Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25 Interview Post 208

[Big Apple2]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Well, one of them (Jermaine) is telling us on his twitter to support her :doh: ..not sure about the rest..

Jermaine is "supporting" his Momma, because he doesn't want her to kick his ex-wife and his children out of the Encino home.

"See Mother, I'm on your side, now PLEASE let them stay." LOL!

 

[Tipareth]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

I am sure they will be very important persons one day.

Maybe not. The thought that you are vip and gonna be very important some day is not so healthy.... not for Mike children, not for us...

Their only 'duty' for them is to go to school, learn, lead healthy life and enjoy their childhoods and teen hoods. Not think that they are vips, they need to get entertainment opportunities or even continue the legacy of their father.

Their young shoulders are not strong enough to carry that important legacy. Not now. All the preaching, ideals and expectations put on those children... So freaky :doh:. I wish adults would not put pressure on them, family or not family... Let those kids unbound of all these heavy to carry ideals.

 

[marc_vivien]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

you can a file a complaint file here :

http://oag.ca.gov/charities

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

you can a file a complaint file here :

Thank you.

Can somebody post a PRINTABLE copy of the Declaration which was signed by both Joseph and Katherine Jackson. Thank you in advance.

 

[marc_vivien]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

http://www.teammichaeljackson.com/tmj_027.htm

 

[marc_vivien]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

here you have at the bottom of the page letters from AG

http://rct.doj.ca.gov/MyLicenseVerification/Details.aspx?agency_id=1&license_id=1079960&

 

[Alma]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

All the preaching, ideals and expectations put on those children... So freaky :doh:.

They sure are....

I wish adults would not put pressure on them, family or not family... Let those kids unbound of all these heavy to carry ideals.

Totally... May these wonderful children be in God's hands always.

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Jermaine is "supporting" his Momma, because he doesn't want her to kick his ex-wife and his children out of the Encino home.

"See Mother, I'm on your side, now PLEASE let them stay." LOL!

exactly...Jermaine knows better than to bite the hand that feeds hm..he is NOT stupid....he is sneaky.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

yeah. where do u think the moneys going that katherine is making out of this? to pay for jerms kids and all the others that stay in hayvernhurst. hes hardly gonna tell her to stop. that means he will god forbid have to pay himself instead of swanning around the world

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

yeah. where do u think the moneys going that katherine is making out of this? to pay for jerms kids and all the others that stay in hayvernhurst. hes hardly gonna tell her to stop. that means he will god forbid have to pay himself instead of swanning around the world

So true! I find it odd that he is traveling so much. What exactly is he doing?

 

[MJFan07]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Really..well then how come she isn't parading any of Jermain's children up there?? How come she doesn't show how proud she is of them??? Are they NOT all her grandchildren?

Because no one in the media is interested in Jermaine's children. They are not the children of the greatest musician ever. Doesn't mean Grandma loves them any more or less. It's just a different situation.

Did it ever occur to you that showing the children every now and then in a positive light actually benefits Michael's legacy. The children are his legacy. Whether you like or not they are the ones that will carry on his image into the future. Jermaine has no legacy and he is still alive so there is no need for his children to carry his forward.

 

[MJFan07]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Every body wants to take credit for the good parenting Michael did.

They are not trying to take credit for it. You are revealing how incredibly biased you are by making mountains out of mole hills.

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Because no one in the media is interested in Jermaine's children. They are not the children of the greatest musician ever. Doesn't mean Grandma loves them any more or less. It's just a different situation.

Did it ever occur to you that showing the children every now and then in a positive light actually benefits Michael's legacy. The children are his legacy. Whether you like or not they are the ones that will carry on his image into the future. Jermaine has no legacy and he is still alive so there is no need for his children to carry his forward.

They already "showed" that when they made their appearance on the Oprah Winfrey show. In my opinion, that was MORE then enough. If Katherine Jackson didn't need to fulfill her contract obligation to Howard Mann, we most likely wouldn't have seen the children on television - AGAIN, so soon.

I don't think the plan to sell Michael Jackson related items on Howard Mann's site is going to make the money they initially thought it would make. (Mr. Mann did claim, in the beginning, that Katherine's book would sell ONE MILLION COPIES. As if!) So I'm guessing that PLAN B will be to have the children make as many television appearances as possible.

