't learn to be silenced about something close to our hearts. 'We' want to talk about that and that's what this thread is for.



Maybe I'm wrong, but I DO feel you're adressing me again, whilst I thought that matter was explained to you. Are you adressing me again or am I getting paranoia here?
Click to expand...

You are not being paranoid. ;)
 
INTERMEZZO for everyone, I hope you'll all relax a bit:

[youtube]6h4f77T-LoM[/youtube]
 
Well, as far as I know, the original Latin saying goes like this: 'Mille viae ducunt homines per saecula Romam' which of course means the obvious 'A thousand roads lead men forever to Rome'.

Now, I don't speak Dutch but I'm pretty sure you said something like 'All roads lead to Rome' (yeah, not to hard to figure out) which as far as I'm concerned isn't the same thing.

"A thousand" doesn't equal "all"... if you ask me.

And yes, I know what the proverb is supposed to mean but I just have a problem with proverbs, not sure why. They're all too 'general' for my liking. If that makes any sense...
 
Last edited:
Thread cleaned please stay on topic. Discuss the topic not each other please

Thanks for your cooperation
 
Am I the only one who thinks Michael sounds sort of younger in the 08 version? It's obvious that he is trying out a new style on the vers (no, seriously), yet he sounds younger. It's almost like Michael first sounded young, then got mature, then started to sound younger in a different way (where am I going with this :S)

Check out: http://soundcloud.com/pentummj/you-love-to-pretend-that-youre
 
Pentum said:
Am I the only one who thinks Michael sounds sort of younger in the 08 version? It's obvious that he is trying out a new style on the vers (no, seriously), yet he sounds younger. It's almost like Michael first sounded young, then got mature, then started to sound younger in a different way (where am I going with this :S)

Check out: http://soundcloud.com/pentummj/you-love-to-pretend-that-youre
Click to expand...
To me he sounds younger in the Thriller version. Nevertheless, I do think that he sounded younger on some of his final recordings than he had in years (on Hold My Hand, for instance). It sounded like his voice was in tremendous shape - which is one of the reasons that it annoys me so much when people explain the voice on the Cascio tracks by saying something like: "do remember that this is a 47 year old MJ, of course he is not going to sound as good as he did when he was 27."
 
^ TO ME, it sounds like Michael could sing "better" when he was younger, like he was less "limited" when it came to giving an performance behind the mic. This is very hard to explain. I'm NOT saying he sounds anything near bad in his later years, I'm just sayin his voice sounded a bit more "limited". On the other hand, I think his later years-voice sounds some what nicer. There's just something about that WBSS 08/HMH/BOJ voice that is breathtaking (hold on, his voice was ALWAYS breathtaking) !
 
Pentum said:
Am I the only one who thinks Michael sounds sort of younger in the 08 version? It's obvious that he is trying out a new style on the vers (no, seriously), yet he sounds younger. It's almost like Michael first sounded young, then got mature, then started to sound younger in a different way (where am I going with this :S)

Check out: http://soundcloud.com/pentummj/you-love-to-pretend-that-youre
Click to expand...

Question: Weren't the BG vocals recorded at the Cascios and they used a demo take for WBSS 2008?
 
Dorian said:
Question: Weren't the BG vocals recorded at the Cascios and they used a demo take for WBSS 2008?
Click to expand...
Well, in the credits on T25, it says only the BG vocals were recorded by Angelikson Productions, but I think that either includes MJ's vocals (along with his ah, yeah, ah, yeah) or he recorded it somewhere else. It says "remix recorded 11/07" but I assume that's Akon's take. Not sure, other people might know more about this than me,

BUT

MJ's vocals in it is NOT from Thriller era, it's def. from the recent years.
 
Pentum said:
Am I the only one who thinks Michael sounds sort of younger in the 08 version? It's obvious that he is trying out a new style on the vers (no, seriously), yet he sounds younger. It's almost like Michael first sounded young, then got mature, then started to sound younger in a different way (where am I going with this :S)

Check out: http://soundcloud.com/pentummj/you-love-to-pretend-that-youre
Click to expand...

I would not say younger, but I would say more interesting and clearer. I like Hold My Hand and WBSS 2008 vocals very much. Too bad we have so little material from that time. Thanks to will.i.am.
 
