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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

Pentum said:
All they have to do is come out and admit they were wrong about the songs.

Then remove the Michael albums.
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just from a liability perspective, they would never ever do that.
 
They don't even have to admit anything. Just remove the damn songs from the album for quality and controversy reasons. Malachi or not, the way they were made was a disgrace to Michael's legacy and an offence to him and his fans. He didn't deserve such a treatment from his own estate executors.
 
morinen said:
the way they were made was a disgrace to Michael's legacy and an offence to him and his fans. He didn't deserve such a treatment from his own estate executors.
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Still so shocking isn't it? Like a nightmare you can't wake up from.

What hurts the most is how horrified Michael would be knowing people thought that was him. Reason alone why I did not buy the album.
 
I highly doubt they're going to do anything to the Michael album. I doubt it even sells that many copys anyways and it's quite obvious the Estate and Sony have moved on from this almost 3 year old issue.

It'd cost them more money to remove the songs off the tracklist, redesign and reprint the booklets (and back covers), and reprint the discs, than it would to just leave it alone and ignore the small minority of fans who are complaining about it (not to make it sound like I'm against you, I'm just saying).

Yes, they should do it for Michael's legacy, but this album has barely made a dent (if that) in the phenomenal legacy that is Michael Jackson (and thank god - ignoring these controversial tracks, I think it's a forgettable 'meh' album anyway).

Financially, it's just not a good option for them and that is most likely the reason as to why nothing has happened in regards to the Michael controversy.
 
morinen said:
They don't even have to admit anything. Just remove the damn songs from the album for quality and controversy reasons. Malachi or not, the way they were made was a disgrace to Michael's legacy and an offence to him and his fans. He didn't deserve such a treatment from his own estate executors.
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that would be an implicit admittance. the only reason someone removes or recalls something is because there is a problem. in business 101 such actions would open them to liability issues. so don't hold your breath for it.

the most realistic expectation would be that they act like that album do not exist - which they have been doing for some time now. For example Michael CD is not being sold at MJ One store.
 
Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

Pentum said:
All they have to do is come out and admit they were wrong about the songs.

Then remove the Michael albums.
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As much as I hate that those songs are on the album, I think that would be a very unwise, foolish move by the Estate. I can't even imagine the backlash, litigation and possible financial disaster they would be opening for Michael Jackson's Estate, if they did that.
 
Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

qbee said:
As much as I hate that those songs are on the album, I think that would be a very unwise, foolish move by the Estate. I can't even imagine the backlash, litigation and possible financial disaster they would be opening for Michael Jackson's Estate, if they did that.
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It is the only right thing to do.
 
Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

Pentum said:
All they have to do is come out and admit they were wrong about the songs.

Then remove the Michael albums.
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Removing the Michael albums is kind of useless, to be honest. There are still around 1.5 million copies floating around the globe in retail bins and things of the sorts. I would imagine the estate should just let those sell out. As far as digital sales, remove the three Cascio tracks from iTunes, Amazon and whatever other digital sites are selling them.

As far as any admissions, the estate can't make any. All they can say is, "We thought the songs were Michael, and we were wrong." If we want some kind of admission that they are 100% fake, that needs to come from Eddie Cascio himself.
 
NO, not "kind of useless". They might not have the power to remove every single Michael CD from all stores all over the globe, but at least remove it from the official MJ discography. And yes, follow up with removing it digitally or at LEAST remove all Cascio songs.

And yes, "we thought the songs were Michael, and we were wrong" is good enough for me. That's at least admitting that the songs are 1) fake and 2) they were wrong. An apology should follow up as well.

This shit is going to bite them so hard one day, they will be regretting this every night.
 
