Michael - The Great Album Debate

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I think the misunderstanding here is coming from legal and scientific being two different things (and that I'm sometimes explaining scientific process and sometimes giving legal info). Legal doesn't always have to be scientific.

Of course they ar two different things. But sicentific tests could be used in court to prove a case.

Best example will be police catching a suspect. They would interrogate him, ask for an alibi, ask for a DNA, check that alibi and run the DNA.

Now in this example DNA will be scientific part and the strongest evidence but the police wouldn't just sit down and depend on the DNA test, they would still investigate and still collaborate the evidence. And even DNA would be the scientific test it might not be perfect - follow the case of Amanda Knox ? She convicted of murder based on DNA but now argues that the DNA test was contaminated. As you can see just because a test is scientific it doesn't make it perfect or enough on its own. You'll need another collaborating evidence.

As we can see from this example everything done from legal perspective doesn't need to be scientific, non-scientific actions can be also done to satisfy "doing everything possible" for due diligence concept.

You seem to be satisfied with scientific proofs only when it suits you.

When audiologists say it is Michael, you follow their opinion saying that it is enough to convince you. But be it in court or not, your example of the suspect points it out that scientific procedures are not enough to have evidence unless you have other proofs which could corroborate the scientific results. In the Cascio case you seem to be satisfied by the simple verbal corroboration from Jason's side "we have nothing to do with it", but when Michael's mother says it is not him, you do'nttake her for a word..

So "a reasonable human being" cannot argue in a court of law that doing a scientific test is the "everything" that they could have done to investigate the issue at hand.

I wrote that "doing everything" is a high standard and saying "well we had a scientific test done and I thought that was enough" wouldn't cut it.

For me, doing everything includes more than a simple verbal contact. This is not serious! You have vocals that are litterally screaming Jason all over the songs and all they did to prevent fraud was asking Jason if he was involved?

By the way, you still haven't answer my question, why even bother asking Jason if he was involved after having "overwhelming proof" that it is Michael on those vocals? It is simply unbelievable that they did it to clear their legal conscience.

In other words, if you paid 250 million dollars for songs and the songs were questioned, would you really be reliefed if someone simply said to you "no it wasn't me" without rather double checking what the person says to you?

So on top of contacting that person, wouldn't you also do all possible tests in order to say "look, I did everything I could" before releasing the tracks?

Imagine another scenario. Imagine that the tests match both vocals, Michael's and Jason's (which wouldn't be impossible actually). Don't you think that the company could easily get away from justice simply with the fact that Jason denied his involvement? Don't you think that the company (or whoever responsible) would try to get back the invested money otherwise than through long, costly and painful legal investigations and court rulings?

This latter scenario brings us back to what I said from the beginning, they did everything they could to legally do whatever they want --including releasing the three tracks.

Look to estate statement - one estate expert report , one sony estate report (not one but two separate independent testing), asking people that worked with Michael previously for educated opinions (do that regardless of a scientific research) and contact the person who claimed to be faking the vocals.

If the software matched both Michael's and Malachi's vocals, then people could be fooled too. They would never admit anyway to have been fooled, it would question their authority on all other future projects. Well, again, I am suggesting to publish the results and to do vocal comparisons with some of Malachi's songs such as "Let me let go".

So if -when they go to court they can say "look judge we did one scientific test, we verified it with a second independent test, we contacted people Michael worked with and knew his voice we asked their educated opinions, we even contacted the person who was alleged to be on the vocals and as you can see we did everything that we can do they all said Michael"

That's satisfying due diligence.

That's what I call a perfect crime! Legally get away with questioned tracks.

And besides, they did not do everything they could and they did not take into account people who knew Michael in his life and who claim that it is not Michael on those tracks. Doing one scientific test and repeat the same scientific test does not imply that they did the same with Jason's vocals.

Now in all honesty, don't you think with your own ears that the Jason's vocals on "let me let go" could match those in the song "Monster"?

I also suppose that the judge would call Michael's mother, children, and other people who also knew him and aske hem their opinion.

Ultimately the judge, after seeing the difference of opinion, would most probably ask to compare Jason's vocals to those on the cascio tracks --leading to the conclusion again that they did not do everything they could to prevent the fraud. They half-did it. Just like the album, they half-di it.Just like the promotion, they half-did it.

