Jermaine talks about Michael, allegations, humanitarianism, J5, & Joe's beatings - New interview

Re: Jermaine talks about Michael, allegations, humanitarianism, J5, & Joe's beatings - New interview

I had about enough of The Jacksons downplaying Joe's abuse to them and especially on Michael. It's so damn disrespectful. MJ had every right to talk about HIS experience with that situation period!
 
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Jermaine said that Michael donated hundreds of millions of dollars to charity, before his tragic death in 2009 at age 50.


"He would go to any hospital, anywhere in the world, and walk down the emergency corridors, and find who needed operations and he would pay for them, and give lung transplants and all kinds of things. And liver transplants. That's what he did. And people who couldn't afford burials in our industry, in the music industry, he would bury them (and pay for it)."

He forgot to mention how he paid for the food, shelter, and education of all those poor abandoned kids living in Hayvenhurst as well. I wonder if he ever got so much as a thank you for that.
 
I’m sure MJ didn’t get so much as a thank you from any of that bunch because after all the extraordinary talent of the other four members of the Jackson 5 and Joe’s business genius is what launched Michael into superstardom. Someone should tell them that delusions of grandeur is a sickness.
 
Re: Jermaine talks about Michael, allegations, humanitarianism, J5, & Joe's beatings - New interview

Ah, Jermaine... I love that he's always there for his brother, tho.
 
Re: Jermaine talks about Michael, allegations, humanitarianism, J5, & Joe's beatings - New interview

I know I shouldn't say her name but even Oprah said she could see the fear in Michael's eyes when she talked to him about his father. She hates Michael. Michael had every right to feel what he did and he made sure he was different to how he treated his kids than how Joe treated him. It was important to him that he hoped his kids would think he was a good father. Good grief Joe won't let his own kids call him dad.
 
Re: Jermaine talks about Michael, allegations, humanitarianism, J5, & Joe's beatings - New interview

I am sorry but that is bullshit. Joe beat them to keep them out of gangs? Unless they were acting up and showing signs of getting into gangs then I can understand that argument but have we ever heard any stories of them especially Michael acting out and rebelling and hanging out with gangs? So that would mean they were beating just in case they were thinking about it?
 
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Good grief Joe won't let his own kids call him dad.

I still to this day dont understand for the life of me why joe wouldnt let his children call him dad, as most dads would like hit the roof if their kids didnt
 
Re: Jermaine talks about Michael, allegations, humanitarianism, J5, & Joe's beatings - New interview

I grew up in a pretty tough neighborhood in Brooklyn (back in the 70's it was a much tougher place). If we acted up too much my mother (who was raising 5 girls on her own) would threaten us with the belt but she rarely used it (well, I can't really remember her actually using it). She would keep it hanging in the closet and pretend she was going to get it. Just the thought of her using that belt on us terrified us into behaving. At most she would smack us on the behind with her slipper. I don't agree with what she did but she did the best she could. Imagine raising 5 young girls with no husband, ugh it must have been so tough. I've never had the urge to join a gang lol. But my mom never did anything to us as bad as what Joe did to Michael. I remember hearing an audio recording of Michael saying his father would fill a sock with wet sand and beat him with it. I mean, that is just beyond abusive!
 
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I think joe might have been tougher to micheal then the others. Because he seen that he had talent and maybe he wanted to work him harder. Either way even when they moved out of gary the abuse continued. But maybe looking back on it now they appreciated what Joe did for them. Because he did get them out of Gary and on to a better life.
 
Re: Jermaine talks about Michael, allegations, humanitarianism, J5, & Joe's beatings - New interview

Did Michael sound like he appreciated it on those Rabbi tapes? Would you appropriate being oiled down and beaten?
 
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Why do the jackson family always try to belittle michael its either his achievements or issues like this. as normal its all about the family and their image
 
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Joe may have beat them to keep them out of gangs or whatever but watch any of Michael's short films and you'll see that he loved running the streets with riff raff and hoodlums lol. He was always a rebellious kid so Joe's beatings probably made him even more interested in gangs. A part of me would like to think that some of those video themes were a subtle FU to Joe :)

The family can keep making up excuses for eachother but this is one of the rare cases where the general public is actually on Michael's side.
 
