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Here is what it says in Wikipedia about Manslaughter. It sounds about right in this case:

Constructive manslaughter is also referred to as ‘unlawful act’ manslaughter. It is based on the doctrine of constructive malice, whereby the malicious intent inherent in the commission of a crime is considered to apply to the consequences of that crime. It occurs when someone kills, without intent, in the course of committing an unlawful act. The malice involved in the crime is transferred to the killing, resulting in a charge of manslaughter.

For example, if a person throws a brick off a bridge into vehicular traffic below they could be found to intend or be reckless as to assault or criminal damage. There is no intent to kill, and a resulting death would not be considered murder, but would be considered involuntary manslaughter. The accused's responsibility for causing death is constructed from the fault in committing what might have been a minor criminal act.

In the United States, misdemeanour manslaughter is a lesser version of felony murder, and covers a person who causes the death of another while committing a misdemeanour – that is, a violation of law which doesn't rise to the level of a felony. This may automatically lead to a conviction for the homicide, if the misdemeanor involved a law designed to protect human life.


All doctors say that Propofol is not used outside of hospitals. I don't know if administering Propofol is breaking a law or a regulation, but it is clearly something that is designed to "protect human life".
 
Murder: Second degree
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Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life.


administering propofol is a dangerous conduct and administering it without the medical equipment necessary is a disregard to human life . so it is a slam dunk case.
 
The sad part about this is that Murray is the sole target. Other doctors slowly killed Michael too. Klein in particular. Fans saw Michael coming out of Klein's in an altered state, and the days he was not seeing him, he was lucid and well.

There are other guilty parties, who is going to expose them? The This-Is-Not-It campaign targets some (AEG), but what about beyond this?
 
a healthy liver, kidneys and SPERM tells you MJ was not killed slowly by anyone . stop believing lies .
 
Michael Jackson Investigation Goes to District Attorney Next Week
October 7, 4:19 PM
Pittsburgh Celebrity Headlines ExaminerNicole Cunzolo
http://www.examiner.com/x-24477-Pit...stigation-goes-to-District-Attorney-next-week

Michael Jackson investigation goes to DA next week. Jason DeCrow/APShortly after his death, the Los Angeles Police Department has been investigating Michael Jackson's homicide with a prime suspect in mind. Next week, they will be presenting the case to the District Attorney's office.

As we all know, Dr. Conrad Murray has been the center of attention when it comes to the death of the King of Pop. From the beginning, law enforcement suspected the drug, Propofol, as the source of Jackson's cause of death, and Murray as the one who administered it. According to TMZ, LAPD believes they have enough evidence to present the case to the DA and reports a "70/30 chance the DA will take the case directly to the Grand Jury after that," where Murray will be the "sole target." They are just waiting for some paperwork to be completed by some medical professionals giving their expert opinions in the matter.

There has been much speculation into other physicians and their risky drug practices with Jackson, but no other person has been mentioned in the charges.
It is unclear how much time behind bars Dr. Murray may be facing, but I'm sure if he's found guilty, the sentence won't be harsh enough to MJ's fans.

Reportedly, Murray administered the anesthetic to Jackson a few times during the course of the night prior to his death--along with other medication-- without monitoring his vital signs, and left the room. When he returned in the late morning, Murray reported Jackson wasn't breathing, but reportedly waited some time before calling 911---with first excuse of "I didn't know the address"---- then tried performing CPR on the bed---a big time medical error-----and then fled into hiding for some time before officials could speak to him regarding the events.

The District Attorney will be presented with all the evidence next week, and then will decide if to charge Murray directly or to go straight to the Grand Jury for prosecution.
Either way----do we need a Grand Jury to decide??
More as the story develops....
 
I don't think he was over-medicated by klein either I think he looked tired/confused sometimes because he couldn't eat or sleep well and Murray was giving him too many anxiety sleeping pills or whatever they were, and MJ couldn't even eat well...and he was working so so much
 
If MJ were having procedures done at Klein's place of course he would be a little bit druggy. It's like you after having done a dental procedure, you would probably be a little bit dazed b/c of the drugs you received.
 
Something else that worries me - If Murray goes down, who else will? He wasn't alone in this and there was definitely something or someone 'bigger' than him behind this. He didn't just think he could murder Michael and get away with it - he was doing it for somebody (or so I think). I wouldn't be happy knowing that murderers are still out there.
 
