Jacksons: The Next Generation [REALITY SHOW DISCUSSION ONLY]

[#MJforever57]

That still reeks of entitlement. Music/entertainment is the business that put the family on the map, but it doesn't have to be the path the next generations take, especially since it's pretty much impossible to achieve the level of success those reached that came before them. Artists that AREN'T related to Mike and Janet find it damn near impossible to reach those heights! I agree wholeheartedly with many here that commented they are relying too heavily on the "I was born a Jackson" card too much. Being afraid to fail is a weak excuse to remain stagnant, to not work, to remain living off the legacy of their relatives that came from the bottom and made it to the top.

Failure is something we all face, something we all overcome and something that is a part of life.

I agree their just need to be themselves and nobody else. I do not see 3T getting back together their heart are not in it anymore. You are so right Shelia their did not have to stared from the bottom it was already there for them.

 

[ivy]

That still reeks of entitlement. Music/entertainment is the business that put the family on the map, but it doesn't have to be the path the next generations take, especially since it's pretty much impossible to achieve the level of success those reached that came before them.

I think for the next generation the Jackson name could be both a reward and a curse or more like a double edged sword. They mentioned it during the show as well, the name brings high expectations and it's hard to live up to that. But on the other hand probably the Jackson name is opening doors to them as well. I don't know why so many Jacksons think they should have a music career and/or why they seem to shape their career based on Jacksons. Perhaps it's me but I think if they did their own thing without putting so much focus on the Jacksons name, they could be a lot more successful. Austin is a nice example to this. Plus they don't have to sing or be in a band to continue the legacy. They could be involved in other areas of music (such as song writing or producing) or other artistic endeavors (such as acting, film making etc.) and continue the legacy.

 

[#MJforever57]

That the key be yourselves.

 

[Bubs]

Mostly, the show has been a lesson of the risks and disadvantages of being born into privilege, and not having to WORK for anything. They speak of "family" as if they are the only people on earth who care about their FAMILY? Dudes! OTHER people care about their families, too. "Being born a Jackson" has been a theme, but they flatter themselves too much if they think paparazzi have much of any interest in them. That is not their PROBLEM. Their problem is lack of motivation, and not understanding that most people actually WORK for a living. So yeah, these are really nice guys who never quite grew up?

Here is their problem, this is from the link Ivy posted:
"It’s important to me that the kids wait in line at Starbucks. I don’t want them thinking they’re better than anyone else or are too good for anything. Some may argue that ‘your uncle and dad worked so hard for you guys to have this enjoyment,’ but there is an incredible value in living a normal, calming life. That way, too, excesses are appreciated."

Where the heck TJ got that bolded bit? It cannot be further from the truth, and hope he doesn't teach PPB that kind of thinking. What does it mean anyway?

I don't know if TJ is aware of, but he is totally living off that what he speaks against. There isn't single interview that Jackson name or uncle Michael isn't mentioned, and many many times. He is totally believing his own hype that he is Jackson and Michael was their uncle, thus trying to create a hype around him off what other people have achieved.

In the same article he says this:
"I have to deal with handling something very private (parenting) in a very public space. I used to be incredibly protective of that because of the paparazzi, but you can’t do that too much because you also don’t want your kids to grow up abnormal. So, sometimes we’ll go to a restaurant and ask for the top floor so we can be completely ourselves and uninterrupted, but most of the time we’ll sit next to other families. I prefer to do it that way. Same thing at the airport: Sometimes we fly Southwest with cousins or we’ll go first class on American with a guide meeting us out front and getting us to the lounge. And I want my kids to have both experiences."

There is no paps chasing TJ or his kids, only PPB. Without PPB, he and his own family can go to restaurants without reserving the whole top floor. That airport thingy made me lol, TJ considers himself as VIP. Luckily, being around PPB, TJ's kids can have all that experience, because without PPB/ their money, TJ own kids would not need/have to have those experiences

 

[Bubs]

She's certainly different from Alejandra Jackson. They had to pry her out of Mrs. Jacksons house. But I do understand where Frances is coming from. Even in a mansion, there is absolutely nothing like your "own". In time though, she may feel it is her home. Although with MJ's children aging, they really shouldn't need to be there a long time.

