Jermaine's Child Support Plea -- I'm Broke, No Joke

[#1MJstan]

Katherine has asked Alejandra to move her family into a nearly Jackson condo but Alejandra has refused and Katherine won't put her foot down.

Umm I hope this part is not true... I blame both parties, Jerm needs to get out there and get his hustle on and take care of his own damn kids, and while Alejandra is waiting on that back child support she needs to be out there on her own grind not depending on the handouts from Mrs. Jackson and the free room & board compliments of the MJ's estate.. damn moochers if u ask me. I wonder why Halima would marry a no good man like that..

 

[144000]

somebody check and see if one of jermaine Jackson's songs is playing on the radio. lol. isn't dynamite still playing? did he write that? did he co write it? lol. how bout..'daddy's home'. no..that's a remake..

how bout 'Let's Get Serious'. did he co write that, or is that just a Stevie Joint?

How bout that song he dueted with Whitney Houston? did he write that? co write it? lol.

someone on this planet knows. i know we downplay residuals, on some artists more than others, but we know those residuals are for life. lol. this is a big planet, and somewhere on it, a Jerm song is playing on the radio. so many stations. one song per second, on even the most obscure of artists. he gotta be receiving a royalty check from somewhere. even now. years later, even if the song wasn't that great. so many oldies stations(annd current stations that sometimes play oldies) must fill their space. so if one of u on this planet hears what sounds like Jerms, on the radio, pls google it and see if he at least co wrote, and let us know? lol

 

[Severus Snape]

Jermaine is such a joke. I still can't believe he's having more children. You would think he'd learn from all the walking disasters seen around the world. -shakes head-

The saddest part is that most of that family is living off of Michael. They always say that family is golden, and will support you until the end. Yeah, well, family will also try to use blood relation to leech money out of you. Exhibit A: Jermaine Jackson.

I wish Michael would have been of harder heart. The only way these people would have ever learned is if someone straightly tells them: no more money. Get a job. Have a life. Seriously, Jermaine & Co. are adults. Even if it's working at the bloody Mc Burger, anything at all is better than to mooch off of your own brother like some sort of parasite.

Halima seems like a nice girl. I have no idea why she even humoured a loser like Jermaine in the first place. Especially when he's so ugly, both inside and out, and has no job. The only thing he has is that connection to Michael, which he has no qualms about exploiting, as we keep seeing over and over again. For shame!

I hope the judge doesn't budge on this--that loser needs to learn a lesson in responsibility. If you can't support your kids and you live solely by being your little brother's parasite, then perhaps you should abstain from further procreation.

 

[144000]

Jermaine is such a joke. I still can't believe he's having more children. You would think he'd learn from all the walking disasters seen around the world. -shakes head-

The saddest part is that most of that family is living off of Michael. They always say that family is golden, and will support you until the end. Yeah, well, family will also try to use blood relation to leech money out of you. Exhibit A: Jermaine Jackson.

I wish Michael would have been of harder heart. The only way these people would have ever learned is if someone straightly tells them: no more money. Get a job. Have a life. Seriously, Jermaine & Co. are adults. Even if it's working at the bloody Mc Burger, anything at all is better than to mooch off of your own brother like some sort of parasite.

Halima seems like a nice girl. I have no idea why she even humoured a loser like Jermaine in the first place. Especially when he's so ugly, both inside and out, and has no job. The only thing he has is that connection to Michael, which he has no qualms about exploiting, as we keep seeing over and over again. For shame!

I hope the judge doesn't budge on this--that loser needs to learn a lesson in responsibility. If you can't support your kids and you live solely by being your little brother's parasite, then perhaps you should abstain from further procreation.

do any of us really wish that? no matter what?

he wouldn't be him if that was the case.

there's gotta be some other way things come around.

 

[Severus Snape]

do any of us really wish that? no matter what?

he wouldn't be him if that was the case.

there's gotta be some other way things come around.

Well, no one wants him to not be himself, of course, but a firm stance and basic self defence against people who sought to take advantage of him would have doubtlessly saved him much grief.

That's the only point I wish to make, and that was his only flaw.

 

[144000]

woah..to me, of all the things that make him up..that one thing truly wasn't a flaw. to me, his whole essence was based on that.

hard hearted people die, every day. people with a firm hand die everyday. there's always someone around the corner out to get somebody, no matter how firm the victim is. and they get em. that's the way of this nasty world. but Michael's essence protected those things important to him. there was and still is that special shield. in the end, Jermaine is still on the outside looking in, and he can't get in. Michael kept the faith, his kids are ultimately in control, and Jermaine is on the outside. the bad thing would be if Jermaine could somehow get on the inside..but it's clear he cannot.