 

[Kapital77]

We and many fans, Mj family, childrens, producers, musicians, etc... know it´s not MJ´s vocals.

We know it´s Malachi´s voice.

The truth will be known sooner or later, but we already know what happened with those ugly songs that MJ never wrote.

Right now the important thing it´s to know what the family will do on court or if they will claim to the judge about the bad job of the Estate.

 

[samhabib]

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What motive does the Estate have? Keep in mind that half of those that are in charge of the Estate, fought to keep the Cascio tracks off the album. Therefore, the Estate having a motive is thrown out the window, explain to me what motive The Cascio's may have? Don't say "to get his name out there by working with Michael", Angelikson productions had already made a name for itself with the work from the Thriller 25 album. So what exactly are they lying for?

Whereas one can argue, doesn't make it true, but one can argue that The Jacksons are solely against it because of the reality that they had no creative input into the album, other than Jackie, reportedly. Who for some odd reason, hasn't said anything. When you think about it, who's the real sellout? The Cascio's? Or those who know something is wrong but won't do anything about it for the sake of a paycheck that comes at the end of an annual year.

You should ask this person what they think on the matter. Because this person seems to have a completely different take on events as yours:

For one, don't type to me as if I'm some child, two, don't type to me as if I came out and said "these songs are fake" because I haven't. Thirdly, all the Cascio's said were that Michael is on the songs, yet they haven't offered any proof, same with Sony and the Estate, but people are just supposed to believe them? Do you know what that means? That means everyone should've just believed the Avizo's and the case shouldn't have went to court and Michael should have just been thrown into a federal prison, despite any proof to prove he did anything. Life doesn't quite work that way, also Teddy has never given a definitive answer, like I said before his exact words were something along the lines of, "I was given the vocals, and I did to them what I would do to every other song". He also said to fans "follow your heart", and from the previews of the Dec. 6th Oprah interview, that's the same thing the Cascio's said.


There is no conspiracy, people just don't hear Michael in these songs, their opinions have plenty of merit when Michael's own nephews are saying "some of those songs, some of them aren't my uncle". There's plenty of merit when compared to the natural vocals of another singer, these digitally altered vocals on Monster sound almost identical. There's plenty of merit when these songs were never named by Michael himself in court depositions, there's also plenty of merit when these songs weren't apart of Michael's vault but were their own separate entity until the date of June 27th, 2009.


We aren't idiots, and you should stop treating us as so. Like I said, there is 0% of proof to support either side so far, and no matter how much you want to believe so, your opinion is NOT a fact, so no one should have to just take your word for it, and when they disagree, they shouldn't be called simple minded or insane. Respect one's opinion and viewpoint, you can argue it without coming off as rude, disrespectful and pompous. And again, if you find that that's impossible to do, then maybe you should just refrain from commenting at all.

My... how things change...

 

[mjjesamor]

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Round of applause!
Really all this 'legal/scientific' waffle back and forth is pointless. Might as well be doubledutch! All one needs to do is listen honestly to the tracks and follow one's instinct and it will tell u loud and clear that these tracks are not michael. It's worthwhile taking a trip down memory lane to that first listen of breaking news. The overwhelming majority said THAT IS NOT MJ!!! I thought it had to be some sort of twisted publicity stunt. Sadly it was not. The nightmare continues and the hardest part is that most people don't give a damn and that is why they have got away with it.
The proof is in the pudding.

 

[kreen]

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@samhabib i literally laugh out loud every time i ready your reaction to someone thinking that the acapella version of BN is michael. "YOU THINK THAT'S MICHAEL JACKSON?!"

HAHA, i feel exactly the same. i cannot even fathom in any way, on any planet, under any circumstances, how anybody could think that BN accappella sounds like michael.

If BN didn't sound like MJ, there would be no hoax, because the tracks wouldn't be on the album. So, if you believe there was a hoax, then you MUST believe the Cascio tracks sound like MJ. Otherwise, you're contradicting yourself.

 

[Jesta]

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@samhabib, people can change their minds, it's not a terrible thing and Annie shouldn't be berated for it. It shows how she's thought about the situation and come to a conclusion which she's happy with and which she genuinely believes. So if you ever change your mind, should we call you on it? It's hardly fair.

