Michael and Lisa Marie Discussion (Positive Thread)

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

No one said she couldn't have defended him better, but some fans take it out of context and create big a mountain out of a molehill re. that quote. It's actually harmful to MJ, not just Lisa, when fans claim things like "she insinuated things" when she never did.

It`s the same thing with the Weitzmann-interview. He clearly said he doesn`t believe MJ is a child molester and a few questions later he added "I was not in the room, but ...

So it`s really a overreacting from fans that he gets all the hate for this until today but of course it would be better he did not ad it to his answers.

Everyone knows you were not in the room.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Is this supposed to be equally upsetting as it would have been if she did "insinuate things"?
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

I did not say she did insinuate things, I agree with the opinion she could have done far better.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

I did not say she did insinuate things, I agree with the opinion she could have done far better.

I know you didn't but that's not what I asked.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Conjecture, is more specific. Michael Lockwood is fighting back at Lisa's conjecture. It sounds like the naked pictures are of Lisa and therefore she began to conjecture about her husband. It is the reason her kid's were taken away. Lisa needs to dry out from the drugs. (to conclude or suppose from grounds or evidence insufficient to ensure reliability). If you think Lisa is innocent of insinuate, then conjecture hits the nail right on the head with her. I'm glad Rabbi Schmuley came out with his tapes and put an end to their relationship with Michael closing his heart to Lisa. This is not conjecture!

" The only two people that were in the room was him and that kid" http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/interview-lisamarie-rollingstone.shtml

It is obvious Lisa never really knew Michael Jackson. Probably what ended their relationship is the same as it is with Michael Lockwood - drugs and alcohol, which is why there are pictures of how badly she behaved in front of her children. It sounds like Lisa's conjecture backfired and why DCFS stepped in and took the children away from the mother - Lisa. I can see why Michael became hardhearted towards her. She deserved it by Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson was done with Lisa's scheming ways. Case in point, her new divorce with husband number 4. Her conjecturing is turning on her and it is about time. Stop the scheming Lisa!
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Did she run out of Debbie pictures?
 
respect77;4185414 said:
No one said she couldn't have defended him better, but some fans take it out of context and create big a mountain out of a molehill re. that quote. It's actually harmful to MJ, not just Lisa, when fans claim things like "she insinuated things" when she never did.

I see your point.....but didn't Jermaine take her to task back in 2004 (years before he talked about her in his "You Are Not Alone" book about MJ?) I found this article and yes Stacy Brown wrote it for NBCNews :censored: where he interviews Jermaine Jackson over her comments she made about MJ called Jermaine weighs in on Lisa Marie's comments "Everyone's trying to kick Michael while he's down," he says http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4551603/n...ine-weighs-lisa-maries-comments/#.WLdi7X-MROY

MSNBC: During a recent interview with an Australian television reporter, Lisa Marie Presley, intimated that she knew things, which, of course, was easily interpreted as perhaps she saw inappropriate behavior between Michael and young children. Today, she released a statement that read, in part, “Unfortunately due to the recent media frenzy surrounding Michael Jackson, my comments on a recent Australian television interview regarding him were completely taken out of context and erroneously read into. In saying “I saw things” I was specifically referring to things in that relationship with us, that went on between us, at the time as husband and wife and that dynamic.” Jermaine, what do you make of her comments?

JACKSON: Why would she say any of that stuff in the first place? I don’t understand why would she do that. I think everybody wants attention and they are using my brother where they can to get the attention.

MSNBC: And Lisa Marie Presley’s comments come on the heels of former CBS Records president Walter Yetnikoff’s new book “Howling At The Moon,” where he calls Michael “weird” and says your brother “was a strange guy, a little baby.”

