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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I guess that communities of believers going to synagogues, churches, mosques and all the temples around the world are conspiracy theorists as they also can't prove anything.
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But religious beliefs have a social and ethical factor. All religions are based on historical traditions. Most religions are teaching that people are all the same in front of God / their creator.

Most people on this planet are Christians but is there an actual proof for their belief? Of course not. Many people also just belong to a religion but aren't practicing their customs.

And thanks to different religions people are even fighting against each other. Example: Middle East conflict.
Even the Christians have killed a lot of people during their crusades.
 
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No proof = conspiracy theory.

Those who claim to love MJ, are conspiracy theorists, they can't prove love. they can prove actions, but not the feeling "love", thus we're all conspiracy theorists. Since the guts don't count to prove anything, love doesn't exist, what is the proof?

But it doesn't matter anyway, I don't intend to debate so, I don't know why I am even writing this.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
No proof = conspiracy theory.

Those who claim to love MJ, are conspiracy theorists, they can't prove love. they can prove actions, but not the feeling "love", thus we're all conspiracy theorists. Since the guts don't count to prove anything, love doesn't exist, what is the proof?

But it doesn't matter anyway, I don't intend to debate so, I don't know why I am even writing this.
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Because you care :yes::yes:
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
No proof = conspiracy theory.

Those who claim to love MJ, are conspiracy theorists, they can't prove love. they can prove actions, but not the feeling "love", thus we're all conspiracy theorists. Since the guts don't count to prove anything, love doesn't exist, what is the proof?

But it doesn't matter anyway, I don't intend to debate so, I don't know why I am even writing this.
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You're picking at straws, bottom line is, we've all had months to present each other with "proofs" and facts that it's either Michael on these records or it's not. Before that this was going to be moved to this section, but Gaz held off on it, there still hasn't been any "proofs" or facts presented by either side for this situation. This was acknowledged and we even got a heads up that the thread was being moved because of such reasoning, it's been moved to where it belongs.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
this is untolerable coming from a staff of this board.
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I might be staff but not all my posts come as staff. I didn't write that as a warning and I'm not doing any moderation action whatsoever on this thread as you know. I wrote my opinion. Try to separate this.

I wrote that post based on a misunderstanding which was later corrected and which I later took it back. (see below for what "take back" means).

I also mentioned that it wasn't aimed at anybody on this thread and not even generalized to people on this board.

I have been a highly active member on this thread as well so it's obvious that my post wasn't aimed to people actively post on this thread - as I am one as well (duh).

That being said you cannot deny that on this forum , on other forums, on internet, on twitter etc there have been people that only post about this issue (you aren't one) and even attack / hate people solely based on their opinions on Cascio vocals (and yes I have received hate on that regards and no I'm not talking about you)

Months ago when album release was happening so close to Murray's prelim some claimed the release date was intentional so that it would take the attention from the trial. I didn't agree with that and I said "people are capable of multi tasking. I can listen to the album and at the same time follow the trial".

And honestly as a fan - not staff - I'm surprised and saddened to see that promise of fighting this till the end, getting the truth out, protecting Michael's legacy etc in the vocals issue and not about the criminal case. And you are right it's not going to bring Michael back but how about justice for Michael for his death?

So if the argument is that care cannot be necessarily determined by the posting, I'll agree. If the issue is with "don't care" part then I'll say I'm sorry if that offended anyone. (again check below for what "take it back" means and that I already acknowledged the error in that statement ). And I still wish that each one us could focus on other stuff (some far more important than the vocals).

Pronouncing the word "e-x-c-u-s-e" must be terribly difficult I presume.
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I presumed understanding "take it back" would have been easy and apparently I was wrong.

take it back : To retract (something stated or written).

retract: Withdraw (a statement or accusation) as untrue or unjustified

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And don't forget the voice of Jason Malachi.

Don't worry, many fans will continue to ask what happened with the strange voice on the MICHAEL album, the debate will never stop and new and old fans will ask in many sections of the forum, including the inmortal section.

The debate shoulded be taked seriously, because there are many fans fighting against t this fraud, including the Jackson family.
 
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Kapital77 said:
The debate shoulded be taked seriously, because there are many fans fighting against t this fraud, including the Jackson family.
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They don't seem that interested IMO....
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
You're picking at straws, bottom line is, we've all had months to present each other with "proofs" and facts that it's either Michael on these records or it's not. Before that this was going to be moved to this section, but Gaz held off on it, there still hasn't been any "proofs" or facts presented by either side for this situation. This was acknowledged and we even got a heads up that the thread was being moved because of such reasoning, it's been moved to where it belongs.
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Right, evidence:

UFO exists (picture officially taken by the national police in Belgium in the 1990s):

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Mickey Mouse exists, here is the evidence, Michael took a picture with him:


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And yeah, the Cascio tracks are genuine, here's the official proof:

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ivy said:
I might be staff but not all my posts come as staff. I didn't write that as a warning and I'm not doing any moderation action whatsoever on this thread as you know. I wrote my opinion. Try to separate this.