 

[Big Apple2]

Mr. Jermaine is sending out mixed messages, in my opinion.

I mean, on one hand he loves to proclaim the virtues of family and the strength of the family unit. And on the other hand you have a guy who is acting like a TYPICAL deadbeat dad. Sorry Jermaine, but you can't have it both ways.

From $3,000.00 to $215.00. That's a joke all by itself. Just thinking about the food bill alone for 2 growing boys is enough to make you shake your head at that $215.00 amount.

I wonder how the new Mrs. Jermaine Jackson feels about her husband being a deadbeat dad. At times, we tend to think: "oh he would never do that to me." And then 10 seconds later he is doing that same exact thing to YOU.

 

[StaceyMJ]

Wow, that's sad. Quite believable everything goes in Halima's name. Pathetic behaviour if true.

 

[MJ1958]

How about working, Jermaine??

 

[twinklEE]

Mr. Jermaine is sending out mixed messages, in my opinion.

I mean, on one hand he loves to proclaim the virtues of family and the strength of the family unit. And on the other hand you have a guy who is acting like a TYPICAL deadbeat dad. Sorry Jermaine, but you can't have it both ways.

From $3,000.00 to $215.00. That's a joke all by itself. Just thinking about the food bill alone for 2 growing boys is enough to make you shake your head at that $215.00 amount.

I wonder how the new Mrs. Jermaine Jackson feels about her husband being a deadbeat dad. At times, we tend to think: "oh he would never do that to me." And then 10 seconds later he is doing that same exact thing to YOU.

Exactly.

 

[Severus Snape]

woah..to me, of all the things that make him up..that one thing truly wasn't a flaw. to me, his whole essence was based on that.

hard hearted people die, every day. people with a firm hand die everyday. there's always someone around the corner out to get somebody, no matter how firm the victim is. and they get em. that's the way of this nasty world. but Michael's essence protected those things important to him. there was and still is that special shield. in the end, Jermaine is still on the outside looking in, and he can't get in. Michael kept the faith, his kids are ultimately in control, and Jermaine is on the outside. the bad thing would be if Jermaine could somehow get on the inside..but it's clear he cannot.

As I said, no one is saying Michael shouldn't have a good heart. Firmness, however, is not a flaw. Good-heartedness is indeed a virtue, however, people need to be careful because predatory people prey on those who possess a good nature. Mind you, it's not even about dying or not dying. Everyone kicks the bucket.

But...had he really taken time to see what was going on, none of the trials would have happened. None of the people whom he helped with his good heart would have turned on him because they were greedy leeches. The lazy Jackson family members wouldn't be mooching off of him now, and would have a halfway decent way to make a living.

Yes, I too admire Michael for his good nature and desire to help others. What I hate the most is people who take advantage of such a good heart, but they exist and the only thing we can do is protect ourselves from them. That's all. I wish he would have taken time to protect himself, because in the end he got hurt. They didn't. That breaks my heart.

I didn't make the world, but we'd be fools to not protect ourselves from the predators that inhabit it. In that, I think, he partly failed. He trusted too easily and it became a tried and true method for people to take advantage of him, as evidence shows.

Anyway, this is the last I will say on that, on fear of further getting OT.

 

[Memefan]

As I said, no one is saying Michael shouldn't have a good heart. Firmness, however, is not a flaw. Good-heartedness is indeed a virtue, however, people need to be careful because predatory people prey on those who possess a good nature. Mind you, it's not even about dying or not dying. Everyone kicks the bucket.

But...had he really taken time to see what was going on, none of the trials would have happened. None of the people whom he helped with his good heart would have turned on him because they were greedy leeches. The lazy Jackson family members wouldn't be mooching off of him now, and would have a halfway decent way to make a living.

Yes, I too admire Michael for his good nature and desire to help others. What I hate the most is people who take advantage of such a good heart, but they exist and the only thing we can do is protect ourselves from them. That's all. I wish he would have taken time to protect himself, because in the end he got hurt. They didn't. That breaks my heart.

I didn't make the world, but we'd be fools to not protect ourselves from the predators that inhabit it. In that, I think, he partly failed. He trusted too easily and it became a tried and true method for people to take advantage of him, as evidence shows.

Anyway, this is the last I will say on that, on fear of further getting OT.

:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[144000]

As I said, no one is saying Michael shouldn't have a good heart. Firmness, however, is not a flaw. Good-heartedness is indeed a virtue, however, people need to be careful because predatory people prey on those who possess a good nature. Mind you, it's not even about dying or not dying. Everyone kicks the bucket.

