LMP on Oprah 21/10/10 All Discussion Here - UPDATE Video's Start On Page 63

Have you gained respect for Lisa after watching this interview? Do you forgive/understand her now?


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As his ex-wife who knew him very well, saying 'i wasn't in the room, etc...' is just weird, is all. It leaves room for doubt, it leaves room for the stupid ass media to jump atop of it. It leaves room for many ignorant mawfuckas out there to say 'see? Even his ex-wife wasn't 100% sure about his innocence' . See what i mean? I just don't get it really.

I think it made sense, obviously she believes he was innocent (she married him after the 93 allegations for God's sake), what she's saying is that she doesn't blindly believe it as his ex-wife, but she knows what she believes and the only people who can 100% answer the question are those that were there which is true.

Personally I think that interview was a great insight into Michael Jackson and goes a long way to 'normalising' him.

We never knew Michael, she did and I think this shows her in a great light.

Those that hate her without knowing should remember Michael's words about judging people prematurely and 'before you know me, try hard to love me' etc.
 
I really did like those parts yeah, finally someone describing Michael as perfectly normal human being. Hopefully these haters and ignorant people out there will see how wrong they were about Michael all that time. And even Oprah agreeing when Lisa said Michael could make you feel very good in a special way. Oprah had that too she said when she interviewed him. Then why Oprah all the negativity all those years huh? Ah well...

Lisa also called him a master of manipulation of the media, what exactly did she mean? I mean...at the end of the day, the media had a huge part in his 'destruction' .
 
vitiligo and lupus are autoimmune diseases. If I am not mistaken "autoimmune" is different from "immune" (as in "Acquired immune deficiency syndrome"). It was AIDS that was denied in the statement. Not vitiligo or lupus.

he denied AIDS rumors by saying a general term. He is an emergency doctor I do not think he did or could diagnose vitiligo and lupus with the tests that he has done during the course of the treatment.


Thank you to both of you.

I did not notice the AIDS reference.
 
Lisa also called him a master of manipulation of the media, what exactly did she mean? I mean...at the end of the day, the media had a huge part in his 'destruction' .

I think she meant that he used the media for his purposes, for his career. You know he had a certain image, a way how he portrayed himself to the public. He let us only see the things, that he wanted us to see.
 
I really did like those parts yeah, finally someone describing Michael as perfectly normal human being. Hopefully these haters and ignorant people out there will see how wrong they were about Michael all that time. And even Oprah agreeing when Lisa said Michael could make you feel very good in a special way. Oprah had that too she said when she interviewed him. Then why Oprah all the negativity all those years huh? Ah well...

Lisa also called him a master of manipulation of the media, what exactly did she mean? I mean...at the end of the day, the media had a huge part in his 'destruction' .

Oprah likes MJ's personality, she obviously loves his music as well. But she doesn't like his behavior, simple as that.

Oh and money.
 
I have to ask some posters on this board- who's side are you on?

I think it's a little childish to think in terms of that...it's not about being on 'sides'....it's forming an opinion based on what we hear...I've always believed in Michael NO MATTER WHAT....I'm on no one's SIDE....that's not fair...I just think LMP was painstakingly honest in this interview....she painted him in a very human light..flaws and all..
 
I think it's a little childish to think in terms of that...it's not about being on 'sides'....it's forming an opinion based on what we hear...I've always believed in Michael NO MATTER WHAT....I'm on no one's SIDE....that's not fair...I just think LMP was painstakingly honest in this interview....she painted him in a very human light..flaws and all..

Well said :yes: , I agree completely..
 
I voted "No." The interview pretty much went on as I had imagined. Oprah keepin on pushing for the "He was a helpless drug addict" theory, LMP going along with it and trying to save face. Of course, she opened up a lot more than she ever did before, but what's the use now after all the things said and done on her part? Years of bashing him could and SHOULD be forgiven with this interview?:smilerolleyes:
 
I have to ask some posters on this board- who's side are you on?

What do you mean who's side?
I'm team Mike AND Lisa. :) They were a beautiful couple in my eyes. They gave each other a lot.
Of course, I'm a much bigger Michael fan. He's in my heart and he always will stay there and I will do anything to defend him and get the justice out there.
But I don't think you can say I'm on Michael's side or Lisa's side. They were a unit, they are not opponents.
 
i like Lisa BUT

with that answer she's just washing her hands of that important issue.
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Again, this is an "hear what you want" kind of interview.
 
