Michael Jackson's mom talks about motherhood, family

In all fairness to KJ, she's not using MJ to promote that venture, at least not yet. Maybe the deal with the Estate last week has something to do with that.
As for Joe, I think the Estate should land very hard on him like a ton of bricks. I hope the Estate is aware of this and can take swift actions.
 
Legally speaking

As far as Katherine's flowers go, they are fine there's no mention of Michael or anything related to him.

As for the Joe Jackson's new line goes , the name "mystery" gave the impression that it was related to weisner - remember the mystery drink? I do not know about who controls the logo but Bravado is selling key chain with the same logo. so I really do not know. If you watch the video there's the use of "king of pop" and Joe's jacket has an image of Michael in it. If that's the clothing line they are talking about it could be problematic.

Annita, does Germany have an online copyright office that you can search the records? I'm seeing the logo has "all rights reserved" attached to it so it must be copyrighted somewhere.
 
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Legally speaking

As for the Joe Jackson's new line goes , the name "mystery" gave the impression that it was related to weisner - remember the mystery drink? I do not know about who controls the logo but Bravado is selling key chain with the same logo. so I really do not know. If you watch the video there's the use of "king of pop" and Joe's jacket has an image of Michael in it. If that's the clothing line they are talking about it could be problematic.

I can just picture the Estate filing an urgent application for an injunction soon. count 1,2,3...go.

Seems like spoke too early. Wieser is already facing investigation for Fraud in Germany. Here is the article detailing his dealings with MJ and the legal challenges he faces.


Part 1: Battle for Michael Jackson's Estate Hits Germany

German businessmen have become embroiled in a battle over money from the estate of the late pop legend Michael Jackson, who generated $310 million in revenues in the year after his death. At the center of the affair is the King of Pop's some-time manager from the town of Rodgau in Germany.


On the website of music manager Dieter Wiesner, Michael Jackson seems as full of life as ever. A multitude of colorful pictures show the singer alongside a tall, slightly heavily built German man from Rodgau near Frankfurt. "Wiesner worked with Jackson on the majority of all his concerts and in 2002 ... became Michael Jackson's personal manager," it says online.

At that point, Michael Jackson's best years were well behind him. "I took care of everything for Michael," Wiesner says today. "We weren't just business partners; we were also very, very good friends." The music manager says he even lived in his own guesthouse on Jackson's Neverland Ranch, near the children's train.
Michael Jackson died on June 25, 2009, leaving the justice system to deal with the pop star's glitzy world -- as well as a world of shadows in Rodgau.

Conrad Murray, Jackson's personal doctor, is facing trial in Los Angeles. The district attorney's office accused the doctor last May, in front of TV cameras, of having negligently caused the singer's death by prescribing Propofol and a cocktail of other sedatives.

Jackson's Global Brand

Public prosecutors in Frankfurt, meanwhile, are investigating Wiesner. A former German business partner claims Wiesner cheated his celebrity friend, and above all the business partner himself. He alleges that Wiesner illegally acquired rights to Michael Jackson's global brand name, purchased a decade ago by the German company MJ Net AG.
Wiesner met Jackson in 1994, when he got the singer interested in a peach-flavored energy drink called "MJ Mystery Drink." The music manager repeatedly managed to gain close access to the singer, who was increasingly known to be suffering from illness and prescription drug abuse. Wiesner eventually became Jackson's manager.

On Sept. 30, 2000, the Frankfurt-based company MJ Net Entertainment managed to obtain a licensing agreement with Jackson and his company Triumph International, possibly through Wiesner's intercession. The artist, a famous individual in the entertainment industry, wishes to produce and merchandise certain products which bear his name, his symbols, logos, brands, designs and images or photographs of him, the introduction to the contract states. MJ Net, as the license holder, the contract continues, retained the sole and unconditional right to enter into third-party contracts concerning production or matters relating to licensed products. Any T-shirts or other items bearing the artist's image would garner royalties for MJ Net and Jackson himself, according to the company's business plan, was to have a stake in the company.

The licensing agreement also drew interest in MJ Net from German Internet entrepreneur Klaus Landefeld, 42, who quickly discovered that contact with Jackson's company went through Wiesner. Landefeld couldn't believe his luck when Wiesner quickly obtained approval from Jackson's company that additionally allowed MJ Net the global online use of Jackson's name. Landefeld gave the company a loan and purchased a block of the company's shares from Jürgen Bachus, chairman of the board at MJ Net.