JACKSON: I don’t know why these types of books continue to get published. All this negativity. Why can’t they publish a book that’s positive? That’s what I’d like to do, a positive story. Yetnikoff is obviously just trying to sell his book with those comments. What is sad is that everybody is trying to kick Michael while he’s down. I will say that once this (molestation case) is over, he’s now got to know without a doubt who his real friends and enemies are.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Been listening to Storm & Grace (2012) I think its an amazing album (y) T-bone Burnett produced it :chillin: My fav songs are Just a Dream, I Was Wrong, Close to the Edge and Forgiving.

 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

No one said she couldn't have defended him better, but some fans take it out of context and create big a mountain out of a molehill re. that quote. It's actually harmful to MJ, not just Lisa, when fans claim things like "she insinuated things" when she never did.

This is how I feel about it too.
Could she have defended him better.
Yeah she could have, but do I think she insinuated anything?
Nah, I don't think she did.
Hell, when it comes to the allegations Michael's own sister (Latoya) did worse to him.

IMO Lisa was bitter enough toward MJ after the divorce to the point things don't even have to be made up, so it is rather petty when things are indeed made up.:lol:
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Conjecture, is more specific. Michael Lockwood is fighting back at Lisa's conjecture. It sounds like the naked pictures are of Lisa and therefore she began to conjecture about her husband. It is the reason her kid's were taken away. Lisa needs to dry out from the drugs. (to conclude or suppose from grounds or evidence insufficient to ensure reliability). If you think Lisa is innocent of insinuate, then conjecture hits the nail right on the head with her. I'm glad Rabbi Schmuley came out with his tapes and put an end to their relationship with Michael closing his heart to Lisa. This is not conjecture!

" The only two people that were in the room was him and that kid" http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/interview-lisamarie-rollingstone.shtml

It is obvious Lisa never really knew Michael Jackson. Probably what ended their relationship is the same as it is with Michael Lockwood - drugs and alcohol, which is why there are pictures of how badly she behaved in front of her children. It sounds like Lisa's conjecture backfired and why DCFS stepped in and took the children away from the mother - Lisa. I can see why Michael became hardhearted towards her. She deserved it by Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson was done with Lisa's scheming ways. Case in point, her new divorce with husband number 4. Her conjecturing is turning on her and it is about time. Stop the scheming Lisa!

what do you mean the naked pictures are of lisa?????? Are u implying its lisa with the pics of naked child????? Huh
 
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Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

I didn't get settlement from any of that
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

what do you mean the naked pictures are of lisa?????? Are u implying its lisa with the pics of naked child????? Huh

Radar claims Lockwood has naked pictures of Lisa and I guess everything they say is the truth. Not. Ignore her.
 
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Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

I am no fan of Lisa Marie Presley and never will be. But, it's a bit hypocritical sorry it's very hypocritical to use a trash website like Radar Online when it suits you. They can't be liars when it comes to Michael but be truthful when it comes to Lisa
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

"It's still a very family-oriented environment for them," Priscilla says. "They've been with me for -- it'll be over nine months. They're great. They're doing wonderful. They're living a great life. They see both their parents, and we'll see what happens."


You can`t say this statement/last sentence from Prisciala is one-sided. It seems to be neutral.
 
People http://people.com/music/lisa-marie-presley-michael-lockwood-tennessee-investigators-end-involvement/

EXCLUSIVE

Tennessee Authorities Conclude Investigation of Lisa Marie Presley’s Estranged Husband Without Charges

BY JORDAN RUNTAGH•@JORDANRUNTAGH

After preliminary investigations into Lisa Marie Presley‘s shocking claims that her estranged husband Michael Lockwood possessed inappropriate photos of children, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation has ended their involvement without filing charges or opening an official case.

“Barring any new potential evidence or information, we have concluded our involvement in this matter,” T.B.I. Public Information Officer Josh DeVine tells PEOPLE. “We have not been able to determine a crime occurred in Tennessee and accordingly do not have an open investigation.”

However, DeVine also noted that the organization “never opened a formal investigation. We only embarked on an initial inquiry to determine if we could substantiate information with which to open a case.”