Having 4 underage kids to put through the school and collage, I'm sure the money they save is coming handy and she can put up with it few more years. Who knows if she ends up like Alejandra, never wanting to move away
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About Tarry and Breana
They way Breana is protesting things in her twitter makes me believe that the issues between her and Tarryl are for the show. There has to be some sort of controversy and some arguments to make show feel "real", so Breana fits the bill.
breanacabral ?@iambreanacabral Nov 6
People shouldn't speak or have an opinion when they don't know the entire truth #JacksonsNextGen


They gave right for people to have an opinion of them, or speak about them, when they signed to this reality show.

 

[LastTear]

She's certainly different from Alejandra Jackson. They had to pry her out of Mrs. Jacksons house. But I do understand where Frances is coming from. Even in a mansion, there is absolutely nothing like your "own". In time though, she may feel it is her home. Although with MJ's children aging, they really shouldn't need to be there a long time.



I sure hope it's just an act...that woman is like a spoiled brat. If not an act...the last thing these two need to do is get married. For their boys sake, they should go their separate ways and make happy homes for their boys with other partners. Although I think Breanna has some major issues and will never be completely happy with anyone.

Yes, Alejandra clearly liked being at Havenhurst Lol, perhaps she had designs to have a third attempt to keep KJ as her mother in law. By the by, I noticed she attended Taj's wedding, so they must all be close.... Unless she never left of course! Lol

As for Breanna, I think if it was Taryll who had taken guardianship she would have moved into Calabassas before you could say 'Jackson'. She comes across as spoilt and with a huge sense of self entitlement. It's horrible how she puts him down but I do agree that I think she has issues and probably pretends to be this woman of steel when in fact inside she isn't.

On on reflection I would probably feel the same way as Frances, I like my own space and would hate to live in another's house. But Calabassas is huge and my even have its own guest house but if not it's still plenty big enough to have your own 'wing' as I believe Katherine does. She is not the first wife to move out of an area because it's of benefit to the whole family, I and many other have had to do it for husbands career opportunities.


What I'm getting from the whole 3T issue is that only one of them has their heart in it and that's Taryll, and have considered whether they have gone along with the latest music because he wants to and perhaps he needs the revenue more than the others. I may be wrong but I haven't really felt commitment especially when you consider that as soon as the album was finished they all separated.

 

[Autumn II]

I find it odd that people think that TJ or his brothers should refrain from using the family legacy to their advantage, but at the same time it's fine for PPB to live off their fathers money and use the fact that they're his children to create opportunities and open doors for themselves in the industry.

WHAT doors? The only one who has done anything in entertainment is Paris, with a film that is yet to materialize. Prince is going to college --an opportunity Michael didn't have due to extreme celebrity at an early age. Blanket keeps very private, and if he wants to be a child-star there is no trace of that, whatsoever. If they choose to go into the entertainment industry, of course they'd have an advantage at the outset, but then would be evaluated on their merit like everyone else. If they want to become doctors, lawyers, or astronomers, their work would be judged on merit, just like everyone else, and they'd have to WORK for it, just like everyone else (i.e. grades in college, professional achievements, etc.)

We have yet to see what PPB will do as they get older, but already they have had opportunities afforded to them solely based on who their father was and they live a life of luxury due to their fathers wealth (how many other 18 year olds drive a Mercedes sports car??).

For these kids it's VERY double-edged. Their father was arguably the MOST famous person on the planet, and the most recognizable. PPB are pursued by paparazzi just because of who their father was, not because they have taken any advantage in the entertainment industry, whatsoever. There are other wealthy kids in L.A., but none so constrained in their lives as these three are. Yeah, some of those DO drive a Mercedes sports car, but ALL have more freedom than Michael's kids do in terms of privacy and paparazzi.

