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Michael - The Great Album Debate

I think Black Widow is the best "impersonation" since he sings with quite a bit of grit. Also in Ready 2 Win at the end of the bridge "showww the world". The "showww" is very convincing, but it could be cut and paste from a song like Will You Be There though.

I am still at a loss as to where the "yeaah" in KYHU and All Right is from, it sounds like WYBT but still off, or could be another unreleased song (recall Escape was sampled in BN). Same goes with the "doggone" in Black Widow...

I think these may be copy paste "you're MAKing me there" in Fall in Love and "BABY it's you" but I'm not sure where they're from
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Can some decipher what's the storyline in the song and what is it about in general? *LMAO*
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Slow down Water by -40 so that the voice is deep like a Monster and the music is like out of a horror movie. Play the song while reading this:

Water is about Frankenstein and his sad loss.

The song starts with Frankenstein slowly entering his cave in the rain and in the dark... In his hands, he carry his wife who is a human... she is dead. He doesn't know what to do and he is all alone now. He then sits by the entrance with her in his arms and starts singing, crying, asking the angels to help him bring his wife back. The angels tells him that they have not forgotten the day he killed the little girl named Susie. He begs and cries for forgiveness, to only help his dead wife. He will do anything for it, even let the people of Harmville get him after all the years he has been wanted.

The angels agrees and Frankenstein travels out to Harmville, screaming, crying, shouting, "it's all over me! it's all over me!" "I kileld Little Susie and I don't deserve to live on this planet anymore!"

The peope of Harmville quickly respons by attacking Frankenstein... He is defenseless... The angels are staring at him from above... It's starting to rain like never before, and they are literally drowning his soul... "it's all over me! it's all over mee..." Frankenstein shouts while gasping for air... He now sees a light from above in the dark clouds... The strong light transforms into a hand, which he instantly recognizes. He sees his wife now, reaching out a hand. "Come... now we will be left alone"

Frankenstein is now gone from this earth and joins his wife in heaven. The song ends with the people of Harmville slowly walking away from the burning body of Frankenstein, like nothing ever happened...
 
analogue said:
What's crazy is that some people actually do believe that it's MJ and will defend it. For me the most head scratching thing is that not only do these people defend these Cascio tracks but they also say that are as good/if not not better than some of the songs on albums that MJ released when he was alive. Even if someone does believe that these songs are really sung by MJ can they honestly say that they are up the standards on the work on the albums released when he was alive?

Let's say if some amazing evidence comes out proving that the cascio songs are really MJ singing i'd still say the songs suck and wonder what the hell Michael was thinking
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When my girlfriend, who isn't even a fan of Michael more than enjoying what I play around her, is telling me how terrible and obvious it is it isn't Michael, I am even more assured.

I've actually played quite a bit of Jason Malachi around her, and she really hates his voice and has always hated his songs when I've kind of liked them.

Like when I first played Let Me Let Go (when I thought it was Michael singing) she commented "Is this really Michael?" because she found it sounded weird, the words were off, the phrasing was different. I assured her, "No, I'm pretty sure it's Michael!"

Then I found out it was Jason Malachi singing that song and my mind was kind of blown, then it came back to me that I REMEMBERED the 7even album (or whatever it was) and how that had had some supposedly 'fake' songs on it (like Mamacita). I had forgotten, it came back to me and I started to research Jason Malachi. At first, I must admit, he sounded almost exactly like Michael to me in certain songs. I remember really questioning my hearing and wondering what was going on and how this could be happening.

Eventually, though, like acquiring a taste or being able to distinguish between two genres of rock, or two rock singers that sound very alike but are not the same, Jason Malachi's voice started to distinguish itself from Michael's a lot more.

Like I've said before, I've been a Michael Jackson fan all of my life, but really came to call myself a 'hardcore' fan in Summer 2005 when I decided to do extensive research on the child molestation charges.

So really, my point with that is, my knowledge of Michael's music from 08-10, while I had quite a lot from listening to his music constantly for 3 years and watching countless interviews, was still not as developed as a lot of fans, because I was still a young fan and it took me a while to go deeper into Michael's music to discover the real voice behind it enough to distinguish Malachi's voice from Michael's. Which now is SO obvious to me that it's like, "How could I have been so gullible?" But that's how it always is with things like that.

And this whole situation has really caused me to go deeper into my fandom and really analyze and question it to find my truth in it. So I think that has been the only plus out of this entire thing, and meeting you all of you people.
 
Aniram said:
When my girlfriend, who isn't even a fan of Michael more than enjoying what I play around her, is telling me how terrible and obvious it is it isn't Michael, I am even more assured.

