Interesting story about the shows from the "inside"

[bowen9999]

The originator of this story stated
Michael was in good shape 100 % ready and able to perform but the rest of the production was not ready.

Where does it state he was in good shape? It says Michael would have been 100% ready by July 13th, because "he did those songs hundreds of times before during his career, he knew exaclty what to do" but it doesn't say he was in good shape.

MJJ:G.O.A.T thanks for clarifying what b/f meant.

 

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

now i undersatand it all. im sad but at least i know why. i alwasy got a wrong feel, and believe me i do not believe in all those pre feeling things, i dont, but it was obvious, there was something wrong those days before Michael passed away...

 

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

and one thing was so obvious, when he suddenly died, not even one single dancer spoke, not one, it was obvious they were said NOT TO TALK AT ALL

And now i know how TMZ got the news of MJ death, the Phillips crew was in touch, everything just adds, comepletely...


TMZ knows more than we all do, BUT they are hiding something, im sure the truth will come out, it will, not from them

 

[MJJLaugh]

You know we never heard MJ say he wanted to do that many show. It is always someone sayint he wanted to do. Also, I noticed in the movie he had his sunglasses on a lot especially whent there was a lot of lighting. I don't know if his eyes were sensative to the light. They did find medicine for glaucoma in his room. I don know speculating here.

Ensleyave, I was actually thinking the same thing. Besides, Ephedrine had been found in his body which is bad for glaucoma patients (among many other things that I won't go into now as it is OT) so maybe the lights were bothering him more. Could be....

 

[IFeelGood]

This is ridiculous.

People are not giving MJ enough credit. He is a master craftsman. He is genius, he is doing what he does best, what he knows inside out. To say he was insecure and unsure is, in my opinion, BS. If he seems all too humble it's because he is thinking 'ok you're not doing it right, it's gotta be better, but i'm not going to come down hard on you'. It's in his nature.

Michael Jackson has been there, done that, MANY MANY times before. This isn't the first time he was involved in a stage production work scenario. Why would people think things all of a sudden happened in backstage in This Is It and have not happened before.

Give MJ credit. He is the King, he's been at the very top, and to me he looked very chilled and not taking crap from anyone (not that anyonre would give him crap). If he seems uneasy i think it's just because he was frustrated maybe sometimes that people around him were not quite at the level he wanted them to be, or just making mistakes that only he heard.

Besides, the dancers and musicians, and him, looked to have a lot of practise behind them and looked polished - apart from him not giving 100% at times (which is normal).

Also - how many times would such a production need to be run through full dress rehearsals? I wouldn't think it's as many as people assume. Being in London and having 2 weeks, they could've rehearsed with full dress rehearsal the whole show in its entirety every couple of days and it would've been enough..

Kenny even says there were doubts the show, and Michael would be ready, but things were coming together in the 2 days before Michael's...yeah....

This show was going to blow anything before it out the water. Too many experienced people working on it to let it slip.

Enjoy the movie people, focus on the positives - because the negatives even if they may exist are simply commonplace in this industry and are insignificant.

MJ takes no crap, MJ was ready. I love the movie.

 

[gerryevans]

Also, when a show is super technical, as is THIS IS IT, there are hundreds of detailed issues that won't be ready until the first curtain call. Sometimes, things are NOT ready, but the show goes on and are added later on.

And drama happens behind the stage ALL THE TIME, but the audience never ever sees it when the show is good - and the main performer/s make up for it with their riveting performances.

Michael can take a bare stage and not even sing or move and he has everybody crying their eyes out in joy & euphoria.

And with a single move of his hands, foot, or a guttural sound from the depths of his soul - with no other instrument playing - Michael makes the world shake from under you.

Michael planned EVERY DETAIL himself, and he knew it from the stiching on the dancers' costumes, to the visual effects, to each of the dancers' moves, to the chords & notes the band should play.

WTF!? What I'm hearing is a lot of "fans" doubting the genius of MJ. The man was ON POINT with everything.

