Michael and Lisa Marie Discussion (Positive Thread)

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

You are full of speculating and taking now yourself Radar as a source in order to defend LMP.

The fact Lisa never said Lockwood had child porn on his computers in the court files like the tabloids reported seems to upset you for some reason. I wonder why.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

No, why shoud it? I stated the departement speaks from child abuse, don`t know why you find this better than child porn.

I agreed with this:
But, it's a bit hypocritical sorry it's very hypocritical to use a trash website like Radar Online when it suits you.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

There is a hearing regarding the child abuse and neglect in two weeks, it's still going.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

So if this investigation is still ongoing, why is the media saying that Lockwood has been cleared? Thus making Lisa look like she is out to smear her soon to be ex reputation etc.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Yes, I agree it is a bit hypocritical by me when I said earlier in this thread do not use RO. I still think it is unreliable and it is not good to use it as a fact. I still think so and I do not want to make it a fact either. They might have made that all up, it is not beyond them. But my point is not really whether that story is true or not. I only used it as an example as to what kind of other inappropriate pics those might be. Potentially, as a possible example - not as a definite fact.

My bigger point is not dependent on Radar's story though. Even if the story isn't true the point still stands because the point was never built on that RO story, it was built on Lisa's court doc. And in that Lisa never actually claimed child porn or even inappropriate pictures of children. It was a jumping to a conclusion by the media. In her paper she claimed inappropriate photos of something unspecified. We don't know what. It could be of children, but it could be of something else.

The police statement speaks of child abuse claims but again, they do not clarify the nature of what was alleged and what kind of abuse we are talking about and how they are related to the photos. What they actually say is that they could not determine if a crime occured in Tennessee. It sounds weird to me because from this it could mean that they don't have any evidence of a crime at all, or it could also mean that they only do not have evidence that it occured in Tennesse. Which one is it? I don't know. Now, we can be sure it is not child porn as child porn is a federal crime. They would have to investigate or further the investigation to the FBI if it was child porn. On the other hand the statement also says they never even opened a formal investigation, so if no investigation was even opened how could they conclude that no crime occured? It rather seems to be that they just concluded it is not their jurisdiction and that's it.

We know it is not the Tennessee police that Lisa went to anyway, it was Beverly Hills. Tennessee only got involved because they thought the alleged crime occured there. Now they say they couldn't determine that. So what now? Does it go back to BH for them to keep going?

Lisa's court doc talks of "sexual abuse and negligence" claims that will be discussed in the children's court on March 17. Again, nothing further is stated as to what is the nature of that alleged sexual abuse and negligence and who is accusing whom of what and how they are related to the photos. Lockwood himself stated that there were unproven allegations against BOTH of them. So we do not know a lot, apparently and I think we need to wait for more details. To me there is a lot that is not clear in this and there seems to be some pieces missing from the puzzle.

To me it seems like what you are trying to conclude is that if the police in Tennesse said they couldn't determine a crime occured in Tennessee that means Lisa lied and she falsely accused Lockwood. When in reality we do not even know yet what was the nature of the allegation or why Tennessee doesn't get involved (is it a lack of crime or is it simply a jurisduction debate?) let alone concluding anything about whether someone is lying.

I agree. The one thing we can say for sure is that we don't have enough information to conclude anything. We have more questions than answers and maybe that's the way it should be because there are minor children involved. I think jumping to conclusions on either side is equally bad. This includes saying Lisa Marie is a false accuser as well (I didn't actually see anyone in this thread saying Lockwood is guilty). But at the same time some here seemed to be frustrated that Priscilla is not trashing Lockwood in public.

We can take sides but it's still all based on opinions and speculations. Even after the Tennessee statement which is not very clear. But at least we know it is not a federal crime (child pornography, which is not something Lisa claimed in her declaration). Given the search warrant in Beverly Hills, I assume BHPD did start an investigation and then stopped it because they believed it is under Tennessee's jurisdiction. We also know the children are not in their parents' custody and social workers are present in their visitations.
 
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Sorry I think they clearly stated they did not open a case because there found nothing that would justify it.

never opened a formal investigation. We only embarked on an initial inquiry to determine if we could substantiate information with which to open a case.”

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Next date on court for Lisa and Lockwood is on March 17. This is about the divorce/custody/money.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Next date on court for Lisa and Lockwood is on March 17. This is about the divorce/custody/money.

No, you're wrong. The trial on March 17th is about sexual abuse and neglect in the Edelman Children's Court according to media reports.

The next hearing regarding the divorce is on April 10th. Two separate cases.

Future Hearings

04/10/2017 at 08:30 AM in department 83 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Conference-Trial Setting
 
Presley and Lockwood, her fourth husband, married in 2006 and welcomed their twin daughters in 2008 before the Graceland successor filed for divorce in June, citing irreconcilable differences and claiming Lockwood was a poor father and “took advantage” of her financially.


