LMP on Oprah 21/10/10 All Discussion Here - UPDATE Video's Start On Page 63

[ginvid]

Hey, guess what I just discovered... There is a poll at the top of the page. I never saw this before.

 

[music65]

OK LMP did say hurtful things about MJ in the pass at the 2005 trial time, but what about in 1993 to 1994 when she defended him tooth and nail and that time was the worst time I believe. Cause everybody with a half of brain knew that 2005 case was a big joke. But the 93' was allot more serious and the main cause of his demise. But she stood by his side give some credit for the good she did and stop dwelling on the negative. I understand how she must of felt hurt and may of even distrusted him at times after hearing all the rubbish about him..

 

[144000]

Hey, guess what I just discovered... There is a poll at the top of the page. I never saw this before.

yeah, but it's public.

 

[Thetruthbetold]

I really dont think lisa will ever be at peace with the whole mj stuff, i truly think it will eat her up and stay with her for the rest of her life. Shes trying to delibritely make her self think shes letting go of him, but i dont think it ever happen.

Yes i feel exactly what you are saying I just don't want to take this forum there cause they is a lot people should know its just F me up how Oprah played herself he died with a broken heart a heart that couldn't heal before he died he wanted to bless that stage one more time for his fans and to show his children who Michael Jackson the greatest entertrainer met to the world. In life god bless us with people who we think we can change who we think we can make Mr. right or Mrs. right but sometimes god take that all away and bless us with love that always been there. Michael made peace within himself he show his growth with his three buddies Prince Paris and little michael they are his blessings he wanted to be a husband he got to be that twice he wanted be a father he was a step dad and then he was bless with his own kids may he rest in peace.

 

[max000]

I really dont think lisa will ever be at peace with the whole mj stuff, i truly think it will eat her up and stay with her for the rest of her life. Shes trying to delibritely make her self think shes letting go of him, but i dont think it ever happen.

And you are lisa marie's shrink, how long.?

 

[Moulin Rouge]

I really dont think lisa will ever be at peace with the whole mj stuff, i truly think it will eat her up and stay with her for the rest of her life. Shes trying to delibritely make her self think shes letting go of him, but i dont think it ever happen.

I don't think she will either and a part of me feels she deserves it because no one can forgive her but Michael and he's no longer here.

I wish Michael would have had someone in his life during his last years. When he was married to lisa and they did that inetrview it was nice for once to see Michael have someone with him to stand by him.

I didn't like the way Lisa spoke about Michael when he was going through the trial around 2005 and i always felt she was bitter beacuse she was hurt, and i was right. Now that he's gone it's easy for her to come out and say she loves michael and etc because it's acceptable which seems oppertunistic but i always felt she never got over him and she seemed genuine.

That being said Lockwood must be an very understanding and balless guy to accept that his wife is in love with someone else and knowing that he could never make her feel as goos and when she was with Michael lol

 

[Asedora]

This is my last post here. Well, I saw this poll and voted "YES" because we have to forgive. I mean humans have to have this power to forgive regarding anything. This is not about Lisa only (I never hated her), it is about life. This is what I believe because without forgiveness there is no way to move ahead.

But still I did not change my opinion that this interview was unnecessarily. I understand that Lisa wanted to share her feelings but still it is NOT IMPORTANT anymore. She shared a few interesting private moments but they DO NOT matter. I do not like her saying about drug addiction and I think it is big mistake of her again to speak about it to Oprah.

 

[#1MJstan]

IMO she said a lot without saying a lot. I noticed how she put it out there that MJ would come out of the doctors offices loopy (not exactly what she said), I hope AK broke out in a cold sweat. Her and MJ were on some tit-4-tat type thing when they were pissed at one another, but that was their way of dealing with one another.

To me, LMP gave some insight as to why she said what she said in past interviews and that was because she was hurt and bitter. Sometimes it takes a lot to admit when you are bitter. I am sure we have all said some mean things about a person from our past that hurt us or whatever that we were in a relationship with. Her and MJ were no different, she chose to discuss it, MJ just shut ppl out of his life that that he felt wronged him. Ladies if your mate came up to you and told you that if you didn't have a baby, that he knows this other chick that would do it for him, you all would spit fire and throw everything but the kitchen sink at him. I still found it to damn funny that she put Debbie on blast like that. For the die hard fans we already knew Debbie had told MJ that, but for the others out there, I am sure they were a little shocked to hear that. Anyway, I am not here to say LMP or MJ were perfect. LMP will always have to live with the fact that she didn't get to fully explain to MJ why she said what she said when she went on tv, but in the end I am sure she made her peace when she was at the service.
Just my two cents:2cents::2cents:

 

[TheOriginalPYT]

Yes, we all must FORGIVE to advance as a human-being... NO doubt about that... and I do forgive her... but forgetting is a whole other story. She didn't need to come back and rub salt on old and healing wounds. And once again, I feel she did it for herself--NOT for Michael. She needed closure. For her OWN PEACE OF MIND. Simple as that. I certainly understand that as well... but she certainly did it for her own needs.

