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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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Detoxing. Read my posts. :p

Oh well, I've seen detox up-close like you have, too, and I've seen people go days where they don't feel the 'extreme' symptoms but still feel ill and experience shakiness.
 
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I'm sorry....that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard....lol...
 
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You're in denial, obviously.

To say that someone's voice sounding shaky and different from detoxing from 20 years of prescription abuse is the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard? Alright, that really shows me who I'm debating with.
 
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Well I take your opinion into consideration and don't say it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. :) That's not denial.

I'm trying to find out the truth. Your statements like "That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard", when I made a completely logical argument, proves that you are totally bias about this situation and unwilling to accept any realistic possibility that Michael may have indeed recorded these tracks.

By the way, that's what I said you're in denial about, too. If you think that my argument is the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard you MUST be in denial because I can give you 999999999999999999999999999999999999999 excuses that are more ridiculous.
 
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So you basically saying you think Michael sounded only like Michael in the last years when being drugged? :bugeyed
Wow, I'm shocked...must be hard to come up with such theories...only to "prove" for oneself that it's MJ singing....sad...
 
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He was intoxicated in 2009 for This Is It. Do you really think he died during the rehearsals, from drug overdose, because he was completely clean?

Therefore, do you think he was ALWAYS on drugs or do you think there was ever a time where he was clean? Hm? And do you think that period was ANY time in the period from, say, 2000-2009? Well, he was on drugs from 2002-2005 that we know of, and he was on drugs in 2009. So that means some time between 2006-2007 he could have gone through a detox. It's logical if you really think about it. Then you have the Cascio's saying that they never saw him using drugs or the signs of addiction. They may have seen a weaker and more sickly Michael, and they may not attributed it all to drug detox but also to all the struggling he'd gone through just a couple years earlier.


It could also explain why he didn't want to go into a more professional environment at the time, why he wasn't working with his typical producers, etc. If he was going through a detox he'd need to get away from that normal routine and go to a much more laid back place where he will have a good support system. The Cascio's look exactly that, to me.
 
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Aniram said:
He was intoxicated in 2009 for This Is It. Do you really think he died during the rehearsals, from drug overdose, because he was completely clean?

Therefore, do you think he was ALWAYS on drugs or do you think there was ever a time where he was clean? Hm? And do you think that period was ANY time in the period from, say, 2000-2009? Well, he was on drugs from 2002-2005 that we know of, and he was on drugs in 2009. So that means some time between 2006-2007 he could have gone through a detox. It's logical if you really think about it. Then you have the Cascio's saying that they never saw him using drugs or the signs of addiction. They may have seen a weaker and more sickly Michael, and they may not attributed it all to drug detox but also to all the struggling he'd gone through just a couple years earlier.


It could also explain why he didn't want to go into a more professional environment at the time, why he wasn't working with his typical producers, etc. If he was going through a detox he'd need to get away from that normal routine and go to a much more laid back place where he will have a good support system. The Cascio's look exactly that, to me.
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That was not my point. Not at all. Read my post (as you use to say). ;)

Whatever...all of these excuses (they are excuses for me) don't make any sense...and I don't like it when people assume things only to justify their theory...but well maybe one day the repertoire of excuses will be exhausted...
 
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I read your post. No, I'm not saying he sounded best in only his last years. Read my posts, please! I said he sounded fine in 1992, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005. All through the 90's(minus the laryngitis), late 80's. You obviously caught that because you read my posts!
 
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This drugs/detox thing is all but plausible when it comes to affecting someone's voice. There are plenty of singers either on drugs or on detox, they do not sound any different to what they usually sound.

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Yep sounds the same Whitney to me, before and after the drugs problems, even if she was on detox and older and singing LIVE!

So Lenny Kravitz can do it in the street, he still sounds himself -LIVE!.

Axl Rose after so many years sounds still himself (even if he was on drugs) -LIVE!

Whitneyt Houston sounds herself even if on detox -LIVE!

Now, Michael who had been singing for decades can't manage to sound himself in the studio with all the softwares available such as correctors of pitches, tones, notes, etc?

If it weren't sad I would have laughed to tears.
 
