La Toya releases new book and single / Summary @ Pg 30 / Pictures @ Pg 33

[moodyblue97]

Let it be fake.it then goes back to the 97 one which shock horror is the same as the fake one.the fakers didnt do a good job of changing the will then lol. And the family still get nothing.

From what I've heard they think there is a will from 2007, what I don't get is why they don't speak more about it. Because I believe if that will exist, it still don't give money to his family and still they don't get control, it's given to someone else. I think they should be happy it is like it is. The money goes where they should, to his kids.

 

[twinklEE]

@bluetopez

It wasn't the ownership of the catalog or the masters. It's only about the mechanical copyrights.

Let me explain. As Michael got out of his deal with Sony early, his contract conditions wasn't satisfied. So Sony got mechanical copyrights - which means that they could repackage and release his back catalog (already released songs). We have heard that his mechanical copyright was to revert back to Michael - but we also heard multiple different years such as 2009 , 2011 , 2012 and 2015. With current deal with Sony this rights are extended to 2017.

Let's be clear about 2 things
- even if Sony had the mechanical copyright and released best of albums, Michael got his royalties and (intellectual) copyrights from any album sold. We don't know the details, assuming the worst even if the control of what's being released wasn't at Michael, he was still getting paid.
- if mechanical rights reverted to Michael it would mean that technically he would have complete control of what to release and when from his back catalog and would not need to share the profits with Sony. Realistically even if he wanted to re-release his back catalog, he would probably had to come to an agreement with another record company and still share some profits with them.

and as you also said such rights isn't lost with death. they just passed on MJ Estate now.

Sometimes I think people purposely choose to ignore all the points you mentioned, and go with the conspiracy angle because it's easier.

 

[maral]

I don't really like the things La Toya and the rest of the fam do at times but, that doesn't mean that I will ignore what happen to MJ in his life/career and what he said was goin on himself a few yrs ago about a conspiracy do to certain folks he knew of in the business and others!

So I do believe there was a conspiracy on MJ cause he sure as hell wouldn't have been accused of those allegations the way he was by those shady ass people lookin for money and fame. And there were certainly people after his catalog cause he said so himself. He said so during the trial, yes...but, that doesn't mean he let that go.

It could have been something he definitely still thought about, especially because he tried to investigate certain people. But, perhaps because he didn't find the certain evidence he was looking for, he then hired those very same people for whatever reason? Which is obviously confusing some fans which don't let them think those people are bad guys cause it look like MJ forgave them or something?

But, for me everyone is suspicious, I don't trust non of their asses. But, someone like Branca is good at what he does so it could have been a business decision only to hire him back. But, I don't think MJ trusted him as a friend anymore after he accused him of stealing money and had him investigated. I mean how do u repair a personal relationship after something like that? So, Like I said business is business and maybe that's what MJ let it be at the end, only?

See, I never like the fact that Branca was representing MJ and Sony at the same time without MJ's knowledge. And obviously MJ didn't either. I also don't like the fact that the very year MJ was suppose to get everything back to him 100% (his catalog) he ends up dead. How fuckin convenient, no? That really pisses me off! It's like MJ never had a chance and Sony sure ass hell did everything in there power to to make it happen since MJ thought he would have gotten it sooner but, something in his contract with Sony made him have to wait even ,longer! blah! See no matter how much MJ family annoys me and are probably just as shady, I won't and will not ignore these things that were done to MJ by others! But, at the same time in no way do I think Murray is a fall guy and can't say that Branca would want to kill MJ like la toya is saying. Especially, when u have a guy like Thome Thome being totally ignored and who had threaten MJ and the whole Jackson family walking around like he did nothing!

All I do know is no one is innocent here.
They all so damn shady, poor mike.

This is the best post I'v seen by someone who is skeptical about the estate.
I didn't know MJ was about to get back 100% control of the catalog…

 

[Annita]

And actually let me post a screenshot from the estate status report

Michael owned
- 50% of Sony/ ATV
- 100% Mijac
- writer copyrights
- his master recordings which had a distribution agreement with Sony
- his name and likeliness
- Neverland ranch and trademarks

this distribution agreement the mechanical copyrights I mentioned. As you can see Michael owned his masters and his own Mijac catalog.

