Michael Jackson v. Wade Robson, a new trial to be held

Thanks for the information!

Besides, how on earth are Wade and James going to provide convincing enough evidence or 'beyond reseanable doubt' that their claims are true.
No, that's just for criminal cases. Beyond reasonable doubt doesn't apply in a civil case. It's either 'preponderance of evidence' or 'clear and convincing' evidence. Most civil cases, afaik, are based on the 'preponderance of evidence'. Which concerns me bc it makes it sound much easier to prove. I mean, is that why LN was so long and so graphic? Is that going to be submitted as evidence?

I suppose it's far too early to be fretting about all of this. The whole thing is going to take months to even come to court. We'll all drive ourselves mad if we worry about it for the next god-knows-how-many-months.

But I still wish I understood more about this or had more information.

Right now, as far as I can tell, it should be pretty difficult was Wade and James, unless they can provide something significant for their claims. If the estate and the jurys take into account all inconsistencies, lies and changes in Wade's and James' stories, then I feel like we don't have much to be afraid off.
We can only hope.
 
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Nope. There was a 2 page spread just a few days ago in a UK paper about Elvis's fixation on 14 year old girls complete with quotes from various women claiming to have been his 'girlfriends'. Stories have been written before about how young Priscilla was when she met him but this is new, afaik. It's being presented as 'Is this Elvis's MeToo moment?'

Also, Priscilla is only 78. Why would you assume that these people are dead?
Hell because it's not Manu people 78 & up gonna ever come out about elvis. They don't keep up with media like that & he married Priscilla at 14 so the girls he may have had before were older than her being that he married her. U really think someone at the age of 80 is gonna come out about something that happend to them at 13-15 in 2023?? Or 2020 anything?? My friend...dont be too delusional & think too hard in this. We as fans have debunked this punk for many years so...there's no point of this trial. U think a judge or jury in thier right mind will let this sick piece of shit win after he loss every other case...at this point whatever tf he brings in court is a lie. The train thing was a dead giveaway. Smh fck WADE. I'M GETTING UPSET JUST TALKING ABOUT HIS PUNK ASS!
 
Hell because it's not Manu people 78 & up gonna ever come out about elvis.
Loving the ageism here. And these women have 'come out' about it. There was a whole load of quotes from these women in a 2 page article just a few days ago. The article is based on an upcoming Amazon documentary about this.

They don't keep up with media like that
How do you know?

& he married Priscilla at 14
No, he didn't. They met when she was 14. She was 21 / 22 when they married. I have no idea if they slept together before they got married. I was never interested in him outside of the music so I don't know that part of his story.

so the girls he may have had before were older than her being that he married her. U really think someone at the age of 80 is gonna come out about something that happend to them at 13-15 in 2023??
Could happen. Besides, they aren't all the same age as Priscilla. This whole thing is based on an Amazon documentary. No idea when it's going out. But one of the women quoted in the piece I saw was 16 in 1969 which makes her, what? 70, now? Something like that. And even if she was 80, why on earth wouldn't she speak out now?

Or 2020 anything?? My friend...dont be too delusional
I'm not delusional. What are you on about?

& think too hard in this.
Seriously? I shouldn't worry about teenage girls being predated on by men decades older than them? I shouldn't think about this?

We as fans have debunked this punk for many years so
I'm aware of that and I salute all the MJ fans who have worked hard on this. I have endless admiration for them. They have done great work.

...there's no point of this trial.
Doesn't matter. The trial is happening. And it's natural to have concerns about how it might play out.

U think a judge or jury in thier right mind will let this sick piece of shit win after he loss every other case.
Well, first of all, there might not be a jury. It's a civil case and sometimes they are heard by a judge alone. No jury. We will have to see what happens.
 
True but I would bet my house that the majority of the general public would say the same.

Anyway, this is getting silly now. I don't want to insult Michael because it's starting to get that way.