Oprah likes MJ's personality, she obviously loves his music as well. But she doesn't like his behavior, simple as that.

Oh and money.

His behaviour? But in what way? And also....does she believe in MJ's innocence or not? It was never really clear to me.
 
I applaud you all for being so understanding. I can't. Personally, I think she's just given even more ammunition to help Murray's case. She basically told the world that Michael Jackson got whatever he wanted - it's was his way or the highway. Many, many references to drug use but barely any reasons given as to why he was taking them and who was prescribing them.

If Katherine's interview goes down the same route, I reckon you can kiss good bye to any hope of Murray serving time.

They should all have just kept their mouths shut.

Of COURSE. And, if there is any doubt now about Oprah's motivations, watch how she was the one who directed the conversation back, and back, to the topic of DRUG-USE. I shudder at what she will ask Katherine, and the children!

This was LMP's opportunity to make things right, and to defend Michael in death as she never did in life. Surely she KNOWS there is a criminal trial coming up for Murray? In that trial, the defense will try to paint a portrait of Michael as a drug-addled junkie. It's a weak defense, but attacking his character is all they've got. She KNOWS Michael was murdered, but yet she threw him under the bus. Oprah continuously guided the topic back to drug use. LMP didn't say she ever SAW Michael taking drugs, but yet that is the image she portrays of him. Why she found that necessary at this critical time, I have NO idea. There are time in life when we must make pivotal choices, and this was one of those. Now, her choices are part of her own history.

With a trial coming up, if any still doubt that she threw him under the bus, consider that she SAID her father's death and Michael's were IDENTICAL! No, they were not! She really did say that, for an audience of millions. She strongly implied, if not said, that his 1995 collapse was due to a drug-overdose. It was NOT, and his doctor at the time said it was not, at a tv press-conference. She also failed to speak out strongly that he would never be capable of harming a child. IMHO, she's done a lot of damage, now. For those who do not know Michael as his fans do, that's all they will know of his private-life. That Michael overdosed just like Elvis (he did NOT), and that his own wife wasn't certain if he ever molested children. It's so very, very sad, that she felt the need to speak out at all, much less BEFORE Murray's trial!

She had an opportunity to defend him, and she failed at that. Michael was a gentleman, and never talked in public about their marriage. The very best thing LMP could have done at this time to respect his memory, was to say absolutely NOTHING.

He reached out to her in 2005, during the worst period of his life, asked her if she loved him, and she told him she was INDIFFERENT? I will never forgive her for making Michael cry, at such a devastating time. There are different kinds of love, including love-in-friendship. Surely she could have done that much for him?

She said that Michael TOLD her he thought there were people out to kill him for the ATV catalog and for his estate. And then she refused to name names? She needs to step right up and do so. Michael isn't here to speak for himself, but she should now relate to someone, what Michael thought about his life being at risk. She could have done so much good for his legacy and for his children's futures, and she chose otherwise.

Michael, wherever you are, I'm just so very sorry. You deserved better. . .
 
I agree entirely with this post. This interview has made Michael and them as a couple much more real for me. I don't doubt Lisa Marie's sincerety one bit. She did good.

I found it interesting to hear she felt 'intoxicated' by Michael. Even though she was his wife, I can sort of relate as a fan. He could be pure magic, how it must have been to be in his day-to-day presence. I like it that she adressed this 'intoxication', her love for him and her 'highs' and at the same time could point out his flaws and her own. I hope she will eventually look back with peace and happiness at the time she shared with him - she's still a very very lucky girl you know.

Thank you.

As fans we always expected a lot from Michael, and from those who knew him. When we hear someone talk about Michael, we like to hear confirmation of all that we know about him. This is why theres only ever a forum-wide collective love of someone who talks about Michael's lighter and happy side.

The issue of her leaving Michael - walking away from him - as sort of a final stand to "wake" Michael up about what he was beginning to surround himself with smacks of pure realism. It has happened to me in my own life (not for same reasons exactly) but leaving the person you love is sometimes the only option if staying with them can be more negative then positive. It takes A LOT of courage to do so, even though she now regrets her decision.