The pair are next due in court March 17.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Thanks, but I still think they will settle, based on what Priscilla has said in that interview with ET......no one wants to have their dirty linen out there on both sides. Also I have noticed that TMZ didn't report on the recent Lockwood findings....media bias?
 
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Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

So if it is true bout lockwood did in fact have inaaporite photos of children and there are is a hearing bout " sexual abuse and neglect" then why have settelemebt for"??? funny how when mj was going through hell Priscilla loveeeeddddddd making jokes bout mj and the allegations/1993 allegations but yet now that lockwood is in somewhat the same postion "its ok" for a settlement......... WHATTTTT AAAAA :angry: :rant:

And some of you guys are insinuating lisa is the abuser..........PLEASSSEEE!!!!!,
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Which one? The "smell here" one is authentic
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

That annulment one looks and sounds as fake as can be to me.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

The only one we know is real is the one that was stolen from Lisa's possession
 
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Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

The only one we know is real is the one that was stolen from Lisa's possession

Was it really stolen or did she leak it to help her promote her album, after all she did put herself in a corner during the Oprah Interview in 2010 that she wouldn't talk about MJ anymore in interviews? Maybe she couldn't help herself ;D
 
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Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Was it really stolen or did she leak it to help her promote her album, after all she did put herself in a corner during the Oprah Interview in 2010 that she wouldn't talk about MJ anymore in interviews? Maybe she couldn't help herself ;D
That's mean. :( It was stolen and showed up at an AUCTION-not auctioned by her.
She was told and they pulled it immediately at her request.

Great pictures @InvincibleMJ.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

That's mean. :( It was stolen and showed up at an AUCTION-not auctioned by her.
She was told and they pulled it immediately at her request.

Great pictures @InvincibleMJ.

Ok, learn something new (and that Lisa's nick name for MJ was Turd :rofl:....I wonder what his nick name was for her?), it was stolen and put up for auction :eek:hno: ......I wonder who did it and leaked it, and do they still work for her? :scratch:
 
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Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

^Agreed. Plus Lisa's reluctant response to the note in the interview you posted that doesn't even mention MJ is clearly well thought PR :smilerolleyes:. NOT!

Lisa has answered very few questions about MJ the few past years and many times refused to answer. That being said if you want to lie to yourself that she is in anyway cornered to not speak about MJ go ahead but the only people who want her to not talk about him are her haters and his :lol:
 
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Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

That's mean. :( It was stolen and showed up at an AUCTION -not auctioned by her.
She was told and they pulled it immediately at her request.
SMH, somebody probably found it and RAN to Ebay.

LMP bashers love to spread that around when there is nothing to back that up whatsoever - other than their malice towards Lisa. And what kind of promotion this would give to her anyway? Ridiculous. If you want to see an ex using their connection to a famous man to promote themselves look no further than Mayte, Prince's ex.

^Agreed. Plus Lisa's reluctant response to the note in the interview you posted that doesn't even mention MJ is clearly well thought PR :smilerolleyes:. NOT!

Lisa has answered very few questions about MJ the few past years and many times refused to answer. That being said if you want to lie to yourself that she is in anyway cornered to not speak about MJ go ahead but the only people who want her to not talk about him are her haters and his:lol:
While you both personally may like Lisa we can't forget why she has some haters/dislikers/bashers within the MJ fanbase in the first place.
Not including the petty AF people who's dislike/hate for her pretty much amounts to 'OMG she was with Michael and I wasn't, I HATE her! HE'S MINE!', she did talk trash about him while AFAIK he didn't say anything negative about her ever.

So while Lisa hate/dislike isn't allowed in this particular thread, and IDC if some other MJfans DO like Lisa for whatever reason, it's not as if some of the MJfans that hate/dislike/criticize her don't have a legit reason to.

Just felt the need to say this. :/
 
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Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

There is no legit reason to make up things about her like "she insinuated things regarding Michael and children".

And actually a lot of the dislike towards her IS petty as hell and is rather based on the fantasies of her bashers than facts. For example, this thing about her leaking the letter to promote herself IS petty as hell. It doesn't even make any sense, because how does such a thing promote her album? It's just some MJ fans' malicious fantasy with no fact to back it up. I do think often her haters within the MJ fandom behave a lot like MJ haters do.

There is legit criticism for what she said, but one would thing based on some of the hate towards her that she is up there with MJ's accusers. I actually thing some fans hate her more than his accusers. It is not just legit criticism there is an irrational hatered towards her as well which IMO about something else than her being a bitter ex in interviews 15 years ago. You cannot explain people actively making up things about her with that.