I just don't see the need to include Elvis in this topic.
It’s just because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
 
Hell because it's not Manu people 78 & up gonna ever come out about elvis. They don't keep up with media like that & he married Priscilla at 14 so the girls he may have had before were older than her being that he married her. U really think someone at the age of 80 is gonna come out about something that happend to them at 13-15 in 2023?? Or 2020 anything?? My friend...dont be too delusional & think too hard in this. We as fans have debunked this punk for many years so...there's no point of this trial. U think a judge or jury in thier right mind will let this sick piece of shit win after he loss every other case...at this point whatever tf he brings in court is a lie. The train thing was a dead giveaway. Smh fck WADE. I'M GETTING UPSET JUST TALKING ABOUT HIS PUNK ASS!
Why you wanna trip on her?
 
How's everybody doing?

I think I could only speak for me, but for me, as I get older, I'm understanding things a lot more. I never doubted Michael's innocence. His heart was in the right place, and never hid the fact that he prefers children over adults because a lot of adults do have motives for the wrong reasons. As a 40-year-old man myself, it's HARD being an adult, but that's how life is at times. However, with the stuff we see on TV, the internet, social media, magazines and the music we listen to, especially the news back then and now, things have gotten more complicated. Michael got tired of hearing the word "No," so that's where the "Yes" people came in. You don't have to be a celebrity to understand that, it applies to all people. Michael hardly ever got to experience the stuff a lot of us did as kids, so he tried to compensate for that. We never truly understood how it affected him, we could only speculate since none of us ever had a conversation with him. Michael could never take "no" for an answer, therefore, putting him in a vulnerable position...

After the allegations in 1993, he should've put the brakes on the sleepovers and stop getting too close to children. However, he opened the door to more accusations after the civil case was settled. I believe Michael wanted to take this to court, but way too many circumstances got in the way, his insurance company did the settlement...

Again, I never doubted Michael's innocence, but this is the sad truth, those accusations will stick forever. Maybe this won't go to trial, but if it does, the Estate will be ready, and all I can do is pray. I'm not worried about this because it's too obvious that these punks will stop at nothing to get what they want, and you know what's really sad about all of this? They make a total disregard to all of the true sexual abuse survivors out there. One bad apple, spoils the bunch! Also, I think they have a fatal attraction to Michael, they're obsessed, along with a few other who will remain nameless...!

As for Michael's legacy, no legacy is perfect... I can't recall who has the perfect legacy... I can't. He made a permanent mark in this world that no one can take away, NO ONE! It's everywhere, and these haters can still hate all they want to. If you think Michael's legacy is tarnished, that's on you, you're trying yourself, I mean, "Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?" Get those thoughts out of your head.

Michael Jackson is not going anywhere, EVER!
 
How's everybody doing?

I think I could only speak for me, but for me, as I get older, I'm understanding things a lot more. I never doubted Michael's innocence. His heart was in the right place, and never hid the fact that he prefers children over adults because a lot of adults do have motives for the wrong reasons. As a 40-year-old man myself, it's HARD being an adult, but that's how life is at times. However, with the stuff we see on TV, the internet, social media, magazines and the music we listen to, especially the news back then and now, things have gotten more complicated. Michael got tired of hearing the word "No," so that's where the "Yes" people came in. You don't have to be a celebrity to understand that, it applies to all people. Michael hardly ever got to experience the stuff a lot of us did as kids, so he tried to compensate for that. We never truly understood how it affected him, we could only speculate since none of us ever had a conversation with him. Michael could never take "no" for an answer, therefore, putting him in a vulnerable position...

After the allegations in 1993, he should've put the brakes on the sleepovers and stop getting too close to children. However, he opened the door to more accusations after the civil case was settled. I believe Michael wanted to take this to court, but way too many circumstances got in the way, his insurance company did the settlement...
thank you. this response is so much more constructive.

and as for me, i believe that, the "sleepovers" weren't even the issue. it was the way they were PERCEIVED (and still are perceived) that is the issue. the amount of times michael pointed this out: "when you think bed, you're thinking sexual", "it's people with a dirty mind that think that way", when it came to those who challenged his beliefs on and overall, his vulnerability towards children. and he's right! "bed" and "sleeping" do not immediately mean "sex", "molestation", and "grooming." it's just a gross assumption.

