Janet Jackson fan to part with collectibles over fur line

[Ben]

To be clear.. I dont hate nor am I against animals but I dont feel that my feelings about something should dictate someone else. If she wants to endorse fur then so what!?!?!? Its her life not mine. I still stand by what I said though... Im sure if the tables were turned the animals wouldnt care and they dont.

It has nothing to do with dictating anything to anyone. It has to do with standing against cruelty. Animals are not things. They feel pain.
And humans are the only animals killing for fashion or sport; all others only kill for food.

With that kind of thinking, nothing will ever change in this world.

 

[Angela_MJJ]

I dont think we are above nature, but what people do with animals legally is their choice and not mine our yours.
N I can state my opinion however I want to. Im not gonna sensor myself just because it goes against the majority. I will agree that it is pretty blunt though.

That's exactly my point we humans think we have the right to kill animals just to design some fancy clothes. You said it yourself "what people do with animals legally" humans say it's legal...

And yes it was pretty blunt. Another thing, you can edit your post to add something so you don't have to make a double post.

 

[Ben]

Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight - Albert Schweitzer

Wild animals never kill for sport. Man is the only one to whom the torture and death of his fellow-creatures is amusing in itself. ~James Anthony Froude

The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men. ~Alice Walker

 

[KOPV]

So many people are going to have different beliefes when it comes to this and I think its only fair to respect everyones opinion for the fact its there opinion..

When it comes to things like this, culture and environment means so much.. Unless we lived in the other persons life we cannot state there opinion is not "correct"

For those against using or eating animal products, to those who eat and don't find anything wrong with it.. There is not a RIGHT or WRONG way when it comes to this as far as a FACT stand point but a strong personal beliefe and opinion..

I have seen animals slaughter right infront of me for religious and cultural celibrations, and I have been very close to vegitarians that would be hurt by the sight..

I do eat meat, and more of it than the average person. I eat it for health and fitness reasons... At the same time I would not wear fur at the same time for my personal discomfort about it.. HOWEVER I am not in position to talk badly or say anything bad about someone that does not find it a big deal.. Culturally some places they wear fur or leather every single day. Where as some people would not touch it..

Its all about personal beliefs and we just have to respect.. That goes for Janet too, I don't think its a smart bisness move because of obvious reasons.. But if she does not find anything wrong with it, I don't think we should attack her for it..

 

[chanel05]

It has nothing to do with dictating anything to anyone. It has to do with standing against cruelty. Animals are not things. They feel pain.
And humans are the only animals killing for fashion or sport; all others only kill for food.

With that kind of thinking, nothing will ever change in this world.

Animals dont just kill for food, they kill for other reasons also. N I understand that animals have feelings but that isnt my point. There is nothing wrong with my way of thinking, its just my opinion.

That's exactly my point we humans think we have the right to kill animals just to design some fancy clothes. You said it yourself "what people do with animals legally" humans say it's legal...

And yes it was pretty blunt. Another thing, you can edit your post to add something so you don't have to make a double post.

I see where you are coming from but I still dont agree. I feel as humans we have the right to exersize what we want or do not want to do within our legal rights. I may not agree with their choice but I dont feel that someone should be penalized for exercising their free will.

I didnt know that I double posted. Im on a cell phone so it may have happened by mistake

 

[Angela_MJJ]

I see where you are coming from but I still dont agree. I feel as humans we have the right to exersize what we want or do not want to do within our legal rights. I may not agree with their choice but I dont feel that someone should be penalized for exercising their free will.

I didnt know that I double posted. Im on a cell phone so it may have happened by mistake

You did it again if you want to quote more posts you can use the "+ icon on each post you want to quote so you can answer to both quotes in one post. I merged your posts now to one post.

 

[Ashtanga]

It has nothing to do with dictating anything to anyone. It has to do with standing against cruelty. Animals are not things. They feel pain.
And humans are the only animals killing for fashion or sport; all others only kill for food.

With that kind of thinking, nothing will ever change in this world.

:agree:

 

[Rhilo]

To be clear.. I dont hate nor am I against animals but I dont feel that my feelings about something should dictate someone else. If she wants to endorse fur then so what!?!?!? Its her life not mine. I still stand by what I said though... Im sure if the tables were turned the animals wouldnt care and they dont.

Like you would know. You've never had a pet I assume. I have two dogs, and they are the most loyal friends. I find some of your statements highly insensitive and offensive.