Why should 3T not use the fact that they're Jacksons to their advantage? They'd be stupid not to. At the end of the day, MJ's kids have done no more to earn these luxuries than 3T have. You can't have one rule for MJ's kids and another rule for the other Jacksons. PPB are no more deserving of favours than anyone else in the Jackson family and it is just by accident of birth that they were fortunate enough to have inherited such a large fortune, as well as a mis-guided public interest in them based solely on being MJ's kids.

3-T have been SQUANDERING the advantages they have for belonging to a well-known family. The door has been open, but they don't seem to know how to walk through it, i.e. new music and performing. The reality is, PPB "inherited a large fortune," and 3-T did not, and were not in Michael's will. That's how the cookie crumbles? Prince is on the brink of leaving for college, and generally keeps a low profile and has done NOTHING in the entertainment industry, to date. Which is as it should be for a healthy life? Paris apparently made a B-movie, but it hasn't been released yet? Blanket is very private, which is good. Michael wanted his kids to BE kids, as he often said. The difference is, due to Michael's extreme celebrity there is public interest in his kids, while there really is NOT for 3-T -- and they don't seem to realize that they can go wherever they want, and must stand in line, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

What does irk me is 3-T seeming to think they have problems with celebrity-hounds and paparazzi, when they do NOT, and I see no reason why they should do anything ELSE but stand at the back of the line at Starbucks, like everyone else. Michael could not stand at the back of the line and rarely flew on commercial planes because he was SO famous, just his presence (in a Starbucks or airport) was disruptive. This is very much NOT the case with 3-T, and they can go and do what they like, uninterrupted. Michael's fame did NOT rub off on them, and they seem to think that it did?

I see nothing wrong with their using their "privilege" of a recognizable name, except that they DON'T.

 

[ivy]

In my opinion TJ and Frances scarified a lot. TJ used to drive back and forth spending hours just commuting. That would have taken him away from his family and probably be really tiring. I think it is a good thing that they are now closer to PPB. I feel especially Paris would really benefit from a strong and close parental supervision and guidance. Her instagram shows the positive effect TJ and Frances has on her life. Although they might be living in a mansion now, not having their own independence and being a visitor in someone else's home probably isn't the most desirable situation for them. They showed how their stuff even clothing are in storage. so that's a sacrifice in my book. As I mentioned before TJ didn't have to do any of this so he and his wife is quite impressive in that regard.

 

[Autumn II]

^^ To me, by far, TJ and Frances are the most impressive, and are making a positive difference in Michael's kids' lives.

 

[#MJforever57]

Here is their problem, this is from the link Ivy posted:
"It’s important to me that the kids wait in line at Starbucks. I don’t want them thinking they’re better than anyone else or are too good for anything. Some may argue that ‘your uncle and dad worked so hard for you guys to have this enjoyment,’ but there is an incredible value in living a normal, calming life. That way, too, excesses are appreciated."

Where the heck TJ got that bolded bit? It cannot be further from the truth, and hope he doesn't teach PPB that kind of thinking. What does it mean anyway?

I don't know if TJ is aware of, but he is totally living off that what he speaks against. There isn't single interview that Jackson name or uncle Michael isn't mentioned, and many many times. He is totally believing his own hype that he is Jackson and Michael was their uncle, thus trying to create a hype around him off what other people have achieved.

In the same article he says this:
"I have to deal with handling something very private (parenting) in a very public space. I used to be incredibly protective of that because of the paparazzi, but you can’t do that too much because you also don’t want your kids to grow up abnormal. So, sometimes we’ll go to a restaurant and ask for the top floor so we can be completely ourselves and uninterrupted, but most of the time we’ll sit next to other families. I prefer to do it that way. Same thing at the airport: Sometimes we fly Southwest with cousins or we’ll go first class on American with a guide meeting us out front and getting us to the lounge. And I want my kids to have both experiences."

There is no paps chasing TJ or his kids, only PPB. Without PPB, he and his own family can go to restaurants without reserving the whole top floor. That airport thingy made me lol, TJ considers himself as VIP. Luckily, being around PPB, TJ's kids can have all that experience, because without PPB/ their money, TJ own kids would not need/have to have those experiences

Bubs i just love your posts you come right to the point you do not sugar coat it love that in you. I agree with your post 100%.

