Maria MJ
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This was only reported by TMZ.No mainstream media ever confirmed it.
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This was only reported by TMZ.No mainstream media ever confirmed it.
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What???
you might want to read the will again. He says except otherwise mentioned in this will or the trust he intentionally omits to provide for his heirs.
The children , his mother and the charity are mentioned in the trust.
The will says that he does not want to provide/give money to any people related to him that is not mentioned on the will or trust. It does not mention anything about if/ who inherits when, those are written in the trust which is private.
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Thanks Ivy for your detailed response on page 3 
I agree with what you say.
I agree with what you say.MJ#1WhoIsIt
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Wow, this is so OverWhelming ! ! !
It was stated months ago "this JUDGE bank accounts should be looked into by the FEDs for the pervious 5 years until now and beyond". But when you are working with Crooks with hidden Off-Shore Accounts who needs American Banks or Accounts in "their own NAMES". I say he should be removed he did the samething when he presided over Anna Nicole Smith's Estate.
Isnt that Special "Until 18" .
"Wow Look how Special this Clause is: Everything stills goes back to the Greedy not the Needy; yea Im really sure this is the way Michael Jackson DID-NOT write this Crap. These Genius already counted Mrs. Katherine Jackson to be DEAD before the children turn 18, which at the rate they are falling down she will out live them ALL.
No Law against it all especially when you have made "YOURSELVES EXECUTORS" and everything belongs to you anyway, this Estate will be down to $1,000 a month for each child by 18 if they dont try to run them off the PCH first. People Murdered Daddy why should anyone believe they want be back for the children with a Will thats got Murder written all over it.
PRIVATE being the Keyword, now that in itself would explain Why Michael Jackson didnt write this or have nothing to do with this "Magic Will".
Yea you would think Old Bracna would have delivered a copy when he stepped in with his Magic Will; I mean the two do go together but I guess "HIS TRUST" is still being EDITED and MODIFIED to fit Court Rulings and Where else can I HIDE ALL THIS MONEY because Katherine sure havnt gotten a copy to date.
Seriously I bet there is not one person that would put their Life or their child's Life on the Line to say "I KNOW MICHAEL JACKSON WROTE THIS WILL that DISINHERITES HIS OWN CHILDREN, FATHER, MOTHER, SISTERS and BROTHERS". What these Children get now are Pennies compared to what this Estate is Getting and what they would have gotten in their Trust.
and so do I.
[Yes, Yes, Yes. By Any Means Necessary.
Really Sad Isnt It ? Seriously WHO would belive Michael would have wrote this TRADGEDY, if he didnt want to trust his dad and family (which I belived he Totally did) he would have left Barry Gordy and Quincy Jones before he would have put these two sharks on a Will.
Good thing this is not The Stockmarket "it would be called Insider Trading.
I believe The Family KNOWS there are more than "1" person Responsible for Michael's Homicide.Yes why would these Executors Block what their own Will is sworn into A Court of Law to Protect not Destroy, this is normally what Family Blocks like Teresa Earndhart did when she sue for Dale's Privacy.
I say BINGO again and JACKPOT !
It was stated months ago "this JUDGE bank accounts should be looked into by the FEDs for the pervious 5 years until now and beyond". But when you are working with Crooks with hidden Off-Shore Accounts who needs American Banks or Accounts in "their own NAMES". I say he should be removed he did the samething when he presided over Anna Nicole Smith's Estate.
Isnt that Special "Until 18" .
"Wow Look how Special this Clause is: Everything stills goes back to the Greedy not the Needy; yea Im really sure this is the way Michael Jackson DID-NOT write this Crap. These Genius already counted Mrs. Katherine Jackson to be DEAD before the children turn 18, which at the rate they are falling down she will out live them ALL.
No Law against it all especially when you have made "YOURSELVES EXECUTORS" and everything belongs to you anyway, this Estate will be down to $1,000 a month for each child by 18 if they dont try to run them off the PCH first. People Murdered Daddy why should anyone believe they want be back for the children with a Will thats got Murder written all over it.
PRIVATE being the Keyword, now that in itself would explain Why Michael Jackson didnt write this or have nothing to do with this "Magic Will".
Yea you would think Old Bracna would have delivered a copy when he stepped in with his Magic Will; I mean the two do go together but I guess "HIS TRUST" is still being EDITED and MODIFIED to fit Court Rulings and Where else can I HIDE ALL THIS MONEY because Katherine sure havnt gotten a copy to date.
