Michael - The Great Album Debate

[MJelboo]

My opinion on the album right now is that, besides the obvious controversy over the three Cascio tracks, the rest of it nothing more than a random collection of demo's and outtakes, edited by random producers. It's incoherent in lyrical and musical themes, in age of the songs, and quality. It should not have been released.

 

[Kapital77]

edit: you know what? I don't care. Keep stressing yourselves.

We keep stressing because some fake tracks of JASON MALACHI still on Michael Jackson BMI catalogue.

What will you do or say when the truth will be known?.

Cascios and Jason will pay sooner or later. It is a matter of time.

 

[ivy]

^^
less than a year until statue of limitations for a lawsuit to run out.

and all this anger - especially towards your fellow fans - is so meaningless and too consuming.

 

[Kapital77]

^^
less than a year until statue of limitations for a lawsuit to run out.

Are you happy with that?. They will pay with the power of law or without the power of law. The entire world will know they fool Mj fans and Sony and they will be forever guilty on the eyes of the world.

and all this anger - especially towards your fellow fans - is so meaningless and too consuming.

I prefer to be consumed rather than supporting fake tracks which destroy Mj music legacy.

 

[Frankyboy5]

The Very Best of James Porte

May be a little off-topic, but James Porte's greatest vocal performance:
https://www.box.com/s/evk3ya1y38kqyx49g4s8\
"aaaaahhh,
I couldn't say good night... (YOU!)"
The "you!" sounds very typical of James just like in Exotic Dancer he does an MJ-like "yeaah!"

I noticed there's a little bit of a goat vibrato at the end of "say goodbye" yet this does not sound like "Jason" here either. (the only parts that sounds like the lead singer is "do you really wanna stay") Maybe James also has a goat vibrato or we can go back to the "processed" theory to say his voice had been "overprocessed" with a goat vibrato... It is also important to note that he does not show his vibrato in other songs.

More to come!

@Pentum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJBEJiGShgI

At 2:21 you can hear "Barry" sing over Michael; he even tries to simulate MJ's mic being moved away from his mouth. The audio's wrong because in the original at that point the chorus pitch goes up already, I think it's just a repeat and dub. I don't think it's Barry in the KYHU cover, I'm just saying such bad singing reminds me of this.

Ughh Barry is like Main Attraction he steals pics from impersonators (namely Christopher Gaspar) and claims he posed as the TII Conference MJ.

 

[Moromete]

Why would you hate the album?... Only because of three (3) controversial songs?

Are you forgetting:
Hold My Hand: A song Michael Jackson was really proud of according to Akon and 3T.
Hollywood Tonight
(I Like) The Way You Love Me: Which has an amazing voice message intro.
Best Of Joy: One of the last songs written and recorded by Michael Jackson.
(I Can't Make It) Another Day
Behind The Mask
Much Too Soon

I like these songs, but they're not touched by Michael, I mean these tracks were remixed in 2010, so they don't have MJ's touch.
I think Best Of Joy and (I Like) The Way You Love Me are well done.

 

[Chamife]

[youtube]tRzL1I_YcL0[/youtube]

If you concentrate on one earphone, you can hear the voice better. From that one song I know of him, it could be James Porte 'Michaeling' it up (as I hear it). Maybe this is that demo Angelo Montrone got to work with (without that other irritating voice in the other earphone)?

I don't think the singing is bad at all.

 

[Frankyboy5]

[youtube]tRzL1I_YcL0[/youtube]

If you concentrate on one earphone, you can hear the voice better. From that one song I know of him, it could be James Porte 'Michaeling' it up (as I hear it). Maybe this is that demo Angelo Montrone got to work with (without that other irritating voice in the other earphone)?

I don't think the singing is bad at all.

It's still muddled in with "Jason"'s voice in that video. It sounds awful if you isolate the voice by completely eliminating Jason's voice.