Thanks. It`s a clear statement from the legal papers which is proven from court.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

From what I've heard they think there is a will from 2007, what I don't get is why they don't speak more about it. Because I believe if that will exist, it still don't give money to his family and still they don't get control, it's given to someone else. I think they should be happy it is like it is. The money goes where they should, to his kids.

there is one.that was the previous one before mj made a new one in 2002 to add in blanket.both are the same he just changed it when blanket was born.so just that point makes the will is fake argument illogical.unless of course they think the 07 one is fake aswell!

 

[twinklEE]

there is one.that was the previous one before mj made a new one in 2002 to add in blanket.both are the same he just changed it when blanket was born.so just that point makes the will is fake argument illogical.unless of course they think the 07 one is fake aswell!

Don't you mean the 1997 will?, what the op was talking about is a supposed new will being signed in 2007, which is not the case, I believe the 2007 bs was brought up by the Jackson's saying he signed a will in 2007 but it's kept hidden. The newest is that of 2002, to include Blanket like you said. Even Raymone Bain stated when Michael passed that when she asked him about wills he didn't like her to bring it up as he'd already taken care of it. Michael knew his business.

 

[Annita]

So when the will from 2002 is fake. Whey didn´t they go to court? And when there is a will from 2007. Why don´t the family know where this will is?
Why didn´t Michael talk to his mother where the will is or to his lovely sister Latoya?

It´s all nonsense and a way to make the Jacksons himself important and it makes the Jackson`s so obiously for the public to liers and greedy people.

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

to present her ideas in a consistent, factually based, coherent, and clear-cut manner. [/B]For example, how did his death lead to the theft of his catalog (never happened). The only thing she does is make Michael sound silly, paranoid, and crazy, traits haters and media attribute to him. She downplays the role of the main person accused of his death. What loving sister does this after seeing the evidence? What she does not understand is that if Murray is found not guilty, the prosecution will not look for another killer. People and the media will simply say that Michael killed himself. Is that what she wants.
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I agree.

 

[moodyblue97]

there is one.that was the previous one before mj made a new one in 2002 to add in blanket.both are the same he just changed it when blanket was born.so just that point makes the will is fake argument illogical.unless of course they think the 07 one is fake aswell!

Don't you mean the 1997 will?, what the op was talking about is a supposed new will being signed in 2007, which is not the case, I believe the 2007 bs was brought up by the Jackson's saying he signed a will in 2007 but it's kept hidden. The newest is that of 2002, to include Blanket like you said. Even Raymone Bain stated when Michael passed that when she asked him about wills he didn't like her to bring it up as he'd already taken care of it. Michael knew his business.

Yes, I know about the one before 2002 and that he added Blanket to it. The family seem to say everything they can to point out that the one from 2002 is fake, but as TwinkIEE said, why didn´t they take it to court then. And this 2007 one comes from people that believe Peter Lopez had it and was killed for it. I´m surprised LaToya haven´t brought that up, since a lot of people have that opinion, several of the followers too it seem.

If there is one from 2007 and they have seen it they probably think it´s fake too, I can´t help but thinking that the 2007 one would turn out even worse for the Jackson´s, meaning maybe his mother wouldn´t get as much as she did and some other things. If there is one will say, which I doubt.

 

[maral]

Yes, I know about the one before 2002 and that he added Blanket to it. The family seem to say everything they can to point out that the one from 2002 is fake, but as TwinkIEE said, why didn´t they take it to court then. And this 2007 one comes from people that believe Peter Lopez had it and was killed for it. I´m surprised LaToya haven´t brought that up, since a lot of people have that opinion, several of the followers too it seem.

If there is one from 2007 and they have seen it they probably think it´s fake too, I can´t help but thinking that the 2007 one would turn out even worse for the Jackson´s, meaning maybe his mother wouldn´t get as much as she did and some other things. If there is one will say, which I doubt.

if there was a will i'd think a copy would have had surfaced around by now. in this day and age nothing can be kept a secret

 

[Bridgett_361]

"BEHAR: How did you leave? What made you leave him?