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Aniram said:
I read your post. No, I'm not saying he sounded best in only his last years. Read my posts, please! I said he sounded fine in 1992, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005. All through the 90's(minus the laryngitis), late 80's. You obviously caught that because you read my posts!
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I didn't use the word "best". I asked you if you think that he only sounded like himself when he was drugged. That's what you're saying: Michael didn't sound like Michael because he was going through a detoxification, i.e. he had no drugs in his system and this made his voice change. Right? That's what you wrote. So according to your theory, he was on drugs when he recorded "Hold my Hand"...
 
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Okay Bumper, but could you answer this question...

That live video of Whitney... She's detoxing at that moment? She's obviously well enough to perform on stage. I don't think Michael was doing that.

No, no, Justice_MJ, you misunderstand me. Michael could sound "best" without drugs. But the effects of detox are real. By the time he recorded Hold My Hand in late 2007 he could have been feeling much better and not on any medications. Usually the worst symptoms from detox can last 6 months or more.

You have to at least admit that Michael had to go through this and how hard it must have been for him to struggle with it.
 
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Michael Jackson must have been seriously handicapped to sound more like Malachi than himself according to the Cascio tracks defenders.
 
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Aniram said:
Okay Bumper, but could you answer this question...

That live video of Whitney... She's detoxing at that moment? She's obviously well enough to perform on stage. I don't think Michael was doing that.
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Haven't you seen how skinny she is on that video? Obviosuly she did it because she loved Michael! Nothing pushed her to come.

Look at her legs and arms, if you say that she's healthy then you try to watch the video with some magnifiers.
 
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I didn't watch the video. I wanted your answer to that question first so I had that explained before I watched.

Edit: It doesn't really prove anything to me, I guess, while my argument probably doesn't say anything to you. We don't know if she was off drugs when she performed that, we don't know how long she'd been off them, if she'd just simply lost weight and was much thinner at the time. I don't follow her career, I don't know.
 
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Aniram said:
I didn't watch the video. I wanted your answer to that question first so I had that explained before I watched.
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I answered already. According to your theory all detox singers would have had unrecognizable voices. Or maybe Malachi-syndrom voice, which means from the moment you are on detox you would automatically sound like Malachi. What kind of theory is that?

How about asking yourself this. If MJ's condition was so bad, why would he even bother recording 12!!!!!!!!!! songs with such a voice?
I mean when you know that your vocie is altered to the point that you don't sound yourself, you don't record a whjole album of songs for fun! You first recover then you get back to work and record songs.

Listen to what Michael said in his interview with Oprah, people wanted him always to sound as he sounded. And despite his change in voice, after all these years I really don't have impression that Michael searched to alter his voice purposedly on 12 songs!

Michael always sounded Michael. Never Malachi. But Malachi at times try to sound liek Michael, yes.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
How about asking yourself this. If MJ's condition was so bad, why would he even bother recording 12!!!!!!!!!! songs with such a voice?
I mean when you know that your vocie is altered to the point that you don't sound yourself, you don't record a whjole album of songs for fun! You first recover then you get back to work and record songs.
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That's exactly why I said it was ridiculous...Why would he record while not sounding like himself, while going through DETOX/withdrawals....maybe for one song (still a stretch, I'd say) but for 12???? I don't think so...
 
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Malachi's vibrato is better than the one demonstrated on the Cascio tracks, in my honest opinion.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I answered already. According to your theory all detox singers would have had unrecognizable voices. Or maybe Malachi-syndrom voice, which means from the moment you are on detox you would automatically sound like Malachi. What kind of theory is that?

How about asking yourself this. If MJ's condition was so bad, why would he even bother recording 12!!!!!!!!!! songs with such a voice?
I mean when you know that your vocie is altered to the point that you don't sound yourself, you don't record a whole album of songs for fun! You first recover then you get back to work and record songs.

Listen to what Michael said in his interview with Oprah, people wanted him always to sound as he sounded. And despite his change in voice, after all these years I really don't have impression that Michael searched to alter his voice purposedly on 12 songs!

Michael always sounded Michael. Never Malachi. But Malachi at times try to sound liek Michael, yes.
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Michale was also a human. When you and I have a cold, we would take a break and relax and try to get better. If Michael was really going thru detox and felt ill, why would he record in a studio? The first thing he needed to do was to take a break, which he did after the trial.