Cris123 said:
The sad part about this is that Murray is the sole target. Other doctors slowly killed Michael too. Klein in particular. Fans saw Michael coming out of Klein's in an altered state, and the days he was not seeing him, he was lucid and well.

There are other guilty parties, who is going to expose them? The This-Is-Not-It campaign targets some (AEG), but what about beyond this?
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Are you really sure that you're not looking too deep into it?

Dr Klein was working on Michael's face and I believe MJ had procedures done during all the visits... so it is pretty obvious why Michael looked dizzy... and after a day or two he'd be all right again...

Michael visited Klein because he wanted to prepare for his concerts and look good. Not to go to sleep or get high.

Dr Murray is the one who gave Michael propofol and that is why he is the target AND Dr Klein isn't - he was Michaels plastic surgeon, not personal physician.
 
I want to know the doctor who FIRST made Michael think this was ok to use as a sleep aid. Murray did not to do this but he ended it.
 
f MJ were having procedures done at Klein's place of course he would be a little bit druggy. It's like you after having done a dental procedure, you would probably be a little bit dazed b/c of the drugs you received.
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exactly.
 
Alec said:
Are you really sure that you're not looking too deep into it?

Dr Klein was working on Michael's face and I believe MJ had procedures done during all the visits... so it is pretty obvious why Michael looked dizzy... and after a day or two he'd be all right again...

Michael visited Klein because he wanted to prepare for his concerts and look good. Not to go to sleep or get high.

Dr Murray is the one who gave Michael propofol and that is why he is the target AND Dr Klein isn't - he was Michaels plastic surgeon, not personal physician.
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Dr. Klein is a dermatologist, a little different from a plastic surgeon. However, there may be some procedures that Klein performed that required pain med or some type of sedation (IV) other than Propofol. It was reported that when Propofol was needed for a procedure, it was performed at the "clinic" in the same general office vicinity and given by a nurse anesthetist. I don't think Klein is "clean" in any of this, but to what extent he was involved in medicating Michael is certainly a big question. Did Michael insist on being medicated prior to certain uncomfortable procedures, also a possibility.
 
williamorange1 said:
ofcourse there is and this is what happened here . but what lead actually to the accidental death ?

Murray administered propofol without the medical equipment needed to administer such a dangerous drug , he showed no regard to human life , there is no such a "simple accident " here . propofol is a very very dangerous drug , without equipment the chances of suffering complications which causes death are VERY VERY HIGH . it is not like he did everything by the book and failed , he did not follow the basic instructions provided to administer such a drug and he can't claim he was not aware because this instructions are printed on every bottle/vial , NO ESCAPE . he was aware yet he did not follow them .
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That's not what I meant. I think you misunderstood my question. I meant, in this case it is ruled 'homicide' not 'accidental death'. So if a coroner can officially call a manner of death in medical practice an 'accidental death' then because he hasn't in this case, Murray cannot claim it was an accident.
 
Cris123 said:
The sad part about this is that Murray is the sole target. Other doctors slowly killed Michael too. Klein in particular. Fans saw Michael coming out of Klein's in an altered state, and the days he was not seeing him, he was lucid and well.

There are other guilty parties, who is going to expose them? The This-Is-Not-It campaign targets some (AEG), but what about beyond this?
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Let's correct something : there's at least two seperate investigations going on.

When there's a high profile case (like MJ), law enforcement checks the reason of death to see whether it is natural or not. If it's not natural death then they begin the investigation. Now we know that the reason is "propofol" so their death investigation will include people who produce, supply, deliver, prescribe and administer this drug and nobody else. as you may know they also followed the manufacturer and the pharmacies and as it turns out they delivered the drug to a legitimate doctor with a legitimate prescription so they have been cleared. Only person left is the doctor who prescribed and administrated the propofol.

Now other doctors that might have prescriped any other drug are the subject of another investigation. Apparently LAPD has turned in the reports to the drug administration officials. Now that one might not be a criminal case (as the other doctors and drugs did not kill MJ) but that does not mean that the DAE will not fine or take medical licences of these other doctors. ( For example I think (but not sure) that using alliases on prescriptions is not legal, they might be fined for that).