 

[ChocolatePie777]

The issue is animals being bred for the sole purpose of being killed for their fur. Very diff to the natural food chain and the by products that come from that.most humans arent living in caves anymore and need fur to keep warm. ppl have an issue with ppl killing animals for fashion

Um we bred animals for food too...if you didnt know that

 

[strawberry45220]

like i said meat is a normal part of the food chain. the japanese eat lots of fish which makes them very healthy. not sure why the amount eaten matters we all know about the greed of the west in the amounts some ppl east. doesnt mean its not good in normal portions for the protein etc it provides.the only ppl who should be wearing furs are the eskimos ect who use it for a real purpose not just to look nice..

yes but it becomes just as uncessary when humans consume which is more benicial than dietary requirements which is why I pointed out the amount and you could certaintly eat other sources of protein just as eaily and as you pointed fish,

 

[Aquarius]

I dont think we are above nature, but what people do with animals legally is their choice and not mine our yours.
N I can state my opinion however I want to. Im not gonna sensor myself just because it goes against the majority. I will agree that it is pretty blunt though.

It's not only blunt; the way you say it sounds cruel & violent. fyi: Animals do feel pain.

 

[strawberry45220]

It has nothing to do with dictating anything to anyone. It has to do with standing against cruelty. Animals are not things. They feel pain.
And humans are the only animals killing for fashion or sport; all others only kill for food.

With that kind of thinking, nothing will ever change in this world.

animals don't only kill for food come on we all heard stories about people getting attacked because they happend to be in an animals terriorty ,

 

[strawberry45220]

Like you would know. You've never had a pet I assume. I have two dogs, and they are the most loyal friends. I find some of your statements highly insensitive and offensive.

lol you cannot seriosuly compare a wild lion , tiger or bear to a dog , and yes a lion tiger or bear would eat you in heart beat. oldest law of the jungle eat or be eaten.

 

[KOPV]

I'll say this from a health specialist.. the average person does not consume nearly enough protien a day than they supposed to.. Not even close!! There are other sources of protien and I definatly would advise everyone to get protien supplement.. The average person eats less than a quarter of what they should when it comes to protien.. Protien is the key to so much dietary success..

To comment on the point made that we are the only ones that kill animals for other reasons than food, that is not true at all.. Animals have killed for protection, leadership, For land, and even simple bullying.. Just watch the discovery channel.

 

[strawberry45220]

^ I would disagree ( well at least here in America) you hardly see people suffering from protein disorders , most people over it eat on the protein your meat serving should be the smallest portion on your plate, you only need extra protein or protein supplements if your trying to bulk up or lose weight .

 

[qbee]

The argument of how wild animals or how undomesticated animals behave is invalid and has nothign to do with
why man does or doesnt , should or shouldnt use animals for food clothing fur etc. The only reason for someone
to use that argument is just for the sake of arguing. - IMO

Of course wild animals kill for food for they kill to take over prides to protect territoy and for protection.
maybe even some for sport - What Animal do out of instinc has nothing to do with what mans does ..

 

[strawberry45220]

^ well I think it does I think people forget we our animals ourselves so are humans behaving any more differnetly than wild animals or should we be above animals.

 

[qbee]

^ well I think it does I think people forget we our animals ourselves so are humans behaving any more differnetly than wild animals or should we be above animals.

Some people do act like wild animals .. most are behind bars or should be. They are a danger to society. Im not sure what you meant by your statement ? We are no longer Neanderthals. Man has evolved and has beome civilised. We have laws and rules to live by. Animals live by natural instinc only. Man can reason beyond that. We know the difference between good and evil. Animals dont live under the same law as man becuase what they do is neither good or evil. Man was created different from the animals in that respect.

 

[KOPV]

you cannot disagree a fact.. in America A LARGE reason why a large majority are overweight is because the lack of protein in the diet.. its a FACT one that cannot be argued.. It also has to do with the large amount of people that have diabetes.. Infact America is one of the leading countries in there lack of protien... Just because we have steaks that are 80% fat does not mean we get the proper protein..

PROTIEN is the overlooked KEY to a good looking physique along with a healthy body internally..

I'm not going to give a health lecture here, I do enough of that for work... it's at large what I do.. I train athletes, and others who have let go of themselves. There is nothing to debate here..