I wrote that post based on a misunderstanding which was later corrected and which I later took it back. (see below for what "take back" means).

I also mentioned that it wasn't aimed at anybody on this thread and not even generalized to people on this board.

I have been a highly active member on this thread as well so it's obvious that my post wasn't aimed to people actively post on this thread - as I am one as well (duh).

That being said you cannot deny that on this forum , on other forums, on internet, on twitter etc there have been people that only post about this issue (you aren't one) and even attack / hate people solely based on their opinions on Cascio vocals (and yes I have received hate on that regards and no I'm not talking about you)

Months ago when album release was happening so close to Murray's prelim some claimed the release date was intentional so that it would take the attention from the trial. I didn't agree with that and I said "people are capable of multi tasking. I can listen to the album and at the same time follow the trial".

And honestly as a fan - not staff - I'm surprised and saddened to see that promise of fighting this till the end, getting the truth out, protecting Michael's legacy etc in the vocals issue and not about the criminal case. And you are right it's not going to bring Michael back but how about justice for Michael for his death?

So if the argument is that care cannot be necessarily determined by the posting, I'll agree. If the issue is with "don't care" part then I'll say I'm sorry if that offended anyone. (again check below for what "take it back" means and that I already acknowledged the error in that statement ). And I still wish that each one us could focus on other stuff (some far more important than the vocals).



I presumed understanding "take it back" would have been easy and apparently I was wrong.

take it back : To retract (something stated or written).

retract: Withdraw (a statement or accusation) as untrue or unjustified

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'apology/??p?l??i/? ?noun (pl. apologies) 1 a regretful acknowledgement of an offence or failure.'

excuse

?verb /?k?skju?z, ?k-/ ?
  • 1 try or serve to justify (a fault or offence);
You did offend people. Taking back is one thing, apologizing for offence is another. And it seems that it is much easier to write a long post than a simple word something like "sorry if I offended anyone".
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
What did that have to do with anything?
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Evidence is whatever you want it to believe. In this Cascio case we do not have evidence either way, yet we are in the conspiracy theorist thread!
 
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Exactly, because there hasn't been anything factual to support it. Which in turn makes it a conspiracy theory.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
You did offend people. Taking back is one thing, apologizing for offence is another. And it seems that it is much easier to write a long post than a simple word something like "sorry if I offended anyone".
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read it better. It's already written. and the "long post" is the explanation to your "intolerable staff action" comment, I am entitled to explain myself.

So if the argument is that care cannot be necessarily determined by the posting, I'll agree. If the issue is with "don't care" part then I'll say I'm sorry if that offended anyone. (again check below for what "take it back" means and that I already acknowledged the error in that statement ). And I still wish that each one us could focus on other stuff (some far more important than the vocals).
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Exactly, because there hasn't been anything factual to support it. Which in turn makes it a conspiracy theory.
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Well the Cascio songs are as much a piece of evidence as a picture of Mickey Mouse.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

People who believe the Cascio tracks have nothing to gain, but 12 Michael Jackson songs to lose. People accept the Cascio tracks have at least five songs to add to their MJ playlists.

If I'm a conspiracy theorist, what's there for me to gain? Who are the people I work against? What's in it for me? What is my motive?
 
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@BUMPER SNIPPET: Where is the actual proof that Belgium is an official member of the EU? Do you have it at hand?

If you look on the internet, go to a responsible department, ask an official or a politician, how are chances you get to see the actual proof?

You can only read and hear about it but never see the actual proof. ;)
 
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ivy said:
read it better. It's already written. and the "long post" is the explanation to your "intolerable staff action" comment, I am entitled to explain myself.
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I read it, that's why I said it, it seems that it was easier to write all this long post than just simply say sorry from the very beginning instead of "taking back". Anyway, for someone advocating respect for others it was not a thing to say. Why blaming people for defending Michael? I've never heard any non Cascio defenders saying to others "you don't care about MJ's death", regardless the fact if they come to this thread and not to other threads. There was no point in saying anything like that.
 
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Korgnex said:
@BUMPER SNIPPET: Where is the actual proof that Belgium is an official member of the EU? Do you have it at hand?

If you look on the internet, go to a responsible department, ask an official or a politician, how are chances you get to see the actual proof?

