Bingo. And I love how RF is suddenly the "trusted" source for news when 10 days ago he was on the ish list. And how, based on RF's word (RF, really?), 3T are now the bad guys for being able to hear non-MJ vocals, which at least half the fans also hear. As a fan community we've never questioned vocals like this on MJ tracks before. We all hear him clearly on Hold My Hand. It's always been plainly him when it's him, yet half hear an impersonator (not because of 3T or LaToya, lol :rolleyes2:, but because that's what they HEAR). And the latter group simply must be wrong because RF and attorneys and sources that no one really trusted just 10 days ago say so? RF has been pushing this "3T is jealous" story since the beginning of all this. It's all rather suspect to me. Where do you think RF and TMZ get info and why do they write what they write? Out of the goodness of their hearts? Or for the money handed to them for advertising and PR purposes (for good or for evil, depending)? Just saying. It's like going from Tabloid Junkie to "We love you, RF! Big sloppy wet kiss! " because he says what people want to believe. I'm not saying this for some "haha, you're all gonna feel bad when this or that comes out..." blah blah. I'm so sick of that. I'm not against any of you. I thought we were all together in our love for Michael and our wishes that his legacy shines.
I just don't see how tabloid and gossip "journalism" has suddenly become the source of truth. Michael warned of that over and over and over. -_-^^^
h34r:But didn't your source say that only 50% were Michael?
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See, to me that says the opposite when you put everything together. It sounds like that's when they found out these tracks were going on the album. Cory Rooney said that Taryll had been in the room when the tracks were initially listened to, so he at least had heard the vocals before and expressed his concerns. At some point later the tracklist decision was made. Smooth kept telling us the tracklist wasn't final, wasn't final... so the decision was made not long ago. Jackie tweeted last week that he and McClain had been fighting for two weeks before BN streamed to get Sony to omit the Cascio tracks because of the vocals. Sounds like they all found out about two weeks beforehand and were like, "Huh?!" :blink: That's about the point 3T started tweeting and soon after that RF started busting on them with the "jealous" stories (which honestly, to me make no sense ... it's like the type of backstabbing gossip that goes around high schools and offices ...and tabloids). Sounds like someone's getting some nice pay and/or goodies handed to them to help destroy the family's credibility.
Could easily be an inside source that knew the family was going to be pissed when they heard what was on the tracklist and so quickly took action to discredit the objections, too. None of us know for certain, of course.
I didn't say no one was infighting or that no one ever had a disagreement or that McClain is our #1 buddy. Nothing is ever totally black and white. People are all a shade of gray. And of course Roger is right about some things. As is News of the World, The Sun, you name it. If they weren't, then no one would read anything they wrote! If the rumors weren't sometimes true, no one would listen to rumors. That's how they continue to operate as they do; provide enough real info to get readers and advertisers and then toss whatever else you want into the mix to shock and thrill your market, like from "anonymous sources", of which YOU could be one easily... just make something up and call up The Sun. Lots and lots of PR for and against stars, movies, politicians are fed to them daily via personal agents and companies just like Sony. There's a great documentary called 'Starsuckers' I can recommend that shows you some of the tactics and how much they lap up whatever they can print (as if MJ fans should need a documentary to point out the treachery, but anyway). Overall, I don't trust RF half far as I could throw him ... and that's probably only a few inches, lol. And don't forget, up until the day the tracklist was publically released he was telling us there were 12 tracks on the album. Ooops! But it's quite easy to make something up to cover for that little boo-boo ... "oh, ummm.... they decided to leave 2 songs off." Sure, Roger, right again. :smilerolleyes:
Lots of people's songs weren't included. No LaToya songs were included either. Is that why she said it's not MJ? As I said, this is like backstabbing gossip in a catty office. If I wanted to make up things about you (if I worked with you, knew you, etc) it wouldn't be that tough. I'm sure you've expressed a negative opinion about someone at some point or had a little quarrel over something. There's got to be someone out there who doesn't like you and thinks you suck (when it could be they who actually suck, lol) and would love to tell their story about what a bad guy/gal you are. That's life, unfortunately. It's then easy to use any of those as "reasons" in a current argument. I don't know Taryll, of course. I'm guessing no one in this thread does. If we're looking at merit, though, he certainly rates higher on my list than Roger Friedman.