On a lighter note: Jermaine Jackson would have a fit if he heard you say that "he has no legacy" and that "the media is not interested in his children." LOL!

 

[AngieJ]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

I have to say it makes me sad seeing how acceptive we are when it comes to MJ's family not making the right moves for him and his kids. If this were any other fanbase, fans would universally be upset and outspoken about what's going on. But with us, some actually makes excuses and justify all the messed up things that are happening.

Something's wrong when non fans question things, but an actual MJ fan won't.

 

[sophie]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

here's some info on Melissa Johnson:

from oag.ca.gov, search in their charity database for: HEAL THE WORLD FOUNDATION

http://oag.ca.gov/charities/charity-research-tool

HEAL THE WORLD FOUNDATION
Palm Desert, CA 92260

Available 990s:

Year IRS Process Date Form Type Assets
2009 04/14/2010 990EZ Initial Return $3,510
2008 08/11/2009 990 Initial Return $29
2008 11/24/2009 990 Initial Return $657

IRS Business Master File Information

Although this organization has filed a Form 990, it is not listed in the Business Master File, compiled by the IRS, so no additional information is available. Some new organizations may not be included, but if it seems that the organization should be listed in the BMF, please contact IRS Customer Account Services at 1-877-829-5500 with questions.

extracts from the IRS form 990 for 2009:

http://207.153.189.83/EINS/262160396/262160396_2009_05C8C3C5.PDF

2009
HEAL THE WORLD FOUNDATION

44489 Town CenterWay D-425
Palm Desert CA 92260
Telephone number: 866 657 4893

Website: www.healtheworldfoundation.org

Melissa Johnson President

Preparer:
Domenici Tax & Business Services
218 N. Lincoln Suite 107
92882 Corona, Ca

Tax-exempt status: 501(c)(3)

Public charity status and public support:
An organization that normally receives (1) more than 33% of its support from contributions, membership fees, and gross receipts from activities related to its exempt functions ... and (2) no more than 33% of its support from gross investment income and unrelated business taxable income ...

Primary exempt purpose:
Heal the World Foundation (HTWF) is a universal charity organization designed to improve the conditions of all mankind. We fight against the privation, abuse and exploitation of the world's most vulnerable.

Employees:
Melissa Johnson - President
Melvin Wilson - Vice President
Blake Ferguson - Secretary

Revenue, expenses, and changes in net asset or fund balances:

Contributions, gifts, grants, and similar amounts received: 10,648
Membership dues and assessments: 17,959
Investment income: 1
Other revenue: 4,850
Total revenue: 33,458

Professional fees and other payments to independent contractors: 16,590
Occupancy, rent, utilites, and maintenance: 1,334
Printing, publications, postage, and shipping: 303
Other expenses: 87,563
Total expenses: 105,790

Total liabilities: 78,231
Net assets or fund balances: -74,721

Other revenue:
domains sold: 653
name use royalties: 745
paypal bonus: 1
product commission: 2,922
product income: 528
Total: 4,850

Other expenses:
donations: 5,520
cog: 111
advertising: 21,674
attorney general: 25
bank charges: 159
license and permits: 215
paypal fees: 941
research: 894
trademark fees: 54,458
books and subscriptions: 180
merchant fees: 822
office expense: 2,069
travel: 494
penalty: 1
Total: 87,563

Supported organizations:
Feed the Children: 2,000
Network for Good: 1,102
A Childs Hope Foundation: 500
City Meals On Wheels: 668
Scars to Freedom: 1,000
The Carter Center: 250
Total: 5,520

the htw foundation has the same address as a company called angels embrace which lists melissa johnson as its owner:

http://www.la.bbb.org/Business-Report/Angels-Embrace-Home-Health-Care-LLC-13197938

Angels Embrace Home Health Care, LLC

Address:
44489 Town Center Way, Suite D 425
Palm Desert, CA 92260

Tel: (760) 329-5558
Fax: (760) 251-4062

Web Site: http://www.angelsembrace.com

Contact: Melissa Johnson - Owner

Business Start Date: 7/10/2003
Company ID: 13197938

Nature of Business:
This company's business is providing home health care for the elderly and ailing.

trademark listing for angels embrance:
http://www.trademarkia.com/angels-embrace-home-health-care-77662830.html

here is a list with trademarks johnson has filed:

http://www.trademarkia.com/correspondent-melissa-johnson-1-10246
http://www.trademarkia.com/company-johnson-melissa-3163182-page-1-2

^makes an interesting read...