 

[Memefan]

Janet Jackson disgusts me. What an utter failure... wasn't she the one going around with the key to MJ's animals' cage in her earring? What a disgusting human being.

I am against fur. I have given up several products because of animal testing...just appalling that MJ's sister is so desperate (money? relevancy?) that she would agree to support animal cruelty.

I am a vegetarian...but respect people's choice when it comes to eating meat. But killing an animal for their fur? BARBARIC.

We know better

 

[KOPV]

^ Wow a disgusting human being ha?

To attack someone with the way people think of meat, or fur, is just as bad as attacking someone for there religious beliefes..

Thats to me sounds the same as saying a person in disgusting fo being a christian, or jew, or muslim or whatever faith someone would be..

Many would take large offense to it, and the only reason why I wont take offense is because I know you did not mean to make anyone feel that way..

 

[strawberry45220]

Some people do act like wild animals .. most are behind bars or should be. They are a danger to societ. Im not sure what you meant by your statement ? We are no longer Neanderthals. Man has evolved and has beome civilised. We have laws and rules to live by. Animals live by natural instinc only. Man can reason beyond that.

oh didn't mean behavior wise, I am talking about we all need the same things to surive
lol okay I am getting off topic but yes even us human still have thoes basic laws of nautre to surive, food, shelter, proctectio/securuity , and reproduction , no matter how civilved we are, and kind of interesting in psychology a theory is if your basic pysiological needs are not being meet it will prevent you from acheivineing self-actuacalzation and it might cause you to act out


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs


okay getting to my point humans kill, for food, shelter , and etc to survie just like they do, , it's just all about survial but I do agree that this is off topic from the overall topic lol

 

[Angela_MJJ]

^ Wow a disgusting human being ha?

To attack someone with the way people think of meat, or fur, is just as bad as attacking someone for there religious beliefes..

Thats to me sounds the same as saying a person in disgusting fo being a christian, or jew, or muslim or whatever faith someone would be..

Many would take large offense to it, and the only reason why I wont take offense is because I know you did not mean to make anyone feel that way..

I don't see how it is the same. You don't kill anything when you are a christian...
Wearing fur is a choice not a religion you choose to wear the skin of an animal that most of the time wouldn't have had to die if it weren't for his pelt. Racoons often get felted alive!

I'm very sensitive as it comes to animals and nature. I guess I have to stop coming into this thread...

One last thing you guys say when you enter the territory of say a lion you will be eaten but turn that around what happens when a lion gets into our territory he will get a bullet.

Walks out of the thread..

 

[kindofdisco]

Janet Jackson disgusts me. What an utter failure... wasn't she the one going around with the key to MJ's animals' cage in her earring? What a disgusting human being.

I am against fur. I have given up several product because of animal testing...just appalling that MJ's sister is so desperate (money? relevancy?) that she would agree to support animal cruelty.

Actually the key was to HER dog's cage, and they were kept in cages because they were trained to be guard dogs. Literally, if you let them loose at night they'd tear the place apart. Please get your facts straight before making such a wild claim. That's how rumours start and spread.

That said, I don't agree with Janet's choice but there you go. I don't think she's a disgusting human being for it, I think her CHOICE is disgusting however. I don't understand how someone who was brought up to love animals - and always had a dog - could do something like this.

 

[Memefan]

Actually the key was to HER dog's cage, and they were kept in cages because they were trained to be guard dogs. Literally, if you let them loose at night they'd tear the place apart. Please get your facts straight before making such a wild claim. That's how rumours start and spread.

That said, I don't agree with Janet's choice but there you go. I don't think she's a disgusting human being for it, I think her CHOICE is disgusting however. I don't understand how someone who was brought up to love animals - and always had a dog - could do something like this.

What is the wild claim? That it was a dog cage instead of MJ's animal cage? If that is a WILD CLAIM... brace yourself for some more wild and outlandish claims.

I have heard her tell the story and don't recall her saying dogs...but i've only heard the story once. She might have told a different story over time.

Even if it was dog' cage ...instead of animal cage....i still think she is an hypocrite for portraying herself as an animal lover. Than willingly throw out her values/belief for a price.

Anyone who supports killing a another being just for the fun of it is disgusting to me. I am disgusted by their behaviour. Their choices. Their reasoning...you name it.

...best I leave this thread.

 

[kindofdisco]

What is the wild claim? That it was a dog cage instead of MJ's animal cage? If that is a WILD CLAIM... brace yourself for some more wild and outlandish claims.