 

[Arklove]

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@samhabib, people can change their minds, it's not a terrible thing and Annie shouldn't be berated for it. It shows how she's thought about the situation and come to a conclusion which she's happy with and which she genuinely believes. So if you ever change your mind, should we call you on it? It's hardly fair.

That's not the point, though. Who cares if someone changes their mind? It's their prerogative. A few of us have been labelled hypocrites in the midst of all of this as well.

However, all I ask is that if someone believed these songs were NOT MJ in the beginning, and clearly remember their feelings on the matter, and then change their mind about it, please REMEMBER what it felt like the first time they heard these songs. Were they shocked? Were they sick to their stomach? Were they crushed? These aren't things you easily forget - not for me anyways. At what point did they betray their instinct and gut feelings?

I mean no offense at all, but just remember what it felt like when they wonder why us 'non-believers' keep vehemently persisting this issue.

 

[love is magical]

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That's what I call a perfect crime! Legally get away with questioned tracks.

And besides, they did not do everything they could and they did not take into account people who knew Michael in his life and who claim that it is not Michael on those tracks. Doing one scientific test and repeat the same scientific test does not imply that they did the same with Jason's vocals.

Exactly! To me, what the Estate/Sony has done is CYA (cover your ass.) They have done enought to cover their basis legally. The so-called scientific analysis that they claimed they perform is not conclusive. I don't understand why some are taking those words so religiously.

There are people outside of Michael's family who voice their doubts over the vocals. Rodney Jerkins comes to mind. Why his opinions are not being considered?

Now in all honesty, don't you think with your own ears that the Jason's vocals on "let me let go" could match those in the song "Monster"?

I'd love to know the answer as well. I'm curious to see people's answers concluded by their own hearings, not other justifications like studio processing and other issues, etc....

 

[samhabib]

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@samhabib, people can change their minds, it's not a terrible thing and Annie shouldn't be berated for it. It shows how she's thought about the situation and come to a conclusion which she's happy with and which she genuinely believes. So if you ever change your mind, should we call you on it? It's hardly fair.

A. At no stage does Annie claim that she changed her mind.

B. She claims to be 'completely confident' that Michael is on these songs. Do those posts look like someone who is 'completely confident'?

C. She's been MORE than happy to throw out words such as 'hypocritical' etc. when talking with doubters. JUST LOOK AT THOSE POSTS! They look like they've been written by two different people!

Suddenly she remembered her 'studio' experience and remembered what Melodyne was capable of? Forgive me for not being sure which Annie to
believe.

She knows the vocalist doesn't sound like Michael Jackson. I want to know what made her change her mind to the degree that she was happy to accuse doubters of 'hypocrisy'.

So, it doesn't sound like Michael Jackson. But, because the sellers tell us it's Michael Jackson then it must be him? Righhhhhht...

 

[Arklove]

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Round of applause!
Really all this 'legal/scientific' waffle back and forth is pointless. Might as well be doubledutch! All one needs to do is listen honestly to the tracks and follow one's instinct and it will tell u loud and clear that these tracks are not michael. It's worthwhile taking a trip down memory lane to that first listen of breaking news. The overwhelming majority said THAT IS NOT MJ!!! I thought it had to be some sort of twisted publicity stunt. Sadly it was not. The nightmare continues and the hardest part is that most people don't give a damn and that is why they have got away with it.
The proof is in the pudding.

Completely agree....If science and legalities are needed to affirm to me it's Michael Jackson singing those songs - there's a problem. I guess I don't need my ears after all.

 

[Pentum]

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URGH, a longer Michael commercial just played on my TV. Started with HMH, then BTM (yay), then KYHU. I was expecting HT, but WTF. I almost puked. How dare they.

 

[love is magical]

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Honestly as far as I can see any attempt to try to change anyone's opinion is futile. I asked this question before and let's think about it
- if they showed hand written lyrics would it change your opinion ? or will you say "yes he perhaps wrote the songs but didn't sing it"
- if they showed pictures would it change your opinion? or say that "we already knew he was in the studio but he didn't sing them"
- work tapes? "yes he thought about them but didn't sing them"

and how about the results? for a moment assume that they released them and it indeed show a perfectly scientific test that showed the vocals to be Michaels? will you believe it? or will you say that they didn't account for Jason or that the experts were paid etc?

so in short would it really make a difference?