But...had he really taken time to see what was going on, none of the trials would have happened. None of the people whom he helped with his good heart would have turned on him because they were greedy leeches. The lazy Jackson family members wouldn't be mooching off of him now, and would have a halfway decent way to make a living.

Yes, I too admire Michael for his good nature and desire to help others. What I hate the most is people who take advantage of such a good heart, but they exist and the only thing we can do is protect ourselves from them. That's all. I wish he would have taken time to protect himself, because in the end he got hurt. They didn't. That breaks my heart.

I didn't make the world, but we'd be fools to not protect ourselves from the predators that inhabit it. In that, I think, he partly failed. He trusted too easily and it became a tried and true method for people to take advantage of him, as evidence shows.

Anyway, this is the last I will say on that, on fear of further getting OT.

it sounds like you're blaming Michael for all these bad people. hasn't enough been heaped upon him? there's no such thing as what if. what happened happened because of these peoples' greedy nature, not what Michael didn't do. this is a sub topic. it's all intertwined. nothing could stop Jermaine from being who he is. nothing about Michael's personality, at all. Jermaine planted these seeds when he was in the Jackson Five. you can't blame other people for peoples' actions. everybody is responsible for their own decisions. blaming the victim is wrong. a person can't say..well..i can rob this bank, because their security is not tight enough. what shall i do, if i get caught by the police..say it's the banks fault, because they're not secure enough? that's slippery at best. it falls into the category, of a person blaming a naked woman for a man raping her.

bottom line..Jermaine is Jermaine because Jermaine is Jermaine. there is no other reason why Jermaine is Jermaine.

and if you think perpetrators don't ultimately suffer..nothing can be further from the truth.

this reminds me of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. were his tactics too gentle? not assertive enough? not firm enough? a lot of bad things happened to him, too.

 

[PCR]

As I said, no one is saying Michael shouldn't have a good heart. Firmness, however, is not a flaw. Good-heartedness is indeed a virtue, however, people need to be careful because predatory people prey on those who possess a good nature. Mind you, it's not even about dying or not dying. Everyone kicks the bucket.

But...had he really taken time to see what was going on, none of the trials would have happened. None of the people whom he helped with his good heart would have turned on him because they were greedy leeches. The lazy Jackson family members wouldn't be mooching off of him now, and would have a halfway decent way to make a living.

Yes, I too admire Michael for his good nature and desire to help others. What I hate the most is people who take advantage of such a good heart, but they exist and the only thing we can do is protect ourselves from them. That's all. I wish he would have taken time to protect himself, because in the end he got hurt. They didn't. That breaks my heart.

I didn't make the world, but we'd be fools to not protect ourselves from the predators that inhabit it. In that, I think, he partly failed. He trusted too easily and it became a tried and true method for people to take advantage of him, as evidence shows.

Anyway, this is the last I will say on that, on fear of further getting OT.

I agree.
And I don't see this as blaming Michael for what he had to lived, but rather as recognizing what it's true. Michael was a great man, but he was not perfect, and there were always enugh greedy leeches around him to take advantage of any little detail Michael might miss, being that an autograph or a hat they are auctioning now, or "friendship" and journeys, as many others got and now use to profit and get money and attention giving "insights on their 'close' relations with Michael".

Isn't Oprah cashing on that now to promote her interview to Ms. Rowling? :doh:


whatever.

that Jermain.... maaaaannn... I just don't understand why some people are sooooo scared to work. It doesn't hurt, you know? And Michael Jackson did it very often... I wonder why some guys don't want to follow that part of his legacy...:smilerolleyes:

 

[144000]

i don't see too many people making the great light in the world Michael did. you couldn't ask for anything more.
nobody has proven a woulda coulda shoulda scene, because they don't exist. that's incredibly unfair to Michael. nobody has been able to create a better scenario than the life Michael has lived. it's about leaving the world a little more better than one has found it. and that's what he did. yet, people still operate as they wish. the 'tweaking' of one's personality doesn't change that. it is soooo not fair to say Michael's personality has something to do with what leeches did to him. i do see it as blame.

and it's soo unfair to say Michael's personality has anything to do with the decisions Jermaine Jackson or anybody else made. it's the cheap and easy way out for the perpetrator who is a leech. a leech is solely responsible for being a leech. and in the end, the leech will have to face the music alone, as is deserved..and as is supposed to be.

we tend to think we can monday morning quarterback somebody else's life. but..no we can't. we got our own lives to worry about. and..we think our suggestion is better than what we witnessed in someone else's life. but..no it's not.

....and the beat goes on...

...man..i'm tired..