Again, I never doubted Michael's innocence, but this is the sad truth, those accusations will stick forever. Maybe this won't go to trial, but if it does, the Estate will be ready, and all I can do is pray. I'm not worried about this because it's too obvious that these punks will stop at nothing to get what they want, and you know what's really sad about all of this? They make a total disregard to all of the true sexual abuse survivors out there. One bad apple, spoils the bunch! Also, I think they have a fatal attraction to Michael, they're obsessed, along with a few other who will remain nameless...!

As for Michael's legacy, no legacy is perfect... I can't recall who has the perfect legacy... I can't. He made a permanent mark in this world that no one can take away, NO ONE! It's everywhere, and these haters can still hate all they want to. If you think Michael's legacy is tarnished, that's on you, you're trying yourself, I mean, "Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?" Get those thoughts out of your head.

Michael Jackson is not going anywhere, EVER!
also, yes! i once wrote a long Letterboxd review of Leaving Neverland. at the end, i point out how exploitative it actually is of real CSA survivors, how it takes advantage of those who have actually been traumatized by abuse.

across many years, i've known and met MJ fans and non-MJ fans alike who are CSA survivors themselves whose stories totally contradict those of LN's. typically they do not describe their past abuse as a "loving" thing or even recall it with a shred of positivity at all (and personally, i find it disgusting how LN literally ROMANTICIZES the nature of the stories of alleged abuse. there's even been notices of resemblances to Victor Gutierrez's "michael jackson was my lover" in it, which is basically a pro-ship book that romanticizes pedophilia and a made-up "relationship" between Michael and Jordan Chandler. the author himself was also a pedophilia apologist, supporting pro-pedo groups such as NAMBLA). i also think Taj Jackson (michael's nephew who was molested himself by another family member) also pointed this part out, plus how Michael was very supportive to him and helped him get by after the abuse happened (which is pretty damn contradictory to how Michael is typically portrayed as a monster when he was actually highly sensitive to cases of children being abused, and did NOT condone it! there's also a video of michael giving a speech about the horrors of children being abused, including sexual abuse, but i'll have to find it. plus having written songs like "do you know where your children are," which cover the topic of sexual abuse.)

LN may not have the same agenda as "MJ was my lover" or Victor Gutierrez, but it's still disgusting how they portray a story of alleged CSA as something that is "loving" or in the same vein as one would describe a consensual relationship between two adults, when in actuality, CSA survivors are much more likely to develop PTSD, depression, anxiety, and other mental health problems because they were taken advantage of as children. CSA survivors in general are also often coerced into silence and stigmatized when speaking up about their stories in general, often being victim-blamed or being told they are lying, or threatened by their abuser that more bad things will happen to them if they tell anyone. and sadly, some abusers actually do go through with those threats...

and then, what happens when people like wade and james lie? suddenly, people are more mistrusting of ACTUAL survivors. they continue their stigmatization of them and don't allow them justice. they allow actual rapists and pedophiles to continue walking free, ready to and capable of abusing more people.

sexual abuse is such an irredeemable action. if Michael actually was a pedophile and committed these actions, i would never be a fan at all. all of my merchandise would be burned, i would never log back in here. even if it meant turning my back on the memories i made in this fandom, there is no way you would see me condoning sexual abuse and still supporting Michael if his accusers stories were actually true.

and yes, on michael's legacy, remembering the amount of videos i've seen in the past week where HUGE crowds have gathered at Forest Lawn at his grave on the 25th, and the amount of gifts fans still brought there, and the general cultural relevance Michael still holds to this day, I find it egregious to even assume his legacy is "tarnished." i would say the allegations stained his reputation rather than tarnished completely.
 