Seriously I bet there is not one person that would put their Life or their child's Life on the Line to say "I KNOW MICHAEL JACKSON WROTE THIS WILL that DISINHERITES HIS OWN CHILDREN, FATHER, MOTHER, SISTERS and BROTHERS". What these Children get now are Pennies compared to what this Estate is Getting and what they would have gotten in their Trust.
and so do I.
[Yes, Yes, Yes. By Any Means Necessary.
Really Sad Isnt It ? Seriously WHO would belive Michael would have wrote this TRADGEDY, if he didnt want to trust his dad and family (which I belived he Totally did) he would have left Barry Gordy and Quincy Jones before he would have put these two sharks on a Will.
Good thing this is not The Stockmarket "it would be called Insider Trading.
I believe The Family KNOWS there are more than "1" person Responsible for Michael's Homicide.Yes why would these Executors Block what their own Will is sworn into A Court of Law to Protect not Destroy, this is normally what Family Blocks like Teresa Earndhart did when she sue for Dale's Privacy.
I say BINGO again and JACKPOT !
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Joe Jackson is trying to force UCLA to hand over all of their medical records on Michael Jackson -- because daddy is looking to sue whoever is responsible for killing his son ... according to documents obtained by TMZ.
TMZ has obtained documents that Joe filed today in L.A. County Superior Court -- in which he claims, "The UCLA records will permit [Joe] to determine with medical experts and then present to this court, how much support [Joe] needs to pay for the prosecution of his wrongful death action against those responsible for his son's death."
Michael was transported to UCLA on June 25, 2009 -- where he was pronounced dead on arrival.
Joe says in the documents that Michael was already dead when he arrived at UCLA so there is no physician-patient privilege for a dead man.
Joe Jackson filed the papers in the Michael Jackson estate case -- responding to the Estate's opposition to Joe's motion for Michael's medical records. Joe claims the estate has refused to file a wrongful death lawsuit on his behalf and it is costing him money.
According to his legal docs, Joe thinks the medical records will show what really happened to Michael, and that will help Joe determine how much he'd be able to collect from those responsible for Michael's death.
TMZ has obtained documents that Joe filed today in L.A. County Superior Court -- in which he claims, "The UCLA records will permit [Joe] to determine with medical experts and then present to this court, how much support [Joe] needs to pay for the prosecution of his wrongful death action against those responsible for his son's death."
Michael was transported to UCLA on June 25, 2009 -- where he was pronounced dead on arrival.
Joe says in the documents that Michael was already dead when he arrived at UCLA so there is no physician-patient privilege for a dead man.
Joe Jackson filed the papers in the Michael Jackson estate case -- responding to the Estate's opposition to Joe's motion for Michael's medical records. Joe claims the estate has refused to file a wrongful death lawsuit on his behalf and it is costing him money.
According to his legal docs, Joe thinks the medical records will show what really happened to Michael, and that will help Joe determine how much he'd be able to collect from those responsible for Michael's death.
And you live with Katherine?
Below is the link for the will document that the executors have filed with the court. The additional pages includes information about the beneficiaries mentioned in the trust and the people that received notification about the trust.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0701091mjwill6.html
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0701091mjwill7.html
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0701091mjwill8.html
We can see that Katherine, Prince, Paris, Blanket and Attorney General's Office (as they represent the charities) are listed as beneficiaries of MJ Family Trust and given notifications.
Furthermore Levon, Elijah, Anthony, Taj, Tarrylle and T.J. Jackson is listed as contingent reminder beneficiaries of MJ Family Trust and once again given notice as well.
As you can see yes the trust is private from the public but it is not kept secret from the beneficiaries of MJ. They are very well aware that they are listed in the trust as beneficiaries and will be getting some sort of money/share etc from it.
this also goes againts your theory of "evil Branca and Co is trying to edit and modify the trust so that they can leave the beneficiaries penniless and get all the money to themselves". If they were trying to form an alternative trust and give no money to Michael's beneficiaries and keep/steal the money for themselves
1)why would they stop to include Tito's sons and 3 other relatives as beneficiaries in the "fake" trust according to you (and give them money when they want to keep all the money to themselves)
2) why would they notify them that they are beneficiaries when they are not required to (and according to you planning to steal the money to themselves)
and perhaps most importantly
3) why would they file the above document with the names of the beneficiaries with the court and leave a paper trail..
They must be the most stupidest thiefs ever lived. (and I am being sarcastic).
Although I understand that this is IU section and heavy speculation is okay, your theory just don't make any sense in reality.