JACKSON: He was forcing me to do a pornography movie. He says that he`s getting paid millions and millions of money. And you`re doing it. He says after you do it, I`m done with you. I said you know what; you`re just going to have to kill me right now. But before I said I begged for my passport because I knew I didn`t have a way out. I said, please, can you give me my passport -- "

So when jack try to force Latoya to do porn, she say you have to kill me. But when he force her to lie about her mother and brother, father she was so afraid he would kill MJ and her self so she comply.
I don't get her argument, it's not believable.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Don't you mean the 1997 will?, what the op was talking about is a supposed new will being signed in 2007, which is not the case, I believe the 2007 bs was brought up by the Jackson's saying he signed a will in 2007 but it's kept hidden. The newest is that of 2002, to include Blanket like you said. Even Raymone Bain stated when Michael passed that when she asked him about wills he didn't like her to bring it up as he'd already taken care of it. Michael knew his business.

yeah sorry.my mistake im talking about the 97 one.thats what u get for going to bed at 4.30am!

At the end of the day if the jacksons had been named in the will they wouldnt be calling it fake.thats all it comes down to.$$$$. They had every op to go to court and say its fake and this is why but they didnt.so at the end of the day they can blame themselves.they are full of hot air and need to get out of their dream world that they are the waltons and the reason mj stayed away and left them nothing was some big conspiracy.i guess its easier to believe that and push it to the media than except what is staring u in the face.

 

[Rhilo]

It's the norm for a parent to leave much of their wealth, if not all of it to his or her children.

Katherine is lucky to get a monthly stipend. As for the rest of them, well, they are delusional to imagine Michael would have included all of them in his will. If he did that, seeing as how large his family is, there wouldn't have been much left for his children.

Their sense of entitlement is seriously unwarranted. They need to start dealing with reality.

 

[Petrarose]

"BEHAR: How did you leave? What made you leave him?

JACKSON: He was forcing me to do a pornography movie. He says that he`s getting paid millions and millions of money. And you`re doing it. He says after you do it, I`m done with you. I said you know what; you`re just going to have to kill me right now. But before I said I begged for my passport because I knew I didn`t have a way out. I said, please, can you give me my passport -- "

So when jack try to force Latoya to do porn, she say you have to kill me. But when he force her to lie about her mother and brother, father she was so afraid he would kill MJ and her self so she comply.
I don't get her argument, it's not believable.

^^Of course it makes no sense. Lets see, I live in the US; someone has my passport and will not give it to me, I simply make up a story about loosing my passport, fill out some forms and get another one. I remember when she did the playboy, she was all over showing off her body in sexy clothes and looked very pleased about the playboy photos. Everyone was buying the magazine to see her and she was relishing in it. Now she acts all innocent about being forced. I believe her husband did beat her up and abused her, but some of the stories and her justifications I feel are made up. Even when she gave that statement about believing Michael molested the children, she did not appear as though she was in danger because someone forced her to say it.

 

[Rhilo]

Latoya is a big fat liar. Period.

 

[Petrarose]

^^Ha Ha the nose says it all!!!! She has told so many lies it is difficult to say where reality begins.

 

[Resa]

Yes, I know about the one before 2002 and that he added Blanket to it. The family seem to say everything they can to point out that the one from 2002 is fake, but as TwinkIEE said, why didn´t they take it to court then. And this 2007 one comes from people that believe Peter Lopez had it and was killed for it. I´m surprised LaToya haven´t brought that up, since a lot of people have that opinion, several of the followers too it seem.

If there is one from 2007 and they have seen it they probably think it´s fake too, I can´t help but thinking that the 2007 one would turn out even worse for the Jackson´s, meaning maybe his mother wouldn´t get as much as she did and some other things. If there is one will say, which I doubt.

I read about the supposed 2007 will on a blog. I would be suspicious of that one if it existed. I will never believe that Michael would have knowingly signed a document that separated his children. According to the blog the supposed 2007 will had Blanket with a different guardian than Prince and Paris.

 

[julianaka]

I just started to read this book. It is interesting so far...

 

[maral]

"BEHAR: How did you leave? What made you leave him?