In court papers filed in California Superior Court in early February, Presley claimed that the couple’s 8-year-old twin daughters were taken from their custody and that Lockwood is the subject of criminal investigations involving hundreds of inappropriate photos of children that authorities found on his electronic devices. Presley, the 49-year-old daughter of Elvis, said in the court documents that the allegations left her “shocked and horrified and sick to my stomach.”

Lockwood’s lawyer, Jeff Sturman, rejects the claims – stating that Presley’s filing does not accurately reflect the situation. “Mr. Lockwood and his lawyers believe that it is very unfortunate and inappropriate that Ms. Presley chose to file a one-sided, inaccurate version of the facts in the Family Law Court’s publicly accessible files,” he told PEOPLE in a statement. “Ms. Presley and her lawyers undoubtedly knew that their highly sensational, inaccurate and unproven claims would be of great interest to the media, which would disseminate Ms. Presley’s inaccurate story as a result.”

The West Hollywood Police Department confirmed that authorities served a search warrant related to the Presley family.

Inside the shocking allegations revealed in Lisa Marie Presley’s court battle with estranged husband Michael Lockwood
The filing from Presley’s lawyers did not mention why the children were allegedly taken from the custody of both parents. At present they remain with Presley’s mother, Priscilla, who opened up about the tumultuous family drama to Entertainment Tonight on Wednesday.

“It’s still a very family-oriented environment for them,” Priscilla, 71, shared. “They’ve been with me for — it’ll be over nine months. They’re great. They’re doing wonderful. They’re living a great life. They see both their parents, and we’ll see what happens."

Presley squared off in court with Lockwood last week, where a judge ordered the actress-singer to pay $50,000 of Lockwood’s attorney fees at the rate of $10,000 per month, a source familiar with the situation previously told PEOPLE.

The exes’ legal teams also battled over Lockwood’s request for spousal support, which the judge did not grant at that time.

Presley and Lockwood, her fourth husband, married in 2006 and welcomed their twin daughters in 2008 before the Graceland successor filed for divorce in June, citing irreconcilable differences and claiming Lockwood was a poor father and “took advantage” of her financially.

The pair are next due in court March 17.
 
BHPD Say They Found “No Criminal Activity” In Lisa Marie Presley Child Abuse Case http://sizzlingtea.com/bhpd-say-the...ivity-in-lisa-marie-presley-child-abuse-case/
Entertainment - March 2, 2017


BHPD Say They Found “No Criminal Activity” In Lisa Marie Presley Child Abuse Case

Sizzling Tea – Beverly Hills Police Sergeant Max Subin sent the following press release in response to events surrounding a petition for legal separation between Lisa Marie Presley and husband Michael Lockwood, in which their 8-year-old twin daughters, Finley and Harper Lockwood, were taken into custody by California’s Department of Children and Family Services:

“In June, 2016, the Beverly Hills Police Department was notified of alleged child abuse involving the Presley family. It was then quickly determined the allegations stemmed from activity originating in the state of Tennessee. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigations (TBI) was notified and immediately responded to California to initiate their own investigation. Due to the fact that members of the Presley family were visiting the City of Beverly Hills at the time the allegations were received, the Beverly Hills Police Department assisted the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations with their investigation. Additionally, the Beverly Hills Police Department served a search warrant at a residence in the City of Beverly Hills that led to the seizure of several items pursuant to the warrant.

“It is believed there is no criminal activity related to these allegations in the City of Beverly Hills. We are currently working with the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations to evaluate the evidence. Based on the fact this is an open investigation, the Beverly Hills Police Department has no further information to provide.”

Lisa Marie has filed for divorce following the ten-year marriage with Lockwood. She is seeking sole custody of the girls after an incident in which she allegedly found “indecent photographs” of children on her husband’s computer, according to court papers. She also says that police seized over 80 devices from her husband.

