Michael Jackson: Will he ever call Janet Jackson again? The answer is Yes!

[trueiopian]

I know she can do it!! Janet is at her best when she is depressed IMO. She writes from her heart, I mean look at the Velvet rope album. Janet needs to get signed to Virgin or A&M again they produced and promoted her albums well. I also hear Janet is working with some of MJ's old producers. I have a feeling her upcoming album will be gold !!!!

That's not true. Hate to break it to you but Janet is just going to do Janet. Not MJ.

 

[trueiopian]

first of all i did not attack Janet.
2nd i realized after the 20/20 interview (to me) she was just one of those people who say "i care and i love" with no action. word means nothing.

and my reason of saying so is because Mike isn't here anymore, if anyone that was around him truly cared like they say they did about him while saying that he did have problems with drugs then he would still be here. am i so wrong to believe that people who are addicts don't think right and have problems and that you need to use a little force? if her sayings about her brother is true then to me... she didn't care or love him enough to save him.

Face the facts, Janet knows more than you will ever know about MJ. If she says he had a problem then most likely he did. You're not his blood. You never knew him on a personal level. Sorry, but these are facts. So I don't get why you're trying to accuse Janet for not "saving MJ". AHA! Get real. MJ couldn't save himself.

 

[OnOurWay]

Face the facts, Janet knows more than you will ever know about MJ. If she says he had a problem then most likely he did. You're not his blood. You never knew him on a personal level. Sorry, but these are facts. So I don't get why you're trying to accuse Janet for not "saving MJ". AHA! Get real. MJ couldn't save himself.

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I don't know why some of these ppl on here insist on thinking that they know the man better than anyone in his family did. No one on here has met Michael and had extended interaction with him. No one on here has lived with MJ. No one on here knows MJ better than anyone in his family. These ppl only know what they saw and what they were told. Fans were told he didn't have a problem. And they believe it.

"....just because you read it in a magazine or on the tv screen don't make it factual..." *whistles*

 

[Ramona122003]

Face the facts, Janet knows more than you will ever know about MJ. If she says he had a problem then most likely he did. You're not his blood. You never knew him on a personal level. Sorry, but these are facts. So I don't get why you're trying to accuse Janet for not "saving MJ". AHA! Get real. MJ couldn't save himself.

First off, I like Janet, but I don't think she knows the whole story either. Michael did not have a drug problem in the way she implied in that interview. He had a sleeping problem, which he took drugs to help ease. If he could sleep without taking drugs, he would had done so. That is by definition not a drug problem. Michael's organs also show that whatever problems he had with drugs in the past was not as major as some would have us to believe. He was healthy, which speaks louder to me than any of his family or fans. He also had only the drugs that the doctor gave him, he had no extra medication in his body. This is not the pattern of someone with a drug problem.

As for the comment about Michael couldn't save himself. That is incorrect in the sense that Michael did not kill himself. He had a train doctor in the room with him given him medication. That doctor was suppose to watch him, which he fail to do. That is why he die, not because he took drugs himself. He did not self inject, so I would hardly count that as self-destruction.

Do I think Janet was lying, no I believe she believe what she said. However, she didn't give a date for those interventions. Was it in 01, 02, 07, when exactly? They never even said why they thought he was on drugs since they hardly saw him and if he was in trouble recently, why didn't they hold an intervention when he went to that last family gathering? Since the family thought he died from painkillers and he was taking them when he die, they obviously knew nothing about his problem. Also, pass drug use or addiction is not part of what killed him, so the above is moot.

It is obvious that Janet does not know the facts, but unlike other family members, she most likely meant no harm with her comments. They are people in the world who cannot be save from addiction no matter how hard the family tries, but Michael was not one of them.

 

[Ramona122003]

Janet has already explained that the family tried to help him but kept getting shut out by his security and the fact of the matter is, like she said Michael was an addict so the help needed to go alot further then just his family.
Its not like they sat back and did nothing.

They saw him a month before he die and no one brought up any drug problem. Joe saw him two weeks before his death and all he talked about was dollars and pounds. Janet also fail to say when they tried to help him and when this suppose drug problem happen. So at best, the whole we tried everything is a little foggy.

As I have said before, he was not an addict. He had a sleeping problem which he tried to ease with medication. If he could sleep without drugs, he would of had done it. The drug that killed him is not addicted in the same way painkillers are and he showed no signs of symptoms of Propofol. If he was addict to it, he would had been almost none functional and self injecting himself 100+ times a day. Janet obviously knows nothing of Propofol addiction and seems to assume it is like any other drug you develop a dependancy to, which is not true.

Michael has also been blocking his family for years, given how Joe and his brothers act I can't blame him. It was hardly his security blocking them since Michael has shown himself that if he wanted to see them, he would. Janet herself didn't try to call him in two years, so she obviously was not that worried about him.

Also, healthy organs and a strong heart says he was not a strung out, long term addict.