JACKSON: He was forcing me to do a pornography movie. He says that he`s getting paid millions and millions of money. And you`re doing it. He says after you do it, I`m done with you. I said you know what; you`re just going to have to kill me right now. But before I said I begged for my passport because I knew I didn`t have a way out. I said, please, can you give me my passport -- "

So when jack try to force Latoya to do porn, she say you have to kill me. But when he force her to lie about her mother and brother, father she was so afraid he would kill MJ and her self so she comply.
I don't get her argument, it's not believable.

her argument doesn't stick BUT i got to say doing porn movies is worse the laying. not saying what she did to her brother was justified though

 

[Rhilo]

^ But if she found it so unbearable, she would have wanted out the first time he forced her to disrobe (for playboy)

 

[Resa]

her argument doesn't stick BUT i got to say doing porn movies is worse the laying. not saying what she did to her brother was justified though

Maybe it's worse than lying in general but lying about your own brother being a child molester which could have landed him in prison. Having to lie and accuse my sibling of a heinous crime would have been the last straw for me, it would have never gotten to the porn.

 

[twinklEE]

Maybe it's worse than lying in general but lying about your own brother being a child molester which could have landed him in prison. Having to lie and accuse my sibling of a heinous crime would have been the last straw for me, it would have never gotten to the porn.

exactly

 

[ExoticPrincess]

"BEHAR: How did you leave? What made you leave him?

JACKSON: He was forcing me to do a pornography movie. He says that he`s getting paid millions and millions of money. And you`re doing it. He says after you do it, I`m done with you. I said you know what; you`re just going to have to kill me right now. But before I said I begged for my passport because I knew I didn`t have a way out. I said, please, can you give me my passport -- "

So when jack try to force Latoya to do porn, she say you have to kill me. But when he force her to lie about her mother and brother, father she was so afraid he would kill MJ and her self so she comply.
I don't get her argument, it's not believable.

And thats why LaToya cannot be believed. She sold her brother out all on her own for the sake of publicity, period!

 

[maral]

Maybe it's worse than lying in general but lying about your own brother being a child molester which could have landed him in prison. Having to lie and accuse my sibling of a heinous crime would have been the last straw for me, it would have never gotten to the porn.

have to say you make a valid point.

 

[Petrarose]

Maybe it's worse than lying in general but lying about your own brother being a child molester which could have landed him in prison. Having to lie and accuse my sibling of a heinous crime would have been the last straw for me, it would have never gotten to the porn.

Yep. Strange some people cannot see this.

 

[twinklEE]

Yep. Strange some people cannot see this.

they refuse to see it

 

[moodyblue97]

I read about the supposed 2007 will on a blog. I would be suspicious of that one if it existed. I will never believe that Michael would have knowingly signed a document that separated his children. According to the blog the supposed 2007 will had Blanket with a different guardian than Prince and Paris.

He would never separate them, if that will exist with another guardian for Blanket there is also words about how they should stay together. I doubt it though. And it's not easy to keep anything secret, still I wonder why she's not blabbing about Lopez.

 

[maral]

I read about the supposed 2007 will on a blog. I would be suspicious of that one if it existed. I will never believe that Michael would have knowingly signed a document that separated his children. According to the blog the supposed 2007 will had Blanket with a different guardian than Prince and Paris.

why exactly would he separate his children? makes no sense. he wrote a will 97 and 2002 (or was it 01?) and those are practically the same. now let say he did write a new one 07. logically he would just change the name of branca and co. jmo

 

[teli-mj]

I found this comment an a facebook page. I believe that this person has figure out LaToya Jackson perfectly.

My concern about what comes out of La Toya's mouth is that she has always been prone to creating sensationalism because of the attention it brings her. Since 25 June 2009, her profile as a "celebrity" has soared, she's been on TV shows doing interviews, on Celeb Apprentice. Now she's peddling a book and perfume and some other products she is selling.

The only real interest a lot of people have in her is her connection to Michael. She knows it, that's why she uses his name at every opportunity, and that's why she pushed herself ahead of family members to sign his death certificate. Sorry but I have done considerable research on La Toya, and my conclusion is that she has serious mental health problems and an addiction to attention that is so alarmingly extreme that it transcends any kind of conscience that the average person might have. In my wildest dreams, I could not have accused a perfect stranger of the crime she accused Michael of and I have viewed enough video tapes to know that she was not forced to "read" a statement that someone else wrote.

