Lets Discuss BAD concerts footage and what may have been shot on film ?

[Robbsaber01]

Tell me, how is it possible that Queen can release a Cinema and bluray release of a show which was entirely shot on film? The running time was equal or longer than the BAD TOUR.

If one wants to film a concert, the crew is prepared for every little detail, including cue points (to change a canister) and communication with the tower.

So don't worry guys, the tour is most likely complete on film.

Haha, I'm not doubting that ! I'm just stating why only APOM and Man in the Mirror were filmed for PROMOTION. This is the reality lol.
As stated by some members here (GoFlying) for example stated SOME Bad tour shows were recorded on FILM entirely. But for the most part what you seen from the Bad25 Doc APOM was the only song besides Man in the mirror recorded on film. That was the only reason they were recorded on film. Queen is a different story. The Montreal '81 show was a planned and thought out release since it was the last show of the tour. Bad Tour on the other hand was probably not intended for release except for L.A. So I have high hopes we will one day see a filmed MJ show.

 

[Rudolf]

Haha, I'm not doubting that ! I'm just stating why only APOM and Man in the Mirror were filmed for PROMOTION. This is the reality lol.
As stated by some members here (GoFlying) for example stated SOME Bad tour shows were recorded on FILM entirely. But for the most part what you seen from the Bad25 Doc APOM was the only song besides Man in the mirror recorded on film. That was the only reason they were recorded on film. Queen is a different story. The Montreal '81 show was a planned and thought out release since it was the last show of the tour. Bad Tour on the other hand was probably not intended for release except for L.A. So I have high hopes we will one day see a filmed MJ show.

Montreal show wasn't actually in the tour. Their tour had ended already. But then they got the idea of concert film and they had to arrange all equipment etc specifically. Read more about it in detail here, interesting story actually how it came to be.
http://www.brianmay.com/brian/brianssb/brianssboct07b.html

They shot Budapest because it was the first major west rock event behind the Iron Curtain. So they took all the film cameras available in the country at that moment.

 

[Rudolf]

They probably do have enough film to put together a mixed concert from all over the tour. I would actually love that, if only done seamless. But that's a lot of work, so maybe we shouldn't expect miracles.

 

[charismatic]

It's interesting that when the Estate spoke about Bad 25, they never once mentioned FIlm, and made it seem like HD wasn't even a possibility at that time.

I'm not sure who or why they decided to released the Wembley show, but someone made a poor decision.

I just hope they are wise enough to release a Bad Tour on Blue Ray.

The Dangerous Tour was recorded on Beta Cam Sp.

 

[IMWhizzle]

They probably do have enough film to put together a mixed concert from all over the tour. I would actually love that, if only done seamless. But that's a lot of work, so maybe we shouldn't expect miracles.

If they can get it done with films like Star Wars and E.T., this will probably be a piece of cake. Especially if everything is digitized.

 

[dam2040]

It's a big ask and we'd have to be extremely lucky I believe but could you imagine Michael Jackson live in true 1080p? The King of it all in pristine quality like never seen before. Just hope it's graded correctly or that'll be the next thing!

 

[HappyLeeHL]

To be honest, I wouldn't care too much whether it's BluRay, as long as they don't treat us with a ruined (sorry, "enhanced") VHS tape again. The least I could accept is a proper DVD release from a VHS tape, not ruined by their "enhancements", of a great show like MSG 1988 or L.A. 1989 (if they really don't have higher quality). But a proper BluRay release of any concert (even if it's mixed up) is really what I'm dying to see!

I do believe at least one Bad Tour 2nd leg was shot entirely on film, but I'm not sure whether they are able to use, or able to find. Maybe they filmed Another Part Of Me a lot for some reasons like making a live music video, but I don't think they filmed Man In The Mirror especially for making Moonwalker, for if they had filmed, they would bring on more film cameras to do that. I can feel that they lack some camera shots when editing Man In The Mirror. The black shirt concerts are filmed with more than 2 film cameras, but the blue shirt shots are probably taken from more than 3 concerts. If you check every blue shirt shots carefully, you would find none of the "neighbour shots" (both shots are blue shirt and they are tightly connected) was taken from the same concert, while you would easily find lots of "neighbour shots" of black shirt from the same concert which proves more than 2 camera angles.