By stating her reasons for leaving Michael, I didn't see it as a negative per se; but more of a confirmation of things people have said over the years in terms of Michael surrounding himself with "yes men". It's perfectly understandable, and even LMP justifies this with the comparison to her father - when you're the King of your own world, it can be very dangerous.

At the end of the day, I applaud her for speaking out like she did. In retrospect she could have dealt with the child abuse questions better, but I will not discredit her entire interview on that basis.
 
Oprah's hypocrisy disgusts me. And I'm sorry but I can't forget how Lisa in her previous interviews bashed Michael and was so ashamed in their marriage and suddenly she changed..she said he was the biggest mistake in her life, no? where was she before he died? where everyone was before he died? during the trial when he needed support the most? maybe he wouldn't be dead today if he had good friends around him to support him and help him.. instead of trashing him and abandoning him in his hardest time. In my opinion she did this interview ONLY for herself cuz the guilt feelings that she will have to live with for the rest of her life so yeah I do feel sorry for her its a hard thing to live with
 
Ok people lets play a game of words vs actions

Lisa words yesterday Michael have your head on straight ESP when it comes to drugs. Lisa's actions Talked about Michael like a dog.

Lisa's words I left Michael because of drug use and doctors and the vampires around him. Lisa's actions she filed for divorce in January 20m 1996 I think however who did Lisa watch the grammys with in February 1996 Michael himself hell she said so during an interview with Jane Magazine. It is time for me to leave for work but I will come back later
 
This was LMP's opportunity to make things right, and to defend Michael in death as she never did in life. Surely she KNOWS there is a criminal trial coming up for Murray? In that trial, the defense will try to paint a portrait of Michael as a drug-addled junkie.
Nothing will change the fact that it was Murray, a doctor, who gave Michael Propofol and killed him by his stupid actions. A doctor should know that he couldn't give an addict what the addict wants to. Even if the alleged addict is called Michael Jackson. That's the responsability of a doctor.
So they can try to portray him as a junkie as much as the want, but the fact remains that Murray killed him. Period.
Oh, and they also will have a problem with the autopsy report which says Michael wasn't.
 
Why she looks so plastic someone please explaine.I watched in bad quality and in a moment I thought she has some kind of a face mask one her face... Can you give me some quality footage.Is this a image problem or she had something terrable done on her face?
 
Oprah's hypocrisy disgusts me. And I'm sorry but I can't forget how Lisa in her previous interviews bashed Michael and was so ashamed in their marriage and suddenly she changed..she said he was the biggest mistake in her life, no? where was she before he died? where everyone was before he died? during the trial when he needed support the most? maybe he wouldn't be dead today if he had good friends around him to support him and help him.. instead of trashing him and abandoning him in his hardest time. In my opinion she did this interview ONLY for herself cuz the guilt feelings that she will have to live with for the rest of her life so yeah I do feel sorry for her its a hard thing to live with

I agree.. Oprah disgusts me.. She is so fake it's unbelievable. I also have no respect for LMP and this interview changes nothing for me. It's way too little to love MJ now. Mike is dead. He could've used some love and support when he was around.
 
This board is all about Michael what's the vote thingy....?
Does it imply it's wrong to hate her? or does it imply we should forgive her?
hope it's not. I never hated her... I don't think some LMP haters are wrong.

Wish we could continue having discussion about her in other sections not here in news section...

and I just hope Ophra stop being obsessed with Michael. She is being someone hard to stand
Guys please don't stop posting at Ophra.com and I want to thank you all MJ supporters who posted
sincere comments.
 
Of COURSE. And, if there is any doubt now about Oprah's motivations, watch how she was the one who directed the conversation back, and back, to the topic of DRUG-USE. I shudder at what she will ask Katherine, and the children!

This was LMP's opportunity to make things right, and to defend Michael in death as she never did in life. Surely she KNOWS there is a criminal trial coming up for Murray? In that trial, the defense will try to paint a portrait of Michael as a drug-addled junkie. It's a weak defense, but attacking his character is all they've got. She KNOWS Michael was murdered, but yet she threw him under the bus. Oprah continuously guided the topic back to drug use. LMP didn't say she ever SAW Michael taking drugs, but yet that is the image she portrays of him. Why she found that necessary at this critical time, I have NO idea. There are time in life when we must make pivotal choices, and this was one of those. Now, her choices are part of her own history.