 

[Severus Snape]

it sounds like you're blaming Michael for all these bad people. hasn't enough been heaped upon him? there's no such thing as what if. what happened happened because of these peoples' greedy nature, not what Michael didn't do. this is a sub topic. it's all intertwined. nothing could stop Jermaine from being who he is. nothing about Michael's personality, at all. Jermaine planted these seeds when he was in the Jackson Five. you can't blame other people for peoples' actions. everybody is responsible for their own decisions. blaming the victim is wrong. a person can't say..well..i can rob this bank, because their security is not tight enough. what shall i do, if i get caught by the police..say it's the banks fault, because they're not secure enough? that's slippery at best. it falls into the category, of a person blaming a naked woman for a man raping her.

bottom line..Jermaine is Jermaine because Jermaine is Jermaine. there is no other reason why Jermaine is Jermaine.

and if you think perpetrators don't ultimately suffer..nothing can be further from the truth.

this reminds me of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. were his tactics too gentle? not assertive enough? not firm enough? a lot of bad things happened to him, too.

Don't misinterpret me. I am in no way blaming Michael for the bad choices others make. That would be ludicrous. However, no one is perfect and it was only my wish to see him protect himself better. It is precisely because Jermaine IS how he is that Michael would have needed to take necessary measures against him. (generalized i.e. if you know someone is a robber, you're not going to leave them alone with valuable possessions, are you? Sure, they could attempt to break into your house and steal them all the same, but taking measures against someone like that greatly reduces the chances of such things. i.e. reduce opportunity.)

As far as the bank incident--it only does much to support my thesis. No one in their right mind would blame the bank, however, once it got robbed the bank would rationally take measures to IMPROVE security, would it not? Otherwise, every scumbag in town would go to the bank with the security flaws and the business would be ruined. It would be foolhardy for the bank to not protect itself against further offences, would it not? It can't change the world, or the vile people in it, but it can take measures to protect itself. That's generally why most places have security personnel.

As for the woman, granted no one can foresee an attack coming and I never claimed Michael could or should. However, this woman, knowing that the man she dealt with was a rapist, would be wise to avoid him in the future, no? That's the sensible thing to do, anyway.

I am in no way blaming Michael for what Jermaine does. I am not sure if English is your native tongue, because some things seem to be getting lost in transition. I am merely saying that we are all responsible in protecting ourselves. That's all. Obviously, the actions others choose to take are their sole responsibility, but precisely because Jermaine had been planting the seeds of jealousy since the J5 days--Michael would have been well-advised taken measures to protect himself against him.

We are all flawed creatures. I am not criticizing Michael's personality, as it has nothing to do with what I am saying. There is reasonable action and lack thereof, and the outcome is decided by either course. That is true for all of us, whether you are Michael Jackson or Joe Schmoe the Banker. You can't change other people's nature, but you can alienate yourself from those who harm you. Analyzing someone's actions or lack thereof isn't an attack on their personality. Good people make bad choices sometimes.

I agree--what's done is done. However, we treasure history precisely BECAUSE learning from the past is valuable. What if we were to never change our ways of dealing with things? They're no guarantee against the atrocities other people commit, this is true, however, they are preventive measures that are rational to take as basic self-preservation. The same can be said about our own personal histories. If you deal with someone who stabbed you in the back, who was jealous of you, etc. and you got hurt, you'd be wise to prevent such a thing from reoccurring in future, no?

My point is, there is nothing wrong with Michael's personality. It is beautiful and unique. I dislike seeing people put themselves at risk repeatedly and getting hurt over things which could have been prevented. Especially people I care about, which is why I tend to be a bit critical.

As for Martin Luther King Jr., he was assertive. You do nothing but further prove my point. He wasn't aggressive, but he wasn't reckless either. He was firm. Non-violence is firmness and assertiveness. MLK did not change his personality or his beliefs, however, he was smart as to what tactics to use to achieve his noble goal.

If you're attempting to say that the assassination somehow proves something--random events that occur in the flash of an eye have no rational explanation. The murderer just pounced with no prior offences against MLK, etc. Michael's situation differs in that those who choose to harm him have been for the most part repeat attackers who heavily premeditated their attacks on him, people who keep coming back for more and more. People whom he would have been wise to avoid.

To conclude: there is nothing wrong with Michael. There's everything wrong with those who chose to do him harm, Jermaine among them.

I must also say, don't get defensive. We're on the same side, after all, even if the fine details of our opinions differ. End transmission.

 

[144000]

apparently it wasn't the end of the transmission.

this isn't about flaws.
and MJ wasn't reckless.

this is about what Jermaine is doing. not about what Michael should have done. and no..we're not on the same side, if this is about continuing to drill Michael, even after his death. subtle language, terse language..to me, it's all the same.