 

[trueiopian]

First off, I like Janet, but I don't think she knows the whole story either. Michael did not have a drug problem in the way she implied in that interview. He had a sleeping problem, which he took drugs to help ease. If he could sleep without taking drugs, he would had done so. That is by definition not a drug problem. Michael's organs also show that whatever problems he had with drugs in the past was not as major as some would have us to believe. He was healthy, which speaks louder to me than any of his family or fans. He also had only the drugs that the doctor gave him, he had no extra medication in his body. This is not the pattern of someone with a drug problem.

As for the comment about Michael couldn't save himself. That is incorrect in the sense that Michael did not kill himself. He had a train doctor in the room with him given him medication. That doctor was suppose to watch him, which he fail to do. That is why he die, not because he took drugs himself. He did not self inject, so I would hardly count that as self-destruction.

Do I think Janet was lying, no I believe she believe what she said. However, she didn't give a date for those interventions. Was it in 01, 02, 07, when exactly? They never even said why they thought he was on drugs since they hardly saw him and if he was in trouble recently, why didn't they hold an intervention when he went to that last family gathering? Since the family thought he died from painkillers and he was taking them when he die, they obviously knew nothing about his problem. Also, pass drug use or addiction is not part of what killed him, so the above is moot.

It is obvious that Janet does not know the facts, but unlike other family members, she most likely meant no harm with her comments. They are people in the world who cannot be save from addiction no matter how hard the family tries, but Michael was not one of them.

You THINK she doesn't know but you have no idea. MJ had sleeping and pain problems which he tried to ease with prescription drugs. It means he had a drug problem. This doesn't make MJ a bad person. It's just reality. Just like any other person that abused prescription drugs, if he didn't have the pain nor problem to sleep he wouldn't take them. Unfortunately, when one takes sleeping pills it doesn't last long. In effect, they double their dose and demand for stronger drugs. If I recall correctly, MJ went to rehab in the early 90's because he had prescription drug abuse. Elizabeth Taylor announced this at a press conference long ago.

MJ was 50 years old when he passed away are you trying to tell me MJ had no knowledge of the doctor giving him the drug? Blasphemy. So by your knowledge if someone injected lets say...heroin into someone's arm because they were told to and the person suddenly passes away. It's not self-destruction?

Janet doesn't have to give you or anyone a date for when her family tried to hold an intervention. AHA! I find it so mind-boggling that fans really feel that "special". I'm sorry if this might come off harsh but MJ didn't know you nor did he know you even existed. These are facts. Janet IS his sister. They're blood, they're family. Therefore, you can't think if she doesn't know. Because at the end of the day, her statement > yours.

 

[Memefan]

From my own experience, I hate it when people tell me life goes on. I know it goes on, I don't want someone else telling me when I am grieving that "life goes on".

It is just peculiar that Janet is the one saying in.
I wonder if she feels guilty going back to her life after MJ's passing?
Because she repeats it in every interview as if she is trying to convince herself it is ok to go do her movie, or her album.

OT: I did not know Janet was such a hot topic here. It's like Jermaine on a lower level.

 

[Ramona122003]

You THINK she doesn't know but you have no idea. MJ had sleeping and pain problems which he tried to ease with prescription drugs. It means he had a drug problem. This doesn't make MJ a bad person. It's just reality. Just like any other person that abused prescription drugs, if he didn't have the pain nor problem to sleep he wouldn't take them. Unfortunately, when one takes sleeping pills it doesn't last long. In effect, they double their dose and demand for stronger drugs. If I recall correctly, MJ went to rehab in the early 90's because he had prescription drug abuse. Elizabeth Taylor announced this at a press conference long ago.

MJ was 50 years old when he passed away are you trying to tell me MJ had no knowledge of the doctor giving him the drug? Blasphemy. So by your knowledge if someone injected lets say...heroin into someone's arm because they were told to and the person suddenly passes away. It's not self-destruction?

Janet doesn't have to give you or anyone a date for when her family tried to hold an intervention. AHA! I find it so mind-boggling that fans really feel that "special". I'm sorry if this might come off harsh but MJ didn't know you nor did he know you even existed. These are facts. Janet IS his sister. They're blood, they're family. Therefore, you can't think if she doesn't know. Because at the end of the day, her statement > yours.

Taking medicine for a real problem is does not equal drug abuse. My dad take like 6 medication, does he have a drug problem. Yes, he went to rehab in 93, that is known. But to say he had the problem recently is not known, especially he had no painkillers in his body and that is what he became addicted to. His healthy organs and heart also tells me that his suppose drug problem was not serious. A person with a serious drug problem does not have healthy organs.

Also heroin is hardly the same as Propofol. He had a doctor with him, not the same as having some random person or bodyguard inject you with drugs. The doctor was suppose to watch him, he didn't which is why he died. That is like blaming the patient for dying is a hospital when a doctor give them medication. He was also told by a doctor that Propofol is safe as long as he was watched by someone, so he was not completely careless. A drug addict or abuser would hardly bother getting a train professional to help them, they would just self medicate. So yes, it is not self-destruction because he was in the care of a doctor and he is the one who screwed up.