I've actually played quite a bit of Jason Malachi around her, and she really hates his voice and has always hated his songs when I've kind of liked them.

Like when I first played Let Me Let Go (when I thought it was Michael singing) she commented "Is this really Michael?" because she found it sounded weird, the words were off, the phrasing was different. I assured her, "No, I'm pretty sure it's Michael!"

Then I found out it was Jason Malachi singing that song and my mind was kind of blown, then it came back to me that I REMEMBERED the 7even album (or whatever it was) and how that had had some supposedly 'fake' songs on it (like Mamacita). I had forgotten, it came back to me and I started to research Jason Malachi. At first, I must admit, he sounded almost exactly like Michael to me in certain songs. I remember really questioning my hearing and wondering what was going on and how this could be happening.

Eventually, though, like acquiring a taste or being able to distinguish between two genres of rock, or two rock singers that sound very alike but are not the same, Jason Malachi's voice started to distinguish itself from Michael's a lot more.

Like I've said before, I've been a Michael Jackson fan all of my life, but really came to call myself a 'hardcore' fan in Summer 2005 when I decided to do extensive research on the child molestation charges.

So really, my point with that is, my knowledge of Michael's music from 08-10, while I had quite a lot from listening to his music constantly for 3 years and watching countless interviews, was still not as developed as a lot of fans, because I was still a young fan and it took me a while to go deeper into Michael's music to discover the real voice behind it enough to distinguish Malachi's voice from Michael's. Which now is SO obvious to me that it's like, "How could I have been so gullible?" But that's how it always is with things like that.

And this whole situation has really caused me to go deeper into my fandom and really analyze and question it to find my truth in it. So I think that has been the only plus out of this entire thing, and meeting you all of you people.
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As a doubter, I doubt what you say is true. :p
 
And now I'm doubting if I even exist anymore. All thanks to this thread.
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It's fascinating to me how all songs have such stupid lyrics:

"I can't believe we're burnin' hard right now
Feel the fire We're burnin' like Hell came tonight
My soul desires (deciders)
I can't let nobody stop the thing we got
It makes you wonder
A friend of mine? Sexy wine?
Baby why you play me like a toy"

Sexy wine??? Hahahaha

http://www.google.hr/search?hl=hr&q...s-on-my-vines-pictured-last-week.html;324;558
 
And the play you like a toy is a reference to Jason's cover of "Tell It Like It Is" it seems.
 
My mother says Cascio tracks sound like somewhat different singer singing instead of Michael. And she is a casual listener.
 
My mom has always been a casual listener as well. She is a dance and art teacher, however, so I'd say she pays a little more attention to music than some, because she choreographs a lot and loves and admires Michael as an artist. She's owned Dangerous and Janet's albums, too, that I know of, but she isn't like what you'd call an avid listener or anything. She loves Michael, though. But yeah, immediately she knew that it wasn't Michael singing Breaking News. That was the first thing she said when I played it, "This isn't Michael!"
 
I want more Cascio songs to be released on the next album because many fans and especially MJ's family already forgot what happened. It's a shame that Jacksons, 3T and especially kids did nothing to remove those 3 fake songs from MJ's discography. Only hardcore fans tried to do something but that was not enough. For me 3 or 5 or 12 fake songs is the same. I want them to release more fake songs on the next album. Maybe then the family will finally do something.
 
A lot of casual music listeners tend to take a singer like Bruno Mars or Ne-Yo sound like Michael. As a result they think Jason Malachi sounds like Michael.

When I first heard Breaking News I wasn't really sure because my mind kept telling me "this is Michael" but then I "Michael never sang like this! More like Jason Malachi."

When I heard Monster, Stay/"Carry On" and All I Need as people called it before, I already saw people commenting on the snippets and how MTS, Love Never Felt So Good (which was greatly overlooked and still is!), and Blue Gangsta were real. Out of the three Cascio tracks I mentioned, only Stay sounded remotely like MJ but I first was like "huh is this some ballad version of Hot N' Cold by Katy Perry?"

When I first heard a snippet of Water, I was actually expecting it to be the real MJ since there were rumours that it's the "Water" he sings in This Is It. I was in for a big surprise when I heard "tell the angels no" and laughed hysterically, same reaction when I heard KYHU with the Earth Song adlibs.

weeee:
https://www.box.com/s/o24pc0rftjc0nypgj7t1

Before MJ's passing when I first became a fan (around summer 2007), I had a greater interest in his concert performances and dancing. Songs were great but I never spent a lot of time listening to them. After he left us and being especially disappointed about This Is It being cancelled, I realized the music would be the greatest thing he left. Although I think the Cascio tracks are fake, they increased my appreciation for his REAL studio work.
 