 

[144000]

I don't think she will either and a part of me feels she deserves it because no one can forgive her but Michael and he's no longer here.

I wish Michael would have had someone in his life during his last years. When he was married to lisa and they did that inetrview it was nice for once to see Michael have someone with him to stand by him.

I didn't like the way Lisa spoke about Michael when he was going through the trial around 2005 and i always felt she was bitter beacuse she was hurt, and i was right. Now that he's gone it's easy for her to come out and say she loves michael and etc because it's acceptable which seems oppertunistic but i always felt she never got over him and she seemed genuine.

That being said Lockwood must be an very understanding and balless guy to accept that his wife is in love with someone else and knowing that he could never make her feel as goos and when she was with Michael lol

why are you laughing at the guy?
anyway...if we are to go by most men..even the 'balless' ones..then Lisa Marie may be like Elizabeth Taylor in one sense. i respect Liz, so, this has nothing to do with saying one woman is like the other in all respects..but..this may be a marriage that won't last, either..as it is with all her previous marriages.

the question to ask the media is this. if they think her marriage to Michael was a mistake, AND she didn't stay married to any of her husbands, and, she loves her kids by one man, who is not Michael, but it was only Michael who intoxicated her...yeah..i guess i went there..

but the question is...were all her marriages a mistake, if the media wants to say the one to Michael was a mistake? is her current one a mistake? she thought MJ would be forever. maybe she thinks this current one is right. but what will she think in a few years? maybe no one just wants to be alone. maybe not. i'm just asking, not answering. she put it all out there, so i guess it's being tossed like a salad.

no doubt, Lisa Marie loves her children, though. the children don't necessarily have to do with the man, spiritually or emotionally speaking, yet, in the sense of children, i'm sure Lisa Marie is as grateful to Keogh as Michael is to Debbie Rowe.

 

[AngieJ]

What exactly did you enjoy about it? that it helped LMP or that she portrayed MJ as a drug addict? I didn't watch the interview but looking at the posts of some in this thread LMP doesn't help MJ at all.. All of this 'drug' talk will help Murray go free

Why say this now? When others dwelled on the positives she said, nothing was said from you. So don't now get upset when some choose to express they overall enjoyed the interview too.

The fact that a hardcore hater like you is so quiet right now, tells me she didn't give you what you wanted.

 

[ForeverKOP]

Hey, guess what I just discovered... There is a poll at the top of the page. I never saw this before.

Yeah, I added that about an hour ago. Hope you don't mind :cheeky:.

 

[Arklove]

I enjoyed the interview...She seemed to be painfully honest about her life with him, and I feel she truly understood him...I think she got a real sense of his soul, and his complexities....She was able to peel them off layer by layer....To me, this is true love....she understood him, felt the 'intoxication'..the fascination of him as a human being, and a husband to her...she accepted him...but she probably hated as fiercely as she loved.....sometimes, love does the most messed up things...sometimes things just don't make sense...they were both very passionate people...and maybe that clashed as easily as it meshed....she recognizes the things she's said in the past, and I respect her for speaking on these things..I think she did it for herself, and for him, in the sense that she wanted people to have a better understanding of Michael as the man...she wanted people to know he was an amazing person...but wasn't afraid to point out his flaws...i feel that she humanized him, in some sense...

 

[ivy]

yeah, but it's public.

come on man what you got to hide :cheeky: - just kidding btw.

Yeah, I added that about an hour ago. Hope you don't mind :cheeky:.

how about a middle ground as well? such as don't know, Not sure etc.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

IMO she said a lot without saying a lot. I noticed how she put it out there that MJ would come out of the doctors offices loopy (not exactly what she said), I hope AK broke out in a cold sweat. Her and MJ were on some tit-4-tat type thing when they were pissed at one another, but that was their way of dealing with one another.

Yeah, that one didn't go unnoticed.

Guess they both knew how to play that game.