...amazing..

man..i don't even know how Michael got into this conversation in the first place.

can we just focus on Jermaine, and finally leave Michael in peace? ..though it seems like that'll never happen..

 

[Severus Snape]

apparently it wasn't the end of the transmission.

this isn't about flaws.
and MJ wasn't reckless.

this is about what Jermaine is doing. not about what Michael should have done. and no..we're not on the same side, if this is about continuing to drill Michael, even after his death. subtle language, terse language..to me, it's all the same.

...amazing..

man..i don't even know how Michael got into this conversation in the first place.

Again, it seems as though you're either unintentionally or deliberately twisting my statements. When I mentioned recklessness, I mentioned it in the most general terms. We can all make reckless actions sometimes--it's part of human nature. I know I've been guilty of handling things incorrectly, and if someone were to point this out, I wouldn't take this as them "drilling" me. People who care about others would point out the mistakes made in the past in hopes of improving the future. In fact, that really seemed to be part of the problem with Michael's entourage--too many enablers and not enough sense. We all know what was in it for them, of course. Funny how money corrupts people.

Yes, this is all about what Jermaine was doing, and I think I have sufficiently expressed my opinion: the loser should stop mooching off his brother (even after his death, for shame!) and get a job already. Read my first post if this wasn't clear enough for you.

No one is drilling Michael, and I don't think anyone except you sees it that way. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say, and there are things that could have been handled in a better manner. That's my point. My only wish, as I have said numerous times, was to see him take better care of his own welfare, so as to not welcome those parasitic beings into his life.

Obviously, what is done is done, as you said. Those people ought to be right ashamed of themselves for doing what they did to him. Jermaine most of all, being his brother and everything, you would think he would honour that, but such was clearly not the case.

I believe I mentioned my wish that Michael would have taken more caution against the slimy likes of Jermaine and Co., and then you replied to my quote, and here we are, many exchanges later. How's your morning?

 

[144000]

..hindsight is twenty twenty. or is it?

the fact that MJ is long gone, and Jermaine is operating here, in the present tense, really makes talking about Michael's shoulda woulda coulda's kinda irrelevant.

it's like saying Jermaine is doing something, and MJ should stop him right now. even though we know that's not possible.

Jeramaine is doing something right now, that HE should take steps to correct. no one else. and you know what? there is never enough that a person can do to stop another person from being a perpetrator. as they say..u can secure it only so much, but if a terrorist wants to get you, he will.

Michael led a peaceful life, and he was smart, and strong. that's the best a person can be, with his personality. and people went after him. that's it.

on the other hand, a person can be a monster dictator with militant ways, who will go out of their way, in paranoid fashion to militantly protect themselves. and there are many examples of those in the world, and their enemies still got em. there are people who are the kind that don't take crap from anybody, and they still have their enemies who find ways to undercut them, and take over on them, etc. i would imagine that Donald Trump was a powerful taskmaster, when he went bankrupt.

so..things happen. bad people come after you. and there's always someone who can advise how u coulda done it better. it never ends.

i like Michael's way of having handled his life.

if you notice...many celebs got so much less scrutiny, yet their affairs weren't in as great order as Mike. like i said, trump went bankrupt. nobody scrutinized him. Mike's catalogue is still his. his affairs are still his. his financial empire is still his, after all the people that went in and out of his life. what his empire was, in the beginning, it still is, today. it's interesting how that slips notice..

even with MJ gone...his empire still has the same identity, it always did, even with people chasing after it now. last time i checked, the chase has gone on for more than fifteen years. and the ones doing the pursuing, have come...and gone. more are on the doorstep now. as far as i see it...it's not gunna change. but with Michael...the phrase 'he did the best he could' is truly not a cliche, as it tends to be in other cases.

i for one, am in awe, at how Michael's empire..even with him gone, is in better shape, than the affairs of many, who are still here. Jermaine, included.

so...like i said..MJ's not here..Jermaine Jackson is active at the moment, doing his thing...so, it just seems that Jermaine should be the sole target of discussion..

it's so easy to say...'if i care about you i'll do such and such' that's a scary thing to say, cus a lot of times, people mess up in trying.

and yes...you might not see it as drilling u.

but Michael had tons of stuff thrown at him. tons. i dare say, more than you and me..

millions of giant insects harrassing him, his whole life.
and..no..i'm not the only one who thinks that way, as i have been told so, by others. not that that matters.
drilling him...is drilling. the only way, the drilling stops..is if..he's left totally in peace, for a change.

right now, i'm concerned with how Jermaine is being a man, and making guys in general, look bad.