So far, many of us haven't changed our minds because there is no concrete evidence being offered to us. To some, that ambiguous statement from the Estate is sufficient. But, for me, that doesn't do anything to "proof" the vocals are Michael's.

To answer your questions. If they show written lyrics, pictures and work tapes, I'd definitely consider all the information released.

A written lyrics may not prove he recorded the song, but at least it shows his creative input. Pictures and/or video shows he's in the Cascio studio recording. And, work tapes of him singing the songs would seal the deal for me.

If all these supports that vouch Michael's involvements are released or leaked, it'd be difficult for me not to change my mind. I'd swallow my pride and admit I was wrong. I would accept that Michael Jackson sounded horrible in those few months in 2007 and he finally had bad songs in his 40-year career.

But, the alarming fact is, none of the above has been released or leaked. NONE. Many here have mentioned that the Oprah show was a perfect platform for Teddy and Eddie to clear things up. But, they didn't. All they did is to say "Yes, Michael sang the songs." Yeah... their confirmations are truly convincing.

Let's go back to the music itself for a moment. Per Sam's question, can anyone find a Michael Jackson recording in which he sounded like the voice in the Cascios tracks? Not the child prodigy, not the consumated vocalist, but the amaterish singer. Seriously? Anyone?

 

[shades]

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Completely agree....If science and legalities are needed to affirm to me it's Michael Jackson singing those songs - there's a problem. I guess I don't need my ears after all.

But that's the point isn't it: if there was a full agreement on this board, we wouldn't have this argument, would we? More than 50% on this board do believe it is Michael! So if there isn't full agreement, it means that "using your ears" and/or simply "not hearing" Michael is not enough...

It seems that those who don't believe it is Michael keeps returning to the same argument "that they *hear* it's not Michael" and that others who do hear Michael are either a) deaf, b) unknowing or c) deluding themselves from the "truth" - whatever this might be.

If hearing was enough we wouldn't be on page 1113 (or something) on this forum...

 

[shades]

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A. At no stage does Annie claim that she changed her mind.

B. She claims to be 'completely confident' that Michael is on these songs. Do those posts look like someone who is 'completely confident'?

C. She's been MORE than happy to throw out words such as 'hypocritical' etc. when talking with doubters. JUST LOOK AT THOSE POSTS! They look like they've been written by two different people!

Suddenly she remembered her 'studio' experience and remembered what Melodyne was capable of? Forgive me for not being sure which Annie to
believe.

She knows the vocalist doesn't sound like Michael Jackson. I want to know what made her change her mind to the degree that she was happy to accuse doubters of 'hypocrisy'.

So, it doesn't sound like Michael Jackson. But, because the sellers tell us it's Michael Jackson then it must be him? Righhhhhht...

This is getting too personal in my opinion...

 

[Arklove]

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"using your ears" and/or simply "not hearing" Michael is not enough...

....it's enough for me....

How can an ambiguous statement from the Estate change what my ears hear? It doesn't...I'm just wondering how it's changed other's opinions/hearing/viewpoints. After the FIRST instinct, that FIRST 'WTF, this is NOT MJ!', a statement without proof is enough for 50% of the fans now? Ok....

It's no argument for me. I don't hear him.

 

[love is magical]

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But that's the point isn't it: if there was a full agreement on this board, we wouldn't have this argument, would we? More than 50% on this board do believe it is Michael! So if there isn't full agreement, it means that "using your ears" and/or simply "not hearing" Michael is not enough...

It seems that those who don't believe it is Michael keeps returning to the same argument "that they *hear* it's not Michael" and that others who do hear Michael are either a) deaf, b) unknowing or c) deluding themselves from the "truth" - whatever this might be.

If hearing was enough we wouldn't be on page 1113 (or something) on this forum...

May I ask where did you get that "more than 50%" data? Last time I checked the poll, only about one-third of the people who took the poll believed the vocals are Michael's. The rest either only hear Michael in parts or don't hear him at all.

 

[donalb]

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More than 50% on this board do believe it is Michael! QUOTE]


Based on the poll of poll results, only 40% of the voters believe it is Michael. The majority of the voters either believe (a) it is not Michael (b) maybe Michael in parts or (c) can not decide.

 

[love is magical]

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....it's enough for me....

But, your ears, my ears and ears of about half of the people who took the polls are polluted by words from Taryll.