One of the blue shirt shots, the long spin at the end (actually it should belong to the middle part), is taken from Bad Tour Wembley 22nd (or whatever date the amateur video is). The movement of the long spin matches 100% (feel free to compare it with the amateur video yourself), and I don't think it could be that coincident to be from other concerts. But I compared other blue shirt shots and couldn't find another one that matches to Wembley 22nd, so I conclude that the blue shirt shots were dispersed, probably taken from more than 4 concerts. Please prove me wrong if you can.

Besides BluRay, a well edited and decent DVD would be great to me, even if it's not taken from only one concert. I love the Bad video from Wembley unknown date (except there were too many crowd shots). The camera angles are fine and the video quality seems pretty good. I wonder if they're able to make a whole concert like that, which would be pretty awesome!

 

[Zakk]

actually I'd love a definitive 'Michael Jackson's BAD World Tour 88-89' Deluxe Blu-Ray Package with the Filmed on the road documentary, Rehearsals etc. would be fantastic, but if it was done like that. each song should look seamless. great possibilities.

 

[dam2040]

Unfortunately for now I believe all focus on Bad is over, so it would be some time before this happened. (If it ever did!)

 

[Robbsaber01]

Well the good news is that everything (hopefully) is digitized so there is a small but awesome chance that a properly filmed Bad tour show exists still. Lets hope.

 

[dam2040]

Well the good news is that everything (hopefully) is digitized so there is a small but awesome chance that a properly filmed Bad tour show exists still. Lets hope.

Of course. I wonder if they'll ever use it all though, 123 shows + rehearsals? Wouldn't all get released but one show from a film reel, if it exists then that would be more than enough!

 

[analogue]

If for some reason a blu ray is not possible i think the next best thing would be an HQ DVD release of the L.A show from 1989. Yeah it's not blu ray but i would be very happy with a HQ DVD

 

[Zakk]

If for some reason a blu ray is not possible i think the next best thing would be an HQ DVD release of the L.A show from 1989. Yeah it's not blu ray but i would be very happy with a HQ DVD

blu ray i think would be possible, if it's a compilation show. aintree exists in full on film, as does i think one or two more. (confirmed by go flying) a pristine pieced together compilation Blu-Ray i think is the solution.

 

[Galactus123]

blu ray i think would be possible, if it's a compilation show. aintree exists in full on film, as does i think one or two more. (confirmed by go flying) a pristine pieced together compilation Blu-Ray i think is the solution.

But if Aintree exist full on film there is not need for compilation. They could just release that concert.

 

[Zakk]

But if Aintree exist full on film there is not need for compilation. They could just release that concert.

for the audio problem though, David said that Aintree Audio didnt satisfy michael. July 15th is the best unreleased audio they have in my opinion, so i hope they can mix film footage the best they can with the multitracks of the wembley show, and where the ad libs dont match, restore the audio's from minneapolis and aintree

 

[Robbsaber01]

for the audio problem though, David said that Aintree Audio didnt satisfy michael. July 15th is the best unreleased audio they have in my opinion, so i hope they can mix film footage the best they can with the multitracks of the wembley show, and where the ad libs dont match, restore the audio's from minneapolis and aintree

If the filmed concert Aintree exists most likely the audio does too. But if it doesn't they should simply release Bad Tour L.A on DVD. I don't need it to be multitrack lol. Or even release wembley july 15 since its hq multitrack

 

[Zakk]

If the filmed concert Aintree exists most likely the audio does too. But if it doesn't they should simply release Bad Tour L.A on DVD. I don't need it to be multitrack lol. Or even release wembley july 15 since its hq multitrack

Aintree DOES exist in full on film, it has been in Michael's archive ever since the tour ended in 1989. all of the original BAD Tour Materials as filmed by Patrick Kelley were Catalogued and Identified Last Year. Aintree would be the choice for me, it looks glorious in Moonwalker, any other show recorded on film, Release that show! (if Minneapolis is, Release that show, as we know from the Moonwalker Blu-Ray.. Audio Can be DTS HD, so that would be outstanding.) even if it's a definitive look at how the second leg matured, with the dancing, the vocals, Michael's Looks, a Blu-Ray IS possible! and I hope they make it happen so I can play it on my Upscale to 4K tv from sharp that I will be buying when they do release it.

