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OnOurWay said:
No prescription drug is ever addictive to my knowledge. It only become a dependency when the user needs it for basic human function such as sleeping, eating, walking, etc. Indeed you are right. Facts speak for themselves.
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I see where you are coming from, but I have to slightly disagree on this point. Michael was not taking Propofol all the time. If he did he wouldn't need someone to help give it to him or watch him. From what we know, he only used it when he needed to sleep.

According to those who worked for him, it was not odd to see Michael walking at 4am in the morning. Even during the trial when he had to wake up at 7am. So, I don't think he formed dependency on Propofol since he was not using it all the time.


But, this has gotten way off topic and we will know more in time.
 
Michael had a drug problem, he for sure tried to "FOOL" himself, saying it was nothing, that it was just for sleeping, the PROBLEM WAS THAT NOONE IN HIS INNER CIRCLE TOLD HIM.... he was surronded by the wrong people, wrong advisers...

HE DID had a drug addiction problem to prescription drugs and a MUCH HARDER ADICCTION TO ANESTHESIA.

MICHAEL thought he was well taken care, that i can assure you all, he loved his children an he loved life and to create and to live, he was always surrended by doctors cause he cared for himself cause again, obviously he wanted to live..., is not like he was all crazy and if he was sometimes a bit distracted, which he was at times, nothing overreacted though, but he would look DISTRACTED, BUT there is a man behind that and he is Arnie K.... this A.K will just sedate Michael... see Michael's problem was that he trusted... and he trusted THE WRONG people,

and Murray, Murray was not a qualified doctor, and i wont say much, but i will say, and this wont change in MY MIND, this was not a MISTAKE... there is something else here, someone else behind Murray...

Now I do know he had this problem since as early as 1997... dont forget the song Morphine some people seem to forget about it... some fans in denial seem to forget it as well...., MICHAEL was asking for help there, it was a clear cry for help, NOONE SEEMED or WANTED TO HEAR.



I admit, its hard for me to understand how noone knew how DEEP the problem was, I know every family is a world, but is very hard for me to understand it....

But i will say that Michael WAS stubborn, he was, as every genius, they are like that... see through history... Michael was no exception.
He was a good good good man but he wasnt perfect.

back to Janet, she is the only member I have respect for in that family as well as Katherine and OF COURSE Michael's kids, but the others, im sorry, i wont lie.
 
FedoraHatGirl2058 said:
Michael had a drug problem, he for sure tried to "FOOL" himself, saying it was nothing, that it was just for sleeping, the PROBLEM WAS THAT NOONE IN HIS INNER CIRCLE TOLD HIM.... he was surronded by the wrong people, wrong advisers...

HE DID had a drug addiction problem to prescription drugs and a MUCH HARDER ADICCTION TO ANESTHESIA.

MICHAEL thought he was well taken care, that i can assure you all, he loved his children an he loved life and to create and to live, he was always surrended by doctors cause he cared for himself cause again, obviously he wanted to live..., is not like he was all crazy and if he was sometimes a bit distracted, which he was at times, nothing overreacted though, but he would look DISTRACTED, BUT there is a man behind that and he is Arnie K.... this A.K will just sedate Michael... see Michael's problem was that he trusted... and he trusted THE WRONG people,

and Murray, Murray was not a qualified doctor, and i wont say much, but i will say, and this wont change in MY MIND, this was not a MISTAKE... there is something else here, someone else behind Murray...

Now I do know he had this problem since as early as 1997... dont forget the song Morphine some people seem to forget about it... some fans in denial seem to forget it as well...., MICHAEL was asking for help there, it was a clear cry for help, NOONE SEEMED or WANTED TO HEAR.



I admit, its hard for me to understand how noone knew how DEEP the problem was, I know every family is a world, but is very hard for me to understand it....