We are brainwashed, don't you remember? :cheeky:

 

[Arklove]

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But, your ears, my ears and ears of about half of the people who took the polls are polluted by words from Taryll.

We are brainwashed, don't you remember? :cheeky:

Ah yes...How could I forget?

Seriously though, I mean, I TRIED to hear him..The very fact that I had to TRY so hard should be indication enough that something fucked up is on the go. I gave those songs more time than I feel they're worth. I didn't want to believe it wasn't him. I thought it was a PR stunt. That was my coping mechanism. I thought, 'this HAS to be a joke'...I bought the album, thinking that MAYBE the songs would miraculously showcase Michael in all his heavenly vocal glory. So, it's not as if I didn't give it a chance. Now, I regret buying the album as I've now supported what I believe to be fraud.

I wasted too much time TRYING to hear him. All I had to do was stick to my instincts and my ears. What else do I have to rely on? Even if I use all sense of logic in this situation, then I'm forced to abandon my own instincts AND what my ears tell me? I don't think so. Who else can I trust? Only myself.

 

[Jesta]

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Instincts... Aren't always correct. Drawing from personal experience, I thought "Alex/Susie" was a decent person, the perfect person at some point. She knew that, and played on that, often making me say and do stupid things because she manipulated me due to the image of her in my head. Then when I had to tell someone of it, she denied everything! My perception of her was shattered then, and I vowed to never forgive her.


The moral of that story is that our assumptions about things, about people are not always correct, despite how much you fight to keep that perception...

 

[Arklove]

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our assumptions about things, about people are not always correct, despite how much you fight to keep that perception...

Just think about this particular sentence...

 

[Jesta]

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I do think about that quite a bit. While I believe my ears on the subject of these tracks, as you do as well, I'm always wondering if I'm wrong, or if evidence will appear to shatter my beliefs. Since "Alex/Susie" I've always questioned everything at face-value, these songs are no exception. The one thing that makes me believe it's him is because it has that "fullness", a quality of experience in that voice, like it's been around for a while. I've heard Malachi, and he just sounds like a boy imitating a man. I don't get that impression with these tracks.

One thing though: that sentence works for both sides.

 

[analogue]

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Wasn't it Michael who said that you gotta feel the music? Yes it was and on the cascio tracks i'm just not feeling it

 

[donalb]

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After trying to keep an open mind and listening to these songs over and over, I have come to the conclusion that all 3 of these Cascio songs are FAKE.

Regarding KYHU: Although there are several "off" putting notes, the final breaking point for me comes near the end of the song when the singer sings the words "I need your love, I need you now, I need your light right here today, I need you now". The voice of the person who sings these lyrics does NOT belong to Michael Jackson.

Regarding Monster: Here again, many "off" putting notes throughout the song. For me, the most glaring example is the second verse. The voice of the person who sings "He's coming at ya, Coming at ya rather too fast, Mama say mama got you in a zig zag", does NOT belong to Michael Jackson.

Regarding Breaking News: The entire song is a mess.

When the controversy first erupted, I was very skeptical of the so-called 'doubters' despite my gut instinct that something was very wrong with these songs. I REALLY wanted to support these songs based on my love and respect for Michael Jackson and my selfish desire to see him back on top with the release of this new record. I can not tell you how devastating it is for me to come to the conclusion I have regarding these songs. I am angry, sad and very confused over how this situation has been allowed to get this far. It makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Arklove]

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Wasn't it Michael who said that you gotta feel the music? Yes it was and on the cascio tracks i'm just not feeling it

Yes he did say that...May not be logical for some people, but it sure as hell worked for Michael!

 

[love is magical]

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Ah yes...How could I forget?

Seriously though, I mean, I TRIED to hear him..The very fact that I had to TRY so hard should be indication enough that something fucked up is on the go. I gave those songs more time than I feel they're worth. I didn't want to believe it wasn't him. I thought it was a PR stunt. That was my coping mechanism. I thought, 'this HAS to be a joke'...I bought the album, thinking that MAYBE the songs would miraculously showcase Michael in all his heavenly vocal glory. So, it's not as if I didn't give it a chance. Now, I regret buying the album as I've now supported what I believe to be fraud.

I wasted too much time TRYING to hear him. All I had to do was stick to my instincts and my ears. What else do I have to rely on? Even if I use all sense of logic in this situation, then I'm forced to abandon my own instincts AND what my ears tell me? I don't think so. Who else can I trust? Only myself.