Part 2: A Short-Lived Euphoria

Several other private individuals in Germany invested as well, and Jackson's company, Triumph, reportedly received millions of dollars through the licensing agreement. The star was deeply in debt and could certainly have used the money at the time. It appears, though, that the whole business of royalties was never carried out entirely correctly. Signature Network, an American company, claimed similar rights -- apparently Jackson had sold off his rights at least twice.

"Bachus and Wiesner kept the difficulties with the licensing agreement from us for a long time," Landefeld says. Instead of informing Landefeld of the problems, Wiesner, now a board member at MJ Net, arranged a meeting between him and Jackson at the latter's hotel suite in the Waldorf Astoria in London in spring 2002. "The pop star came in without makeup, in his bathrobe," Landefeld remembers. "He ate a croissant and hugged Wiesner like an old friend." The entrepreneur, whose specialty is computer security, not show business, was relieved, imagining this meant his money was secure and Wiesner indeed had the star's trust.

That euphoria was short-lived. MJ Net had to be dissolved in 2004 and the district court in Frankfurt declined to open insolvency proceedings against MJ Net AG due to lack of sufficient assets. The company had made just €871 ($1,270) in revenue in 2002, according to an expert insolvency review.

The injured parties in Germany weren't willing to leave it at that, however. One of them pressed charges against Wiesner and his colleagues in 2005, for fraud and delaying insolvency proceedings. The courts were unable to ascertain whether fraud had occurred, but in January 2007, Wiesner was sentenced to a fine of €25 per day for 90 days, for delaying insolvency proceedings.

A 'Confidential Settlement Agreement'

It's unlikely the fine caused Wiesner many sleepless nights. After Jackson fired him as an advisor, Wiesner sued the musician and his company Triumph in a Los Angeles court, asserting his right to compensation for unpaid work performed in his role as manager and calculated that the pop star had received a total of $9 million from MJ Net under false pretenses. In the statement of his claim, Wiesner asserted that MJ Net had sold all rights, titles and shares of the agreement with Jackson to him before the suit was filed.

To settle the disagreement, both parties signed a confidential settlement agreement and mutual statement, not previously revealed to the public, on Sept. 14, 2007. With his large, looping signature, Jackson agreed to pay Wiesner a total of $3.48 million.

But the squabbling over the pop star's money first began in earnest after the singer's death -- Michael Jackson is one of the most lucrative deceased performers in the history of pop music, trailing only Elvis Presley and perhaps John Lennon. The two executors of his estate had officially earned $310 million by the end of 2010 and Sony alone paid $250 million for the right to release multiple new albums by the King of Pop in the coming years. More than 31 million records of the musician's music were sold in the 12 months following his death.

The matter of Michael Jackson's debts, amounting to over $400 million, hasn't been entirely resolved. The unwell artist had lost track of the situation by the end of his life. By late 2010, a total of $159 million had gone toward settling some of his debts and to an inheritance for Jackson's three children and his mother Katherine, who is now raising them.

Ongoing Investigations

The German investors didn't become aware of Wiesner's confidential deal until after the singer's death. "As a major shareholder of MJ Net AG, I never heard about or authorized relinquishing the rights," Landefeld says. Those rights were in fact the company's only assets, he adds.

Landefeld pressed fraud charges against Wiesner and Bachus through Frankfurt's public prosecutor and in the course of the proceedings was able to view his former business partner's criminal record. This shows that Wiesner had been convicted not only of delaying insolvency proceedings, but also other charges, including tax evasion and fraud. "Our investigations are still ongoing," states the Frankfurt prosecuting attorney in charge of the current case. The court is looking into whether to request legal assistance from the US or turn the proceedings over to the Americans entirely, because of possible false evidence given by Wiesner.

Wiesner himself prefers not to comment on the allegations. First he needs to travel abroad, he said in a short telephone conversation a couple weeks ago. His lawyer writes that the confidential agreement with Jackson doesn't affect MJ Net's rights. "Mr. Landefeld is not restricted in his rights or their implementation" and thus there is no basis for his legal complaints, according to the lawyer. In his legal action against Jackson, however, Wiesner claimed otherwise: He said that MJ Net sold, relinquished and conferred all rights, titles and shares of the agreement to Wiesner before bringing the suit.