You can only read and hear about it but never see the actual proof. ;)
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Not all the answers are on Internet. Go to the European Parliament and you'll get your official document in a heartbeat. All the European countries ratified the treaties and agreements. That is the proof.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Not all the answers are on Internet. Go to the European Parliament and you'll get your official document in a heartbeat. All the European countries ratified the treaties and agreements. That is the proof.
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I know that. My point was you won't get the actual proof. You could see a copy at best.
 
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Korgnex said:
I know that. My point was you won't get the actual proof. You could see a copy at best.
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I'm sorry to say but you are wrong.

It is impossible to give to every single citizen the fresh signature of the document. So in that case, some examples are signed and all others are copied and instead of the signature you have an official stamp that is the proof that the document is as valid as the original. I know what I am talking about as I also work as a sworn and court translator for the Belgian court. All my translations of official documents with my signature on them are considered as valid as the documents in the original language.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I read it, that's why I said it, it seems that it was easier to write all this long post than just simply say sorry from the very beginning instead of "taking back". Anyway, for someone advocating respect for others it was not a thing to say. Why blaming people for defending Michael? I've never heard any non Cascio defenders saying to others "you don't care about MJ's death", regardless the fact if they come to this thread and not to other threads. There was no point in saying anything like that.
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already explained that. Kapital wrote the vocals "was the worst attack done on Michael". there were responses mentioning the accusations etc as attacks on Michael and I took a offense to vocals being shown worse then killing him and that prompted my comment. Kapital corrected it saying he meant" attack to his musical legacy" and I took my comment back as there was a misunderstanding and with the correction it had become wrong and unjustified (Kapital wasn't comparing vocals to his homicide and therefore my comment of comparing those two wasn't justified). In short it was not expressing one self completely combined with misunderstanding. So I already agreed and acknowledged everything that you say. (and it's quite funny that you continue to argue with me while I'm agreeing with you).
 
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ivy said:
already explained that. Kapital wrote the vocals "was the worst attack done on Michael". there were responses mentioning the accusations etc as attacks on Michael and I took a offense to vocals being shown worse then killing him and that prompted my comment. Kapital corrected it saying he meant" attack to his musical legacy" and I took my comment back as there was a misunderstanding and with the correction it had become wrong and unjustified (Kapital wasn't comparing vocals to his homicide and therefore my comment of comparing those two wasn't justified). In short it was not expressing one self completely combined with misunderstanding. So I already agreed and acknowledged everything that you say.
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Alright, but my point was that it is not because one single person offends you, that you should put a whole bunch of community in the same basket who never said anything similar to offend you. I thought that you were lucid enough to fire back at the person who hurt you and not to the whole group of people. But nevermind now, it's forgotten.
 
Firstly, Bumer Snippet is my hero.

Secondly, there's absolutely ZERO evidence that supports these bogus tracks being 'Michael Jackson' products so it's completely correct to refer to the Cascio songs as a 'conspiracy'.
 
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Korgnex said:
I know that. My point was you won't get the actual proof. You could see a copy at best.
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The currecy exchanged in Belgium is Euro. It's located in the European continent. The first president of Europe is from Belgium. The actual treaty ratified by all members of EU does exist and is not destroyed.

America's Declaration of Indepence does exist; although I have only see copied on my high school textbook.

Now, tell me do the raw untouched vocals of the Cascio demos exist at one point?
 
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The good thing about being a conspiracy theorist is to see Sam posting again!

Welcome back Sam. I miss you much.
 
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samhabib said:
Firstly, Bumer Snippet is my hero.

Secondly, there's absolutely ZERO evidence that supports these bogus tracks being 'Michael Jackson' products so it's completely correct to refer to the Cascio songs as a 'conspiracy'.
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Welcome back Sam. You are embarrassing me with such flattering words, thanks mate, but let's keep it simple ;)
 
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The audio compisions are clear like water, we have the coments of Jackson family, Rodney J, 3t, Will i am, Batten, Karen Faye, Chris Cadman, musical experts, many fan clubs fouders, McClain, Cory Rooney, Tons of0 fans around the world.

Tons of audio comparisons that show it's Malachi and that JAMES PORTE CAN'T WAIT TO ERASE.

No Proof Mj sung on those songs, no handwritten notes, nothing.

We are in a a conspiracy section but the Estate needed to make a statement where they don't proof nothing.

We also have Eddie Cascio saying stupid things, talking about showers etc...

The ugly Roger Friedman defending the tracks, liying as Satan....

And We are Conspiracy?.

LAME.
 
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"Soldier Boy", another fake from Cascios.

Move back the post, another fake is over the table.
 
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