Just his voice with Michael Vancosso's (ForceStudios) instrumental and its background vocals:
https://www.box.com/s/00oacpvjafifra9awk1r

Regardless I found this interesting info on Majestic Music Factory (Angelo Montrone's) site:
"July 2009: We spent 2 weeks recording tracks and doing rough mixes for Michael Jackson. We were working with producers James Porte and Eddie “Angel” Cascio who had been co-writing with Michael for an upcoming album. We were stunned to hear the news of Michael’s death shortly after delivering the tracks that he would sing to. Michael was an incredible talent and we were excited to be part of his music."

They seem to talk as if MJ didn't even record the tracks... "rough mixes for Michael Jackson"... "he would sing to"

 

[Chamife]

It's still muddled in with "Jason"'s voice. It sounds awful if you isolate the voice by completely eliminating Jason's voice.

Wai'ing for someone to do that...

 

[Frankyboy5]

LOL I already did I updated the post
https://www.box.com/s/00oacpvjafifra9awk1r

Also in case you missed it these are the isolated acapellas. Not the best quality because you have to knock out the voice using the "real" KYHU.

This is the left vocal channel isolated:
https://www.box.com/s/qczpy8k937bnfdouxs3y
Right channel sounds like the same person but the vocals are different:
https://www.box.com/s/nu125ag2fps2iidihg79

 

[StellaJackson]

Regardless I found this interesting info on Majestic Music Factory (Angelo Montrone's) site:
"July 2009: We spent 2 weeks recording tracks and doing rough mixes for Michael Jackson. We were working with producers James Porte and Eddie “Angel” Cascio who had been co-writing with Michael for an upcoming album. We were stunned to hear the news of Michael’s death shortly after delivering the tracks that he would sing to. Michael was an incredible talent and we were excited to be part of his music."

They seem to talk as if MJ didn't even record the tracks... "rough mixes for Michael Jackson"... "he would sing to"

He didn't. Montrone was presented with all that existed of the Cascio tracks at that time, which was four songs with James Porte's voice on only so that he could mix them ready for Michael to record in London. This was just a few weeks before he died.

Cascio and Porte would later say, as their excuse for there being no outtakes of Michael speaking during the recording process, that Michael was so happy that he ordered all the takes to be destroyed. Yet this of course completely contradicts the fact that they were preparing them to be recordered by Michael in London. You couldn't make it up.

Also, the fact that Montrone only had four songs is significant if you pay attention to how the copyright registrations from March 2010 are laid out. Too complicated to go into now.

 

[ivy]

Are you happy with that?.

Wrong question to the wrong person. As I don't believe the songs to be fakes from my perspective there's no crime. so I have no reason to feel happy or unhappy in regards to a legal action.

They will pay with the power of law or without the power of law.

now you are sounding like a lynch mob

The entire world will know they fool Mj fans and Sony and they will be forever guilty on the eyes of the world.

Check Milli Vanilli case. Both Milli Vanilli and their producer (the actual fraudster) continued to make music Arista issued refunds but their business life continued. If you can look to this realistically you will see that most of the people / world do not maintain hate for businesses or people that do not effect their life in a significant way. So I think the most will be that only for a portion of MJ fans they will be forever guilty. The rest of the world won't probably care.

I prefer to be consumed rather than supporting fake tracks which destroy Mj music legacy.

that's your call but one day you'll realize that you only hurt yourself in this regard.

 

[Chamife]

Regardless I found this interesting info on Majestic Music Factory (Angelo Montrone's) site:
"July 2009: We spent 2 weeks recording tracks and doing rough mixes for Michael Jackson. We were working with producers James Porte and Eddie “Angel” Cascio who had been co-writing with Michael for an upcoming album. We were stunned to hear the news of Michael’s death shortly after delivering the tracks that he would sing to. Michael was an incredible talent and we were excited to be part of his music."

They seem to talk as if MJ didn't even record the tracks... "rough mixes for Michael Jackson"... "he would sing to"

I know:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...Album-Debate?p=3706973&viewfull=1#post3706973



There was a whole discussion about this in this thread. Kreen even had some questions answered by Angelo Montrone.