LOL, you're right about the bolded, but that's not really what I meant to address.
I just wanted to say that not ALL Lisa hate/dislike is irrational and petty.:lol:
 
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Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Sticking to the actual issue we discussed: it IS exactly one of those petty things, so I am not sure what you are defending. There is no evidence she leaked that letter to promote her album but fans spread that around. When it is just in their fantasy. It IS actually the perfect example of that pettiness. The idea that she somehow doesn't have the right to react to things that are just as much her private life as MJ's. That somehow underhandedness should be seen behind her every move. If that's not petty I don't know what is.
If you look at my original post and what I bolded I wasn't defending anything (especially not being petty and making up things or finding something negative where there is none).
I just used those comments to state how I feel about Lisa haters/bashers/dislikers instead of going pages back and quoting.:)

And BTW, almost zero of her haters will say things like what you described here:
You're right, they'll never come out and actually say it.
You know it's how some of em feel tho.:lol:
 
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Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Just felt the need to say this. :/

Not sure why you felt you needed to say that because in those posts you quoted the mention of her haters and bathers was in context and you're taking them it out of the context. Nobody said there is no legit criticism on Lisa, she's not perfect, nobody is. If you want to be taken seriously then respond to what was said instead of defending a behavior that wasn't even attacked here. The context was how petty Lisa haters are when they make up things with no proof and their irrelevant rants. If you think the points made on these people in context needs defense maybe it's time you admit to yourself you are one of them instead of beating around the bush. And if you're not, please explain why we are discussing it when it was not the point of our posts.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Not sure why you felt you needed to say that because in those posts you quoted the mention of her haters and bathers was in context and you're taking them it out of the context. Nobody said there is no legit criticism on Lisa, she's not perfect, nobody is. If you want to be taken seriously then respond to what was said instead of defending a behavior that wasn't even attacked here. The context was how petty Lisa haters are when they make up things with no proof and their irrelevant rants. If you think the points made on these people in context needs defense maybe it's time you admit to yourself you are one of them instead of beating around the bush. And if you're not, please explain why we are discussing it when it was not the point of our posts.
Well, this is a nice little rant.
However I needn't bother writing a true response.
Instead I will refer you to the convo me and Respect77 had.:)
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Well, this is a nice little rant.
However I needn't bother writing a true response.
Instead I will refer you to the convo me and Respect77 had.:)

I did read your exchange with Respect77 and you still haven't given a direct answer to what she said. However, I don't expect you to.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

I did read your exchange with Respect77 and you still haven't given a direct answer to what she said. However, I don't expect you to.
K, If this is how you feel.
My original post was a statement more then anything, so whether or not you or someone else is upset with that statement is of no importance to me especially considering I've already had a conversation about it clairfying why I posted it (which was to state that not all Lisa criticism/dislike/hate is irrational and petty, the posts I quoted were only quoted because I didn't feel like going back some pages just to bold the words I did) with someone that didn't immediately replay with a rant.
Goodnight, and have a good day.:)
 
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Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

It's not about of how much time it takes you to answer but the content of what you did answer, which was irrelevant to what WE wrote. You quoted me, I'm responding to you. Not ranting. If anything, you should be reading my original post because you were the one twisting what was said.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

It's not about of how much time it takes you to answer but the content of what you did answer, which was irrelevant to what WE wrote. You quoted me, I'm responding to you. Not ranting. If anything, you should be reading my original post because you were the one twisting what was said.
Yes, I did quote you and you did respond to me, with a rant, and if you read my last post in response to Respect77 you'll find that what you're saying to me right now and your first reply is quite irrelevant as I never meant to defend anything said in this thread in the first place.
Anywho, I'm done.:)
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

We were talking about a specific issue - ie. whether or not she leaked that note to promote her album. That's what we were addressing, not legit criticism of her, but you felt the need to jump in and talk about how there are legit reasons to hate her. Well, hate is a strong emotion and I personally don't think she did or say anything against MJ to warrant hate against her, but if someone has the emotion of hatred against her based on things she actually did say that's another matter. But that's not what we were talking about before you jumped into it. We were talking about a specific issue that's not based on facts but on assumptions. So in that context it really is puzzling as to why you felt the need of defending people's right to hate her.


I wasn't specifically defending the right to hate her.:lol:
My main point was that some of the MJfans that do hate/dislike her don't hate her blindly and do have legit reasons.
Really, had someone else brought up Lisa haters/bashers on the previous page instead of you and and InvincibleMJ I would have quoted them.
What I said wasn't in response to the letter conversation (as I actually agree that it doesn't make sense and is rather silly to say she leaked the letter), which can be seen by the words I bolded in my original post that started this conversation.:)
It was a statement with no real cause other then me wanting to say that not all of the MJfans that dislike Lisa are being petty or hate her blindly.
I could have said it later or I could have said it earlier but I said it today.:)
I suppose that I could have said the same thing sans bolded quotes tho.:lol:
 
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