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I support Joe Jacksonn 1000%, Joe Jacksonn is going to WIN against these Murderers. I dont know whats going on in California but a Legal Father is surpose to be able to get all their (Un-Married) Children Medical Records in Death without any court order. John Branca can Forge a WILL but he cannot Forge Michael's Birth Certificate and put his name as Father, he made himself Executor and thats as far as his little Hell Wagon will roll, we will surely witness these Devils burn in Hell with their Father Satan, so they better enjoy this Life because this will be the last place of any Enjoyment these Lying Murdering Demons will have, there is a Day of Redemption coming and cant no one stop it. Michael was dead by 6am they just kept him on Life Support and Joe and the Coroner knows this.
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Go Joe!
Yes, he has a right to that information and it is highly suspect that the executors are trying to block him. Why do they care? What is it to them if Joe want his sons medical records unless they have something to hide?
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^^Exactly. It's sad that a lot of members in GD dont see this and just see Joe trying to get money.
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I find it interesting that the estate don't even seem to want to find out how Mj died. they seem to have no interest at all.
One could say, this is not their job, in fact.
However, thy should, IMO also not provide obstacles if Joe wants to do it. they could separate Joe's claim for the allowance from his possible efforts to find out why Michael had to die.
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They are making it their job to block Joes request to access MJs medical records. If there is nothing to hide, then Joe should be able to see them. He cant get money from seeing medical records. And if there is something to hide, then why does Branca and McCain not want Joe to find something? Just like Branca tried to stop Katherine getting MJ's AEG contract. Why? They should be assisting the Jackson Family.
Yes, that's what I said in the second part of my post, after "however.."
I would say, this is not their "primary" job, HOWEVER, they should NOT block family's attempts to get the information.
Now, family is not a "coheret unit" let's say. Look, I am wondering about Katherine. Katherine was the one that withdrew objections against executors after Joe claimed the allowance from estate. In fact, then, it was Katherine taht stopped Joe then and granted Branca nad McClain the right to be executors.
So now, Katherine could act in order to influence the executors to REVEAL the documents, but she is not doing this. WHY????
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^^lol Sorry for that. I missed that somehow.
Katherine is said to be behind Joe as is the rest of the family. And Im sure they are if they find answers.
I did find it odd that Katherine backed down regarding being a co-executor. I was disappointed about that. Maybe its because they still plan on challenging the Will?
Katherine is said to be behind Joe as is the rest of the family. And Im sure they are if they find answers.
I did find it odd that Katherine backed down regarding being a co-executor. I was disappointed about that. Maybe its because they still plan on challenging the Will?
But you know, Katherine EXPLICITLY supporting Joe's efforts now would strenghten the family's standpoint and the whole process. People easily jump on Joe, though not on Katherine. Plus, Katherine could try to influence the executors to unveil the documents.
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Wasnt there a court hearing on the 28th Jan regarding t he Revocation of Will? According to California law, this can happen only if
- There is a more recent will found or
- The person who wrote the will wants it revoked
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Katherine has to be very careful. she is named in the will and therefore cannot be seen to be supporting jOE openly otherwise she might lose her allowance so she will say she doesn't support him, but you bet your bottom dollar she does, Joe jackson does not do anything without Katherines approval.
Thanks Datsmay.
But is it really possible Katherine could loose her allowance under any circumstances? That would be outrageous if she lost the alowance because she wants to join Joe in the wrongful death lawsuit or something similar. Isn't her position in the will (and in the trust) undeniable and not to be undermined whatsoever?
Dangerous Incorporated - I just checked it does not show such a hearing for the Jan 28th. Is this true or something made up by some hoax theorist? I guess if true it could have been something related to Joe's claim against the will.
Michael's will has a no contest clause in it. But this is important to understand that a no contest clause does not mean that you cannot contest the will, it means if you contest and lose the case at court then you'll no longer be in the will.
For example if Katherine files a claim saying that the will is fake (according to what is being discussed in this thread) and then if she can't prove it she loses her beneficiary position on the will.
furthermore she went to court to ask whether challenging the executors will be seen as contesting the will and the judge said it wasn't. Meaning it gave her the option to say for example Branca wasn't a good executor and not lose her beneficiary position. so she could have challenged the executors if she wanted to but she withdrew all her objections if you remember.
wrongful death suit is not related to the will, contesting the will or losing her allowance. she can open a wrongful death suit if she wants, she does not need approval for it from the executors. and most probably she can request and get the estate to pay for any cost of the lawsuit as she is a dependent and beneficiary under Michael's will.