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thank you. this response is so much more constructive.

and as for me, i believe that, the "sleepovers" weren't even the issue. it was the way they were PERCEIVED (and still are perceived) that is the issue. the amount of times michael pointed this out: "when you think bed, you're thinking sexual", "it's people with a dirty mind that think that way", when it came to those who challenged his beliefs on and overall, his vulnerability towards children. and he's right! "bed" and "sleeping" do not immediately mean "sex", "molestation", and "grooming." it's just a gross assumption.


also, yes! i once wrote a long Letterboxd review of Leaving Neverland. at the end, i point out how exploitative it actually is of real CSA survivors, how it takes advantage of those who have actually been traumatized by abuse.

across many years, i've known and met MJ fans and non-MJ fans alike who are CSA survivors themselves whose stories totally contradict those of LN's. typically they do not describe their past abuse as a "loving" thing or even recall it with a shred of positivity at all (and personally, i find it disgusting how LN literally ROMANTICIZES the nature of the stories of alleged abuse. there's even been notices of resemblances to Victor Gutierrez's "michael jackson was a lover" in it, which is basically a pro-ship book that romanticizes pedophilia and a made-up "relationship" between Michael and Jordan Chandler. the author himself was also a pedophilia apologist, supporting pro-pedo groups such as NAMBLA). i also think Taj Jackson (michael's nephew who was molested himself by another family member) also pointed this part out, plus how Michael was very supportive to him and helped him get by after the abuse happened (which is pretty damn contradictory to how Michael is typically portrayed as a monster when he was actually highly sensitive to cases of children being abused, and did NOT condone it! there's also a video of michael giving a speech about the horrors of children being abused, including sexual abuse, but i'll have to find it. plus having written songs like "do you know where your children are," which cover the topic of sexual abuse.)

LN may not have the same agenda as "MJ was my lover" or Victor Gutierrez, but it's still disgusting how they portray a story of alleged CSA as something that is "loving" or in the same vein as one would describe a consensual relationship between two adults, when in actuality, CSA survivors are much more likely to develop PTSD, depression, anxiety, and other mental health problems because they were taken advantage of as children. CSA survivors in general are also often coerced into silence and stigmatized when speaking up about their stories in general, often being victim-blamed or being told they are lying, or threatened by their abuser that more bad things will happen to them if they tell anyone. and sadly, some abusers actually do go through with those threats...

and then, what happens when people like wade and james lie? suddenly, people are more mistrusting of ACTUAL survivors. they continue their stigmatization of them and don't allow them justice. they allow actual rapists and pedophiles to continue walking free, ready to and capable of abusing more people.

sexual abuse is such an irredeemable action. if Michael actually was a pedophile and committed these actions, i would never be a fan at all. all of my merchandise would be burned, i would never log back in here. even if it meant turning my back on the memories i made in this fandom, there is no way you would see me condoning sexual abuse and still supporting Michael if his accusers stories were actually true.

and yes, on michael's legacy, remembering the amount of videos i've seen in the past week where HUGE crowds have gathered at Forest Lawn at his grave on the 25th, and the amount of gifts fans still brought there, and the general cultural relevance Michael still holds to this day, I find it egregious to even assume his legacy is "tarnished." i would say the allegations stained his reputation rather than tarnished completely.
I totally agree with this! There are some out there who thinks that way, and that's disgusting! There are sick-twisted people out there who thinks romancing children is a wonderful thing... As Tamar Braxton would say, "LIES!"

I never saw "Leaving Neverland," and I never will, thank God... and if Michael really did committed those acts, it would've came out way before 1993, and thousands of those would've really let him have it!

A little off topic, and I'm in no way comparing because these are different cases: look at R. Kelly... Harvey Weinstein... Jeffrey Epstein... Bill Cosby... Jimmy Saville... Jared Fogle (the Subway guy)... Stephen Collins... O.J. Simpson... Jerry Lee Lewis... as examples. In America, racism does play a part in this (as a Black man myself, it gets touchy because there are so many of my people being falsely convicted or killed because of the corrupted justice system in America), then there's the fame... That's when things get tricky because it's now under a microscope... everybody's talkin! Again, you don't have to be a celebrity: the Menendez Brothers, some priests/preachers, Boy Scout leaders, teachers, cops, politicians... remember the show "To Catch A Predator?" It's insane! Also the sex trafficking that nobody wants to talk about? It's out of control out there!