...Ladies if your mate came up to you and told you that if you didn't have a baby, that he knows this other chick that would do it for him, you all would spit fire and throw everything but the kitchen sink at him. I still found it to damn funny that she put Debbie on blast like that. For the die hard fans we already knew Debbie had told MJ that, but for the others out there, I am sure they were a little shocked to hear that. ...

Well, in my sudden onset of telekinesis that his presence evokes in me- I would look to get rid of a few objects that make an argument really memorable when they fly.

Just call it force majeur.

And after you're done making room in the study for another chess set-he'd gently have the last word and remind her that trapping someone in a marriage when changing your mind about children AFTER getting married is really not cool at all. Not cool. It is cruel.
When the entire world knows that you really, really want children- you'd think your wife would know that as well. But apparently a few memos didn't reach the recipient here.

He had a bright head on his shoulders, that Michael. He married Debbie after she was pregnant and accomplished several goals at once. Don't ever anybody underestimate Michael Jackson's iron strong will.

In either case it probably is safe to say there is no danger of a sudden friendship between LMP and Debbie Rowe.

The dude REALLY intoxicates when the girls now throw aforementioned kitchen sinks at each other, not at him. That's brilliant.

I'm not trying to make light of this or anyone's pain, just trying to steer clear of this darkness, that's not healthy. Whatever happened between is impossible to glean, because in most cases even the original people involved cannot agree on one story.

That was her story, Michael kept his story away from Oprah and Larry King, you might say.

They are not the first and the last ex-couple that try figure out what the heck happened.

 

[Justthefacts]

I got something for Miss O

 

[Moulin Rouge]

I enjoyed the interview...She seemed to be painfully honest about her life with him, and I feel she truly understood him...I think she got a real sense of his soul, and his complexities....She was able to peel them off layer by layer....To me, this is true love....she understood him, felt the 'intoxication'..the fascination of him as a human being, and a husband to her...she accepted him...but she probably hated as fiercely as she loved.....sometimes, love does the most messed up things...sometimes things just don't make sense...they were both very passionate people...and maybe that clashed as easily as it meshed....she recognizes the things she's said in the past, and I respect her for speaking on these things..I think she did it for herself, and for him, in the sense that she wanted people to have a better understanding of Michael as the man...she wanted people to know he was an amazing person...but wasn't afraid to point out his flaws...i feel that she humanized him, in some sense...

I agree, i like the interview i just wish they could have mentioned that michael's death was a homicide unlike her father's and that Conrad Murray is being charged since he adminstered the propofol and the benzos. I don't like th idea of Murray being let of the hook a bit. Other than that this seemed like an open and honest perspective from Lisa Marie.

 

[classic]

From @jodigomes


WOW, its refreshing to see the forgiving & understanding tweets come in. i always see the anguish, despair and confusion. healing is good.
34 seconds ago


my prayers 2 U that have loved & lost. its gut wrenching, but u find a way to live with it & not focus on things that cant be undone.#HUMAN
5 minutes ago


the rest will linger privately in her heart & isnt OURs 2 know or judge. hv u ever loved & lost someone u couldnt save? i hv, it hurts 4eva
11 minutes ago


they shared intimate, special love like no other in his life,even long after divorce. hope u can appreciate her real pain too vs media crap
18 minutes ago


Icons r easy to love from afar.VERY difficult in eye of storm no matter how loving icons r.difficult world to survive.LMP did her best
23 minutes ago


he loved her.that's what i know. and i see the hurt in her, like many who couldn't help "save" a good soul. im glad fans "listened" vs judge
26 minutes ago


its difficult to PUBLICLY discuss any love life. LMP was honest, sincere and truly only skimmed surface of what she shared with MJ (more...)
27 minutes ago


my twitter was frozen, so Im just now seeing & reading your 100's of tweets about LMP on Oprah. My opinion is...
31 minutes ago



so, what are your thoughts on the Lisa Marie interview on Oprah? it's been quiet from #MJFAm
1 hour ago

Something is strange about all of this, especially after reading these tweets. Sorry but once again it feels as if part of this was from a "script" that many are going by, in my opinion. What is with all the LMP tried to "save" him stuff? So when she got her chance, if you take her account as total truth, to "save" him, she decides to just tell him how indifferent she is to him (this when he is coming out of the worst period of his life). He tells her who is trying to kill him but again there is the won't name names statement. And all the defending by Karen Faye of this interview (and no public statements against Oprah or Janet when Janet appear on the show), yet the trashing of the interview by Mrs. Jackson who may just have needed to do the same as LMP supposedly needed to do with this interview.

It just has me thinking.