 

[Dutchie]

As I said, no one is saying Michael shouldn't have a good heart. Firmness, however, is not a flaw. Good-heartedness is indeed a virtue, however, people need to be careful because predatory people prey on those who possess a good nature. Mind you, it's not even about dying or not dying. Everyone kicks the bucket.

But...had he really taken time to see what was going on, none of the trials would have happened. None of the people whom he helped with his good heart would have turned on him because they were greedy leeches. The lazy Jackson family members wouldn't be mooching off of him now, and would have a halfway decent way to make a living.

Yes, I too admire Michael for his good nature and desire to help others. What I hate the most is people who take advantage of such a good heart, but they exist and the only thing we can do is protect ourselves from them. That's all. I wish he would have taken time to protect himself, because in the end he got hurt. They didn't. That breaks my heart.

I didn't make the world, but we'd be fools to not protect ourselves from the predators that inhabit it. In that, I think, he partly failed. He trusted too easily and it became a tried and true method for people to take advantage of him, as evidence shows.

Anyway, this is the last I will say on that, on fear of further getting OT.

:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

Very well said.

 

[Memefan]

Again, it seems as though you're either unintentionally or deliberately twisting my statements. When I mentioned recklessness, I mentioned it in the most general terms. We can all make reckless actions sometimes--it's part of human nature. I know I've been guilty of handling things incorrectly, and if someone were to point this out, I wouldn't take this as them "drilling" me. People who care about others would point out the mistakes made in the past in hopes of improving the future. In fact, that really seemed to be part of the problem with Michael's entourage--too many enablers and not enough sense. We all know what was in it for them, of course. Funny how money corrupts people.

Yes, this is all about what Jermaine was doing, and I think I have sufficiently expressed my opinion: the loser should stop mooching off his brother (even after his death, for shame!) and get a job already. Read my first post if this wasn't clear enough for you.

No one is drilling Michael, and I don't think anyone except you sees it that way. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say, and there are things that could have been handled in a better manner. That's my point. My only wish, as I have said numerous times, was to see him take better care of his own welfare, so as to not welcome those parasitic beings into his life.

Obviously, what is done is done, as you said. Those people ought to be right ashamed of themselves for doing what they did to him. Jermaine most of all, being his brother and everything, you would think he would honour that, but such was clearly not the case.

I believe I mentioned my wish that Michael would have taken more caution against the slimy likes of Jermaine and Co., and then you replied to my quote, and here we are, many exchanges later. How's your morning?

I agree with most of what you wrote...but in the end MJ did take measures to protect himself when it came to the family. But he had ONE MAJOR weakness and they ALL knew it: KATHERINE JACKSON.

They all use her to get through to him....whether by talking him into doing the Victory tour in the '80s...to dissuading him from going after Randy Jackson after the 2005 trial.

 

[144000]

reminds me of a scene from CSI, after a shoot em up...and one cop told another how it coulda been prevented..and the other said..'well, it's always easy to correct them, after the fact'

anyway..shirking responsibility seems to always be in fashion, no matter how much advice is given. at least Jermaine thinks so..

 

[bluetopez]

I think MJ tried his best to protect himself from bad people and things as best he could! But, when you look at the list of people including family members who betrayed him, what is there he could have done? Other then literally stop talking to anyone that was human! But, that ain't no way to live! Cause he had to talk to somebody and be friends with somebody, you know?! Especialy if he wanted to lend a hand!

MJ kept his career going it is not his fault if his siblings couldn't maintain it themselves! They relied to much on the J5 era success! But, when u look at Janet she does her own thing and that's proof that so could have the brothers also! Shoot even Tito is doing his thang! He was the only Jackson to never had a solo album until recently and look at him now! He out there doing his thing, still trying and doing what he gotta do and he don't even have little kids! So for the rest there is really no excuse! Jermaine has a great voice IMO so he should use it! lol

 

[Severus Snape]

I agree with most of what you wrote...but in the end MJ did take measures to protect himself when it came to the family. But he had ONE MAJOR weakness and they ALL knew it: KATHERINE JACKSON.

They all use her to get through to him....whether by talking him into doing the Victory tour in the '80s...to dissuading him from going after Randy Jackson after the 2005 trial.

You hit the nail right in the head. It's a sad fact, and we all have weaknesses which others seek to exploit for their own benefit. 144,000 is right in saying that Michael got scrutiny from the media, however, I think he/she is confusing my wishes with that same scrutiny. The intentions are completely different.