Janet maybe his sister, but that does not mean she knows everything. If she did, she would had known about the Propofol since he took it before. She also would had known whether or not he was on painkillers, which he was not, when he died. If he was so medicated, why didn't they hold an intervention when he came to see them a month before his death? Why did she admit that she had not phone Michael in two years? She did not say she could not reach Michael, she said that she herself never called him because they were both busy. So, Michael was not in that much danger apparently. If you are going to say alot of interventions were held, I think you should give the date since she brought it up.

Especially when there is disagreement among the family itself if there was an intervention or not to begin with. Jermaine even went as far as to claim that he didn't even know Michael had a drug problem. The brother on Larry King when asked stuttered and went back and forward like they didn't know.


In conclusion, Janet does not know everything and neither does her family. Otherwise, Michael's death really should not had been such a shock.

 

[babykinsilk05]

That family knew NOTHING about the going on's in MJ's life. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that shit out. There OWN statements give that away. I don't care if they (including, and I would go as far as saying ESPECIALLY Janet) are family, they didn't know THEN and they don't know NOW what was happening with MJ. And I too find it interesting that Janet continues to stress the fact that "life goes on"...we get it.

And another thing, if MJ's so called "drug problem" was THAT serious to his varied family members, why didn't they pull a Whitney Huston type intervention and show up at his house with the popo's (cops)?

 

[Ramona122003]

That family knew NOTHING about the going on's in MJ's life. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that shit out. There OWN statements give that away. I don't care if they (including, and I would go as far as saying ESPECIALLY Janet) are family, they didn't know THEN and they don't know NOW what was happening with MJ. And I too find it interesting that Janet continues to stress the fact that "life goes on"...we get it.

And another thing, if MJ's so called "drug problem" was THAT serious to his varied family members, why didn't they pull a Whitney Huston type intervention and show up at his house with the popo's (cops)?

To be fair, Whitney was on illegal drugs and could be taken to jail. Michael was never on legal drugs, so they could not arrest him. If they got him on suppose doctor shopping, they may of had something.

However, a better argument would be if he was such an addict, why didn't they try to take his kids until he got help? They go on and on about him being a great father, but then say he was a drug addicted and drug abuser. If he was really drug to the point of being space out, how the heck can you be a great father?

Yeah, maybe they should of looked at an episode or two of intervention for tips.

 

[babykinsilk05]

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[trueiopian]

Taking medicine for a real problem is does not equal drug abuse. My dad take like 6 medication, does he have a drug problem. Yes, he went to rehab in 93, that is known. But to say he had the problem recently is not known, especially he had no painkillers in his body and that is what he became addicted to. His healthy organs and heart also tells me that his suppose drug problem was not serious. A person with a serious drug problem does not have healthy organs.

Also heroin is hardly the same as Propofol. He had a doctor with him, not the same as having some random person or bodyguard inject you with drugs. The doctor was suppose to watch him, he didn't which is why he died. That is like blaming the patient for dying is a hospital when a doctor give them medication. He was also told by a doctor that Propofol is safe as long as he was watched by someone, so he was not completely careless. A drug addict or abuser would hardly bother getting a train professional to help them, they would just self medicate. So yes, it is not self-destruction because he was in the care of a doctor and he is the one who screwed up.

Janet maybe his sister, but that does not mean she knows everything. If she did, she would had known about the Propofol since he took it before. She also would had known whether or not he was on painkillers, which he was not, when he died. If he was so medicated, why didn't they hold an intervention when he came to see them a month before his death? Why did she admit that she had not phone Michael in two years? She did not say she could not reach Michael, she said that she herself never called him because they were both busy. So, Michael was not in that much danger apparently. If you are going to say alot of interventions were held, I think you should give the date since she brought it up.

Especially when there is disagreement among the family itself if there was an intervention or not to begin with. Jermaine even went as far as to claim that he didn't even know Michael had a drug problem. The brother on Larry King when asked stuttered and went back and forward like they didn't know.


In conclusion, Janet does not know everything and neither does her family. Otherwise, Michael's death really should not had been such a shock.

It's drug abuse when you're taking drugs you're not supposed to take in heavy doses. Usually drug addicts don't overcome their past addictions. So they go back to old habits. It's really not that hard to figure out, hun.

Are you serious? MJ was a rich man that had the power to get anyone he wanted at his own time and he did just that by finding a doctor that would give him all the drugs he wanted. So yes, that's self-destruction.