 

[ForeverKOP]

come on man what you got to hide :cheeky: - just kidding btw.



how about a middle ground as well? such as don't know, Not sure etc.

Nah, if you don't mind I'd like to keep it the way it is. Either Yes/No - I'm all for hearing clear answers on this now.

 

[CherubimII]

Thank you, Mrs. Lisa Marie Jackson, for the "Love Story". :girl_in_love:
In the "Afterlife" Michael Jackson is smiling. :trytobeangel

 

[Lucilla]

I think we are not the ones who have to forgive her or not. MJ is, and because we know the man, we can be sure that he forgave her, probably even before she felt guilty. The truth is that I feel sorry for that heavy weight she has to carry for maybe her entire life, that kind of guilt. Not an easy thing to do.

Now, what I don’t understand is why at one point, she holds herself back when Oprah asked her about the allegations. “I wasn’t in the room, so it’s not fair to…” I don't get that part.
I’m just disappointed that the people, who have the chance to ’wave that flag’ as hard as they can, simply don’t do it.
I imagine Dame Elizabeth's answer to that specific question. How different that would have been.

 

[X_AGNES_X]

It absolutely hurt my heart to hear the last time they spoke, Michael tried to reach out to her and was hurt due to a lack of emotion on her end, at the time. You never know if that would've been the one thing to hold Michael together in the end, man, if only things could've been different.

that part was very sad. just to imagine how helpless he was...

 

[bluetopez]

OK LMP did say hurtful things about MJ in the pass at the 2005 trial time, but what about in 1993 to 1994 when she defended him tooth and nail and that time was the worst time I believe. Cause everybody with a half of brain knew that 2005 case was a big joke. But the 93' was allot more serious and the main cause of his demise. But she stood by his side give some credit for the good she did and stop dwelling on the negative. I understand how she must of felt hurt and may of even distrusted him at times after hearing all the rubbish about him..

MJ was never indicted in 93 so there was no trial to maybe go to jail for! He was though indicted for the 03 allegations that made the trial in 05 possible and made him face jail time for yrs! That to me makes that more serious!

93 could have went the same way but, didn't! Thank god! But, it started the beginning of the end!

So, Yea Lisa defended him for 93 and took it back in 05 :smilerolleyes: and then took it all back in 2010! :doh: Great!:smilerolleyes: Thanks Lisa!

 

[Butterfly26]

Re: LMP Back on Oprah This Thursday

One question,

Why now, why not when he was with us.

She will now have to live with the guilt for the rest of her life, as the one very person who would want to hear this is not here anymore.

It's all heartbreaking all over again. Everybody NOW realized what a special person he was flaws and all. Now he is gone forever and there's not a damn thing we can do about it. I wish he knew he was loved in his darkest hour. I wish to God he called me that day. I would of loved to of known him. I would of went. No matter what. No matter what mess we had before. I would of been there. I miss him.

 

[xo_lola_xo]

Ok, I totally understand that they both loved each other and I understand they both had problems and both made mistakes. However, it hurts like hell to watch that because I think it is so TASTELESS to bring up some of the most intimate moments from a life of a dead person's and internationally BROADCAST them. We are only hearing how Lisa felt and saw things and she's been doing that ever since the divorce. We only heard Michael speak about it briefly from tapes that were released after his death and clearly, his take on it was somewhat different.

I find it to be pathetic that she is still rambeling on about a marriage she had 16 years ago. Let it go, please. And I think it was very classless to talk about the drugs as if it was a consistant thing and someone should tell all these "MJ WAS AN ADDICT" people on TV that when you say DRUGS, the general public generally tends to think cocaine and such and not painkillers and sleeping pills. I think it's very inappropraite to bring that up after his death when he cannot defend himself and the mere fact that Oprah asked that question about the child allegations alone and Lisa's response to it makes me doubt that Lisa TRULY respects him. You don't go on TV and talk about someone's mistakes and problems and say them to someone who thinks they were what they weren't - that is not true respect. Keep some things to yourself! Also, we have this legal battle over his death and anything she says and anything any other person says about Michael on TV can influence people and if the case goes to trial, one of the influenced could end up on the jury. Not good.

Whilst I appericate that she understands the situation better, that she has admitted her own mistakes to and has said that she has let go off bitterness, this interview still seems very unfair to Michael as have all the interviews that she has gave about him.

Another thing, the part about the 2005 phone call was heart breaking. I have to say I am very upset with what she said she did. It was very merciless to Michael. I'm not saying she should have said "I LOVE YOU" and "LET'S GET TOGETHER" because that is wrong if she did not want to. However, she knew that was an awful time in Michael's life and the decent and merciful thing to do was to simply be friendly and show sympathy. I am very disappointed that she didn't.