I don't know what to think about Klein. As far as I know he was treating MJ for lupus, his burns and rebuilding his nose - face (with fillers and botox?). And honestly MJ's face looked better. On Larry King he told that he gave painkillers when he was treating the burned scalp and that all that he had done will not kill anybody. I believe this might be true with slightly cosmetic and skin related procedures. They are generally localized treatments which would result in localized reactions if any. Also Klein's lawyer said that Klein's records about MJ was subpoenaed before during the accusations ( I suppose to check for vitilago) and there was no red flags.
 
prescribing to aliases is not a crime if the patient real name is mentioned inside the files and that was the case with mj .

Klien is the only one who is gonna face charges because of self prescribing, he was self prescribing for three years , he wrote 27 prescriptions in his name . and no he may have been sending them to his Hollywood friends but not mj , because klien would not jeropedise his whole career for someone like mj who could easily use one of his 65 neverland employees as aliases , after all MJ had indeed oral agreement with mikey pharmacy to pay for 50 names .
and before someone ask me whether he was using them as aliases as an idiot administrator at KOP discussion claimed , a healthy kidney, liver and sperm . and on top of that STRONG HEART , does not indicate this man was using 50 aliases to obtain drugs .
 
ivy said:
When there's a high profile case (like MJ), law enforcement checks the reason of death to see whether it is natural or not. If it's not natural death then they begin the investigation. Now we know that the reason is "propofol" so their death investigation will include people who produce, supply, deliver, prescribe and administer this drug and nobody else. as you may know they also followed the manufacturer and the pharmacies and as it turns out they delivered the drug to a legitimate doctor with a legitimate prescription so they have been cleared. Only person left is the doctor who prescribed and administrated the propofol.
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I'm not sure whoever supplied Murray is 'in the clear' tbh. See my post in the Investigative Unit:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77075&page=2
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/26/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main5266204.shtml
Aug. 26, 2009
Cops: Doc on Phone While MJ Not Breathing

After Dr. Conrad Murray Found Jackson Unconscious, He Called Office, Stayed on Phone for Half Hour, Police According to police, after Dr. Conrad Murray found Michael Jackson not breathing he made several calls to his office before police were called. Hattie Kauffman reports.


(CBS) More details about what happened in the final hours of Michael Jackson's life are surfacing, especially what occurred during the critical 81 minute gap between when Los Angeles police say his personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, found Jackson not breathing to when he finally called 911.

Police say that, after Murray found Jackson unconscious, he called his office and stayed on the phone for a full half-hour, "Early Show" national correspondent Hattie Kauffman reported on the broadcast Wednesday.

A police affadavit says Murray found Jackson not breathing at 11 a.m. the day the singer died. But the 911 call wasn't made until 12:21 p.m. And now, cell phone records show Murray made 47 minutes worth of other calls.

At 11:18 a.m., Murray made a 32-minute call to his office in Las Vegas. At 11:49 a.m., he called another Las Vegas phone number for three minutes. And at 11:51 a.m., he called Houston for 11 minutes. Then at 12:12 p.m., he called a Jackson associate for one minute.

Kauffman reported the police affidavit shows these calls happened while Jackson was unconscious in his bed and Murray was performing CPR.

Legal experts say that, if Murray is charged with a crime, it might not just be just for administering dangerous drugs, but also for not reacting quickly enough to a dying patient.

CBS News legal analyst Lisa Bloom said, "I think any reasonable person would expect Dr. Murray to administer CPR and call 911 immediately. ... This is proof of reckless conduct. That's exactly what law enforcement needs for a manslaughter charge."

Still, Las Vegas defense attorney Robert Langford cautions,there could be an explanation for the long phone call. Langford said, "Was he talking to another physician? Trying to find out if there was some other drug he could adminster to revive him? I mean we don't know. ... It's really premature to say that that shows some criminal intent."

Kauffman reported Murray's Las Vegas office has been closed for some time recently and Murray himself remains in his home, keeping a low profile.
 
as you may know they also followed the manufacturer and the pharmacies and as it turns out they delivered the drug to a legitimate doctor with a legitimate prescription so they have been cleared. Only person left is the doctor who prescribed and administrated the propofol.
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from the search warrant :
"DEA also checked all availablecomputer systems to determine whether DR. MURRAY had prescribed PROPOFOL (DIPRIVAN) toJACKSON and how much of the drug he had purchased and/or ordered. DEA was unable to find a recordof DR. MURRAY purchasing, ordered or obtaining any PROPOFOL (DIPRTVAN) under his medicallicense or DEA number."

clearly Murray did not obtain it legaly , yes he got it from the Apllied pharmacy in LV but that does not it was obtained legally .
 
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