Bachus, former chairman of the board at MJ Net AG, also declined to comment for this story, "since legal proceedings are still pending." Bachus filed a claim for $5 million with Jackson's executors in Los Angeles in March 2010. It seems the revenues created in the US by Jackson's tragic death won't let him rest either.

"The licensing rights we paid for are being unfairly exploited a second time," Landefeld believes.

source: http://www.spiegel.de/international/busine...,759033,00.html
 
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No offense, but Joe Jackson is one TACKY dude.

Joe Jackson Champagne. Now THAT'S mad funny!

I expect ALL of that stuff to find a place on the "Can't Sell" shelf, right next to the unsold cans of JOE COLA. LOL!
 
No offense, but Joe Jackson is one TACKY dude.

Joe Jackson Champagne. Now THAT'S mad funny!

I expect ALL of that stuff to find a place on the "Can't Sell" shelf, right next to the unsold cans of JOE COLA. LOL!

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@Annita

does Germany have an online copyright office that you can search the records? I'm seeing the logo has "all rights reserved" attached to it so it must be copyrighted somewhere.

Edited to add

I think you are right about the logo. As far as I can see Weisner lost the logo in 2003 to Wolfgang Rath. Wolfgang Rath sold it to a undisclosed person in 2006. UD group claims that they got the rights in September 2010. So it seems like they own the rights to the logo. However I tend to think this rights could be limited to Germany? The logo has been referred as the "German logo" and the spiegel article mentioning rights being sold to an American company as well. So Michael could have licensed the logo at different countries to different firms but then somehow lost the logo in Germany.
 
Is Bravado merchandise online because I would love a MJ logo key chain.
 
I still get shocked by his family's actions. I don't know why when I have seen the last 2 years. I am not interested in Joe Jackson ice cream.
 
I still get shocked by his family's actions. I don't know why when I have seen the last 2 years.

I feel the same way. I don't know why i'm still surprised by the things they do, but I am. It's weird.
 
In all fairness to KJ, she's not using MJ to promote that venture, at least not yet.

Well...kinda sorta! She is using the fact that she is Michael Jackson mom to get people interested in her flowers! There no denying that! It maybe isn't legal but, it's just as tacky and annoying as what Joe is doing IMO!

None of them had these type of ideas going on until MJ died (well maybe Joe) simply because they would have never dared, which says a lot and frankly I'm sick of it!

But, it's cool they won't be getting my money! Find another fool!:hysterical:
 
Well...kinda sorta! She is using the fact that she is Michael Jackson mom to get people interested in her flowers! There no denying that! It maybe isn't legal but, it's just as tacky and annoying as what Joe is doing IMO!

None of them had these type of ideas going on until MJ died (well maybe Joe) simply because they would have never dared, which says a lot and frankly I'm sick of it!

But, it's cool they won't be getting my money! Find another fool!:hysterical:
This is not true. They tried ventures when MJ was alive including the restaurant Katherine's here in L.A. some people just didn't notice or want to notice. It is perfectly fine for Katherine to want to leave money to her family and this is not working against the estate.
 
^^They won't be getting my money either, although I love flowers and the MJ logo. Now if the Estate comes out with some Michael products, I will be going shopping!
 
^^They won't be getting my money either, although I love flowers and the MJ logo. Now if the Estate comes out with some Michael products, I will be going shopping!
you have that right but to say they did nothing while MJ was alive is false information. I like the flower idea but the only collection I like is the Dynasty and I don't think Forest Lawn would deliver it to Michael from outside source.
 
Oh okay katherine tried to do things when he was alive too! I always noticed Joe not his mom, all I remember from her was a book! Either, way that don't take away the fact they they are still using him as prey! Which is my point!
 
No offense, but Joe Jackson is one TACKY dude.

Joe Jackson Champagne. Now THAT'S mad funny!

I expect ALL of that stuff to find a place on the "Can't Sell" shelf, right next to the unsold cans of JOE COLA. LOL!