 

[StaceyMJ]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

I have to say it makes me sad seeing how acceptive we are when it comes to MJ's family not making the right moves for him and his kids. If this were any other fanbase, fans would universally be upset and outspoken about what's going on. But with us, some actually makes excuses and justify all the messed up things that are happening.

Something's wrong when non fans question things, but an actual MJ fan won't.

I agree with you.

 

[max000]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

No offense, but Katherine Jackson doesn't look like herself in that picture. She looks a bit worn out, in my opinion.

Where are her ADULT children?

Michael provided for his mother handsomely, because "I'm guessing" that he didn't want her out there OVER EXTENDING herself with all of these LITTLE money grabs.

I honestly think that all of her recent actions are beginning to take a toll on her 80-year old body.

Again, I ask, where are her adult children?

Make an arguement and quit the petty below the belt attacks. Yeah, an 80 yr body that endured Polio, and the persecution of her son. So daggers won't make a dent.

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

I have to say it makes me sad seeing how acceptive we are when it comes to MJ's family not making the right moves for him and his kids. If this were any other fanbase, fans would universally be upset and outspoken about what's going on. But with us, some actually makes excuses and justify all the messed up things that are happening.

Something's wrong when non fans question things, but an actual MJ fan won't.

I totally agree

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

I have to say it makes me sad seeing how acceptive we are when it comes to MJ's family not making the right moves for him and his kids. If this were any other fanbase, fans would universally be upset and outspoken about what's going on. But with us, some actually makes excuses and justify all the messed up things that are happening.

Something's wrong when non fans question things, but an actual MJ fan won't.

thats because these fans are fans of the jackson family not mj. and will try to justify anything they do no matter how wrong. no one can justify that contract any attempt to do so just confirms what i have said about who they really support..there are certain posters on several boards who are family fans and not mj ones. they will post and live on an mj board yet attack him and defend anything the family does no matter what.

 

[magiktori]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

here's some info on Melissa Johnson:

from oag.ca.gov, search in their charity database for: HEAL THE WORLD FOUNDATION



extracts from the IRS form 990 for 2009:



the htw foundation has the same address as a company called angels embrace which lists melissa johnson as its owner:



here is a list with trademarks johnson has filed:

http://www.trademarkia.com/correspondent-melissa-johnson-1-10246
http://www.trademarkia.com/company-johnson-melissa-3163182-page-1-2

^makes an interesting read...

this makes me angry and kinda sad i'm glad the estate is trying to put a stop to her

 

[AngieJ]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

thats because these fans are fans of the jackson family not mj. and will try to justify anything they do no matter how wrong. no one can justify that contract any attempt to do so just confirms what i have said about who they really support..there are certain posters on several boards who are family fans and not mj ones. they will post and live on an mj board yet attack him and defend anything the family does no matter what.

It's been surprising to see who it is that acts this way. Before MJ's passing, I had no idea these posters were this into the family.

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

thats because these fans are fans of the jackson family not mj. and will try to justify anything they do no matter how wrong. no one can justify that contract any attempt to do so just confirms what i have said about who they really support..there are certain posters on several boards who are family fans and not mj ones. they will post and live on an mj board yet attack him and defend anything the family does no matter what.

yup..I agree..I have seen a couple of them around...I think their motives are obvious.

 

[MJFan07]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

I have to say it makes me sad seeing how acceptive we are when it comes to MJ's family not making the right moves for him and his kids. If this were any other fanbase, fans would universally be upset and outspoken about what's going on. But with us, some actually makes excuses and justify all the messed up things that are happening.

Something's wrong when non fans question things, but an actual MJ fan won't.

It's not that we are acceptive, it's that what is 'right' is an opinion. We are fans. We do not know the parties involved. We do not know the ins and outs of the situation. We may think we do, but we don't. We only know little pieces here and there that we can gather from google.

I think what we know gives reason to show some concern, but not enough reason to vilify Katherine or disrespect her choices. It's clear she loves her grandchildren and she has shown year after year how much she loves Michael.