"and as for me, i believe that, the "sleepovers" weren't even the issue. it was the way they were PERCEIVED (and still are perceived) that is the issue. the amount of times michael pointed this out: "when you think bed, you're thinking sexual", "it's people with a dirty mind that think that way", when it came to those who challenged his beliefs on and overall, his vulnerability towards children. and he's right! "bed" and "sleeping" do not immediately mean "sex", "molestation", and "grooming." it's just a gross assumption." -This, is agree with! Also, I don't like the term "grooming." That's for dogs!

A little off topic again... look at Tina Turner (God rest her soul)... the many times she talked about Ike Turner, and she never changed her story, EVER! Even Ike had to admit he did it... She finally found the courage to get out of that situation and never looked back... Even Michael's own sister La Toya... she had an abusive marriage, and she eventually got away from it! Yeah, she did that awful press conference in Tel Aviv, but I'm not holding it against her because it was against her will at that time (that's another conversation)... oh, there's so many more out there!

I know I'm sick of hearing about these allegations too, we all are... I get it. However, we can't let it get to us because if we do, we fall into their trap full of lies and deception... If you're feeling low, step away from your phone/computer and breathe/pray... send a prayer to Michael's family... and when that biopic comes out, I hope Jafaar would be mentally ready because... Ooowee...! Know what you're in for... The music will remain forever!
 
How's everybody doing?
I'm doing just fine.

One thing is for sure, I'm not planning on living inside this thread for the next 18 months or however long it takes for this thing to get to court. That would be exhausting! I think an outburst of discussion around this is to be expected, people need an outlet for their frustration or concern.

Some of my interest in this is purely intellectual. I'm genuinely baffled at how many times these two have been allowed to go to appeal. There have been times they've filed stuff late. Sanctions? There don't appear to be any. The perjury from 2013? Has that just been brushed under the carpet? I wish I had the legal knowledge to understand what's going on with all of that.

I'm not taking anything for granted with this thing but the MJE legal team seems to be good. I believe the estate has Tom Mesereau on a retainer of some sort. He's a criminal lawyer so I don't know if he will be working on this since it's a civil case but I assume he will be advising.
 
Here is a good breakdown on this case explained by a lawyer.
That was pretty good. Got off to a slightly shaky start bc Andy S. talks about being surprised that WR is taking his case to trial. Andy S. says, 'we've done this already'. Strictly speaking, no, we haven't bc 2005 was a different case, different accuser. So I kind of wish he had been slightly more careful with how he introduced the topic. But, mostly, that was a good video. For anyone who isn't up to speed on this it makes a pretty good introduction although I think people need to look into it a bit more for themselves, also.

The lawyer was great. Very useful. Very clear in his explanations. I would have liked to hear more from him. Jenny was great and added useful details into the story. Some of her account was new to me.

It felt slightly rushed but that's understandable bc it's an immediate response to the news. I think it was good to get something out so quickly.

The only bit that didn't work for me was when Andy S. invited WR to come on the show and answer questions about his claims. WR has a trial coming up, his lawyers aren't gonna let him near anyone. That just isn't gonna happen. So that was kind of a waste of time, imo. Although I totally understand the emotion behind that bit of the video.

I would watch it again. Thank you for posting it.
 
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The Elvis comparisons are ridiculous here. For someone to say Elvis is "more suspicious" than Michael Jackson is frankly absurd. You pull out a VICE article - of all things - as evidence of that, but how many "VICE-like" articles have been written on Michael Jackson? You're talking about a man who has been accused and investigated how many times now? Let's not make false equivalences just because someone is taking a swipe at Michael.

And by the way, the "stealing black music" schtick is straight up bullshit. Who decides what music belongs to who? Is black music sacred wile white music is for everyone? Elvis grew up with black music. He wasn't some white privileged kid living in the middle-class suburbs who snuck out at night to hijack black talent. He grew up with it the same way black kids grew up with it. You can argue he was more successful in the medium because he was white, but it's not fair to say he stole anything. Michael Jackson had a lot of white musicians work with him and inspire him, was he "stealing their music?"