But i will say that Michael WAS stubborn, he was, as every genius, they are like that... see through history... Michael was no exception.
He was a good good good man but he wasnt perfect.

back to Janet, she is the only member I have respect for in that family as well as Katherine and OF COURSE Michael's kids, but the others, im sorry, i wont lie.
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He went to rehab in 93 for a problem with drugs. Morphine was release in 97, so as far as you know he was singing about his stay in rehab in 93. Since it takes him several years to release an album the song itself could had been written in 94 as far as you know. So saying that the song was a cry for help is a stretch. Also, people don't write songs for a cry for help, especially a song that was 12 years old when he died, which were not even from painkillers like the song is talking about.

You also know nothing of Propofol abuse and addiction, so please educate yourself before saying he was addicted to ANESTHESIA.


Because propofol is such a short-acting substance, heavy abusers must inject it frequently to stay high—as many as 50 to 100 times during a using session is not unheard of.

Unlike abusers of alcohol or most other substances, propofol addicts are unable to function on the job, said Paul Earley, MD, medical director of the Talbott Recovery Campus, an addiction rehabilitation facility in Atlanta that specializes in treating doctors and other healthcare providers.

“It’s not a subtle drug,” Dr. Earley said. “It’s not like fentanyl or narcotics, where you can be slightly inebriated on the drug and even show up for work. Most of the time, you inject it and pass out.”


Michael was functional unlike others who actually abuse or are addicted to propofol. He also did not inject himself 100+ times. People get addicted to the 'feeling' they get when they wake, not from the actually drug itself. Also, if he did abuse propofol for years he would had died of Chronic Propofol Intoxication because it slowly poison your organs. His organs and heart were healthy, so his suppose drug problems were never that serious. Otherwise, it would had shown, even if he quit cold turkey 20 years ago.

This is not about Michael being perfect. This is about people not doing their homework and making assumptions about Michael drug problem. Do your research before labeling someone an addiction.


Here is the link so you can read it yourself:

http://www.anesthesiologynews.com/index.asp?ses=ogst&section_id=1&show=dept&article_id=7579
 
FedoraHatGirl2058 said:
Michael had a drug problem, he for sure tried to "FOOL" himself, saying it was nothing, that it was just for sleeping, the PROBLEM WAS THAT NOONE IN HIS INNER CIRCLE TOLD HIM.... he was surronded by the wrong people, wrong advisers...

HE DID had a drug addiction problem to prescription drugs and a MUCH HARDER ADICCTION TO ANESTHESIA.

MICHAEL thought he was well taken care, that i can assure you all, he loved his children an he loved life and to create and to live, he was always surrended by doctors cause he cared for himself cause again, obviously he wanted to live..., is not like he was all crazy and if he was sometimes a bit distracted, which he was at times, nothing overreacted though, but he would look DISTRACTED, BUT there is a man behind that and he is Arnie K.... this A.K will just sedate Michael... see Michael's problem was that he trusted... and he trusted THE WRONG people,

and Murray, Murray was not a qualified doctor, and i wont say much, but i will say, and this wont change in MY MIND, this was not a MISTAKE... there is something else here, someone else behind Murray...

Now I do know he had this problem since as early as 1997... dont forget the song Morphine some people seem to forget about it... some fans in denial seem to forget it as well...., MICHAEL was asking for help there, it was a clear cry for help, NOONE SEEMED or WANTED TO HEAR.



I admit, its hard for me to understand how noone knew how DEEP the problem was, I know every family is a world, but is very hard for me to understand it....

But i will say that Michael WAS stubborn, he was, as every genius, they are like that... see through history... Michael was no exception.
He was a good good good man but he wasnt perfect.

back to Janet, she is the only member I have respect for in that family as well as Katherine and OF COURSE Michael's kids, but the others, im sorry, i wont lie.
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Even IF Michael had a drug addiction that was not what caused his napping. I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand that. People keep bringing up the "painkiller addiction" yet you have no "proof" that he still had an addiction to painkillers. Again, even "if" he did still had an addiction to painkillers, that was NOT the cause of his napping.