The two people she talks the most about are Michael and Jack Gordon, and both are no longer here to refute anything outrageous that comes out of her mouth. It's extremely convenient to lay all the blame on Jack Gordon because of his criminal background. La Toya was an adult in her thirties when she CHOSE to take off with Jack Gordon. She said he took her passport and she was trapped. Since when do you need a passport in the USA to run out of the door when he is in the shower, to take a taxi to the airport and call your family?

I cannot and will not take her word for anything. She is a compulsive liar who has never, not once, ever admitted to any wrong-doing on her part. In the 90s, she blamed her family, especially her father and said she could not have a sexual relationship with her own husband because she was molested as a child by her father. That's a contradiction since she has always claimed her marriage was a business matter, nothing to do with love or romance. NOW she blames Jack Gordon for everything and paints a glowing picture of her father.


I bought her first book but I refuse to buy the second one. However, I have read numerous reviews, including one extensive one.

La Toya's situation was entirely different to Michael's. Michael was very vulnerable by the time Tohme came along, IMO Michael was totally devastated from the 2005 trial and never recovered from it. It was a completely different situation... Michael by then had fired everyone around him because he trusted no one and I can't blame him for that. He made a mistake hiring Tohme and as soon as he realized what Tohme was doing, he took steps to remove him. That is not the same as LT's situation.

La Toya was not in a relationship with Jack Gordon, and she always claimed that except for that time she said she couldn't have sex with him because of her father molesting her. This is a serious accusation not just of child abuse but incest. She has forgiven her father for this crime or is she now saying it never happened?

If La Toya had been in love with Jack Gordon, I would give her a break because I know full well how women in domestic abuse relationships are so enmeshed in the relationship that they can't leave their abuser. This is not the case with La Toya, she was not emotionally connected to Jack Gordon.

La Toya blamed Jack Gordon for forcing her to pose for Playboy. This isn't true, she was fascinated with Playboy and talked about it with Margaret Maldonado long before she left Hayvenhurst. She also left Hayvenhurst to go off with Jack Gordon... yet she claims that he held her prisoner by taking her passport. As I said, you don't need a passport to get a taxi cab to the airport while he is in the shower.

In her first book, she was furious with Joseph because he was managing her when she was in a girl group, but he gave the lead vocals to the girl he was sleeping with, according to LT. Could it be because the other girl had a better voice? She said in that book that she told Katherine ....and Katherine was going to talk to Joe and never did. La Toya left Hayvenhurst because she knew she had no chance of becoming a star with her father as her manager. She wanted to be be as big as Michael.

She claims that in 1993 she was planning to support Michael in Tel Aviv over the Chandler accusations, BUT that Jack Gordon had written that spiel about "crimes against small children".

http://www.youtube.com/wat?ch?v=4JvHT4WVNQ8
Watch this .... can you really believe that she arrived at this press conference in Tel Aviv to support Michael's innocence, but at the last minute she was forced to READ what Jack Gordon had written? There is no way she was forced to read what she said. It sounds like she knew exactly what she wanted to say, and she said it with all the conviction of someone who believed what they were saying.

 

[MsCassieMollie]

From TMZ:

Katherine Jackson: No Evidence Estate Killed MJ

Katherine Jackson tells TMZ she knows of NO evidence to support the conspiracy theory that people connected with the Michaelackson Estate killed the singer. A number of people, including LaToya Jackson , have suggested there was a conspiracy to kill Michael, and LaToya has said she believes Estate honchos were involved. Katherine tells TMZ ... "It is only natural for people who loved Michael, including family members, to be suspicious about the circumstances surrounding Michael’s untimely death. So far I have not seen one shred of evidence that anyone associated with Michael’s estate conspired to kill him. She continues, "If such evidence ever comes to my attention I will be the first to bring those facts to light. No one loved Michael more than I loved him, but no one should be falsely accused, as Michael was, of a crime they did not commit."