Personally this does not make sense to me. If you leave all the emotions and family ties aside and only think about the law you see that in most even all cases Joe does not have a legal standing to make any of the claims/ requests that he's been making. So I think if they really want to achieve something on this ground then Katherine should be the one that makes the move and forget about the allowance.
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she could have challenged the executors as the judge allowed it.
challenging the will is more tricky. yes she could challenge it as well but she has to prove her point. for example is she says the signature is a forgery but later in turns to be real she would lose her beneficiary position.
I think the answers is simple for that , it is simply because the things said (or the speculations we have done in this thread) cannot be proved for certain. for example one side say Michael did not sign the will as he was not in LA on that day the other side says that a witness wrote the wrong place - both plausible and cannot be proven without a reasonable doubt.
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What names are these?
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The last one is someone claiming to be MJ's son, there is another who is claiming to be MJ's wife from the 70s.
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Nona claims all of Mj's children and some of Tito's she has been to court several times and still carrying on with her nonesense.
quite interesting then. I just checked today and it does not show anything for the 28th.
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There will be a hearing in May :
from CNN website :
"Oxman was in a Los Angeles court Thursday where a judge set May 26 as the date he will hear testimony in Joe Jackson's request for a monthly allowance from his son's estate. Joe Jackson, 80, said he depended on his son's financial support for years before his death.
The administrators, lawyer John Branca and former music executive John McClain, contend he has not shown how he was "actually dependent" on Michael Jackson.
The estate lawyers said the expenses Joe Jackson wants covered by the estate -- including vacations, air travel, assistants and legal fees -- are not reasonable. They also noted that while Jackson's mother and three children were named as beneficiaries in his will written in July 2002, Joe Jackson was not.
Joe Jackson is challenging the validity of that will, which names Branca and McClain as executors, but so far the court has refused to hear his arguments.
The judge overseeing probate of the will already awarded $60,000 in monthly support for the three children and $26,000 a month for Katherine Jackson, starting from June 25, 2009, the day Michael Jackson died.
CNN has learned that Katherine Jackson has not received any of the money ordered for her because of a judgment in a lawsuit nearly two decades ago.
A South Korean newspaper, the Segye Times, sued Michael Jackson in 1990, claiming he failed to perform at a series of concerts they had already paid him for. The lawsuit also named Katherine Jackson, Joe Jackson and another one of their sons, Jermaine Jackson.
Michael Jackson's lawyers reached an out-of-court settlement with the newspaper, but his parents and brother did not. When they failed to fight it in court, a California judge issued a $4 million summary judgment against them, which has now grown with interest to about $8 million, according to court papers."
link : http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/28/michael.jackson.family/?hpt=Sbin second half of the article
from CNN website :
"Oxman was in a Los Angeles court Thursday where a judge set May 26 as the date he will hear testimony in Joe Jackson's request for a monthly allowance from his son's estate. Joe Jackson, 80, said he depended on his son's financial support for years before his death.
The administrators, lawyer John Branca and former music executive John McClain, contend he has not shown how he was "actually dependent" on Michael Jackson.
The estate lawyers said the expenses Joe Jackson wants covered by the estate -- including vacations, air travel, assistants and legal fees -- are not reasonable. They also noted that while Jackson's mother and three children were named as beneficiaries in his will written in July 2002, Joe Jackson was not.
Joe Jackson is challenging the validity of that will, which names Branca and McClain as executors, but so far the court has refused to hear his arguments.
The judge overseeing probate of the will already awarded $60,000 in monthly support for the three children and $26,000 a month for Katherine Jackson, starting from June 25, 2009, the day Michael Jackson died.
CNN has learned that Katherine Jackson has not received any of the money ordered for her because of a judgment in a lawsuit nearly two decades ago.
A South Korean newspaper, the Segye Times, sued Michael Jackson in 1990, claiming he failed to perform at a series of concerts they had already paid him for. The lawsuit also named Katherine Jackson, Joe Jackson and another one of their sons, Jermaine Jackson.
Michael Jackson's lawyers reached an out-of-court settlement with the newspaper, but his parents and brother did not. When they failed to fight it in court, a California judge issued a $4 million summary judgment against them, which has now grown with interest to about $8 million, according to court papers."
link : http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/28/michael.jackson.family/?hpt=Sbin second half of the article
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Can anyone else challenge the validity of the will except Joe and Katherine?