I do agree with Ivy that the best thing they could've done were to ignore and move on from the Michael situation. At the same time, I also know that that approach will come back and bite them in the future. It won't be the near future, may be 10, maybe 20 years from now. But this will come back up again and they're going to have to explain themselves. It happened with Jimi Hendrix, when they copy and pasted un-used material and turned them into full songs and labeled them actual studio recordings. It happened with Elvis, signs say it'll happen again.
 
ivy said:
the most realistic expectation would be that they act like that album do not exist - which they have been doing for some time now. For example Michael CD is not being sold at MJ One store.
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I don't remember if I saw it in MJ ONE Store, but I distinctly remember seeing it in the MJ ONE souvenir booklet mentioned as part of Michael's discography in the same row with HIStory and Invincible (made me cringe), and I remember all these songs on the recent iTunes digital collection. They don't act like it doesn't exist.

And besides business practices there is also human decency. Maybe Sony doesn't care and does't owe anything to Michael, but his Estate executors owe their current jobs to him. The least they could do is respect his quality standards and his honesty with fans.
 
The Immortal programme has Michael but not Blood on the Dance Floor, they certainly aren't ignoring it.
 
Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

Pentum said:
All they have to do is come out and admit they were wrong about the songs.

Then remove the Michael albums.
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It's not that simple to remove a multi-platinum album from store shelves.
 
morinen said:
I don't remember if I saw it in MJ ONE Store, but I distinctly remember seeing it in the MJ ONE souvenir booklet mentioned as part of Michael's discography in the same row with HIStory and Invincible (made me cringe), and I remember all these songs on the recent iTunes digital collection. They don't act like it doesn't exist.

And besides business practices there is also human decency. Maybe Sony doesn't care and does't owe anything to Michael, but his Estate executors owe their current jobs to him. The least they could do is respect his quality standards and his honesty with fans.
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It's not being sold at the MJ One boutique store. I was there for my birthday August 15th and I asked one of the staff members, they told me that I can buy that album on Michael's official site or iTunes. As for the souvenir program, Yes it is mentioned as part of Michael's discography.


*Sorry for the double post.
 
I don't care if it's not simple- it's possible, they are the estate and the reason is good enough. Why would I even care for what is simple and not? I'm not the one who put out FAKE songs. To me, current Estate are a bunch of incompetent ***** until the Cascio situation is SOLVED.
 
I wonder why Angelo Montrone modified the wording of his July 2009 news bulletin multiple times.

Here's what it looked like on October 16, 2009:

We spent 2 weeks recording tracks and doing rough mixes for Michael Jackson. We were working with producer James Porter who had been co-writing with Michael for an upcoming album. We were stunned to hear the news of Michael’s death shortly after delivering the tracks that he would sing to. Michael was an incredible talent and we were excited to be part of his music.
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Then he changed it to this sometime between October 16, 2009 and February 26, 2010:

We spent 2 weeks recording tracks and doing rough mixes for a great music talent which at this time has to remain unknown ; We were working with producer James Porter for this upcoming album. This is a very exciting project and we are thrilled to be a part of it - more to come on this.
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"[A] great talent" who "has to remain unknown"? "[M]ore to come on this"? It's as if Angelikson Productions contacted Montrone between Oct 2009 and Feb 2010 and informed him that the MJ demos were being salvaged for a future project. If that's the case, I wonder the exact month he was contacted and if he was told anything else.

Then sometime after September 12, 2010, Montrone switched the news bulletin back to its original wording, only this time he included Eddie Cascio's name:

We spent 2 weeks recording tracks and doing rough mixes for Michael Jackson. We were working with producers James Porte and Eddie “Angel” Cascio who had been co-writing with Michael for an upcoming album. We were stunned to hear the news of Michael’s death shortly after delivering the tracks that he would sing to. Michael was an incredible talent and we were excited to be part of his music.
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Source: Wayback Machine
 
I tried contacting Calisto via PM about something private, but he never replied, so when I saw him post here, I just used the opportunity.

Sorry, guys.
 
That was a good video. Made me feel so guilty about buying the album. Really wish I hadn't now!
 
So, this whole "A truth untold" thingy really is about the Cascio controversy. That's great. Can't wait for more...

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