I have heard her tell the story and don't recall her saying dogs...but i've only heard the story once. She might have told a different story over time.

Even if it was dog' cage ...instead of animal cage....i still think she is an hypocrite for portraying herself as an animal lover. Than willingly throw out her values/belief for a price.

Anyone who supports killing a another being just for the fun of it is disgusting to me. I am disgusted by their behaviour. Their choices. Their reasoning...you name it.

...best I leave this thread.

Again, it's all in the details of the story - the key was to the cage of a GUARD DOG which NEEDS to be in a cage at night time. That's just a safety thing. Jermaine tells this story in his book, and I'll post the quote here as soon as I go through it.

Edit: here's the direct quote -

(speaking about death threats on other celebrities such as the Supremes) "Maybe that was the reason behind two new additions to the household: Lobo and Heavy, the German Shepherds. Lobo snarled to such a degree that whenever a journalist visited our house he always warranted a mention in the interview. (Fans of Janet may remember she wore a key as an earring - that was for Lobo's cage because she, as the chief dog lover of the family, ended up taking care of him.)"

- page 145

So instead of going on what you've "heard" and "remembered" it'd be nice to you know, actually reference something hard like a book (such as Jermaine's where it makes mention) or a direct interview LOL.

 

[Memefan]

Again, it's all in the details of the story - the key was to the cage of a GUARD DOG which NEEDS to be in a cage at night time. That's just a safety thing. Jermaine tells this story in his book, and I'll post the quote here as soon as I go through it.

Edit: here's the direct quote -



So instead of going on what you've "heard" and "remembered" it'd be nice to you know, actually reference something hard like a book (such as Jermaine's where it makes mention) or a direct interview LOL.

I was quoting Janet herself. She did not say dog in the ABC interview.... Look up the interview for yourself. Animal cage. PERIOD.

SMDH.

The point i tried to make, if she fred enough for these animals, well enough to use their key as a memento, why the hell is she advocating animal abuse now?


And...Who cares what jermaine wrote in is book...?

 

[kindofdisco]

Oh my God....are you actually kidding me LOL. You are LAUGHABLE.

You were NOT quoting Janet. You were remembering what you heard ONCE when she told the story on some unknown date, at some unknown location. You have no proof. You have nothing. Give me the link to the interview and then I'll believe what you have to say. Show me the hard proof.

Do you know that people like you are responsible for rumours spreading? For the wrong information getting out there? Because you're so stuck up about where your information comes from that you'd rather prefer spitting out the story you heard "once" rather than the truth that's actually been PUBLISHED and PRINTED in a book.

Seriously. SERIOUSLY LOL.

 

[Memefan]

Oh my God....are you actually kidding me LOL. You are LAUGHABLE.

You were NOT quoting Janet. You were remembering what you heard ONCE when she told the story on some unknown date, at some unknown location. You have no proof. You have nothing. Give me the link to the interview and then I'll believe what you have to say. Show me the hard proof.

Do you know that people like you are responsible for rumours spreading? For the wrong information getting out there? Because you're so stuck up about where your information comes from that you'd rather prefer spitting out the story you heard "once" rather than the truth that's actually been PUBLISHED and PRINTED in a book.

Seriously. SERIOUSLY LOL.

No I am not kidding you. And why would I make this up...sheeeshhhhh. I have enough reasons to hate on Janet, I don't feel the need to make ish up.

And you are making a big deal out of this, when I specifically, said I've only heard her mention this once, she might have went further into details and mention the dogs in OTHER interviews. I do not follow Janet Jackson & have no idea if you are right or not.

But I vividly remember the interview I am referring to was done after MJ passed, where she mention wearing the animal cage key in her earring.

I go with what I heard in that interview. I don't need to read it in Jermaine's book. Jermaine is far less reliable than the worst tabloid, on certain things.

Look up the interview.


And then, tell me who's laughing now. And apologize.

 

[Memefan]

Here is a quote from the summary of the interview abcnews did.

In later years, she famously wore the key to the animal cages in all her music videos -- a memento from her youth.

I am not gonna waste my time re-watching all the clips to find the one YOU ARE DENYING EXISTENCE...so be my guest, sift through ABC's archive, you will eventually find it.

Search: Janet Jackson in their video archives. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/InTheSpot...abc-news/story?id=9101233&page=2#.TtS8KGCCx8x