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This topic has come up again, and again. Usually the "pro-Joseph" argument goes, "It's cultural." And, "that was a different era." And, "he kept them out of gangs." And so on. There is a standard of behavior that transcends culture or context, and Joseph violated that. And, I hardly think that beating Michael as a small child, had anything to do with "keeping him out of gangs." Joseph beat his sons because of MISTAKES in rehearsals. Michael himself said that they used to practice while Joseph stood there with a belt in his hands. That is not "cultural." It's ABUSE. Violence toward children makes them MORE prone to violence as adults, not less. Michael was able to break that vicious cycle, and it looks like his brothers were not, and they now feel the need to justify their own behavior.

I believe MICHAEL, not what anyone else in that family-in-denial has to say. Joe could have been sent to JAIL for what he did to Michael! Assault is assault, all the worse when a child is the victim. Violence breeds more violence, in a vicious cycle, as we can see in the way some of the brothers have parented their own children.

Oiling and whipping a child is an atrocity, and there is no possible excuse for that. A sock filled with wet sand? Throwing a child against a wall? That is ASSAULT, against an innocent victim. I think that Joseph not wanting his children to call him "father" is indicative of his own view of his children -- as possessions -- as a means to wealth, but not as actual people related to him in any emotional way. Depersonalizing their relationship just made it easier for him to abuse them, in his mind?

Now, the family says "there were spankings." NO. Those were not "spankings." That was severe child-abuse, that could have/should have been prosecuted. Even back then, in that "era," it crossed the line, badly. And, Katherine, too, is complicit. Her responsibility was FIRST for the safety of her children, and in that she failed.

There is NO excuse at all, for what Joseph did to Michael.
 
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Amen and it makes me very angry that the Jackson's are trying to minimize and cover it up.
 
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^very true. If there was an article in the newspaper that reported the disciplinary actions of these "parents" with the names censored (both now and back then) people would be up in arms and demanding that father AND mother be thrown in jail.
 
Re: Jermaine talks about Michael, allegations, humanitarianism, J5, & Joe's beatings - New interview

Joe beat them cuz he's a violent sadist end of the story, no ifs and but's about it.
 
Michael didn´t get time to play,how would he have time to be in a gang?
Michael and his brothers were working so hard.
 
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Jermaine just talks about the discipline as if joe was doing it more in sorrow than anger to keep the boys on the straight and narrow, but the impression you get is that it was born out of a bad temper and a need for control. Together with the belittling of mj with his appearance, and the humiliations joe meted out to them on the road, eg inviting groupies into their bedrooms to see them sleep - it all adds up to cruelty.

The jackson 5 comment about it being a launchpad for mj the solo star is always trotted out by jermaine. In fact it's a double edged sword - the transition from child star to adult star is incredibly hard - ask donny osmond. You can be put in a box by the public and just remain there whatever you try to do in later life esp in the fast moving world of pop culture - it was only mj's ridiculous levels of talent that could elevate him out of public perceptions of him as a member of j5/jacksons.
 
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Hanging out with Michael haters is a Jackson family tradition, the bigger the offender the better. There was a time when I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they were merely clueless but from that still shot in the video thumbnail it looks like she's hugging one of her best friends.

Its time the estate stops treating the family with kid gloves and really go after them and their money making schemes. Branca needs to publicly humiliate Latoya with a restraining order and them move into the house with Katherine and the kids to keep Latoya away for good :evil:

It's amazing that both Jermaine and Latoya publicly humiliated and betrayed Michael and yet neither of them take full responsibility for their actions and are suddenly on missions to seek justice. When will they finally admit that they are one of the people that helped slowly kill him? In many ways their betrayals probably cut him deeper because they are family.