LOL I already did I updated the post
https://www.box.com/s/00oacpvjafifra9awk1r

Also in case you missed it these are the isolated acapellas. Not the best quality because you have to knock out the voice using the "real" KYHU.

:bow:

It's like I hear a foreign accent, but not sure. Still don't think it's bad, but I have difference of opinions about that subject more often, lol.

 

[SoCav]

Re: The Very Best of James Porte

@Pentum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJBEJiGShgI

At 2:21 you can hear "Barry" sing over Michael; he even tries to simulate MJ's mic being moved away from his mouth. The audio's wrong because in the original at that point the chorus pitch goes up already, I think it's just a repeat and dub. I don't think it's Barry in the KYHU cover, I'm just saying such bad singing reminds me of this.

The vocals in the clip from the WMA's are absolutely Michael's. What you seem to refer to with 'the original' is actually the edited broadcast version of the show, where they edited out (or at least massively decreased the levels of) those vocals. What you hear in this clip is what was also shown on news reports on the day of and day after the show. I remember it vividly because I was very excited to see MJ make an appearance at an award show again.

 

[Pentum]

Re: The Very Best of James Porte

May be a little off-topic, but James Porte's greatest vocal performance:
https://www.box.com/s/evk3ya1y38kqyx49g4s8\
"aaaaahhh,
I couldn't say good night... (YOU!)"
The "you!" sounds very typical of James just like in Exotic Dancer he does an MJ-like "yeaah!"

I noticed there's a little bit of a goat vibrato at the end of "say goodbye" yet this does not sound like "Jason" here either. (the only parts that sounds like the lead singer is "do you really wanna stay") Maybe James also has a goat vibrato or we can go back to the "processed" theory to say his voice had been "overprocessed" with a goat vibrato... It is also important to note that he does not show his vibrato in other songs.

More to come!

@Pentum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJBEJiGShgI

At 2:21 you can hear "Barry" sing over Michael; he even tries to simulate MJ's mic being moved away from his mouth. The audio's wrong because in the original at that point the chorus pitch goes up already, I think it's just a repeat and dub. I don't think it's Barry in the KYHU cover, I'm just saying such bad singing reminds me of this.

Ughh Barry is like Main Attraction he steals pics from impersonators (namely Christopher Gaspar) and claims he posed as the TII Conference MJ.

I'm sorry but this story is new to me, who Is Barry Shaw? I have heard about his name on the internet only, but never cared because it was always tied to the death hoax.

Listening to the normal WMA 06, mj sings at that 2.21 part, but you can't really make out much

Then in the vid you posted, it's suddenly no music almost?

 

[Pentum]

Re: The Very Best of James Porte

The vocals in the clip from the WMA's are absolutely Michael's. What you seem to refer to with 'the original' is actually the edited broadcast version of the show, where they edited out (or at least massively decreased the levels of) those vocals. What you hear in this clip is what was also shown on news reports on the day of and day after the show. I remember it vividly because I was very excited to see MJ make an appearance at an award show again.

Yeah, frank got me confused here

the clear falsetto voice at the end is clearly Michael, I never thought about it not being him

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: The Very Best of James Porte

I'm sorry but this story is new to me, who Is Barry Shaw? I have heard about his name on the internet only, but never cared because it was always tied to the death hoax.

He doesn't exist. It's just a made up person that the crackpot hoax brigade think impersonated Michael at the WMA's 06, o2 press conference and various other things.

 

[Chamife]

Re: The Very Best of James Porte

He doesn't exist. It's just a made up person that the crackpot hoax brigade think impersonated Michael at the WMA's 06, o2 press conference and various other things.

Sounds logical.

crackpot hoax brigade???

 

[SoCav]

Re: The Very Best of James Porte

Yeah, frank got me confused here

the clear falsetto voice at the end is clearly Michael, I never thought about it not being him

It definitely is him. Just to confirm that the later broadcast was edited: in this amateur video you can also clearly hear the vocals at the end.

http://youtu.be/wOA3rMuT9XI
(3.20m)

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: The Very Best of James Porte

Sounds logical.

crackpot hoax brigade???