Take a look at the autopsy report. Michael's napping was caused by an overdose of propofol mixed with other sedatives. I highly doubt Michael asked for that propofol in the early well it wasn't really "early" according to Murray's timeline. But w.e. I highly doubt that Michael would have asked for Propofol because the other sedatives would have put him to sleep or at least made him drousy. Or he could have even been already gone. You can't be "addicted" to anesthesia. In time you could only grow a "tolerance" for it. But you can't become "addicted." Another thing, if Michael was such an "addict" to painkillers and anesthesia, then why were his organs good?

And yes, I know Michael wasn't perfect. He's a human being and no human is perfect.
 
IMO I don't want Janet to represent Michael. She never wanted to be in Michael's shadow, she always wanted to be her own person, that's why she never wanted to use her lastname on CDs in the first place. She wanted the people to like her, and not because she is a Jackson.

I think your idea is sweet and if I'd be selfish (I'm not claiming that you are) I would want the same thing, but since I know she always wanted to be appreciated for herself I think it's not a good idea for her.

And just a general comment on addicts - I don't want to join the discussion about Michael being an addict or not - but there's one thing that bothers me when people say that you can push an addict to be 'clean' again. It is not that easy and in fact it's not possible if the person doesn't want it on their own. It simply doesn't work. You can't force an addict, even love doesn't help because then the person takes drugs secretly. I had an addict as boyfriend (soft & hard drugs), my friend had one (hard drugs) and some of my family. I have seen it many years and you can't help an addict if he/she doesn't want it. - End of OT -
 
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FedoraHatGirl2058 said:
Michael had a drug problem, he for sure tried to "FOOL" himself, saying it was nothing, that it was just for sleeping, the PROBLEM WAS THAT NOONE IN HIS INNER CIRCLE TOLD HIM.... he was surronded by the wrong people, wrong advisers...

HE DID had a drug addiction problem to prescription drugs and a MUCH HARDER ADICCTION TO ANESTHESIA.

MICHAEL thought he was well taken care, that i can assure you all, he loved his children an he loved life and to create and to live, he was always surrended by doctors cause he cared for himself cause again, obviously he wanted to live..., is not like he was all crazy and if he was sometimes a bit distracted, which he was at times, nothing overreacted though, but he would look DISTRACTED, BUT there is a man behind that and he is Arnie K.... this A.K will just sedate Michael... see Michael's problem was that he trusted... and he trusted THE WRONG people,

and Murray, Murray was not a qualified doctor, and i wont say much, but i will say, and this wont change in MY MIND, this was not a MISTAKE... there is something else here, someone else behind Murray...

Now I do know he had this problem since as early as 1997... dont forget the song Morphine some people seem to forget about it... some fans in denial seem to forget it as well...., MICHAEL was asking for help there, it was a clear cry for help, NOONE SEEMED or WANTED TO HEAR.



I admit, its hard for me to understand how noone knew how DEEP the problem was, I know every family is a world, but is very hard for me to understand it....

But i will say that Michael WAS stubborn, he was, as every genius, they are like that... see through history... Michael was no exception.
He was a good good good man but he wasnt perfect.

back to Janet, she is the only member I have respect for in that family as well as Katherine and OF COURSE Michael's kids, but the others, im sorry, i wont lie.
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had to come back after seeing that you gave me a lovely reputation :)

lets not forgot his inner circle includes his family. yes whole family. like you've said didn't Mike have this huge drug addiction since like a long long time ago?? :)

thank you for proving my point about the lack of love, sweetheart.

and please do explain or summarize the lyrics/the meaning of the song morphine. please go on. please tell me what that song is saying. how was he asking for help? please dissect the lyrics for me.

you seem like you knew mike so much.
oh please wasn't it only 2 weeks ago that you just found out he used propofol during the HIStory tour by some member in this forum.

EVEN. even if he was an a drug addict, he did not napped because of that.
it's like saying someone who was a hardcore alcoholic got shot in the head and everyone just laid back and said "oh it was because he's an alcoholic"
 
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FunkeyJay said:
IMO I don't want Janet to represent Michael. She never wanted to be in Michael's shadow, she always wanted to be her own person, that's why she never wanted to use her lastname on CDs in the first place. She wanted the people to like her, and not because she is a Jackson.