Frankyboy5 said:
I think Black Widow is the best "impersonation" since he sings with quite a bit of grit. Also in Ready 2 Win at the end of the bridge "showww the world". The "showww" is very convincing, but it could be cut and paste from a song like Will You Be There though.

I am still at a loss as to where the "yeaah" in KYHU and All Right is from, it sounds like WYBT but still off, or could be another unreleased song (recall Escape was sampled in BN). Same goes with the "doggone" in Black Widow...

I think these may be copy paste "you're MAKing me there" in Fall in Love and "BABY it's you" but I'm not sure where they're from
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I'm pretty sure those faintly heard lines are the only ones of real Michael on that entire song, in my opinion. They're the only portion of the song that actually sounds like Michael, it doesn't sound like each line was repeated and recorded to get the best "Michael effect", they sound legit.

"My baby bay-behhh yeaa" at the end, sounds like Michael to me...

"I believe it Bay-Behhh" also at the end, is Michael, I think.

"Singgg It Againnn" also at the end, is Michael, I think.

"Readdayyyy-yeee, sayyy" at the end as well, is also Michael, I think.


I think those four lines are the only Michael verses throughout the entire song..And after listening again, "Show The Worlddd", sounds all Malachi to me.


To people wondering, I don't think Sony will ever release these songs in full themselves. Because it would basically be an admission of guilt. Each song will sound less and less like Michael, people are going to seriously judge Sony's crediblity as the fact of "who the fudge tested these? A room full of Monkey's?"; "Who the hell was doing drugs that day where they said "Yup, this is Michael, here's such and such million dollars, Eddie.""; It would be a huge shot to Sony's credibility, because it would help prove that these songs weren't Michael nor were they ever Michael, thus the same voice being on the entire duration of all 12 songs. And Sony being fooled from a voice that really isn't that comparable to Michael's unique and distinctive sound. So in the end, that would mean only one of two things, perhaps Cascio played them a demo full of copy & pastes, and legit fooled Sony, but that doesn't hold with me. And option number two would be, Sony knew damn well this wasn't Michael and still put those three songs on the album, out of greed. And that's what I believe is what really happened. So, I think the most we can hope for, is more leaks from outside sources.
 
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OnirMJ said:
I want more Cascio songs to be released on the next album because many fans and especially MJ's family already forgot what happened. It's a shame that Jacksons, 3T and especially kids did nothing to remove those 3 fake songs from MJ's discography. Only hardcore fans tried to do something but that was not enough. For me 3 or 5 or 12 fake songs is the same. I want them to release more fake songs on the next album. Maybe then the family will finally do something.
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I laughed so hard 'cause it's so true:lol: You know, I dont even care anymore whether they put in on the album or not. Even just to promote it under Michael's name while saying it's Jasons album(that'll never happen but whatever), as long as they DON'T add it to his discography. That really makes my heart ache, such a shame.
 
WhoIsIt89 said:
I'm pretty sure those faintly heard lines are the only ones of real Michael on that entire song, in my opinion. They're the only portion of the song that actually sounds like Michael, it doesn't sound like each line was repeated and recorded to get the best "Michael effect", they sound legit.
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I have to say, there are parts in the Cascio tracks that make me stop and try to figure out whether I actually hear Michael singing or if I'm an idiot. For instance, towards the end of Water we hear:

"It's all on|me, it's all on|me, it's all..."

Other than the word "me," which was sung by Jason and copy-pasted in (you can tell because the vocals seem to skip around that part), this portion sounds like Michael in my opinion. I don't know whether Jason just pulled off a flawless imitation or if it was sampled from unheard ad-libs or what, but I'm still under the impression that Water has three seconds worth of legitimate Michael Jackson vocals.
 
Yeah, I have to admit it gave me chills listening to the end of Water. Although, it doesn't usually take much to give me chills in music. I love that! :D

+ I agree, if that ad-lib was Malachi it was really good.
 
Guys, it wouldn't be surprising, there are copy-pastes everywhere all over the songs. Sometimes the smallest words like "why" are inserted. Sometimes some breaths or hiccups are inserted. Those songs are complete fabrications from A to Z.

I believe that an impostor (most probably Jason) fully sang and recorded all the songs, then after the recording some editing was done in order to replace some Jason's words by Michael's from previous albums in order to fool people + some MJ's ad-libs are actually copy-pastes as well as some of his "dah" and hiccups. It seems so obvious by now.

There are versions of the same songs where they probably realized they blatantly inserted too many parts from previous MJ's albums, so they simply removed them in the final versions. I am referring to the alternative version of Monster where you can clearly hear MJ's shouts from the video Ghosts, sound effects from Threatened, or "What about us" part that was removed from Keep Your Head Up, etc.