It's not your business. You're not his family and why are you making it sound so sweet and simple? As if trying to reach someone that obviously has a problem would be a piece of cake? MJ is the one that blocked his family out of his life. At the end of the day his family knows more than you will ever know about MJ. I know it sucks to admit it but man up

 

[babykinsilk05]

To be fair, Whitney was on illegal drugs and could be taken to jail. Michael was never on legal drugs, so they could not arrest him. If they got him on suppose doctor shopping, they may of had something.

However, a better argument would be if he was such an addict, why didn't they try to take his kids until he got help? They go on and on about him being a great father, but then say he was a drug addicted and drug abuser. If he was really drug to the point of being space out, how the heck can you be a great father?

Yeah, maybe they should of looked at an episode or two of intervention for tips.

Your right, he wasn't on any illegal drugs. To be honest, I don't think they (meaning the family) really gave a rats ass about what was happening with MJ. Yeah I said it. I really don't think they cared enough to see what was really up with him. All this talk about interventions always sounded sketchy to me from the get. Now I'm not saying that their grief after the fact was not real, I'm sure it was, but I think it had a lot more to do with guilt, missed opurtunities, and the fact that he was, after all, their brother. I don't belive all this nonsense about the family being "close" at all, atleast not with the older generaton. So I'm not buying all this "their family so she (or he) would know more then you (the fans)" bull ish. I'm sure they were all close at one point, but in recent years and up to MJ's death, not so much. I know they said that Katherine kept them up-to-date on what was going with each other, but I think for the most part, they got their info on MJ in the same we the fans got it, through the news.

 

[Ramona122003]

Your right, he wasn't on any illegal drugs. To be honest, I don't think they (meaning the family) really gave a rats ass as to what was happening with MJ. Yeah I said it. I really don't think they cared enough to see what was really up with him. All this talk about interventions always sounded sketchy to me from the get. Now I'm not saying that their grief after the fact was not real, but I think it had a lot to do with guilt and missed opurtunities. I don't belive all this nonsense about the family being "close" at all, atleast not with the older generaton. I'm sure they were at one point, but in recent years and up to MJ's death, not so much.

Of all the sibling, I do believe Janet shared a special bond with Michael. He said so himself and she was the only sibling with direct access to Michael. Everyone else had to call in and go through his people. However, If feel their careers kept them apart and they took each other for granted. The family also tended to use Janet as a way to get to Michael.

I do not feel Janet is not lying about what she said because she seems to believe it, but I feel she is speaking with limited information. She does not seem to know much about Propofol, otherwise she would had known that Michael was not addicted to it because Propofol addiction is injecting yourself over 100 times and you don't need a doctor to do it for you. She also contradicts several members of her own family, but that is another discussion.

 

[babykinsilk05]

Buts that's the thing, I don't believe he was that close to Janet either. They were close GROWING UP, but as for as them as adults, no I don't think so. Yes their is video of them playing around back in 91' but as Mike admited in his Shumeuly (whatever his last name is) tapes, he wished they were closer and this was in 2001. I think as they got older they "naturally" driffted apart and Janet herself has said that they didnt personally keep in touch anymore and that they got their info on eachother through their mother. MJ fans for some reason want to hold onto this idea that they were like twins or something (yes I know MJ said they were back in the day) but I don't think she knew who he was anymore. Even in the first interview she did after his death, she talks about their relationship in terms of their childhood NOT their adulthood. I don't believe she knew him like some people keep claiming. In all of the interview she's done since his death, she comes off as being just as clueless about his last months as we are.

 

[Ramona122003]

Buts that's the thing, I don't believe he was that close to Janet either. They were close GROWING UP, but as for as them as adults, no I don't think so. Yes their is video of them playing around back in 91' but as Mike admited in his Shumeuly (whatever his last name is) tapes, he wished they were closer and this was in 2001. I think as they got older they "naturally" driffted apart and Janet herself has said that they didnt personally keep in touch anymore and that they got their info on eachother through their mother. MJ fans for some reason want to hold onto this idea that they were like twins or something (yes I know MJ said they were back in the day) but I don't think she knew who he was anymore. Even in the first interview she did after his death, she talks about their relationship in terms of their childhood NOT their adulthood. I don't believe she knew him like some people keep claiming. In all of the interview she's done since his death, she comes off as being just as clueless about his last months as we are.

I was actually going by what he said in his private home movies when he actually said that him and Janet was the closest. In recent years, they did drifted apart, but I think that is because they were both career driven. Even Janet hardly shows up to family events because she is busy, however, she was one of the few to have the ability to reach Michael directly.

I do think she does feel guilt for not spending more time for him and kind of took him for granted, which I am sure he did as well. I also think the interview she gave was also inspire by guilt. Maybe if she had try harder or recognize his suppose drug problem more, she may feel that she could of have saved him. It is easier for people to accept lost sometime by point to a suppose problem, whether than seeing that nothing really could of been done. Because at the end of the day, Michael did not kill himself, his doctor did it.

 

[Ramona122003]

It's drug abuse when you're taking drugs you're not supposed to take in heavy doses. Usually drug addicts don't overcome their past addictions. So they go back to old habits. It's really not that hard to figure out, hun.