I don't like that she portrays Michael to be some weak person when in fact he was incredibly strong and wise. He was not immature. Yes, he made mistakes but who doesn't? Cut him some slack!

I thought her own saying that Michael was her drug was very revealing. That's an unhealthy relationship. It suggests she was very clingy and the man, like all people, needs some space.

All in all, this interview has not changed my opinion about Lisa. I knew they loved each other but were both stubborn, I needn't to hear it, we can see it from what happened. I think she needs to just leave him alone now. He never went on TV just to talk about her. Why is she doing it? Doesn't anybody want to leave Michael some dignity? I don't have anything against Lisa, in fact, I feel sorry for her but I simply wish she would stop throwing his name about.

Lisa, leave the man alone and if you truly love and respect him, you'll realise that he is to precious to casually talk about.

 

[Ohood]

In 2005 The old actor who took Michael to the hospital during the trial , also said that Michael asked him many times do you love me?....he also said that Michael kept telling him :"I love you , I love you " the whole conversation and he felt that MJ was feeling better when he said back " I love you too Michael"... MJ during the trial needed the word I love you , because Love is all he wanted to have through out his life and career !

i think the word love to MJ has another meaning , for him it means friendship and believing...maybe she misunderstood him when he asked about love at this conversation !

 

[bowen9999]

I applaud you all for being so understanding. I can't. Personally, I think she's just given even more ammunition to help Murray's case. She basically told the world that Michael Jackson got whatever he wanted - it's was his way or the highway. Many, many references to drug use but barely any reasons given as to why he was taking them and who was prescribing them.

If Katherine's interview goes down the same route, I reckon you can kiss good bye to any hope of Murray serving time.

They should all have just kept their mouths shut.

 

[HIStory]

The only thing I didn't like in her interview was the sentence about "not being there with the boy and Michael in the room" when asked about the allegations. Although she said she didn't believe he was a child molester and that she never saw anything inappropriate, she shouldn't have given room to ANY doubt!

The other touchy subject for fans is the drug issue. I try to be cautious, but I personally don't think what she said about that was so bad as fans make it out to be. And I can't see how that would make Murray walk free. Whether MJ had a history with drugs or didn't it doesn't change the fact that as a doctor he shouldn't have adminstered propofol at home. That's the bottom line. He is a doctor, MJ wasn't. And BTW she was obviously referring to Klien as "a certain doctor". Yes, yes, Klein said he treated him for this and that, but what do you guys expect, that he would go on national TV and tell he gave MJ drugs he shouldn't have? Of course he would say on TV that everything he did to him was legitim treatment. I know it's a controversial subject for many fans, but do you guys really think Murray was the first one ever who gave him propofol? I don't. I'm sure there were other doctors before him, and Klein was a major player there (I personally think he is as guilty as Murray, although that sadly probably will never be proven. He is the one you should be worried about that he will walk free, because he probably will.)

And one more thing: what I said doesn't mean that MJ was a junkie! I see this is the label that fans fear the most and that's why they don't want to see some problems in this area. But acknowleding he might have problems doesn't equal to calling him a junkie or a druggie or anything. He didn't take drugs to be high. He wasn't on cocaine or heroine. He had physical and emotional pain, more than what most of us could endure and he had a big problem with insomnia. I think he fought and he was very strong. I probably couldn't have endured tenth of the stuff he went through. Insomnia is horrible!
So I can totally understand him and would never judge him over this. But that doesn't mean I turn a blind eye on some things those were worrying.


OK, now I said it, let the bashing begin.....

 

[jemini515]

The only thing I didn't like in her interview was the sentence about "not being there with the boy and Michael in the room" when asked about the allegations. Although she said she didn't believe he was a child molester and that she never saw anything inappropriate, she shouldn't have given room to ANY doubt!

I totally agree. She should have been more declarative.

 

[Topflux]

I totally agree. She should have been more declarative.

It would seem just stupid and blind first inform 'I wasn't there with them' and then afterwards say 'No, he definitely did not do anything'. Lisa doesn't really want to look stupid because she is not. If I was Lisa in the same situation I would say the same. Only the boy and Michael know what they did. And if there's proof against the boy then there is but it does not have anything to do with Lisa. I don't understand the point of many people who say Lisa's words are not defending. They mean she TRUSTED Michael on that. If someone i.e. murders someone you can't say no he didn't neither yes he did if you just have no any kind of a proof..