I think your idea is sweet and if I'd be selfish (I'm not claiming that you are) I would want the same thing, but since I know she always wanted to be appreciated for herself I think it's not a good idea for her.

And just a general comment on addicts - I don't want to join the discussion about Michael being an addict or not - but there's one thing that bothers me when people say that you can push an addict to be 'clean' again. It is not that easy and in fact it's not possible if the person doesn't want it on their own. It simply doesn't work. You can't force an addict, even love doesn't help because then the person takes drugs secretly. I had an addict as boyfriend (soft drugs), my friend had one (hard drugs) and some of my family. I have seen it many years and you can't help an addict if he/she doesn't want it. - End of OT -
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That is true and I completely agree. The problem comes, however, is that if Michael really was completely wasted they could of taking his kid. I mean, he had a person who devoted years trying to take his kids and dug any dirt on Michael. She went as far as to call Michael a drunk, because he drank wine from a coke can. I think if Michael was getting wasted on drugs all the time, this person would had found it.

They also called him a great father. A drug addict can't be a great father, sorry. Addiction is a very selfish disease and cares nothing for kids. So, you see how being an addict and a great father cannot really co-exist.
 
FunkeyJay said:
IMO I don't want Janet to represent Michael. She never wanted to be in Michael's shadow, she always wanted to be her own person, that's why she never wanted to use her lastname on CDs in the first place. She wanted the people to like her, and not because she is a Jackson.

I think your idea is sweet and if I'd be selfish (I'm not claiming that you are) I would want the same thing, but since I know she always wanted to be appreciated for herself I think it's not a good idea for her.

And just a general comment on addicts - I don't want to join the discussion about Michael being an addict or not - but there's one thing that bothers me when people say that you can push an addict to be 'clean' again. It is not that easy and in fact it's not possible if the person doesn't want it on their own. It simply doesn't work. You can't force an addict, even love doesn't help because then the person takes drugs secretly. I had an addict as boyfriend (soft & hard drugs), my friend had one (hard drugs) and some of my family. I have seen it many years and you can't help an addict if he/she doesn't want it. - End of OT -
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i don't think that any real addict would want help to begin with, because they believe they are fine, that they can handle it. that's when you have to punch them in the head (not literally) but force/take action to bring them to their sense. but when it came to mike it's was prescription addiction (no, i don't believe in addict shyt story btw) which i believe have higher rate of becoming sober than other drug addiction.
 
MicHil said:
i don't think that any real addict would want help, because they believe they are fine, that they can handle it. that's when you have to punch them in the head (not literally) but force/take action to bring them to their sense. but when it came to mike it's was prescription addiction (no, i don't believe in addict shyt story btw) which i believe have higher rate of becoming sober than other drugs.
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Force action doesn't help. Expierenced that and it can help for several weeks but addicts fall back into the routine. I have also get to known addicts that are aware of their addiction and would like to quit but are too lazy to take any steps.

So, you see how being an addict and a great father cannot really co-exist.
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That's true.
 
FunkeyJay said:
Force action doesn't help. Expierenced that and it can help for several weeks but addicts fall back into the routine. I have also get to known addicts that are aware of their addiction and would like to quit but are too lazy to take any steps.
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i can see where you are coming from.

of course force action would not work for everyone though but it doesn't mean it's not worth a try and keep trying.

i won't go into my personal addictions but i based that upon personal experiences as well.
 
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MicHil said:
i can see where you are coming from.

of course force action would not work for everyone though but it doesn't mean it's not worth a try and keep trying.

i won't go into my personal addictions but i based that upon personal experiences as well.
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Yes, as I mentioned I saw a lot, but I had no personal addication except of cigarettes, god thanks.

Of course, you always try because you love someone, but it can also happen that an addict ends the contact/ breaks the relationship/ etc because the person is tired of hearing it, because in the end addicts do not care much about others help if they are totally into drugs. But sometimes persons that care about an addict can end the contact as well because the person itself perish because of the addicts behaviour / treatment. It's a very complicated subject, you need a lot patient, understandig and love but at the same time it can drive you insane.
 