 

[Lynn88]

"That's how the cookie crumbles? Prince is on the brink of leaving for college, and generally keeps a low profile and has done NOTHING in the entertainment industry, to date."

Actually Prince is in college now and he has done stuff in the entertainment industry. He appeared on an episode of 90210 and was on Entertainment tonight for a few episodes talking about it. He has also made appearances on the red carpet for various events with whatever girlfriend he had at the time with no other family members there (at least on camera).

 

[Autumn II]

"That's how the cookie crumbles? Prince is on the brink of leaving for college, and generally keeps a low profile and has done NOTHING in the entertainment industry, to date."

Actually Prince is in college now and he has done stuff in the entertainment industry. He appeared on an episode of 90210 and was on Entertainment tonight for a few episodes talking about it. He has also made appearances on the red carpet for various events with whatever girlfriend he had at the time with no other family members there (at least on camera).

In this thread, and on the show, Prince is seen on the brink of going to college, i.e. TJ's advice to him on camera.

It remains to be seen if he will choose a show-business career, or something else -- in part influenced by his experiences at college, where he will have a lot of freedom to explore.

An appearance on the red carpet, or on a talk-show, are due to his celebrity as Michael's son, not achievements in the entertainment industry. I'm really hoping that whatever these kids do, it's not like the Kardashians who are "famous for being famous." These kids have a world of opportunities before them, and I hope they wind up doing something they love, whatever that may be.

 

[#MJforever57]

That right Michael told his kids to be the best you can be whatever you decide to be good teaching from their father.

 

[LastTear]

In my opinion TJ and Frances scarified a lot. TJ used to drive back and forth spending hours just commuting. That would have taken him away from his family and probably be really tiring. I think it is a good thing that they are now closer to PPB. I feel especially Paris would really benefit from a strong and close parental supervision and guidance. Her instagram shows the positive effect TJ and Frances has on her life. Although they might be living in a mansion now, not having their own independence and being a visitor in someone else's home probably isn't the most desirable situation for them. They showed how their stuff even clothing are in storage. so that's a sacrifice in my book. As I mentioned before TJ didn't have to do any of this so he and his wife is quite impressive in that regard.

It may very well be a sacrifice however that sacrifice does come with a good deal of financial compensation so it's not all one sided and everybody one way or another has benefitted from this move, so that's a good thing. I don't have any issue with the financial benefits to them as I really do feel PPB have certainly benefitted from TJ and Frances moving in - and you can't put a price on their emotional wellbeing.

I agree that TJ didn't have to do this and I am very pleased that he did as I'm not sure what would have happened if he hadn't.

Why put clothing in storage in the first place though? I understand furniture, which they can now put in the new house they are going to buy so perhaps this will resolve that issue. It is a bit of a contradiction though, move to Calabassas because TJ is away from his own family then to buy a house in Corona so Frances can spend weekends there.... But that really is none of my business! Lol

 

[elusive moonwalker]

and he has done stuff in the entertainment industry. He appeared on an episode of 90210 and was on Entertainment tonight for a few episodes talking about it.
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At latoyas behest.

Most if not all events the kids have been involved in where p.r for other family members business deals.

T's don't seem to get that they aren't famous.the only time they get pictured by paps is when they are with mjs kids.Same with any other cousins that go out with them. They can go shopping act like normal ppl etc. But it seems to be part of the second generations upbringing that they are famous and either cant work because of it or dont need to work because of what their father/uncles did and can live off their money. They seem to use who they are as an excuse.when infact other than who they are related to they are no different than joe bloggs down the street as if they went for a job interview or walked down the street 99% of ppl would not know who they were related to unless they made it known. Not talking about the t.'s as they have actually done something back in the day but imo it is a second generation upbringing that makes many think that they should either be celebs because of who they are or they can't work normal jobs because they are famous even though they aren't. Laziness or arrogance I don't know. take your pick

 

[Bringing Brighter Days]

and he has done stuff in the entertainment industry. He appeared on an episode of 90210 and was on Entertainment tonight for a few episodes talking about it.
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At latoyas behest.