Are you serious? MJ was a rich man that had the power to get anyone he wanted at his own time and he did just that by finding a doctor that would give him all the drugs he wanted. So yes, that's self-destruction.

It's not your business. You're not his family and why are you making it sound so sweet and simple? As if trying to reach someone that obviously has a problem would be a piece of cake? MJ is the one that blocked his family out of his life. At the end of the day his family knows more than you will ever know about MJ. I know it sucks to admit it but man up

His past addiction was painkillers, not Propofol or even sleep medication. Propofol addiction is when you inject yourself over 100+ times to get that good feeling from waking up. Since Michael did not use Propofol in that way, he was not addicted to it. He also had no painkillers in his system so pass addiction is moot. And the high doses you mention was give by his doctor, not Michael himself. You don't get high off of Propofol by taken heavier dosages like other drugs.

And no, it is not self-destruction. How is it self-destruction when you doctor is the one to OD you? Also, he hardly got all the drugs he wanted since he only wanted to sleep. He wanted someone to help him take the drug and watch him, and just give him the drug and leave like most addicts. He also refuse to pay Murray's original asking price, so he was not that desperate and he was looking for another doctor who was train to give Propofol to help him. This is not the pattern of someone who would self-destruction themselves. Especially when they feel safe in the care of a doctor, who is suppose to make sure everything goes okay. An addict would not care either way if they are safe or not since they only want the high by any means.

Please, you are the one who needs to 'man up'. Janet shows you does not know everything, it does not matter if they are family. Like I said before, if he had such a big problem as you are implying, why didn't they try to take his kids until he got help? She brought the interventions herself, so she should had explain it more. If she didn't want to explain it, she should not had said anything. You cannot say someone was an addict and then just leave it at that, it does not work that way. Michael blocked his family because most of them frankly are a pain in the ass and deserve to be block.

You also fail to address the healthy organs, heart, and why didn't they hold an intervention the month before he died to 'save' him? Also, why was his death such a shock? Why is their such chaos over Michael's death if they knew he was an addict, but that can't seem to decide if an intervention was held at all? By Janet's statement, none of that makes any sense since she said the entire family was involve.

Sorry, Michael was no addict. He had a sleeping problem which he tried to ease by taken Propofol to ease it. He trusted a doctor to keep him safe and to watch him and he failed. You may not want to admit it, but those are the facts.

 

[trueiopian]

His past addiction was painkillers, not Propofol or even sleep medication. Propofol addiction is when you inject yourself over 100+ times to get that good feeling from waking up. Since Michael did not use Propofol in that way, he was not addicted to it. He also had no painkillers in his system so pass addiction is moot. And the high doses you mention was give by his doctor, not Michael himself. You don't get high off of Propofol by taken heavier dosages like other drugs.

And no, it is not self-destruction. How is it self-destruction when you doctor is the one to OD you? Also, he hardly got all the drugs he wanted since he only wanted to sleep. He wanted someone to help him take the drug and watch him, and just give him the drug and leave like most addicts. He also refuse to pay Murray's original asking price, so he was not that desperate and he was looking for another doctor who was train to give Propofol to help him. This is not the pattern of someone who would self-destruction themselves. Especially when they feel safe in the care of a doctor, who is suppose to make sure everything goes okay. An addict would not care either way if they are safe or not since they only want the high by any means.

Please, you are the one who needs to 'man up'. Janet shows you does not know everything, it does not matter if they are family. Like I said before, if he had such a big problem as you are implying, why didn't they try to take his kids until he got help? She brought the interventions herself, so she should had explain it more. If she didn't want to explain it, she should not had said anything. You cannot say someone was an addict and then just leave it at that, it does not work that way. Michael blocked his family because most of them frankly are a pain in the ass and deserve to be block.

You also fail to address the healthy organs, heart, and why didn't they hold an intervention the month before he died to 'save' him? Also, why was his death such a shock? Why is their such chaos over Michael's death if they knew he was an addict, but that can't seem to decide if an intervention was held at all? By Janet's statement, none of that makes any sense since she said the entire family was involve.

Sorry, Michael was no addict. He had a sleeping problem which he tried to ease by taken Propofol to ease it. He trusted a doctor to keep him safe and to watch him and he failed. You may not want to admit it, but those are the facts.

Sorry, he was.

Just because he had a doctor administer the drugs doesn't mean it wasn't self-destructive. A person doesn't just randomly want Propofol out of the blue. MJ had yes-men doctors around him in the past too. and Yes, I know he just wanted to sleep. Most addicts want to ease pain or dose off. It's common. Since you're insisting Janet doesn't know everything. You don't know jack. All you're doing is going off assumptions from what you've heard and read. While Janet is his sibling and knows more about MJ than you ever will. So basically you're saying you know more than Janet. AHA! Also you can't 'save' someone that blocks people out of their life. Again, that's common among addicts. All you're just doing is putting the term 'drug addict' in a nice way. "He had sleeping problem which he tried to ease by taken Propofol to ease it". Basically, is addiction.