FunkeyJay said:
Yes, as I mentioned I saw a lot, but I had no personal addication except of cigarettes, god thanks.

Of course, you always try because you love someone, but it can also happen that an addict ends the contact/ breaks the relationship/ etc because the person is tired of hearing it, because in the end addicts do not care much about others help if they are totally into drugs. But sometimes persons that care about an addict can end the contact as well because the person itself perish because of the addicts behaviour / treatment. It's a very complicated subject, you need a lot patient, understandig and love but at the same time it can drive you insane.
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From what I understand of addiction, if you invest too much into an addict you risk becoming a co-dependance and making yourself sick.

For an addiction, the best way to save them is to completely cut them off and take any children away for the situation. When I say cut off I mean don't take their calls, don't them visit you or their kids unless it is to go to rehab. For most parents, losing their kids are their bottom and they are more likely to get help.

However, since the Jacksons did none of that and even call him a great father, it makes me wonder if they really believe he was an addict or just might be taking one too many drugs by shady doctors. If they did and they did not remove those kids, then they are enablers just like his handlers. There is no real nice way to put it.
 
Ramona122003 said:
From what I understand of addiction, if you invest too much into an addict you risk becoming a co-dependance and making yourself sick.

For an addiction, the best way to save them is to completely cut them off and take any children away for the situation. When I say cut off I mean don't take their calls, don't them visit you or their kids unless it is to go to rehab. For most parents, losing their kids are their bottom and they are more likely to get help.

However, since the Jacksons did none of that and even call him a great father, it makes me wonder if they really believe he was an addict or just might be taking one too many drugs by shady doctors. If they did and they did not remove those kids, then they are enablers just like his handlers. There is no real nice way to put it.
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Even if it sounds harsh to people who have no expierence with drug addicts, that's the way to handle them. I agree with you. People always try so hard and it litteraly makes them sick being with them under the same roof and I think they are not to blame if they let them down (which it is not!) because addicts need professional help and not be pampered around. It is really difficult to explain to someone who has no expierence because at first everyone tries and many people try to tell you to leave that person for your own sake but you don't understand how cold they can be. To cut a long story short, I agree with you Ramona.
 
I see some of you are in more denial than Michael was. :lol:

Wasn't he addicted to pain killers during the Dangerous Tour? Pain killers are a drug. Hence, an addiction to a drug. But I'm sure in the eyes of the delusional, they were just so he could perform and he was never addicted.

Some of you are too easy to fool

*plays "Tabloid Junkie"*
 
^^^
yes its true, some are very much in denial, all the way..., i wouldnt laugh though, I would have given part of my life for Michael to live at least 5 more years... :(
 
OnOurWay said:
I see some of you are in more denial than Michael was. :lol:

Wasn't he addicted to pain killers during the Dangerous Tour? Pain killers are a drug. Hence, an addiction to a drug. But I'm sure in the eyes of the delusional, they were just so he could perform and he was never addicted.

Some of you are too easy to fool

*plays "Tabloid Junkie"*
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Yes, because painkillers was the thing that lead to his death. Afterall, his stomach was filled with them when he died. Although by your statement, everyone who take painkillers much be an addict because it is a drug. :smilerolleyes:

Past addiction had no merit on his death because he was addicted to painkiller and none were found in his stomach. I don't see what is so hard to grasp about that. He also was not addicted to the drug that killed him because he didn't inject himself 100+ times.

I think you and others are the one in 'denial' of common science because the Jacksons said he was an addict, he must of been one even though his was perfectly healthy with no organ damage.

Sorry, and addicts don't have healthy organs in the real world.
 
Don't bother Ramona, she is a known Janet worshiper and Michael Jackson hater for years on other boards.
 
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qbee said:
Im sorry but I have to call you out _ that just NASTY and MEAN ..
and NOT welcome here ..


and Ill add to that reply _ mean and hateful to say she didnt care to save her brothers life
WTF _ That's a dispicaple attack full of HATE _ and NOT true in any way

HATEful statements like that kill MJ's legacy being carried on from the fans
With fans like you he doesnt need enemy's
Arrcking his sister in this manner is NOT standing up for Michael or protecting
or carrying on the legacy he left ..