But even so, there is still a huge amount of sampling from previous songs: Breaking News is so blatantly using the music sample of You Rock My World.

There is no single Cascio track without copy-paste or music sample or parts of rip-offs from previous MJ songs. They are 12 plagiarized songs skilfully transformed into so called new songs. What I don't get is how the heck the believers don't hear at least those FACTS?

Other than the fabrication, there is nothing new in those tracks (because of sampling, copy-pastes and rip-offs)! Complete lack of originality and then some will discuss how subjective the doubters are when it comes to... umm "art"? Right, whatever.
 
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I think if they know MJ songs, they can admit to hearing the copy and pastes from those songs. That doesn't mean they have to change there stance from being a believer but just at least admit they recognize that other MJ songs were copied and pasted into the cascio tracks. I didnt know any believers were denying that anyway?

Myself I feel I hear a MJ adlib here and there inserted among all the copy and pastes and the (JM or whoever) but I think that's all Eddie had a few runs or adlibs .. but its very difficult when they are all mixed together like that and can be deceiving to our ears. but to me having an ad lib from MJ placed here and there between all the copy and Pasting and the other JM sounding voices doesn;t make these MJ songs. IMO It's deception on their part for doing that and trying to pawn them off as true MJ songs. If the majority of the vocals even sounded like MJ or were Michael then yes .. but thats not the case
 
I wouldn't spend my time trying to match a "ha" to a million possible released "ha"s but can I say so what if there are pasted adlibs? Do you know that they did new songs for Biggie by copy pasting his verses from his demos and his already released songs? So when your lead singer is dead and if you have unfinished work the way to finish it is from a copy paste from previous stuff. It's a common practice in posthumous releases. I actually think it's hurting doubters claim. If they had Jason at their disposal who is able to do vocals that makes you even question them whether it could be Michael or not like in the last page, why wouldn't they have him do all the adlibs as well?
 
He did ad libs, the obvious jason ones. They LATER added ad libs, probably didn't have time/care or whatever to get back to Jason and re-record ad libs.
 
ivy said:
I actually think it's hurting doubters claim. If they had Jason at their disposal who is able to do vocals that makes you even question them whether it could be Michael or not like in the last page, why wouldn't they have him do all the adlibs as well?
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What? It's obvious that adding the ad-libs makes it very confusing for believers and convinces them it's MJ sometimes. :/
 
ivy said:
I wouldn't spend my time trying to match a "ha" to a million possible released "ha"s but can I say so what if there are pasted adlibs? Do you know that they did new songs for Biggie by copy pasting his verses from his demos and his already released songs? So when your lead singer is dead and if you have unfinished work the way to finish it is from a copy paste from previous stuff. It's a common practice in posthumous releases. I actually think it's hurting doubters claim. If they had Jason at their disposal who is able to do vocals that makes you even question them whether it could be Michael or not like in the last page, why wouldn't they have him do all the adlibs as well?
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Because Jason was only available for a set period of time to go to the place where they were recorded (not Cascio's). The other things were added to "Michael" them up. For example if someone hears a hoo or ha that they can identify as Michael, then they are more inclined to think that everything they are listening to is Michael. What is far more illogical is the fact that Michael recorded an entire album and forgot to perform one single adlib, breath or anything else.

But really, it doesn't matter anymore. I'm glad that Fall In Love, All Right etc have leaked because now people can hear it for themselves. There is simply no defence anymore. They sound so unlike him that it just becomes a joke to try and say they are Michael.
 
Aniram said:
What? It's obvious that adding the ad-libs makes it very confusing for believers and convinces them it's MJ sometimes. :/
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I'm sure many people have the intelligence to know the difference between a lead vocal and an ad-lib.

StellaJackson said:
Because Jason was only available for a set period of time to go to the place where they were recorded (not Cascio's). The other things were added to "Michael" them up. For example if someone hears a hoo or ha that they can identify as Michael, then they are more inclined to think that everything they are listening to is Michael. What is far more illogical is the fact that Michael recorded an entire album and forgot to perform one single adlib, breath or anything else.
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honestly I enjoy this oxymoron. the claim that they did such a crappy job when they were faking the songs but yet no one can prove it. a perfect crime achieved by an inferior act.

What is far more illogical is the fact that Michael recorded an entire album and forgot to perform one single adlib, breath or anything else.
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answer : the difference between guide vocals and a finished songs. didn't Michael always record the adlibs the last? so why do you expect him to record them when they were just starting to work on the songs?
 
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