Michael had a beautiful heart and, beautiful though it was, it left him vulnerable. It's a sad fact of the world that some people would attempt to hurt someone so noble, especially when they're in his family.

 

[Severus Snape]

..hindsight is twenty twenty. or is it?

the fact that MJ is long gone, and Jermaine is operating here, in the present tense, really makes talking about Michael's shoulda woulda coulda's kinda irrelevant.

it's like saying Jermaine is doing something, and MJ should stop him right now. even though we know that's not possible.

Jeramaine is doing something right now, that HE should take steps to correct. no one else. and you know what? there is never enough that a person can do to stop another person from being a perpetrator. as they say..u can secure it only so much, but if a terrorist wants to get you, he will.

Michael led a peaceful life, and he was smart, and strong. that's the best a person can be, with his personality. and people went after him. that's it.

on the other hand, a person can be a monster dictator with militant ways, who will go out of their way, in paranoid fashion to militantly protect themselves. and there are many examples of those in the world, and their enemies still got em. there are people who are the kind that don't take crap from anybody, and they still have their enemies who find ways to undercut them, and take over on them, etc. i would imagine that Donald Trump was a powerful taskmaster, when he went bankrupt.

so..things happen. bad people come after you. and there's always someone who can advise how u coulda done it better. it never ends.

i like Michael's way of having handled his life.

if you notice...many celebs got so much less scrutiny, yet their affairs weren't in as great order as Mike. like i said, trump went bankrupt. nobody scrutinized him. Mike's catalogue is still his. his affairs are still his. his financial empire is still his, after all the people that went in and out of his life. what his empire was, in the beginning, it still is, today. it's interesting how that slips notice..

even with MJ gone...his empire still has the same identity, it always did, even with people chasing after it now. last time i checked, the chase has gone on for more than fifteen years. and the ones doing the pursuing, have come...and gone. more are on the doorstep now. as far as i see it...it's not gunna change. but with Michael...the phrase 'he did the best he could' is truly not a cliche, as it tends to be in other cases.

i for one, am in awe, at how Michael's empire..even with him gone, is in better shape, than the affairs of many, who are still here. Jermaine, included.

so...like i said..MJ's not here..Jermaine Jackson is active at the moment, doing his thing...so, it just seems that Jermaine should be the sole target of discussion..

it's so easy to say...'if i care about you i'll do such and such' that's a scary thing to say, cus a lot of times, people mess up in trying.

and yes...you might not see it as drilling u.

but Michael had tons of stuff thrown at him. tons. i dare say, more than you and me..

millions of giant insects harrassing him, his whole life.
and..no..i'm not the only one who thinks that way, as i have been told so, by others. not that that matters.
drilling him...is drilling. the only way, the drilling stops..is if..he's left totally in peace, for a change.

right now, i'm concerned with how Jermaine is being a man, and making guys in general, look bad.

No, Michael can't do anything to stop Jermaine, obviously. My point has all along been, since my original post, someone should stop him from further mooching off his brother. He's done enough already.

As far as securing, it is obviously sensible. If a terrorist wants to get you, he will? Not exactly. If a terrorist wants to get you and you leave your vulnerabilities wide open, he will. If not, he won't. Otherwise, we'd all be singing praises to Bin Laden or someone along the lines of that at this very minute. Why do you think national security is of such importance?

Michael led a wonderful life, he was incredibly smart and strong beyond belief. No one is questioning that at all. It is all self-evident. However, even the strongest among us make errors and someone should have put their hand out and protected him. That's my idealism again, I can't help it.

As far as brutal dictators, there are many who were not had by their enemies, and most of the ones who were nabbed were done away with precisely because they got lazy in their security and reckless in their tactics. Adolf Hitler, Napoleon Bonaparte, what do these two have in common? Going to Russia completely unprepared, that's what, and fighting battles which were impossible to win, but placing themselves in such a sorry position nonetheless. War on two fronts--not a good idea, Mr. Hitler. Yet in the end he did himself in. Funny. The same cannot be said for Mr. Bonaparte, who still tried to come back and take back what he thought belonged to him, which was an action too stupid to describe, and that earned him a lifelong stay at St. Helena.

Everyone has their weaknesses, Trump's being sheer arrogance. Your enemies will find your weakness and exploit it. It's your job to protect your assets--and Trump did not do that, evidently. In his case, it was arrogance and not good nature which sank him.

It never does end. That's why we have history, and so many nutters like me obsessing over dead guys with funny hats.