With a trial coming up, if any still doubt that she threw him under the bus, consider that she SAID her father's death and Michael's were IDENTICAL! No, they were not! She really did say that, for an audience of millions. She strongly implied, if not said, that his 1995 collapse was due to a drug-overdose. It was NOT, and his doctor at the time said it was not, at a tv press-conference. She also failed to speak out strongly that he would never be capable of harming a child. IMHO, she's done a lot of damage, now. For those who do not know Michael as his fans do, that's all they will know of his private-life. That Michael overdosed just like Elvis (he did NOT), and that his own wife wasn't certain if he ever molested children. It's so very, very sad, that she felt the need to speak out at all, much less BEFORE Murray's trial!

She had an opportunity to defend him, and she failed at that. Michael was a gentleman, and never talked in public about their marriage. The very best thing LMP could have done at this time to respect his memory, was to say absolutely NOTHING.

He reached out to her in 2005, during the worst period of his life, asked her if she loved him, and she told him she was INDIFFERENT? I will never forgive her for making Michael cry, at such a devastating time. There are different kinds of love, including love-in-friendship. Surely she could have done that much for him?

She said that Michael TOLD her he thought there were people out to kill him for the ATV catalog and for his estate. And then she refused to name names? She needs to step right up and do so. Michael isn't here to speak for himself, but she should now relate to someone, what Michael thought about his life being at risk. She could have done so much good for his legacy and for his children's futures, and she chose otherwise.

Michael, wherever you are, I'm just so very sorry. You deserved better. . .

totally agree. IS NOT ONE PERSON EITHER FAMILY OR FRIENDS GOING TO HELP MICHAEL AND THE TRUTH AND HIS KIDS IN ALL THIS MESS?
On reflection in agreement with the above LMP has just helped Murray's defence. Another person helping Murray's side AGAIN!
 
I didn't like LMP's previous interviews as much as the next MJ fan however I think she cleared some of that up in the Oprah interview.

Regardless if you believe her or not, it's really not THAT hard to fathom IF you can try to look at it through her eyes, as she describes the separation. If you step back for a moment, and pretend that this story wasn't about Michael and Lisa Marie and you imagine that they were another couple, the distancing and all the negative talk she gave can be somewhat understood. It's not nice, do not get me wrong - it's ugly, but at the same time, probably natural.

If you want to believe her story for a moment, take in the following:
- The majority of their marriage was great, loving and above all NORMAL.
- They had trust between each other - She felt he really opened up with her and could tell her anything.
- She accepted certain things in their partnership that were probably unique to Michael due to his massive fame. She could deal with it mostly.
- She was intoxicated by Michael. She was completely wrapped up in his world.
- She mentions a few times that some of her greatest times in her life were when she would be there for him and HELP him with certain issues.

then...

- Increasingly as time went on she would notice certain things such as the drugs he was on.
- People around Michael (which she named "vampires") were becoming more predominant in his life.
- She felt "disposable" by Michael at times (i.e the Debbie Rowe child bearing issue).

There was more and it's in greater depth when she talks about it however you can see that when the decision was made to walk away from Michael, she would have been extremely hurt and as a sort of "defensive" mechanism, would have felt very bitter towards him. How many separated couples do you know of that literally HATE each other even though the reason for their own separation was rather minor in comparison? She would have lashed out and said some incredibly nasty things, as any normal person would do. It's okay for us to sit back and view it from the outside and wonder how she could possibly say such hurtful things, but they were clearly in love and she never got over it.

Finally, if what a lot of people close to Michael say is true (Michael's own family, close friends and LMP) then getting to Michael to intervene and "be there" for him would have been terribly difficult. She is only reacting NOW, as anyone would in her own situation - guilt. There are close fans and many other celebrity friends who have said they wish they had of spoken up, but like any tragedy, you always hold some kind of blame and wish you could go back and try to fix what you didn't think would happen.

I'm not on anyones side i'm merely just trying to see things from a neutral standpoint. I hope some can appreciate that.
 