You have no reason or right to say that
why would you even think such a thing_
Man you make me CRY _
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88, hun u r 100% right, I can't understand why you just said that. I love MJ to the fullest just like all of you, but that man was 50 and you are acting like died with crack or any other drug that people are most are likely to die from. This man was trying to rest get some sleep, SLEEP!!!!
What i'm trying to say is you need to stop blaming everyone you can for his death, That DR. is who you need to blame for his death.
 
Ramona122003 said:
They saw him a month before he die and no one brought up any drug problem. Joe saw him two weeks before his death and all he talked about was dollars and pounds. Janet also fail to say when they tried to help him and when this suppose drug problem happen. So at best, the whole we tried everything is a little foggy.

As I have said before, he was not an addict. He had a sleeping problem which he tried to ease with medication. If he could sleep without drugs, he would of had done it. The drug that killed him is not addicted in the same way painkillers are and he showed no signs of symptoms of Propofol. If he was addict to it, he would had been almost none functional and self injecting himself 100+ times a day. Janet obviously knows nothing of Propofol addiction and seems to assume it is like any other drug you develop a dependancy to, which is not true.

Michael has also been blocking his family for years, given how Joe and his brothers act I can't blame him. It was hardly his security blocking them since Michael has shown himself that if he wanted to see them, he would. Janet herself didn't try to call him in two years, so she obviously was not that worried about him.

Also, healthy organs and a strong heart says he was not a strung out, long term addict.
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I didn't say Michael died because he was an addict, I know he didn't cause i saw him enough times with my own eyes while he was here in London for the press conference.
All i was referring to was someones comment who said Janet didn't care about him so i made the point that the family tried to intervene, whether that be recenty or more likely during Invincible era when everyone could see he had a problem.
As for people talking about Michael & Janet's relationship, No-one knows what went on and how often they saw/spoke to eachother.
 
he had a problem, Insomnia, i have insomnia, not at his level, (thanks God, i hope it does not get harder, or i will die) i will give EVERYTHING to sleep, i understand Michael trying whatever his "good doctors" would "offer" him...
Those doctors would just dope him, he wouldnt even know it, he would just, in his desperate ways BELIEVE IN THEM AND CAUSE THEY ARE DOCTORS, OF COURSE, MICHAEL BELIEVED THEM.... they would just say "take these, it will make you sleep and will not hurt you" thats obscure, thats playing with a mans life....

those doctors are garbage people who only wanted his money and deserve PUNISHMENT for they have KILLED A MAN.

They could have affected him a bit, he could have been at the verge of death and we could have been adviced and HE COULD HAVE SURVIVED, he would be ALIVE NOW...., BUT I DO THINK HE WAS AT THE VERGE OF DEATH MANY TIMES.... many times, and those doctors knew all this, instead of helping him, they kept on, and they KILLED HIM, now, Michael is dead, Michael is gone forever, and they are RESPONSIBLE.
 
I don't think MJ and Janet were even that close in MJ's final years..he even said it in the "Michael Jackson Tapes" book..I know that they were close growing up though..

and DEATH at the Janet fans on here trying to take up for her.. :laugh:
 
Is your comment directed at me? Since you quoted my clapping smileys.
"Death at the Janet fans..... etc"
 
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FunkeyJay said:
Is your comment directed at me? Since you quoted my clapping smileys.
"Death at the Janet fans..... etc"
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No it's not at you..I was talking about other people on here..but I agreed with the person who said that Dr. Murray was the person to blame for MJ's death..and I quoted your clappy smileys under that comment!
 
StarryNights90 said:
No it's not at you..I was talking about other people on here..but I agreed with the person who said that Dr. Murray was the person to blame for MJ's death..and I quoted your clappy smileys under that comment!
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Aaah, ok, now I got it. Everything's fine. :)
 
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