 

[Robbsaber01]

Aintree DOES exist in full on film, it has been in Michael's archive ever since the tour ended in 1989. all of the original BAD Tour Materials as filmed by Patrick Kelley were Catalogued and Identified Last Year. Aintree would be the choice for me, it looks glorious in Moonwalker, any other show recorded on film, Release that show! (if Minneapolis is, Release that show, as we know from the Moonwalker Blu-Ray.. Audio Can be DTS HD, so that would be outstanding.) even if it's a definitive look at how the second leg matured, with the dancing, the vocals, Michael's Looks, a Blu-Ray IS possible! and I hope they make it happen so I can play it on my Upscale to 4K tv from sharp that I will be buying when they do release it.

That is the dream bro lol BTW 4K TV's cost thousands of dollars lmao. I'm glad my old sony tv isnt HD because it made wembley look great lol.
After watching the spike lee APOM montage in the cinema my jaw literally dropped with the epic quality AND Audio. I didn't even notice the syncing problem haha I was in shock !

 

[Zakk]

That is the dream bro lol BTW 4K TV's cost thousands of dollars lmao. I'm glad my old sony tv isnt HD because it made wembley look great lol.
After watching the spike lee APOM montage in the cinema my jaw literally dropped with the epic quality AND Audio. I didn't even notice the syncing problem haha I was in shock !

exactly dude, i'd do anything to see a blu ray of michael's greatest tour of all time, he was at his peak, he couldn't be matched, his magic was expressed at its best during each show, i truly hope they give us a full hd blu ray of a second leg show in the future!

 

[analogue]

How's about a double disk? Aintree on Blu Ray/HQ DVD and L.A on HQ DVD?

Or a triple disk would be even better

Disk 1 - Yokohama 1987 Blu Ray (If possible) and HQ DVD
Disk 2 - Aintree 1988 Blu Ray and HQ DVD
Disk 3 - L.A 1989 HQ DVD


I think it would be awesome to have a Bad Tour show from 87, 88 and 89

 

[DJ_OXyGeNe_8]

Always I wondered: why there is a big poster writes the cities names... I think they were filming all and if they make something wrong with making catalogue, they can find which concert is.

and this from yokohama

and I'm sure they're lying us about his original videos... Check this guys, I've all DVD's and none of them in this quality;

from "The One" DVD

The One - Dangerous The Short Films - Vision (Latest one)

If we cut bars and zoom to make 4:3 like others

Executive producer : Michael Jackson (The One) So it's possible to transfer these videos really in high quality, may be bluray.. But why they don't...

For "Vision set", they said we search better sources... Big lie... "The One" released more years ago and has better quality.


How many times you think you'll sell these videos as DVD... We deserve better, because we're Michael Jackson's fans... We have eyes, we can see.

Also noticed; Number Ones DVD - they didn't make mastering for audio files... What a big mistake.

 

[Zakk]

How's about a double disk? Aintree on Blu Ray/HQ DVD and L.A on HQ DVD?

Or a triple disk would be even better

Disk 1 - Yokohama 1987 Blu Ray (If possible) and HQ DVD
Disk 2 - Aintree 1988 Blu Ray and HQ DVD
Disk 3 - L.A 1989 HQ DVD


I think it would be awesome to have a Bad Tour show from 87, 88 and 89

tokyo red shirt looks like it could be on film, up to rock with you was shown in the 1987 bad company footage but i agree with you, that would be perfect, their were 6 shows in 1989, performed at memorial sports arena, its possible at least one of them is on film, the least we could do is something like:

Disc 1: any show out of the 20 shows performed in 1987 that's on 16 or 35mm film on Blu-Ray. Or the highest quality show available either on beta tape or umatic. Rehearsal footage: Tokyo Japan Korakuen stadium september 11th 1987, moments with michael, interviews and more.