Most if not all events the kids have been involved in where p.r for other family members business deals.

T's don't seem to get that they aren't famous.the only time they get pictured by paps is when they are with mjs kids.Same with any other cousins that go out with them. They can go shopping act like normal ppl etc. But it seems to be part of the second generations upbringing that they are famous and either cant work because of it or dont need to work because of what their father/uncles did and can live off their money. They seem to use who they are as an excuse.when infact other than who they are related to they are no different than joe bloggs down the street as if they went for a job interview or walked down the street 99% of ppl would not know who they were related to unless they made it known. Not talking about the t.'s as they have actually done something back in the day but imo it is a second generation upbringing that makes many think that they should either be celebs because of who they are or they can't work normal jobs because they are famous even though they aren't. Laziness or arrogance I don't know. take your pick

no difference than any other public figure who have had children, being pressure to try and be as successful as their parents

 

[Lil]

The performance was quite good. I'm wondering what kind of venue that was, though, because their set was only about 30 minutes (not a two-hour show as one might expect for headliners). I did enjoy it, but on a second watching I thought that they didn't do much of anything with choreography and could have/should have, especially when performing Jacksons songs, which were high-octane choreography originally. Their vocals/harmony are quite good, but they seem to lack enthusiasm? What I really wanted to see was new material. THEIR new material.

It's a festival organized by a Dutch radio station. I didn't even know of its existence lol, but it's basically a party dedicated to 'guilty pleasures' :laugh:.. so that's why they only played for 30mins & didn't perform any new songs. I didn't expect them to do so much of the Jacksons'/Michael's music (almost kinda offended lmao, how are RWY & HN even guilty pleasures?!) but I agree, they could've done more with choreo & could've given it a bit more energy in general. Still, I thought they did an okay performance.. I like Taryll's voice but they were all pretty good.

And like everyone else is saying - I really hope Taryll's girlfriend isn't like that irl, if she was I'd have been long gone if I were him :bugeyed

 

[elusive moonwalker]

no difference than any other public figure who have had children, being pressure to try and be as successful as their parents

Then maybe the parents should tell them there is no expectance that they should go into showbiz. or raise them with the complex many seem to have .Especially when some of the second generation show no talent yet think they should be in the biz because of who family are. Very few seem to have looked to going to college and creating careers for themselves outside of being jacksons.

 

[SheilaMJFan4Ever]

I find it odd that people think that TJ or his brothers should refrain from using the family legacy to their advantage, but at the same time it's fine for PPB to live off their fathers money and use the fact that they're his children to create opportunities and open doors for themselves in the industry.

We have yet to see what PPB will do as they get older, but already they have had opportunities afforded to them solely based on who their father was and they live a life of luxury due to their fathers wealth (how many other 18 year olds drive a Mercedes sports car??).

Why should 3T not use the fact that they're Jacksons to their advantage? They'd be stupid not to. At the end of the day, MJ's kids have done no more to earn these luxuries than 3T have. You can't have one rule for MJ's kids and another rule for the other Jacksons. PPB are no more deserving of favours than anyone else in the Jackson family and it is just by accident of birth that they were fortunate enough to have inherited such a large fortune, as well as a mis-guided public interest in them based solely on being MJ's kids.

:bow: My guess? The "difference" is Mike's kids aren't held to that same standard by some fans due to them simply being his kids. Hypocrisy at its finest! I view ALL 'famous for nothing' relatives of celebrities/politicians/athletes the same. Whether it's Tito's kids or Mike's kids or Trump's kids, etc... make your OWN way or stop faking the funk about being trust fund babies.