 

[Ramona122003]

Sorry, he was.

Just because he had a doctor administer the drugs doesn't mean it wasn't self-destructive. A person doesn't just randomly want Propofol out of the blue. MJ had yes-men doctors around him in the past too. and Yes, I know he just wanted to sleep. Most addicts want to ease pain or dose off. It's common. Since you're insisting Janet doesn't know everything. You don't know jack. All you're doing is going off assumptions from what you've heard and read. While Janet is his sibling and knows more about MJ than you ever will. So basically you're saying you know more than Janet. AHA! Also you can't 'save' someone that blocks people out of their life. Again, that's common among addicts. All you're just doing is putting the term 'drug addict' in a nice way. "He had sleeping problem which he tried to ease by taken Propofol to ease it". Basically, is addiction.

How do you know he had yes-man doctors? Other than Murray, who are the other exactly.

You also did not explain why he he healthy organs and heart, which a addict does not have. The autopsy does not lie, so I do not care what Janet claims. Science has proven her wrong and I trust that over anyone's word.

Also, Michael was not addicted to Propofol for reasons I stated way too many times to you. That fact also goes against Janet's word. He also did not randomly want it. He was told by a doctor that is was safe, which is why he wanted it. He also used it before for the History Tour. He didn't use it again until now. Also like I have said, addicts don't care if they have a doctor or not. They want anyone who can give them drugs. They would not care of find a doctor to help them take it and watch them during the night. This was not self-medication.

By your definition, if I have a headache and I take pain medicine for it, that much mean I am addict because I took medicine to ease a headache. Also, my father must be an addict because he takes medicine to keep his blood sugar down. My grandfather must also be an addict because he take blood pressure medicine. By your definition any drug you take for any reason make you an addict.

I also love the fact that you never answer why they didn't do anything with Michael when he came to that gathering before he died. He did not block them then and he was at the family home and Joe saw him two weeks before his death and all he talked about was pounds and dollars. Also, if he blocked them, they could of called child services on him and got those kids away from him. If he was doctor shopping, they could also call the cops on him. Don't give me, he blocked them as a reasonable excuse why the above actions were not taking if he was an addict. That lack any common sense and at the worst shows that they really didn't try.

I may not know about Michael, but I know about facts and common sense. Those two things make Janet's story questionable at best. You also have not explain why the family itself cannot even decide if Michael was an addict or not even though Janet says the whole family knew.

Sorry, facts out ways the opinion of all. Even family members. And if she question in the court of law about his suppose drug problem, Janet and everyone else will have to explain the above.

 

[trueiopian]

How do you know he had yes-man doctors? Other than Murray, who are the other exactly.

You also did not explain why he he healthy organs and heart, which a addict does not have. The autopsy does not lie, so I do not care what Janet claims. Science has proven her wrong and I trust that over anyone's word.

Also, Michael was not addicted to Propofol for reasons I stated way too many times to you. That fact also goes against Janet's word. He also did not randomly want it. He was told by a doctor that is was safe, which is why he wanted it. He also used it before for the History Tour. He didn't use it again until now. Also like I have said, addicts don't care if they have a doctor or not. They want anyone who can give them drugs. They would not care of find a doctor to help them take it and watch them during the night. This was not self-medication.

By your definition, if I have a headache and I take pain medicine for it, that much mean I am addict because I took medicine to ease a headache. Also, my father must be an addict because he takes medicine to keep his blood sugar down. My grandfather must also be an addict because he take blood pressure medicine. By your definition any drug you take for any reason make you an addict.

I also love the fact that you never answer why they didn't do anything with Michael when he came to that gathering before he died. He did not block them then and he was at the family home and Joe saw him two weeks before his death and all he talked about was pounds and dollars. Also, if he blocked them, they could of called child services on him and got those kids away from him. If he was doctor shopping, they could also call the cops on him. Don't give me, he blocked them as a reasonable excuse why the above actions were not taking if he was an addict. That lack any common sense and at the worst shows that they really didn't try.

I may not know about Michael, but I know about facts and common sense. Those two things make Janet's story questionable at best. You also have not explain why the family itself cannot even decide if Michael was an addict or not even though Janet says the whole family knew.

Sorry, facts out ways the opinion of all. Even family members. And if she question in the court of law about his suppose drug problem, Janet and everyone else will have to explain the above.

Smokes and mirrors. :sigh:

Propofol doesn't damage the heart. An overdose of propofol leads the patient to stop breathing. So really I don't see that having any effect on the heart besides stopping.

How do you know he didn't take it since the HIStory tour? You don't.

I never said that. I'm saying that MJ didn't spontaneously ask for drugs out of the blue. It's obviously something he's used to doing.