I hear you and totally understand you because we share the same emotion. :better:

I also hoped that Breaking News was just a PR stunt, no matter how ridiculous it sounds. I remember there was a day when the main page of michaeljackson.com was reverted to This Is It from Michael. I thought Sony was planning something, like removed the tracks or postponed the projects... I listened to the snippets on hmv.com before the official release. The clips did sound better, then I hoped the final mix on the album would sound like Michael miraculously.

And, I do regret buying the album. Although I cherish BOJ, BTM and MTS, I feel I enable Sony/the Estate to continue cheapening Michael. You know what I mean? Since this album is doing respectfully, Sony will continue using half ass songs in the future.

 

[Jesta]

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I want to ask a serious question here, and I pray it doesn't get ignored:

Do you all want to contact Eddie Cascio, the Estate and/or the people involved in the tracks? C'mon, we're the fans of the biggest entertainer of the world! I commend all of your dedication to this, but we really need to get somewhere because we're not really getting anywhere. Surely Gaz or any of the staff have the ability to directly contact the Estate, and I'm sure Eddie Cascio's residence is known by some people in our community. It's completely realistic to contact these people and actually ask for evidence. The family said it themselves that they have a warm-up tape of MJ (according to Dr. Freeze's interview seen elsewhere in the forum, an actual video of MJ singing would be very unlikely). If demand is big enough, we WILL be able to make a change, and get the evidence we all want to end this.

So what do you all say, is this worth a shot?

 

[love is magical]

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After trying to keep an open mind and listening to these songs over and over, I have come to the conclusion that all 3 of these Cascio songs are FAKE.

Regarding KYHU: Although there are several "off" putting notes, the final breaking point for me comes near the end of the song when the singer sings the words "I need your love, I need you now, I need your light right here today, I ned you now". The voice of the person who sings these lyrics does NOT belong to Michael Jackson.

Regarding Monster: Here again, many "off" putting notes throughout the song that are troubling. The most glaring example is the second verse. The voice of the person who sings "He's coming at ya, Coming at ya rather too fast, Mama say mama got you in a zig zag", does NOT belong to Michael Jackson.

Regarding Breaking News: The entire song is a mess.


When the controversy first erupted, I was very skeptical of the so-called 'doubters' despite my gut instinct that something was very wrong with these songs. I REALLY wanted to support these songs based on my love and respect for Michael Jackson and my selfish desire to see him back on top with the release of this new record. I can not tell you how devastating it is for me to come to the conclusion I have regarding these songs. I am angry, sad and very confused over how this situation has been allowed to get this far. It makes me sick to my stomach.

Same here. I have waited for this album for so long. Months and months of anticipations and discussions. I really want it to be good. All the fiascos and controversies are heartbreaking.

 

[mjjesamor]

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Jesta, I sincerely doubt that they have any evidence. If they had they would have shown it by now. Have you seen eddie on oprah? He was pathetic. He mumbled something about being there 'pushing the buttons' while mj was right there 'directing' and showed a photo of a home 'studio' that looked to me like a photo that had been set up to look as such but wasn't. So mj recorded a whole album there but eddie only has a photo of it empty!!! Lying through their teeth, him and teddy 'because you can hear the authenticity in the vocals' riley. Why were there no handwritten notes relating to cascio tracks on the album sleeve? The silence of those involved speaks volumes. If they are so innocent why don't they proclaim it? If they are proud of their work, why are they silent? They have no integrity. I hope they are ashamed right now. The only reason we haven't seen evidence is because it doesn't exist. I really believe that.
Also Gaz has made it clear where he stands on this. I don't think he'd have any interest in doing what you suggest. I would have liked if we could contact tony kurtis though. Unfortunately he seems to have done a disappearing act...

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Regarding Monster: Here again, many "off" putting notes throughout the song. For me, the most glaring example is the second verse. The voice of the person who sings "He's coming at ya, Coming at ya rather too fast, Mama say mama got you in a zig zag", does NOT belong to Michael Jackson.

"Mama say mama got you in a zig zag"? Why'd you have to bring that line up? *That sounds less like Michael Jackson and more like a big plate of wobbly jelly.

"Mama say mama got you in a zig zag"? Unbelievable!