Elvis actually put black singers front and center of his performances. Many places didn't want hi to bring his back up singers to his shows, but if they wouldn't allow him, he wouldn't play. Elvis was instrumental to the crossover appeal of black music and if not for him putting a relatable white face to it, there may not have been the Jackson 5 or Michael Jackson. Elvis was a cultural watershed moment that had to happen. Once Elvis broke through so did black music and black musicians. Once the general public heard "the devil's music" they couldn't get enough of it. It's time to stop shitting on his name.
 
thank you. this response is so much more constructive.

and as for me, i believe that, the "sleepovers" weren't even the issue. it was the way they were PERCEIVED (and still are perceived) that is the issue. the amount of times michael pointed this out: "when you think bed, you're thinking sexual", "it's people with a dirty mind that think that way", when it came to those who challenged his beliefs on and overall, his vulnerability towards children. and he's right! "bed" and "sleeping" do not immediately mean "sex", "molestation", and "grooming." it's just a gross assumption.


also, yes! i once wrote a long Letterboxd review of Leaving Neverland. at the end, i point out how exploitative it actually is of real CSA survivors, how it takes advantage of those who have actually been traumatized by abuse.

across many years, i've known and met MJ fans and non-MJ fans alike who are CSA survivors themselves whose stories totally contradict those of LN's. typically they do not describe their past abuse as a "loving" thing or even recall it with a shred of positivity at all (and personally, i find it disgusting how LN literally ROMANTICIZES the nature of the stories of alleged abuse. there's even been notices of resemblances to Victor Gutierrez's "michael jackson was my lover" in it, which is basically a pro-ship book that romanticizes pedophilia and a made-up "relationship" between Michael and Jordan Chandler. the author himself was also a pedophilia apologist, supporting pro-pedo groups such as NAMBLA). i also think Taj Jackson (michael's nephew who was molested himself by another family member) also pointed this part out, plus how Michael was very supportive to him and helped him get by after the abuse happened (which is pretty damn contradictory to how Michael is typically portrayed as a monster when he was actually highly sensitive to cases of children being abused, and did NOT condone it! there's also a video of michael giving a speech about the horrors of children being abused, including sexual abuse, but i'll have to find it. plus having written songs like "do you know where your children are," which cover the topic of sexual abuse.)

LN may not have the same agenda as "MJ was my lover" or Victor Gutierrez, but it's still disgusting how they portray a story of alleged CSA as something that is "loving" or in the same vein as one would describe a consensual relationship between two adults, when in actuality, CSA survivors are much more likely to develop PTSD, depression, anxiety, and other mental health problems because they were taken advantage of as children. CSA survivors in general are also often coerced into silence and stigmatized when speaking up about their stories in general, often being victim-blamed or being told they are lying, or threatened by their abuser that more bad things will happen to them if they tell anyone. and sadly, some abusers actually do go through with those threats...

and then, what happens when people like wade and james lie? suddenly, people are more mistrusting of ACTUAL survivors. they continue their stigmatization of them and don't allow them justice. they allow actual rapists and pedophiles to continue walking free, ready to and capable of abusing more people.

sexual abuse is such an irredeemable action. if Michael actually was a pedophile and committed these actions, i would never be a fan at all. all of my merchandise would be burned, i would never log back in here. even if it meant turning my back on the memories i made in this fandom, there is no way you would see me condoning sexual abuse and still supporting Michael if his accusers stories were actually true.

and yes, on michael's legacy, remembering the amount of videos i've seen in the past week where HUGE crowds have gathered at Forest Lawn at his grave on the 25th, and the amount of gifts fans still brought there, and the general cultural relevance Michael still holds to this day, I find it egregious to even assume his legacy is "tarnished." i would say the allegations stained his reputation rather than tarnished completely

I agree with your whole message.

But the 'sleepovers' or behaviour around children are simply not justifiable and is definetely an issue No matter how you perceive it (sexual or just inappropriate). It was just weird lets be honest. The public perceiving it as sexual was not the problem.

I know it was innocent, and indeed there was NO "sex", "molestation", and "grooming".

But apart from the people who do perceive it as 'sexual', there are people who perceive it as just inappropriate and weird, a grown man having friendship relationships with children and having sleepovers (how big his bedroom may have been) is simply weird, that was the problem.