You're missing the key people he surrounded himself with - heavy security at all times.

No, you lack common sense.

I see this thread getting locked soon so I'll just say- we can agree to disagree. You may continue to believe all the smoke and mirrors.

 

[Ramona122003]

Smokes and mirrors. :sigh:

Propofol doesn't damage the heart. An overdose of propofol leads the patient to stop breathing. So really I don't see that having any effect on the heart besides stopping.

How do you know he didn't take it since the HIStory tour? You don't.

I never said that. I'm saying that MJ didn't spontaneously ask for drugs out of the blue. It's obviously something he's used to doing.

You're missing the key people he surrounded himself with - heavy security at all times.

No, you lack common sense.

I see this thread getting locked soon so I'll just say- we can agree to disagree. You may continue to believe all the smoke and mirrors.

That is wrong. You can die from slowly poisoning yourself with propofol. It is called Chronic Propofol Intoxication. There are several cases of it and they are able to trace the history of a person's propofol abuse. So, it does damages the organs, there is no smoke and mirrors about it.

As for the whole History Tour debate, Michael always take propofol with doctors around. Also, the corona never said he died of Chronic Propofol Intoxication, it was Acute Propofol Intoxication. Also, his organs once again were not damage, which would be the case if he took propofol all the time as you have stated. He also would not had need to find a doctor help him since he should of have one on speed dial if that was the case.

As for the security, they can't block child support. If they did, Michael would had been in legal trouble, so that is hardly the case. He also was at the family home during a time when they cold of helped him. If his security tried to get hm out of there, they could of called the cops then and gotten the children away. The same thing when Joe met with him two weeks before his death.

I have already stated what propofol addiction actually was like and Michael did not have any of the symptoms because he did not injecting himself 100+ times a day. He also did not crave propofol to the point that he injected it himself. Propofol does not work like other medication like I said where an increase dose give you a high. You get that good feeling from waking up, which is why people inject themselves over and over again. Also, those who do abuse propofol in this manner are almost none function and I a certain from watching TII that Michael was quite functional.

Michael's house was also raided multiple times in 2003 and 2004 and no propofol was found in this time period. If he was really depended on it, why was it not found in his house?

I think you are the one who believes in smoke and mirrors since I gave you the facts multiple times already along with things the Jackson could had done if Michael was in such great danger, yet you will not listen. Personally knowing Michael had no merit given that the facts that we know.

But whatever, believe what you want to believe.

 

[trueiopian]

That is wrong. You can die from slowly poisoning yourself with propofol. It is called Chronic Propofol Intoxication. There are several cases of it and they are able to trace the history of a person's propofol abuse. So, it does damages the organs, there is no smoke and mirrors about it.

As for the whole History Tour debate, Michael always take propofol with doctors around. That doesn't make him any less of an addict Also, the corona never said he died of Chronic Propofol Intoxication, it was Acute Propofol Intoxication. Also, his organs once again were not damage, which would be the case if he took propofol all the time as you have stated. I never stated this. He also would not had need to find a doctor help him since he should of have one on speed dial if that was the case.

As for the security, they can't block child support. If they did, Michael would had been in legal trouble, so that is hardly the case. He also was at the family home during a time when they cold of helped him. If his security tried to get hm out of there, they could of called the cops then and gotten the children away. The same thing when Joe met with him two weeks before his death. You seem to have planned this out :mello:

I have already stated what propofol addiction actually was like and Michael did not have any of the symptoms because he did not injecting himself 100+ times a day That isn't necessarily true. One doesn't have to inject them self in order to fit the profile of a drug addict and also 100+ times is just pushing it. He also did not crave propofol to the point that he injected it himself You don't know this.. Propofol does not work like other medication like I said where an increase dose give you a high. You get that good feeling from waking up, which is why people inject themselves over and over again. Also, those who do abuse propofol in this manner are almost none function and I a certain from watching TII that Michael was quite functional.

Michael's house was also raided multiple times in 2003 and 2004 and no propofol was found in this time period.But they found numerous prescription pill bottles If he was really depended on it, why was it not found in his house? Doctors.

I think you are the one who believes in smoke and mirrors since I gave you the facts Don't confuse assumptions for facts multiple times already along with things the Jackson could had done if Michael was in such great danger, yet you will not listen. Personally knowing Michael had no merit given that the facts that we know.

But whatever, believe what you want to believe.

:sigh:

 

[Ramona122003]

:sigh:

You really have an invested interest with him being an addict. If he took all that suppose medicine in 2003 to 2004, then his organs would had been damage. There is also not proof that most of it was even his since they were a dozen or so people at Neverland.

Sorry, an addict don't wait for a doctor. An addict get the drugs and take themselves. Why would they pay someone to inject themselves if they can do it for free? You also said that propofol does cause organ damage if taking over time because it poison your system. Since they were not, that shows he was not some hardcore drug addict. Also if he was, their were steps that his family could take to help him. His security obviously didn't stop him from going to that gathering and didn't stop his family from calling child support. That is just common sense.