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Oh okay katherine tried to do things when he was alive too! I always noticed Joe not his mom, all I remember from her was a book! Either, way that don't take away the fact they they are still using him as prey! Which is my point!
Well. I guess. Lol. I want them to succeed but respect MJ in the process. Respect his memory, legacy and wishes. I hope Katherine is trying to do this by either working with the estate or working on her own projects. We shouldn't hate on her for that? Personally I would just like to see her sit back and relax :)
 
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Katherine Jackson poses for a portrait in Calabasas, Calif., Wednesday, April 27, 2011. Jackson is lending her name and floral tastes to arrangements being sold online in a venture that provides her some peace-of-mind in advance of the upcoming trial for the doctor accused of her son Michael Jackson's death.
 
this is same story i found today in my newspaper :)


Katherine Jackson finds solace in flowers

Upcoming trial of doctor charged in son’s death leaves her with ‘mixed emotions’


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Katherine Jackson Katherine Jackson is lending her name and floral tastes to arrangements being sold online in a venture that provides her some peace-of-mind in advance of the upcoming trial for the doctor accused of her son Michael Jackson's death. Matt Sayles/The Associated Press





CALABASAS, CALIF. — Katherine Jackson isn’t looking forward to the upcoming trial of the doctor charged in connection with her son’s death. She says the pain of his loss nearly two years ago remains and the potential punishment for the physician doesn’t seem like it’s nearly enough.
The matriarch of one of music’s most famous families isn’t planning any special preparations for the daily trek to a downtown Los Angeles courtroom where the trial begins May 9, but she says she’ll rely on her faith to carry her through.
“I have mixed emotions,” she told The Associated Press in an interview this week. “Sometimes I think why have a trial if ... the maximum sentence is only four years.”
She has not spoken to Dr. Conrad Murray, who has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter, although she has seen him often from her seat at pretrial hearings in the case.
“I’ll be there, but it just hurts me because my son is gone and for forever and this man is trying to get away and get off,” she said. “He needs to be punished.”
Katherine Jackson spoke at her new hilltop house in Calabasas, a community 10 miles west of the Jackson’s longtime San Fernando Valley home, which is being renovated. White roses have been planted to be seen when looking out the back windows into the valley below, and flower beds line the walkways and the outside of the house — one of the requests Jackson said she made for the property when she arrived.
Flowers have always been a source of joy for the soft-spoken woman in her 80s, prompting smiles and excited descriptions of her favourite plants and blooms.
She recently extended her floral passion beyond her own garden, consulting on and endorsing a line of floral arrangements being sold online. Jackson said she hopes the venture will help others show their love for one another.
“I think flowers speak a thousand words,” she said with a smile.
The retailer, sendherflowers.com, is hoping the $49 US-and-up arrangements with names such as “Precious,” “Field of Love” and “Dynasty” will be a hit for Mother’s Day. And Jackson hopes people will use them for any occasion, with plans to change the arrangements through the seasons.
As a devout Jehovah’s Witness, Katherine Jackson does not celebrate Mother’s Day or many of the holidays that prompt people to buy flowers. But her famous children still send Mom bouquets with some of her favourite blooms, including tulips and azaleas.
“They know I don’t celebrate all the holidays, but they send them anyway,” she said.
Her son Michael would send her flowers at least once a month, she said, including a large arrangement after his acquittal on child molestation charges in 2005.
In the days after his death, flowers poured into the family’s home and Katherine Jackson says they carried with them a message she immediately understood and appreciated — she was not alone.
“They felt my pain,” she said of the outpouring from fans and supporters. “It meant a lot to me. And at that time, I needed all of that to know the world was with me, the world felt my pain.”
Her son’s death at age 50 has thrust Katherine Jackson back into the role of mother. She is the guardian and caretaker of the singer’s three children, who range in ages from nine to 14.
Raising children in the internet age poses a whole new set of challenges, she said, but her strategy hasn’t changed. She said she still believes you have to show children respect, keep promises and give them spiritual grounding.
“Raise them with a conscience,” she said.
Discipline is key, but she adheres to a simple philosophy — “Discipline with love.” It was a lesson she said her son Michael apparently heeded.
After the singer’s death, Katherine Jackson went to his home to clean up. There, she found several reminders he had scribbled to himself.
“He had notes around,” she recalled. They read “Discipline with love.”

http://www.therecord.com/living/article/523571--katherine-jackson-finds-solace-in-flowers
 
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