Of course, Jermaine should learn the error of his ways, but do I expect him to suddenly wake up one day saying, "OMYGOSHWHATHAVEIDONE!?" After he's shown his true colours so many times, after doing what he did to his own brother?! NO. I expect Hell to freeze over before I expect Jermaine to have an ounce of shame. That's why those in charge of the estate should keep him away from Michael's money. It's not legally his and he's got no right to be pursuing it. That money belongs to no one but PPB.

I love how Michael handled his life. As you said, he did the best he could. I never argued otherwise. I just think he should have looked out for himself a bit more, and those who cared about him and knew him personally should have done the same, because we all know how bad things get when parasites are involved. The bothersome insects you mentioned--imagine if they would have never been there. The world is full of them, but that's why man created screens.

The protection I speak of isn't so much financial. It's against all the suffering he underwent because of people who have no hearts. They managed to get through, and they hurt him. You can see it in his eyes, and that fact alone is enough to have me never forgive them for what they've done. It's inexcusable, and as I said, I only wish it would have never happened.

In any case, none of it is worth arguing over now. It is what it is, as they say.

I only hope Jermaine and the rest of them are kept as far away from Michael's money as possible. He should try getting a job, for once. Like his sister Janet, who is a respectable person.

 

[Severus Snape]

I think MJ tried his best to protect himself from bad people and things as best he could! But, when you look at the list of people including family members who betrayed him, what is there he could have done? Other then literally stop talking to anyone that was human! But, that ain't no way to live! Cause he had to talk to somebody and be friends with somebody, you know?! Especialy if he wanted to lend a hand!

MJ kept his career going it is not his fault if his siblings couldn't maintain it themselves! They relied to much on the J5 era success! But, when u look at Janet she does her own thing and that's proof that so could have the brothers also! Shoot even Tito is doing his thang! He was the only Jackson to never had a solo album until recently and look at him now! He out there doing his thing, still trying and doing what he gotta do and he don't even have little kids! So for the rest there is really no excuse! Jermaine has a great voice IMO so he should use it! lol

It isn't his fault, you are right. I never said it was. In fact, I've been arguing all along that it wasn't his fault. Not that such things need argument, as they are obviously proven. In any case, I disagree with your wording. I think you meant to say, "it's not his fault his siblings WOULDN'T maintain themselves." Couldn't/wouldn't. Big difference there, and the key to understanding the mechanisms of this sibling greed.

Couldn't would be, well, Jermaine's obviously too feeble-minded to hold a steady job, even at the Mc Burger. Bugger keeps putting his hand on the stove and trying to pour frying oil all over our customers. He also speaks incoherently and crawls on all fours. Obviously, he can't hold a steady job and maintain himself. Poor thing...

No, that's not what's going on at all. What's really going on is, Jermaine's too bloody lazy to get a job and be a real provider for his multiple children, and he thinks himself above holding an "average people" job. Somehow, in his weird, twisted logic, being a dependent of his little brother is more dignified than earning his own money fair and square. I don't understand how he arrived at such a strange conclusion, but that's what the man concluded long ago.

I don't understand why he's so set on reviving a singing career that clearly went down the tubes ages ago. He should get a normal job like every other respectable American and take care of his children. They're not Michael Jackson's children, last time I checked, yet they're living on Michael Jackson money--Jermaine really needs to get his act together and be a father for those kids for once. Think of the example he's setting for them. -shakes head-

In any case, back to your original stance--no one is saying Michael should have avoided talking to people. That's insane. However, we're all selective about whom we choose to let inside and why, aren't we? It is true that even by doing so, we err at times, but it remains the sensible action.

 

[bluetopez]

^Yea couldn't or wouldn't....whatever.....u clearly knew what I meant! I don't think it everything needs to be analyzed to death does it?! Just saying! lol

Anyways, MJ did try to stay away from certain family members at times like Joe for example and we all know that!

But, at the same time it's harder then getting away from someone that's your blood then it is someone that is not for some people and that's the truth whether it's a good thing or bad! We can all understand that right?

Well, anyway I leave it here! Jermaine get a job! lol

 

[Severus Snape]

^Yea couldn't or wouldn't....whatever.....u clearly knew what I meant! I don't think it everything needs to be analyzed to death does it?! Just saying! lol

Anyways, MJ did try to stay away from certain family members at times like Joe for example and we all know that!

But, at the same time it's harder then getting away from someone that's your blood then it is someone that is not for some people and that's the truth whether it's a good thing or bad! We can all understand that right?

Well, anyway I leave it here! Jermaine get a job! lol

No. I just wanted to make fun of Jermaine. Also, I like analyzing things. =P

 

[bluetopez]

No. I just wanted to make fun of Jermaine. Also, I like analyzing things. =P

I see! lol

 

[Darth Sidious]

Jermaine is a bum. Period.