OnirMJ said:
I would not say younger, but I would say more interesting and clearer. I like Hold My Hand and WBSS 2008 vocals very much. Too bad we have so little material from that time. Thanks to will.i.am.
Click to expand...
Yes, it's very sad we only have so little. I can count them on my right hand, BOJ, WBSS08, HMH, TII reherasal. Missing anything?

Will.I.Am seriously needs to get his stuff released...


Edit: Now we got the adjectives "tremendous shape" and "interesting and clearer" for the voice!
 
Pentum said:
^ TO ME, it sounds like Michael could sing "better" when he was younger, like he was less "limited" when it came to giving an performance behind the mic. This is very hard to explain. I'm NOT saying he sounds anything near bad in his later years, I'm just sayin his voice sounded a bit more "limited". On the other hand, I think his later years-voice sounds some what nicer. There's just something about that WBSS 08/HMH/BOJ voice that is breathtaking (hold on, his voice was ALWAYS breathtaking) !
Click to expand...
Hmm, I guess that depends on what you think is 'better'. I do not think he could sing a song like "Baby Be Mine" in his later years in the same way that he did in 1982. At the same time, he was not able to sing in the gritty style that he used from Bad onwards in 1982.

I enjoy vocals from all eras. I love the youthful excuberance on songs like Baby Be Mine, but also the grittiness of his vocals on songs like Why You Wanna Trip On Me, or the more mature and experienced voice on ballads like like Stranger in Moscow.

I do think I know what you mean with the vocals for songs like Best of Joy and Hold My Hand, though I do not think I can really put it into words either. To me it sounds like MJ had somehow struck a balance: he sounded older and more mature on the one hand, yet at the same time had found a kind of ethereal youthfulness in his voice.
 
Pentum said:
Yes, it's very sad we only have so little. I can count them on my right hand, BOJ, WBSS08, HMH, TII reherasal. Missing anything?

Will.I.Am seriously needs to get his stuff released...


Edit: Now we got the adjectives "tremendous shape" and "interesting and clearer" for the voice!
Click to expand...

According to Joe Vogel parts of Hollywood Tonight were recorded in 2007. I asked him on twitter about HT vocals. I asked if the vocals were recorded in 1999 or 2007. He replied to me: "Both".
 
SoCav said:
Hmm, I guess that depends on what you think is 'better'. I do not think he could sing a song like "Baby Be Mine" in his later years in the same way that he did in 1982. At the same time, he was not able to sing in the gritty style that he used from Bad onwards in 1982.

I enjoy vocals from all eras. I love the youthful excuberance on songs like Baby Be Mine, but also the grittiness of his vocals on songs like Why You Wanna Trip On Me, or the more mature and experienced voice on ballads like like Stranger in Moscow.

I do think I know what you mean with the vocals for songs like Best of Joy and Hold My Hand, though I do not think I can really put it into words either. To me it sounds like MJ had somehow struck a balance: he sounded older and more mature on the one hand, yet at the same time had found a kind of ethereal youthfulness in his voice.
Click to expand...

You're pretty much on the same fence as me then. I also enjoy his vocals from all eras (however, I rarely listen to Jackson 5, when MJ was a kid).
OnirMJ said:
According to Joe Vogel parts of Hollywood Tonight were recorded in 2007. I asked him on twitter about HT vocals. I asked if the vocals were recorded in 1999 or 2007. He replied to me: "Both".
Click to expand...
Hmm, interesting. I've heard about that too, but the vocals used in the demo is from 1 take and that take is not from 2007 from what I know. So the 2007 vocals must be unheard then.

Kreen: At least try to sound like an MJ fan when writing on this board. It's disgusting how you write your post. You should also know that MJ could work with almost anyone if he wanted to. Most of the artist he ever worked with, would always afterwards go on on how amazing it was to be in studio with the KING.
 
Billyjeanplxiv said:
Which set of vocals were 2007 on HT?


EDIT: if unheard....why werent they used?
Click to expand...

I really don't know. I didn't ask Joe any further questions. But he told me that vocals are both from 1999 demo and 2007 session. To me he sounds more like 2007 than Invincible era on that song. But who knows..
 
Pentum said:
You're pretty much on the same fence as me then. I also enjoy his vocals from all eras (however, I rarely listen to Jackson 5, when MJ was a kid).
Click to expand...
I think he delivered some of his most soulful vocals as a kid. What a voice he had. Even the era where his voice was changing when he was a teenager has a certain magic of its own - I cannot imagine One Day In Your Life being sung in a different way.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top