I'm being polite. Spend half an hour or so looking through some hoax websites. You will lose all faith in humanity.

 

[Pentum]

Re: The Very Best of James Porte

It definitely is him. Just to confirm that the later broadcast was edited: in this amateur video you can also clearly hear the vocals at the end.

http://youtu.be/wOA3rMuT9XI
(3.20m)

I wish MJ went on after the music turned off, would've been mindblowing

 

[Frankyboy5]

sorry I got confused, well it seems MJ sounded a bit different there I thought Barry Shaw butchered the audio because in the original event the pitch was actually higher. Didn't know they edited it and now I see there's multiple versions... I used to think the version without any vocals at that particular section was the "official version"...

Just how you're psyche will impact you're opinion on how "good" or "bad" a vocal is...

back on topic,
It seems even the doubters are divided upon who is singing in the KYHU cover... Some people are going as far as saying Sony did this and that the voice is Porte, while others simply state it is a fan cover. Now our debate is "James Porte or not" and it will be just as bad.

Personally, I think we should just move on from this particular issue as I don't believe it is directly relevant to the Cascio tracks. I don't think it is James Porte.

Either way, it's an issue that tries to muddle up our focus...

 

[Kapital77]

Check Milli Vanilli case. Both Milli Vanilli and their producer (the actual fraudster) continued to make music Arista issued refunds but their business life continued. If you can look to this realistically you will see that most of the people / world do not maintain hate for businesses or people that do not effect their life in a significant way. So I think the most will be that only for a portion of MJ fans they will be forever guilty. The rest of the world won't probably care.

Milli Vanilli are not Michael Jackson. Someday the truth will be exposed for the entire world and we will see the faces of Cascios, Porte, Teddy Riley and Jason Malachi, and later we will see the reaction of the MJ and non MJ world against them.

that's your call but one day you'll realize that you only hurt yourself in this regard.

Not, i´m not, i´m defending Mj music legacy with the truth and i´m so proud of do it.

 

[ivy]

Good luck on your fight. Still you might want to ease on the hate / anger towards your fellow fans.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Good luck on your fight. Still you might want to ease on the hate / anger towards your fellow fans.

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[Rudolf]

[youtube]VgSMxY6asoE[/youtube]

^ That is amazing theme song. Rocky rocks!

 

[ivy]

everybody play nice please.

 

[L.T.D]

Good to see this is still going on, I was one of the biggest doubters and fought for weeks on end against these tracks but it didn't seem to be going anywhere. Well done to those who have carried it on all this time, the forum was an absolute mess when those songs came out and I haven't really been back much at all since.

I hope the truth comes out someday.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Good to see this is still going on, I was one of the biggest doubters and fought for weeks on end against these tracks but it didn't seem to be going anywhere. Well done to those who have carried it on all this time, the forum was an absolute mess when those songs came out and I haven't really been back much at all since.

I hope the truth comes out someday.

I remember you Welcome back LTD

 

[L.T.D]

I remember you Welcome back LTD

Thank you, I remember you as well

It was truly a horrible time, I remember waking up early to hear Breaking News on that day and just sat there astonished as soon as the vocals came in and I knew exactly what was going on right away. It was pure outrage for weeks and the forum was truly divided. I remember there was this thread and many other threads about it just dominating the top of the forum and it was horrible to see what the forum had turned into in that time from when the songs came out and the album came out.

It's still horrifying to me to see that people still believe these songs are Michael and although I haven't been contributing to the fight here much since, I have fought against it on youtube often since.

It still really gets to me that these songs are included in Michael's catalogue, it makes me sick when I search Spotify and these songs come up under Michael Jackson. I would be happy and willing to let it go if the songs were just forgotten about and future unreleased songs albums didn't feature any of the Cascio tracks.

If future releases do include any songs like the Cascio tracks, I believe the fight against this will be re-ignited and this time I for one wouldn't let it drop so easily.