Said court papers, “There is a trial set in March in the Edelman Children’s Court regarding allegations of sexual abuse and neglect that originated when I disclosed my concerns about the hundreds of inappropriate photos that I discovered that Respondent had taken as well as disturbing video footage and behavior. When I discovered the photos on Respondent’s computer, and viewed the videos, I was shocked and horrified and sick to my stomach. I had no idea that Respondent had taken these photos.”

In addition, Lockwood is seeking to nullify a post-nuptial agreement in which the pair agreed to make no claims on each others’ property. Lockwood is seeking spousal support of $40K a month, and another $100K in attorney’s fees from Presley, who claims she is destitute and mired in debt following the mishandling of her estate by her husband and business manager.

Presley, who entered rehab last August, disclosed in court documents that since her release, she has been living at her mother’s house and at her daughter, Riley Keough’s house. She also says that she has not traveled or purchased any luxury items, that her home in Sussex, England is underwater, and that she owes the government of England and the US over $1.5 million in taxes never paid by her business manager. She claims that Lockwood spent over $1 million on her credit cards without her consent and that he mismanaged her affairs during their marriage.

Currently, according to court filings, she lists her income as $100,000/yr from her father’s trust, and a little over $4,000/mo. from work she does for Graceland, which she says that she uses to pay the family’s health insurance costs.

As for the evidence confiscated in the raid in Beverly Hills, Sgt. Subin says that a search warrant was served, and the BHPD, “recovered evidence. We are working with TBI to evaluate the evidence. It appears there is no evidence of a crime in the City of Beverly Hills. This is an open investigation. The preliminary investigation shows no criminal wrongdoing in the City.”

Presley has two grown children with her first husband, Danny Keough, son Ben and daughter Riley. She was also married very briefly to Nicolas Cage and to Michael Jackson before Lockwood.
 
^ This statement from BHPD was published two weeks ago
http://people.com/music/lisa-marie-presely-case-ex-child-pornography-tennessee/

The one from the Tennessee authorities is new information

“Barring any new potential evidence or information, we have concluded our involvement in this matter,” T.B.I. Public Information Officer Josh DeVine tells PEOPLE. “We have not been able to determine a crime occurred in Tennessee and accordingly do not have an open investigation.”

However, DeVine also noted that the organization “never opened a formal investigation. We only embarked on an initial inquiry to determine if we could substantiate information with which to open a case.”
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

No crime in Beverly Hills. What about Tennessee?
 
Justthefacts;4185540 said:
No crime in Beverly Hills. What about Tennessee?



Tennessee Authorities Conclude Investigation of Lisa Marie Presley’s Estranged Husband Without Charges

BY JORDAN RUNTAGH•@JORDANRUNTAGH

After preliminary investigations into Lisa Marie Presley‘s shocking claims that her estranged husband Michael Lockwood possessed inappropriate photos of children, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation has ended their involvement without filing charges or opening an official case.

“Barring any new potential evidence or information, we have concluded our involvement in this matter,” T.B.I. Public Information Officer Josh DeVine tells PEOPLE. “We have not been able to determine a crime occurred in Tennessee and accordingly do not have an open investigation.”
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

No crime in Beverly Hills. What about Tennessee?

They didn't open any investigation officially because they couldn't find evidence a crime occurred in Tennessee. Whatever that means.:bored:
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

The bottom line is at the moment they found no incrimating evidence against Lockwood in Tenn or BH.....and that might explain Priscilla''s recent interview, and why she is being neutral. Hopefully this nasty divorce will be resolved soon.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

I don`t think only at this moment, they concluded the investigations.
I think we sholud be happy for the childreen that their father did nothing wrong and the allagations according this matter are not true.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

I am no fan of Lisa Marie Presley and never will be. But, it's a bit hypocritical sorry it's very hypocritical to use a trash website like Radar Online when it suits you. They can't be liars when it comes to Michael but be truthful when it comes to Lisa

Agreed.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Lockwood's band promotion poster from the 90s. It was later posted on the band's myspace. Fans found out and he apologized a few years ago.