 

[Soundmind]

In my opinion TJ and Frances scarified a lot. TJ used to drive back and forth spending hours just commuting. That would have taken him away from his family and probably be really tiring. I think it is a good thing that they are now closer to PPB. I feel especially Paris would really benefit from a strong and close parental supervision and guidance. Her instagram shows the positive effect TJ and Frances has on her life. Although they might be living in a mansion now, not having their own independence and being a visitor in someone else's home probably isn't the most desirable situation for them. They showed how their stuff even clothing are in storage. so that's a sacrifice in my book. As I mentioned before TJ didn't have to do any of this so he and his wife is quite impressive in that regard.

Excuse me. How much does he make for being a guardian? A "sacrifice"!! It is once in a life time opportunity what happened to him and his wife. Being a guardian to kids who have EVERYTHING; Blanket has his own nanny for God's sake. Besides collecting his monthly check and having a "chat" with the kids every now and then, what efforts does he really do? Those are not babies, he nor his wife are looking after them the way a guardian under normal circumstances is expected to do. They are only guardian on paper. He is getting a crazy salary without even "working". He had time to go back to school. He seems to have abandoned the idea of going on the road because he believes he is "secured" financially. To say he and his wife have sacrificed anything is really mindbogglingly. Imagine the long tiring hours he would have to work in a regular job for the salary he is making now, how little of a time he would have been able to spend with his family if he was working really like everyone else. Provided, of course, that there is anyone out there willing to pay for TJ's best of services and efforts half the salary the estate is paying him now for doing almost nothing.

How about saving all the money he is getting as a salary and taking full advantage of the fact that the estate is paying all the bills at the kids' mansion. A "sacrifice" indeed.

 

[Autumn II]

I see the family as a pyramid, with Michael at the apex (even now). The next tier is the brothers, and Janet. Janet has made her own way, especially as an actress, but apparently she never supported the rest of the family the way Michael did. The brothers' music careers dwindled after the Jacksons, and Michael rose to superstardom with his own massive career. The next tier are the "privileged" ones -- all those cousins -- who seem to think that being Jacksons is, in itself, an accomplishment. In truth, their standards of living that they've come to expect come from MICHAEL'S money filtering down through Katherine. It's similar to when Michael was alive -- it flows through her hands, and now the large salary TJ makes (see Soundmind's post, above). Katherine is not young, and it's pretty likely that when she passes, all hell will break loose in the family.

In terms of the reality show? I'm sure unintentionally, but the show drove this home -- how there is a sense of entitlement going on, and a lack of "reality" that most people MUST work for a living. These are pleasant people, and seem kind, but clueless, really.

 

[Tygger]

I enjoyed the season. I hope it would be renewed however; I enjoyed the reality show with Michael's brothers and they declined a second season. Tito's sons may do the same.

 

[ivy]

Excuse me. How much does he make for being a guardian? A "sacrifice"!! It is once in a life time opportunity what happened to him and his wife. Being a guardian to kids who have EVERYTHING; Blanket has his own nanny for God's sake. Besides collecting his monthly check and having a "chat" with the kids every now and then, what efforts does he really do? Those are not babies, he nor his wife are looking after them the way a guardian under normal circumstances is expected to do. They are only guardian on paper. He is getting a crazy salary without even "working". He had time to go back to school. He seems to have abandoned the idea of going on the road because he believes he is "secured" financially. To say he and his wife have sacrificed anything is really mindbogglingly. Imagine the long tiring hours he would have to work in a regular job for the salary he is making now, how little of a time he would have been able to spend with his family if he was working really like everyone else. Provided, of course, that there is anyone out there willing to pay for TJ's best of services and efforts half the salary the estate is paying him now for doing almost nothing.

How about saving all the money he is getting as a salary and taking full advantage of the fact that the estate is paying all the bills at the kids' mansion. A "sacrifice" indeed.