I have never hated LMP, I just think she made big mistakes and she still do. I don't understand why she didn't really defended him when Oprah asked her about the allegations. She should say he would never harm a child instead of "I was not with him in the room". From what she said, I can understand she didn't believe in his innocence... Even if she didn't think that, it's not good for the press...
The second problem is that made him drug addict... We all know Michael had health problems and needed pills... But those pills were prescribed buy doctors... He also had a doctor with him when he died... So Michael didn't die like Elvis, as a drug addict...he died cause of a overdose gave by his doctor=homicide... He died because no one cared about him and his problems. It's really sad to know he died loving her and being alone with his heart broken...
 
This thread is over 85 pages!!! Wow..

I feel scary imagining Ophra smiling and saying "This is what I expected to see!"
The more controversial the more attention she gets
 
So Lisa is basically saying, "MJ I'm leaving you because of all of the people you have around you. I can't stay married to you because I don't want to have to deal with helping you or being concerned with the problems in your everyday life. But, I will follow you all over the world and sleep with you even though you' re married and I am engaged."

"You see, what I want from you is something physical. It's strong enough for me to chase this physical thing, but not strong enough for me to try to help you mentally and emotionally. It's too complicated and I just don't feel like it. But, if you do not give me what I want, how I want it, I am going to tell anyone who will listen that you are a mistake and a manipulator who used me in our marriage to gain points in the public's eyes. Oh, but now that you are dead, I am going to forgive you for all that I did and paint you as a person who had a drug problem so I can make myself feel better, because really this is about you ultimately being unable to pick me over your career and give me your undivided attention. So I'm admitting my mistakes, but it is all your fault. And since you died, I figured this out and needed to forgive you. I forgive you MJ."

:smilerolleyes:
 
I didn't like LMP's previous interviews as much as the next MJ fan however I think she cleared some of that up in the Oprah interview.

Regardless if you believe her or not, it's really not THAT hard to fathom IF you can try to look at it through her eyes, as she describes the separation. If you step back for a moment, and pretend that this story wasn't about Michael and Lisa Marie and you imagine that they were another couple, the distancing and all the negative talk she gave can be somewhat understood. It's not nice, do not get me wrong - it's ugly, but at the same time, probably natural.

If you want to believe her story for a moment, take in the following:
- The majority of their marriage was great, loving and above all NORMAL.
- They had trust between each other - She felt he really opened up with her and could tell her anything.
- She accepted certain things in their partnership that were probably unique to Michael due to his massive fame. She could deal with it mostly.
- She was intoxicated by Michael. She was completely wrapped up in his world.
- She mentions a few times that some of her greatest times in her life were when she would be there for him and HELP him with certain issues.

then...

- Increasingly as time went on she would notice certain things such as the drugs he was on.
- People around Michael (which she named "vampires") were becoming more predominant in his life.
- She felt "disposable" by Michael at times (i.e the Debbie Rowe child bearing issue).

There was more and it's in greater depth when she talks about it however you can see that when the decision was made to walk away from Michael, she would have been extremely hurt and as a sort of "defensive" mechanism, would have felt very bitter towards him. How many separated couples do you know of that literally HATE each other even though the reason for their own separation was rather minor in comparison? She would have lashed out and said some incredibly nasty things, as any normal person would do. It's okay for us to sit back and view it from the outside and wonder how she could possibly say such hurtful things, but they were clearly in love and she never got over it.

Finally, if what a lot of people close to Michael say is true (Michael's own family, close friends and LMP) then getting to Michael to intervene and "be there" for him would have been terribly difficult. She is only reacting NOW, as anyone would in her own situation - guilt. There are close fans and many other celebrity friends who have said they wish they had of spoken up, but like any tragedy, you always hold some kind of blame and wish you could go back and try to fix what you didn't think would happen.

I'm not on anyones side i'm merely just trying to see things from a neutral standpoint. I hope some can appreciate that.

I agree again. I really think this was the best interview Lisa could have given (except maybe for the'not in the room' comment). She didn't all of a sudden pretend all was heaven when they were together and did not pull the widow Jackson act as some feared beforehand, she reflected critically on her former stance in interviews and elaborated on het own shortcomings, as well as Michael's. Above all she spoke with, love and compassion about Michael, and he still touches her deeply obviously. It made me gain respect for her, but also for Michael, drugs talk and all. It's a tragic love story, but love stories often are, sadly :(
 
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