Imagine your neighbour having sleepovers woth children, you'd not accept that. Your first is not, ah they must be playing tic tac toe, no you think think why is a grown man hanging out with children.

Now I 100% believe Michaels innocence dont get me wrong. but explain to a random non-michael fan person these 'sleepover' stories, I understand that they might think in worst-case scenario's. (People are protective of children). People close to michael should have warned him of the consequences.
 
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The Elvis comparisons are ridiculous here. For someone to say Elvis is "more suspicious" than Michael Jackson is frankly absurd. You pull out a VICE article - of all things - as evidence of that, but how many "VICE-like" articles have been written on Michael Jackson? You're talking about a man who has been accused and investigated how many times now? Let's not make false equivalences just because someone is taking a swipe at Michael.

And by the way, the "stealing black music" schtick is straight up bullshit. Who decides what music belongs to who? Is black music sacred wile white music is for everyone? Elvis grew up with black music. He wasn't some white privileged kid living in the middle-class suburbs who snuck out at night to hijack black talent. He grew up with it the same way black kids grew up with it. You can argue he was more successful in the medium because he was white, but it's not fair to say he stole anything. Michael Jackson had a lot of white musicians work with him and inspire him, was he "stealing their music?"

Elvis actually put black singers front and center of his performances. Many places didn't want hi to bring his back up singers to his shows, but if they wouldn't allow him, he wouldn't play. Elvis was instrumental to the crossover appeal of black music and if not for him putting a relatable white face to it, there may not have been the Jackson 5 or Michael Jackson. Elvis was a cultural watershed moment that had to happen. Once Elvis broke through so did black music and black musicians. Once the general public heard "the devil's music" they couldn't get enough of it. It's time to stop shitting on his name.
The Elvis comparisons made my blood boil 😡

What a ridiculous thing to come out with and say that he was more suspicious than MJ. A stupid stupid comment.

Thank you for acknowledging that.
 
Michael had a very unhealthy obsession with children, sexual or not, it was very bizarre.

From dolls and pictures of babies throughout his home , something was not right.

If you include the multiple allegations against him,. it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he could have done bad stuff.

I would be lying to myself if I thought it was ok because it was Michael, it was 100% not appropriate this type of behaviour.
 
Yes MJ was an eccentric, but his "obsession" with children also led him to donate over $500 Million in his lifetime and the MJ Estate is continuing to do so. Please stop comparing him to your next door neighbors!
You can still be a good person but do bad things.

In his mind, he was Peter Pan , he was the saviour of children and loved them unconditionally so for him, whatever he was doing he considered normal.

Let's be honest, if he was your next door neighbour he would have been locked up decades ago.

I'm on the fence as to where I stand, I don't want to believe this stuff but when I weigh up his behaviour, it does make you question what he was doing.
 
Yes MJ was an eccentric, but his "obsession" with children also led him to donate over $500 Million in his lifetime and the MJ Estate is continuing to do so. Please stop comparing him to your next door neighbors!
You still dont understand. We as fans understand Michael, yes he was eccentric, yes he identified with peter pan, yes he did a lot for charity and children.

And just because Michael was the biggest entertainer ever and eccentric, doesnt mean everything he did was acceptabele. Also we have to humanize Michael so we can reflect his action based on a neighbors or whoever.

But did still doesnt justify his behaviour, and people who havent researched Michael and base their opinion of media and tabloids, with their information, they dont accept it and will find it inappropriate.
 
You still dont understand. We as fans understand Michael, yes he was eccentric, yes he identified with peter pan, yes he did a lot for charity and children.

And just because Michael was the biggest entertainer ever and eccentric, doesnt mean everything he did was acceptabele. Also we have to humanize Michael so we can reflect his action based on a neighbors or whoever.

But did still doesnt justify his behaviour, and people who havent researched Michael and base their opinion of media and tabloids, with their information, they dont accept it and will find it inappropriate.
Sorry I don't need to "humanize" MJ based on my neighbors in suburbia or wherever. As long as he didn't do anything against the law he has the right to do whatever he wants to, even if I or my stupid neighbors don't approve of it.
 
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