Everything isn't based on money or could be measured by money though. Here you have a guy that has his own family, his own kids and was under no obligation to take care of MJ's kids. He was acting as a non official guardian before any payment or moving to the mansion. He was driving 80 miles/2 hours each way to "chat" with the kids. that's 4 hours taken away from his life and his kids. Plus given what Paris has experienced and based on everything she wrote on her recently public Instagram, I strongly believe she needs close parental guidance and supervision. This cannot be achieved by nannies or even Katherine who is too old for such stuff IMO. I believe TJ and Frances is providing Paris a lot needed stability and sense of family, which cannot be valued at any money amount or seen as being a guardian "on paper only". I don't know how you grew up but the claim of kids doesn't need a guardian because they are old enough now doesn't make any sense to me.

Furthermore I think TJ is one of the last person to be accused of being unemployed therefore motivated by money. Not only his wife has a gym , TJ is also a realtor. Realtors charge around 3% fee. Given he seems to be only selling luxury estates and multi million dollar prices, he can easily earn what Estate paying him annually at a single house sale.

I agree that there are certainly perks of living at an all expenses paid mansion but living like nomads at someone else's house isn't really that desirable either. Trust me I know it from experience. So I can related to what Frances was complaining about.

so in short, whatever money Estate is paying to TJ is well worth it in my opinion given how crucial he has been to Paris's mental health. Stepping in when he wasn't obligated to do so makes him deserve major props from me. Putting his uncle's kids equally important to his own family makes him get another props from me. So it is my opinion that TJ and his wife is quite impressive.

And I think you would agree with me. If this was an "on the paper only" guardianship with occasional "chats with the kids" and came with money and perks, why didn't other Jacksons lined up to do it?

 

[krikzil]

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In this thread, and on the show, Prince is seen on the brink of going to college, i.e. TJ's advice to him on camera.

It remains to be seen if he will choose a show-business career, or something else -- in part influenced by his experiences at college, where he will have a lot of freedom to explore.

An appearance on the red carpet, or on a talk-show, are due to his celebrity as Michael's son, not achievements in the entertainment industry. I'm really hoping that whatever these kids do, it's not like the Kardashians who are "famous for being famous." These kids have a world of opportunities before them, and I hope they wind up doing something they love, whatever that may be.

I think it's a positive sign that Prince is going to film school. He's wiling to learn his craft. Given his last name, he could easily just skip all steps and start making movies cause someone would pony up the $$ just to be part of the whole MJ thing. I hope Paris goes to college and has all those experiences too. These kids are enormously wealthy but boy do they have a lot of baggage to contend with in adulthood.

 

[Bubs]

I find it odd that people think that TJ or his brothers should refrain from using the family legacy to their advantage, but at the same time it's fine for PPB to live off their fathers money and use the fact that they're his children to create opportunities and open doors for themselves in the industry.

We have yet to see what PPB will do as they get older, but already they have had opportunities afforded to them solely based on who their father was and they live a life of luxury due to their fathers wealth (how many other 18 year olds drive a Mercedes sports car??).

Why should 3T not use the fact that they're Jacksons to their advantage? They'd be stupid not to. At the end of the day, MJ's kids have done no more to earn these luxuries than 3T have. You can't have one rule for MJ's kids and another rule for the other Jacksons. PPB are no more deserving of favours than anyone else in the Jackson family and it is just by accident of birth that they were fortunate enough to have inherited such a large fortune, as well as a mis-guided public interest in them based solely on being MJ's kids.

PPB living off their fathers money is no different than your kids living off your money when you pass away (or even when you are alive)


PPB did not seek and I doubt they even wanted those opportunities you talking about. They were pushed and used to promote other fam members stuff, so they don't actually qualify to be regarded as opportunists. Ever since their father passed away, certain fam members have pushed PPB to the limelight because it has helped their own projects, thus your disdain is directed at wrong direction. PPB has not created artificial interest on themselves based on who their father is, that is someone elses doing.

I'm yet to see 1 project that PPB has done on their own and how they use MJ connection for their benefit, until then I don't accuse them for something they haven't done yet.

 

[Bubs]

Then maybe the parents should tell them there is no expectance that they should go into showbiz. or raise them with the complex many seem to have .Especially when some of the second generation show no talent yet think they should be in the biz because of who family are. Very few seem to have looked to going to college and creating careers for themselves outside of being jacksons.