Back to Jermaine's interview: he gushes about all the great charitable efforts of his brother and yet that giving spirit didn't rub off on the rest of them. Some of them even partake in money making schemes to steal from charities. He keeps hiding behind Michael to stay in the spotlight because he's scared to answer questions about himself. I'd love to hear his answers about why he's a deadbeat dad, why he shares a baby momma with his younger brother, and what he's actually done with himself the last few years. I guess all that stuff isn't so bad when you have a brother as "strange" as Michael to pick apart.
 
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U know I think the estate might be harder one them once KAtherine dies. I think she's the reason they're tolerating a lot of bs from their side. Considering her age, I don't think this leech fest is going to last forever.
 
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U know I think the estate might be harder one them once KAtherine dies. I think she's the reason they're tolerating a lot of bs from their side. Considering her age, I don't think this leech fest is going to last forever.

Just you wait, Katherine is the barrier right now, when she is out of the way, I truly belive there won't be any kissy face with any of the remaining family members, excluding PPB..... and they know this.
 
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MIST;3590707 said:
Michael didn´t get time to play,how would he have time to be in a gang?
Michael and his brothers were working so hard.

Well Im assuming thats what Joe intended in the first place to keep them off the streets. People don't often join gangs for fun, glamour and because they are just born evil bullies and have nothing better to do with their lives, its usually done out of necessity. When things get desperate, there's no knowing what a good natured person will eventually have to do to live and eat.

Either way, yes Joe was pretty Hard but at the same time I can understand some things, I'm not going to sit here and lie to myself because everyone else is pretty much one sided on this whole discussion.

Someone said MJ got it worst but I remember MJ on LWMJ doc saying Marlon had the toughest time with Joseph because he couldn't catch on as quickly as the others not that it was any better though.
 
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Joe’s intentions were not that altruistic or benign by a long shot. Joe saw an opportunity to get rich off his children and he took it. I have yet to see anywhere in the history of the relationship he had with his sons where he acted as a loving father toward Michael and his brothers. Gangs my a--.
 
Victory22;3593001 said:
Joe’s intentions were not that altruistic or benign by a long shot. Joe saw an opportunity to get rich off his children and he took it. I have yet to see anywhere in the history of the relationship he had with his sons where he acted as a loving father toward Michael and his brothers. Gangs my a--.
I'm speaking from my perspective and what I know. All of my thoughts are assumptions on this particular situation. I don't know what Joe intended and Im not going to act like I know what he intended as FACT either because I wasn't there.
 
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And I go by how Michael said he was treated by this brute of a father and by what eye witnesses observed of the relationship.
 
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And I go by how Michael said he was treated by this brute of a father and by what eye witnesses observed of the relationship.
Me too. What Michael said was the what of the situation and naturally I want to understand the why and purpose of children going through something like that. Michael spent his whole life trying to understand Why too. Sometimes he hated Joe and sometimes he appreciated him. I for one don't understand it as much as I would have liked to but If I want to get the whole picture, I can't stick to one side of the argument because things are clearly coming from a family of a million opinions on this subject. Why is this one saying this and the other another thing? Is it a difference in age,philosophies,experience,...ect., I don't think Michael saw his father as just a brute, he couldn't understand him because he was just so different from him but at least he tried.
 
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There was a time in my life when I thought there had to be motives other than mean, evil treats in the human race but I have learned some people are just plan mean. As hard as I have searched I still don't know why. Human Nature is all I can find.
 
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There was a time in my life when I thought there had to be motives other than mean, evil treats in the human race but I have learned some people are just plan mean. As hard as I have searched I still don't know why. Human Nature is all I can find.
Sometimes it is just human nature. We all have the potential to bring out the worst in ourselves, some of us are strong and knowledgeable enough to hold back and some aren't and there may be many factors that influence that. Some factors more so than others, deserve to be acknowledged, given the weight.
 
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But whatever got you there it is no excuse for terrorizing, traumatizing and brutalizing your own flesh and blood. MJ was a vulnerable little child who did not ask to come here and who was only looking for love from the father who is responsible for creating him.
 
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