Even if music was flying in his mind, why wouldn't he want to finish off his much more worthy incomplete songs first? He wrote many songs himself and never got back to them.
 
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Actually, his condition improved by 2006. He was in Ireland and his doctor in Ireland said he did not notice any drug problem. He's well enough to have will.i.am flied to Ireland to work with him.
 
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That's true, love is magical, I've seen the video of his physician talking about that. However, he was given drugs by him during that time and all that doctor said was that he didn't prescribe him INSOMNIA medication, nothing about pain medication. Key note.

Also, yes, Michael was human, but like you just love to quote, however great we think Michael was, he was greater.

You know that he used to not sleep at night because he had to get up and do something, write something down, work on something, he was restless. Obviously most normal people would sleep through the night and they aren't always thinking about music.
 
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Aniram said:
That's true, love is magical, I've seen the video of his physician talking about that. However, he was given drugs by him during that time and all that doctor said was that he didn't prescribe him INSOMNIA medication, nothing about pain medication. Key note.

Also, yes, Michael was human, but like you just love to quote, however great we think Michael was, he was greater.

You know that he used to not sleep at night because he had to get up and do something, write something down, work on something, he was restless. Obviously most normal people would sleep through the night and they aren't always thinking about music.
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Yup. He's a human being with tremendous creativity.

But, I think we also need to keep in mind that he's expert musician and a master in studio. He grew up in Motown. He understood much more about studio recording than most people give him credit to.

Say, he did record in the Cascio studio. After hearing how he sounded, would he continue to record like that? Or, would he take a step back and ask "wait a minute. why i sounded like that? is there anything wrong?"
 
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Yes, that's a great point, but maybe he was tremendously dissatisfied with it? We don't know. If Michael were still alive they'd just be super rare demos right now. Don't you think there might be some other demos where Michael sounds a little funny or did he delete absolutely everything he didn't think sounded perfect?

Also, Eddie could have made a secret copy himself for 'safe-keeping' just as Michael did the same thing(illegally and dishonestly by the way) with Paul Anka and his' This Is It.
 
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Aniram said:
Yes, that's a great point, but maybe he was tremendously dissatisfied with it? We don't know. If Michael were still alive they'd just be super rare demos right now. Don't you think there might be some other demos where Michael sounds a little funny or did he delete absolutely everything he didn't think sounded perfect?

Also, Eddie could have made a secret copy himself for 'safe-keeping' just as Michael did the same thing with Paul Anka and his' This Is It.
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The saddest thing of this whole saga is that these super rare and funny demos, if they truly exist, find their ways to the first posthumous Michael Jackson album.

Some recordings should never see the light of day. These Cascio demos belong to that category.
 
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Well, that I can maybe agree with, but we're trying to find the truth about the authenticity not the truth about if they should have been put on or not. I think almost all of us can agree that they would have been better left off.
 
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I feel like I missed sth. Does Jason Malachi have new album "7even"? I remember that his last album was "critical". After the name of new album I think that Jason has got great promotion. All of us remember fake MJ album "7even" from 2007. Now Jason gave that name to his new album. In my opinion he is doing all things to still make controversy and promote his music in this way.And he must feel so proud that some MJ fans think he is singing on "Michael".

I have all information from Malachi myspace : http://www.myspace.com/jasonmalachimusic
 
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OK, that's just pitiful, using well-known controversy to promote yourself! Out of curiosity, was "7EVEN" even a planned MJ project?
 
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Jesta said:
OK, that's just pitiful, using well-known controversy to promote yourself! Out of curiosity, was "7EVEN" even a planned MJ project?
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There were some rumours that MJ was going to release an album called 7EVEN before the bootleg one came out.
 
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Now I am only waiting when Malachi will give us his new single called " Conspiracy" or "Hidden Truth" or just " Cascio Song".
 
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pushukrystian said:
Now I am only waiting when Malachi will give us his new single called " Conspiracy" or "Hidden Truth" or just " Cascio Song".
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Or "Heaven can wait till I water my plants"
 
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