I said Weitzman. He alone is not the estate. And yes, it's true, the family has been against the executors from day one. Why? I was one of the first to assume greed (especially when a couple of them are concerned, :girl_whistle:, and I'm pretty sure that's still accurate, ahem :Joe: - sorry, had to sneeze), but is that all of them? Do we hate everyone? Katherine? Jackie? The kids? Everyone? Do we believe those behind the scenes who were able to convince most of the world that MJ bleached his skin and molested children can't do something way simpler like make one of the good guys look greedy, jealous and God knows what else? That sounds pretty easy by comparison. And the perfect way to do this is ... use the media, of course (especially tabloid and gossip sites). Those who tried to destroy MJ have more money than you, I or the Jacksons can even dream of and they know how to use it to target anyone in the way of their agenda. And no, the Jacksons haven't done themselves any favors over the years, I'll freely admit. :doh: But I think there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than just "RF says this, so it's gotta be true".
I agree with youCould easily be an inside source that knew the family was going to be pissed when they heard what was on the tracklist and so quickly took action to discredit the objections, too. None of us know for certain, of course.
I didn't say no one was infighting or that no one ever had a disagreement or that McClain is our #1 buddy. Nothing is ever totally black and white. People are all a shade of gray. And of course Roger is right about some things. As is News of the World, The Sun, you name it. If they weren't, then no one would read anything they wrote! If the rumors weren't sometimes true, no one would listen to rumors. That's how they continue to operate as they do; provide enough real info to get readers and advertisers and then toss whatever else you want into the mix to shock and thrill your market, like from "anonymous sources", of which YOU could be one easily... just make something up and call up The Sun. Lots and lots of PR for and against stars, movies, politicians are fed to them daily via personal agents and companies just like Sony. There's a great documentary called 'Starsuckers' I can recommend that shows you some of the tactics and how much they lap up whatever they can print (as if MJ fans should need a documentary to point out the treachery, but anyway). Overall, I don't trust RF half far as I could throw him ... and that's probably only a few inches, lol. And don't forget, up until the day the tracklist was publically released he was telling us there were 12 tracks on the album. Ooops! But it's quite easy to make something up to cover for that little boo-boo ... "oh, ummm.... they decided to leave 2 songs off." Sure, Roger, right again. :smilerolleyes:
Lots of people's songs weren't included. No LaToya songs were included either. Is that why she said it's not MJ? As I said, this is like backstabbing gossip in a catty office. If I wanted to make up things about you (if I worked with you, knew you, etc) it wouldn't be that tough. I'm sure you've expressed a negative opinion about someone at some point or had a little quarrel over something. There's got to be someone out there who doesn't like you and thinks you suck (when it could be they who actually suck, lol) and would love to tell their story about what a bad guy/gal you are. That's life, unfortunately. It's then easy to use any of those as "reasons" in a current argument. I don't know Taryll, of course. I'm guessing no one in this thread does. If we're looking at merit, though, he certainly rates higher on my list than Roger Friedman.
I said Weitzman. He alone is not the estate. And yes, it's true, the family has been against the executors from day one. Why? I was one of the first to assume greed (especially when a couple of them are concerned, :girl_whistle:, and I'm pretty sure that's still accurate, ahem :Joe: - sorry, had to sneeze), but is that all of them? Do we hate everyone? Katherine? Jackie? The kids? Everyone? Do we believe those behind the scenes who were able to convince most of the world that MJ bleached his skin and molested children can't do something way simpler like make one of the good guys look greedy, jealous and God knows what else? That sounds pretty easy by comparison. And the perfect way to do this is ... use the media, of course (especially tabloid and gossip sites). Those who tried to destroy MJ have more money than you, I or the Jacksons can even dream of and they know how to use it to target anyone in the way of their agenda. And no, the Jacksons haven't done themselves any favors over the years, I'll freely admit. :doh: But I think there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than just "RF says this, so it's gotta be true".
Yeah, people like Quincy and Seth would be wonderful to hear from, I totally agree! Where are they, geez? (As long as they're not currently on a Sony project, lol. Then I might not have so much faith. :cheeky
Guys, I'm not saying I have all the answers, but just that it's disturbing at how quickly MJ fans (of ALL people) have turned on even the 3T guys to put those we know to be snakes up on a pedestal. (Sorry, that was an insult to most reptiles. :lol