Disc 2: either Aintree 1988 with restored audio from the mono tracks of the films (like the magical mystery tour blu ray from the beatles) or any other show recorded on 16-35mm film. Blu-Ray Disc with bonus features: rehearsals from florida, spain and rome, on the road documentary, interviews, behind the scenes.

Disc 3: any of the 6 dates performed in Los Angeles California, January 16th-January 27th 1989 that exists on 16-35mm film to be released on Blu-Ray, or if their isnt one full show maybe a compilation blu ray from the 6 dates, or the beta tape, restored to the highest quality possible on DVD. Resolution: 576p.

depends if anything other than aintree is on film though, minneapolis could be as their is previews of thriller, billie jean, smooth criminal and beat it from 16mm film featured in the bad tour around the world documentary, so its possibly in full on either 16mm, 35mm or shot on a mixture of both. here's hoping, but their are many possibilities.

 

[Zakk]

Always I wondered: why there is a big poster writes the cities names... I think they were filming all and if they make something wrong with making catalogue, they can find which concert is.

and this from yokohama

and I'm sure they're lying us about his original videos... Check this guys, I've all DVD's and none of them in this quality;

from "The One" DVD

The One - Dangerous The Short Films - Vision (Latest one)

If we cut bars and zoom to make 4:3 like others

Executive producer : Michael Jackson (The One) So it's possible to transfer these videos really in high quality, may be bluray.. But why they don't...

For "Vision set", they said we search better sources... Big lie... "The One" released more years ago and has better quality.


How many times you think you'll sell these videos as DVD... We deserve better, because we're Michael Jackson's fans... We have eyes, we can see.

Also noticed; Number Ones DVD - they didn't make mastering for audio files... What a big mistake.

every unseen video came from michael's personal archive, thats why he was named as the executive producer, its his footage. their are many shows and short films that could be on film. i hope they are and theyll see the light of day in the future.

 

[AtlasAir]

Aintree DOES exist in full on film, it has been in Michael's archive ever since the tour ended in 1989.

You don't know this to be fact.
Just because there are numerous angles from MITM doesn't mean there's a full show.

 

[Zakk]

You don't know this to be fact.
Just because there are numerous angles from MITM doesn't mean there's a full show.

go to page 15, post 220. david powell revealed this himself. and ''the patrick kelley footage is in michael's archive, catalogued and identified as of last year.''

 

[AtlasAir]

 

[Zakk]

whats this an abbreviation of?

 

[AtlasAir]

Always I wondered: why there is a big poster writes the cities names... I think they were filming all and if they make something wrong with making catalogue, they can find which concert is.

Well, probably more-so for the u-matics of each show (as well as film).
Also, for the performer. Nothing worse than forgetting what city you are in. Shouting "Hello London!" when you're in Ireland isn't a good look.

 

[Ashtanga]

 

[Robbsaber01]

Yeah I agree with DJ in terms of the lacking visuals from Vision DVD. As for "Yokohama Bluray" That is VERY unlikely here's why :
The estate already released BAD & IJCSLU from the Master tape. Also, Yokohama was recorded by a TV News crew, this also explains why yokohama is MUCH better quality (Beta Tape) than other shows.

As for Bad tour L.A, the last show was not filmed but if you look at THE ONE documentary you see how HQ the master is so I would not be disappointed if it was not "HD 4K Bluray" because standard def is fine as long as its NOT a VHS lol. The estate mentioned audio not being HQ but if it is mono it can be restored? I am not an audio expert but didn't someone mention a beatles concert being remastered from mono? Either way, I'm on board for a BAD TOUR 1989 SHOW ! If they have FULL BRISBANE 1987 with Stevie wonder THAT is the first leg show to RELEASE !