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This has just been brought to my attention. I am very sorry that this was posted. It was made over 20 years ago I have no idea who had put that together. It was inappropriate and disrespectful. I am a huge Michael Jackson fan and I was deeply saddened by his passing. Please accept my sincerest apologies. The picture has bee removed from the Wink MySpace page. and I would love it if you would remove it from here as well so it does not keep fanning the fires. Thank you, Michael Lockwood
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

^^^

Please take it away ... :cry: :puke:
 
The Police departements themselfes stated they were notifed of alleged child abuse

“In June, 2016, the Beverly Hills Police Department was notified of alleged child abuse involving the Presley family. It was then quickly determined the allegations stemmed from activity originating in the state of Tennessee. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigations (TBI) was notified and immediately responded to California to initiate their own investigation. Due to the fact that members of the Presley family were visiting the City of Beverly Hills at the time the allegations were received, the Beverly Hills Police Department assisted the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations with their investigation. Additionally, the Beverly Hills Police Department served a search warrant at a residence in the City of Beverly Hills that led to the seizure of several items pursuant to the warrant.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

This has just been brought to my attention. I am very sorry that this was posted. It was made over 20 years ago I have no idea who had put that together. It was inappropriate and disrespectful. I am a huge Michael Jackson fan and I was deeply saddened by his passing. Please accept my sincerest apologies. The picture has bee removed from the Wink MySpace page. and I would love it if you would remove it from here as well so it does not keep fanning the fires. Thank you, Michael Lockwood
Had no idea that Lockwood was/is an MJfan.:lol:
I lowkey wonder if it was awkward for Lisa having her husband be a fan of her ex-husband LOL.:lol:

Going back to LMP's statement in her complaint I just realized the whole "child porn" interpretation might be the media's misinterpretation. I mean this is what was in her complaint:

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It doesn't actually say "inappropriate photos of children" (like the media claimed, some even calling it "child porn") but it says "inappropriate photos". I went back to this because of that claim of him taking nude photos of Lisa while being passed out. While it comes from Radar Online and that's one of the most unreliable tabloids out there but these articles seem to be fed by someone from Lockwood's side and that story of him taking pics of a passed out LMP nude was disclosed by an alleged source close to him. So maybe these are rather inappropriate photos of her?

The only reason people jumped to the "child porn" conclusion is because of the Children's Court involvement and sexual abuse and neglect claims. And because that's the conclusion the Daily Fail's original article jumped to and the rest of the media ran with it But LMP's paper doesn't actually say that. It is very blurry. We do not know from this in what way these things are connected to each other - the sexual abuse claim, the neglect claim and the photos. What does she mean by sexual abuse and neglect? The pics or there is something else? And whose sexual abuse that would be? Could it be that she actually means he was taking inappropriate nude photos of her while she was passed out and with that he exposed their kids to inappropriate things and that's why it is in the children's court? Just an idea. Thing is the only reason we assumed it is about "child porn" or "inappropriate pics of children" is because the media jumped to that conclusion. But this doesn't actually say that. So I think we will have to learn more to see what it really is about.

Personally being an MJfan IDGAF about the media (because as we all know, the media just wants a juicy story) I read the document saw "children's court" and "inappropriate photos", paired with Lisa's level of disgust, and then deduced that the photos might be inappropriate ones of children.
If they aren't of kids though I'm extremely happy, and will be glad to have deduced wrong.:)
 
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Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

I am not talking about child porn, I quoted the department which said alleged child abuse.

Nobody knows exactly what were exactly the claims of LMP but according to the police-departement it belongs in the field of child abuse and now they stated they did find nothing to support the claims.
 
Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures and Discussion thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

You are full of speculating and taking now yourself Radar as a source in order to defend LMP.
 
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