Like Michael said, and quite adamantly, don't condemn someone unless you've spoken with them one on one about the situation. None of you, as far as I know, have spoken with Katherine one on one about this situation. So, in my opinion, I think Michael would be ashamed that his fans would be so eager to judge and condemn his mother, without even speaking to her. It's OK to question her choices but to vilify and condemn her as many here are doing IMO is extreme, unfair, and uncalled for.

 

[MJFan07]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

yup..I agree..I have seen a couple of them around...I think their motives are obvious.

No, I think you guys don't know how to argue with someone who disagrees with you so you call them not an MJ fan. Prove to me that your argument is valid. If it was valid you wouldn't need to go the 'not an MJ fan' route. Sad.

You forget that MJ was a huge fan of Katherine and a huge fan of not judging people you haven't spoken with one on one. But guess you don't know MJ as well as you thought you did.

 

[marebear]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Michael loved his mother and trusted her to take care of his kids. But Michael would not want his children in some contract with anybody. He wanted them to be kids and enjoy being one. What he didn't have he wanted his children to have. If his mother needs more money then ask Janet to help out. If she needs the money to support the others then they need to get jobs and support themselves. Whatever the situation is just leave the children out of it.

Obviously she isn't going to raise them and do exactly what Michael did. Honestly nobody could and things are different. It's sad to see everything he tried to do and to protect them get thrown out the window. His children are bright and kind and caring just like their father. I hope whatever he taught them and memories will stay with them.

 

[ExoticPrincess]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

What saddens me is that there are fans that discount what Michael Jackson, his staff (Evvy Tavesci - a long time trusted staff member and supporter of Michael Jackson. She works for MJJ Productions to this DAY) and his lawyers had to say about Melissa Johnson. Melissa Johnson (According to legal documents filed in the past DECADE) was advised by Michael's lawyers to stop harassing Michael Jackson and Evvy Tavesci:




Melissa Johnson REFUSED to apologize to Michael Jackson. She stated (Which is recorded by the courts):



Back to her illegal entry of Neverland. Ms. Johnson clearly didn't see that she was trespassing or harassing Michael Jackson. Her own words:



These are Melissa Johnson's words - Not Michael's, Not MJ's assistant Evvy, but her own words in a rambling 5 page letter. The question that must be asked is would Michael want this woman (who has blatantly violated copyright infringement laws, exploited Michael's name, image and charitable works, and more importantly harassed himself as well as staff) around HIS CHILDREN?

Nothing and no one can justify what is going on here. Melissa Johnson and the usurped HTWF has nothing to do with Michael Jackson and therefore should have nothing to do with his children because MICHAEL JACKSON, his staff and his attorneys 9 years ago clearly stated, "her behavior and attempted communications with Mr. Jackson are harassing, highly inappropriate and constitutes a security risk to Jackson and his employees."

One must ask, what would Michael want in this situation?

Great post Trish! :clapping:

Trying to shed a positive light? Did that include her going on Oprah and saying his nose was like a pencil? Did that include her calling her son an addict despite the fact she said not to long ago he was not? Does that include her bitching about how she needs more money despite the fact her son's will makes it that she never has to worry about money? Nah leave his legacy to the estate not her. And as far has that book goes it was filled with old PICS and quotes from a book she put out years ago. That had nothing to do with his legacy but it had a lot to do with her bottom line

Always about the bottomline!:yes:

In other words MICHEAL JACKSON the man we claim to love and honor so much was dead wrong on every count. Wrong for loving and trusting his mom more than any other (excluding kids) Wrong for appointing his mom to care for his kids. Wrong for leaving the bulk share of his estate to his mom. Just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG every which way.!!!!

So what are we really saying about MICHEAL JACKSON.????

Even Michael jackson I'm sure would be surprised by the actions of his family! his mother included.

speaking of that interview on GMA..the way Katherine said..they go to public school now...they have always been home schooled. I truly believe that those kids are as smart as they as BECAUSE Michael home schooled them..he took them places to educate them that NO public school would take them. To me it was the way she said it like....ooooo..they were home schooled...I felt like saying...SO WHAT..atleast when Michael was here he wasn't exploiting them for a fake charity...and he didnt sign a contract with scum like Mann. That part of the interview really bugged me.