Also, that is what Propofol addicts do. You can read articles about it and an Propofol addict inject themselves 100+ times in a day. That is another fact. They get a rush from waking up from the drug, not taking it. Since Michael only use it to sleep, he could not have gotten that rush. Do some research into Propofol before you make such claims. He also didn't crave Propofol because he only took it during the night. If he crave it, he would had taking it any chance he got and been nearly non-functional.

Also, are you going tell me that his doctors found out about the raid and hid all the Propofol by you comment. Yeah, very likely.

Sorry, I gave you facts and you are making assumptions about a drug you obviously didn't research.

http://www.anesthesiologynews.com/index.asp?ses=ogst&section_id=1&show=dept&article_id=7579

 

[amyzabeth]

Face the facts, Janet knows more than you will ever know about MJ. If she says he had a problem then most likely he did. You're not his blood. You never knew him on a personal level. Sorry, but these are facts. So I don't get why you're trying to accuse Janet for not "saving MJ". AHA! Get real. MJ couldn't save himself.

According to Janet in that 20/20 interview he could "save himself."


:smilerolleyes:

I like how you are labeling Michael as a "drug addict" when no narcotics were even found in his system. :smilerolleyes: And if you know about the propofol you should know about the other sleep meds that were given to him by Murray on that same night. All the stuff Murray gave to Michael, Michael probably was already asleep or he was already gone. No fxckin way was he awake askin' for that propofol. But you seem to think that people with other opinions are "blinded" because they don't "think" the same as you. But yea, I'm way off topic so I won't reply to you again in this thread, because then we will continue to go off topic.

 

[amyzabeth]

That family knew NOTHING about the going on's in MJ's life. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that shit out. There OWN statements give that away. I don't care if they (including, and I would go as far as saying ESPECIALLY Janet) are family, they didn't know THEN and they don't know NOW what was happening with MJ. And I too find it interesting that Janet continues to stress the fact that "life goes on"...we get it.

And another thing, if MJ's so called "drug problem" was THAT serious to his varied family members, why didn't they pull a Whitney Huston type intervention and show up at his house with the popo's (cops)?

:agree:

 

[babykinsilk05]

This really isn't that difficult to understand. All this back and forth is uneccissary. Michael had insomina and took meds to help him with it. It was provided to him by someone who was supposed to be a "doctor" and therefore KNEW what he was doing. Wether or not MJ had an addicition to pankillers in the past is not the point. The point is that he didn't die from an addiction to drugs, he died from his "doctor" overdosing him with medication that was not supposed to be given in a home setting without proper equipment. His organs were more then fine, he had NO illegal drugs in his system, he only had the meds doctor murderer gave him, he simly needed to sleep (this is all fact). I'm more then convinced that Janet didn't know shit, and neither did the family...their own statements prove this lol. They are all inconsistent and you know what? that's not their fault, it's clear that MJ kept them at a distance, But they shouldn't be going arond speaking about things they don't know the full story on especcially when the investigation is NOT complete.

Ok carry on...

 

[DIRTYDIANA☆]

This really isn't that difficult to understand. All this back and forth is uneccissary. Michael had insomina and took meds to help him with it. It was provided to him by someone who was supposed to be a "doctor" and therefore KNEW what he was doing. Wether or not MJ had an addicition to pankillers in the past is not the point. The point is that he didn't die from an addiction to drugs, he died from his "doctor" overdosing him with medication that was not supposed to be given in a home setting without proper equipment. His organs were more then fine, he had NO illegal drugs in his system, he only had the meds doctor murderer gave him, he simly needed to sleep (this is all fact). I'm more then convinced that Janet didn't know shit, and neither did the family...their own statements prove this lol. They are all inconsistent and you know what? that's not their fault, it's clear that MJ kept them at a distance, But they shouldn't be going arond speaking about things they don't know the full story on especcially when the investigation is NOT complete.

Ok carry on...

I agree..MJ wasn't an addict at all..and I wish that people would stop saying that about him..because it's not true..and I'm starting to question his family..

 

[OnOurWay]

LOL @ some of these ppl still thinking they know more about MJ's life than Janet when they've never even spent 5 minutes with him. :hysterical:

 

[Ramona122003]

LOL @ some of these ppl still thinking they know more about MJ's life than Janet when they've never even spent 5 minutes with him. :hysterical:

Maybe so, but the autopsy and researching into the drug that killed him tells me he was not an addict. Facts speaks louder than the opinions of family.

Sorry.

 

[OnOurWay]

Maybe so, but the autopsy and researching into the drug that killed him tells me he was not an addict. Facts speaks louder than the opinions of family.

Sorry.

No prescription drug is ever addictive to my knowledge. It only become a dependency when the user needs it for basic human function such as sleeping, eating, walking, etc. Indeed you are right. Facts speak for themselves.