Too many of Jac family lives in this artificial bubble of "famous being Jackson or Michael Jackson's cousin, niece, uncle.............".

One can only hope that at least some of them is familiar with values Bill and his wife's are teaching their children and take a leaf out of their book:
Bill Gates, the world's richest man, has said that his children could not expect to inherit the vast majority of his estimated $76bn fortune.
“They won’t have anything like that. They need to have a sense that their own work is meaningful and important,” he has been quoted as saying.
“You’ve got to make sure they have a sense of their own ability and what they’re going to go and do.”

 

[LastTear]

I don't have any issue with any Jackson wanting to be in entertainment and it doesn't surprise me that many do as it's quite normal for members of the same family to drift towards the same kinds of employment - but if that doesn't work out then they should stand on their own two feet and not expect to be provided for by another source, there is no automatic entitlement. As for using Michael, well, that's just what happens, and let's be honest, the only reason people are still interested in them is because of Michael - and that interest was renewed sadly because he died. It's just how it is and isn't exclusive to the Jacksons. Do I sometimes resent that new interest in them? Yeah sometimes, it depends which member that interest is directed at, ie anyone who wasn't loyal to Michael in his lifetime - that irks me.

 

[Autumn II]

Too many of Jac family lives in this artificial bubble of "famous being Jackson or Michael Jackson's cousin, niece, uncle.............".

One can only hope that at least some of them is familiar with values Bill and his wife's are teaching their children and take a leaf out of their book:
Bill Gates, the world's richest man, has said that his children could not expect to inherit the vast majority of his estimated $76bn fortune.
“They won’t have anything like that. They need to have a sense that their own work is meaningful and important,” he has been quoted as saying.
“You’ve got to make sure they have a sense of their own ability and what they’re going to go and do.”

It must be extremely difficult for a wealthy celebrity to raise a balanced child who has a sense of a work-ethic, and social responsibility. I think Michael did REALLY well during the time he had with his kids. The rest of the family -- not that much, with their kids. At best, entitlement can be coupled with responsibility to GIVE BACK in various ways. Take the kids to volunteer -- soup kitchens, and other places where there is need, to get a sense of how privileged they really are, through an accident of birth. For rich kids, GIVING BACK should be really important. It's also important for a parent to let go of their expectations for a child, but let them GO enough to find their own passions in life. I think the whole "legacy" narrative did the cousins and their kids no favors. (edit) I'll add that I think it's really good that 3-T started a charitable foundation; their kids can learn from that, as well.

 

[Bubs]

It must be extremely difficult for a wealthy celebrity to raise a balanced child who has a sense of a work-ethic, and social responsibility. I think Michael did REALLY well during the time he had with his kids. The rest of the family -- not that much, with their kids. At best, entitlement can be coupled with responsibility to GIVE BACK in various ways. Take the kids to volunteer -- soup kitchens, and other places where there is need, to get a sense of how privileged they really are, through an accident of birth. For rich kids, GIVING BACK should be really important. It's also important for a parent to let go of their expectations for a child, but let them GO enough to find their own passions in life. I think the whole "legacy" narrative did the cousins and their kids no favors.

That Bill Gates stuff came from the article of many celebs who are making their kids to work for their own good:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...Sting-my-children-wont-inherit-my-wealth.html

It is really admirable what they do and teach to their kids. Not to mention of that they teach their kids that their parents have earned their fame and fortune, and if kids wants the same, they have to work for it.

Of all the accounts I have read about Michael's parenting, I think he did great job and no doubt he would have continued to teach them with the similar values as BG.

I honestly don't know or understand what they mean by that "legacy" stuff and how it works in practical level:scratch:
So far I have seen them talking uncle Michael this and that, uncle Michael this........bla bla bla.............is that what they mean by keeping up the legacy?

 

[LastTear]

I do agree the word or phrase legacy was a touch overused, for once I happen to agree with Joe.

@Joe5Jackson: People ask me all the time who will carry on Michael's legacy. There is only one Michael, but his children are precious. I love each one.