What she is doing is insinuating that the children are flourishing more under her care and supervision. Notice that on Oprah she made a comment like "now Paris has friends." She would state that Michael was a good father and then make comments to suggest how much better the kids are doing under her care. That is the reason she did not rebuke Robin for making that statement about "normal." Katherine, by her statements is implying that the kids are "normal" with her. You notice the media will say certain things to their faces because they know that is the way the Jacksons think. Jermaine tried to compete with Michael, and I hope Katherine is not trying to compete with Michael as the "best dad ever" to use Paris' words.

:yes:

Really..well then how come she isn't parading any of Jermain's children up there?? How come she doesn't show how proud she is of them??? Are they NOT all her grandchildren?

She knows the interest does'nt lie with them, plus theres no $$$ to their names

Every body wants to take credit for the good parenting Michael did.

You got that right :yes:

thats because these fans are fans of the jackson family not mj. and will try to justify anything they do no matter how wrong. no one can justify that contract any attempt to do so just confirms what i have said about who they really support..there are certain posters on several boards who are family fans and not mj ones. they will post and live on an mj board yet attack him and defend anything the family does no matter what.

There is no missing these people.....they could disrespect Michael in the worst possible way and they would still be defending them

yup..I agree..I have seen a couple of them around...I think their motives are obvious.

Blatantly obvious!:clapping:

 

[ExoticPrincess]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

No, I think you guys don't know how to argue with someone who disagrees with you so you call them not an MJ fan. Prove to me that your argument is valid. If it was valid you wouldn't need to go the 'not an MJ fan' route. Sad.

You forget that MJ was a huge fan of Katherine and a huge fan of not judging people you haven't spoken with one on one. But guess you don't know MJ as well as you thought you did.

You keep saying that but continually chose to ignore the proof shown and I guess Michael did'nt know his mother as well either given that his wishes are being totally disrespected and ignored!

Tell me Michael Jackson would approve of his children being exploited like they have, you may not see it that way, but thats EXACTLY whats happening. Howard Mann is USING her and THE KIDS and she is allowing it all for MONEY!

This whole thing is gonna blow up in her face for sure.

 

[MJFan07]

Michael loved his mother and trusted her to take care of his kids. But Michael would not want his children in some contract with anybody. He wanted them to be kids and enjoy being one. What he didn't have he wanted his children to have. If his mother needs more money then ask Janet to help out. If she needs the money to support the others then they need to get jobs and support themselves. Whatever the situation is just leave the children out of it.

Obviously she isn't going to raise them and do exactly what Michael did. Honestly nobody could and things are different. It's sad to see everything he tried to do and to protect them get thrown out the window. His children are bright and kind and caring just like their father. I hope whatever he taught them and memories will stay with them.

You are assuming she did it for money and money only. That is an opinion, not a fact. Yes, she is receiving money, but that does not mean it was her sole motivation.

And, yes, Michael didn't have them on TV. But you can't compare today to yesterday. Today these children are carrying Michael's legacy. They represent him. They did not before as Michael was still here.

Would I have made the same decision as Katherine? Honestly, I don't know as I don't know all the details of the situation. I certainly would never place his children in harm’s way and I don't think Katherine would either. And I haven't seen proof that she has. I probably wouldn't put them on TV before they were teenagers, and only then if they wanted to, but that's not reason enough for me to hate on Katherine.

And I don't think everything Michael did has gone out the window. He raised them so they would be ready for this day. He clearly raised three amazing children.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

To quote Mrs Jackson it is need not greed. A need for what?

 

[marebear]

You are assuming she did it for money and money only. That is an opinion, not a fact. Yes, she is receiving money, but that does not mean it was her sole motivation.

And, yes, Michael didn't have them on TV. But you can't compare today to yesterday. Today these children are carrying Michael's legacy. They represent him. They did not before as Michael was still here.

Would I have made the same decision as Katherine? Honestly, I don't know as I don't know all the details of the situation. I certainly would never place his children in harm’s way and I don't think Katherine would either. And I haven't seen proof that she has. I probably wouldn't put them on TV before they were teenagers, and only then if they wanted to, but that's not reason enough for me to hate on Katherine.

And I don't think everything Michael did has gone out the window. He raised them so they would be ready for this day. He clearly raised three amazing children.

I just think whatever her motivations are that the children should be kept out of it. There is no need to involve them. They do represent Michael and as they get older they can do whatever they want to show that. There is lots of time for them.