To say that Michael Jackson was not ready to perform, is like saying Albert Einstein couldn't add up 1 + 1.

DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

So anybody that thinks he couldn't be up for the task of the O2, clearly DOESN'T KNOW Michael Jackson.

AMEN! and THANK YOU...

Some of these comments make Michael sound like some feeble minded puppet totally manipulated by promoters.

This is Michael Jackson. He deserves more respect than that.

He was a 50 year old po and had been performing since he was 5, and had been solely in charge of his career since his early 20's. He did what he wanted to do! He was not forced into these shows by AEG. He CHOSE to do them.

10 or 50 shows, the same grueling demands would have existed because of the magnitude of HIS vision. Michael knew that. That's why he hired a doctor to help get him through them. He passed a physical exam. The doctor was supposedly there to monitor him and ensure he'd stay in shape. Sure, everyone saw he was feeling the effects of the pressure. They all were.

This was his BIG comeback. With his vision and perfectionism, if there had been only 10 shows, the preparation would have been the same.

So would his sleepless nights have been the same.

He wasn't in the midst of doing the concerts when tragedy struck. He was in the midst of preparing for the FIRST one!

Once, he had gotten through it. All the other glitches would have worked themselves out as they always do in a major production.

This was an ideal scenario for MJ. He'd only have to do 2 or 3 shows a week, would be able to settle in, and not have to travel from city to city, but insead go to his country estate every night after a show and be with his children. The shows weren't even going to be the length of his regular concerts.

Plus, those movie vignettes would have meant less time for him to actually have been on stage, which would have given him even more periods for maintaining his endurance. That's probably why Michael wanted them.

The fact that his team put together that worldwide memorial in a matter of days is proof they would have been able to pull together all the elements for that first curtain.

If someone was going to intervene, they would have had to do so before he committed in the first place. And who could prevent Michael from getting back on stage if he wanted to?

 

[Bee]

You know what I found so interesting?
That NO ONE ever mentions that Michael was only HUMAN. Yes, HUMAN! And HUMAN aren't some sort of superman.

Ofcourse he wanted to do this tour, ofcourse he could, ofcourse he was the king, ofcourse he changed this world, ofcourse he was like nobody else, ofcourse he was the most amazing man on the planet.
But did it ever came to someones mind that maybe, just MAYBE....he could make a MISTAKE....just like every human?
That he could change his mind about the shows? That he thought he couldn't do it? That it was too much? That he was insecure?

I for one, could totally understand that.
Damnit....

 

[gerryevans]

You know what I found so interesting?
That NO ONE ever mentions that Michael was only HUMAN. Yes, HUMAN! And HUMAN aren't some sort of superman.

Ofcourse he wanted to do this tour, ofcourse he could, ofcourse he was the king, ofcourse he changed this world, ofcourse he was like nobody else..
But did it ever came to someones mind that maybe, just MAYBE....he could make a MISTAKE....just like everyone else?
That he could change his mind about the shows? That he thought he couldn't do it? That it was too much? That he was insecure?

Damnit....

Of course, he felt all those things. Perhaps, even more so than most humans.
Michael had been put through hell on this earth. Despite all his gifts and glory, when you think of all he endured from childhood through some of the most disheartening devastating circumstances as an adult and experienced in a public forum, I sometimes wonder how he managed to get out of bed each day.

Now that I've seen TII, I totally get that he may have been overwhelmed by what he wanted to accomplish. AEG certainly didin't give a hoot about presenting a show with a message and earth preservation. That was all our beautiful Mike's idea.

I just think that Michael was realistic and human enough to know also that if he did act on any change of mind he might have had, the consequences would have been overwhelming as well.

In addition to a new massive lawsuit, he'd have to suffer worldwide disrepect and ridicule for reneging and the massive debt that the shows were going to alleviate would now only be compounded.

The kind of tension filled aftermath he'd have to deal with would probably have given him the same sleepless nights that led to a Dr. Murray in the first place.

 

[Samtkaninchen]

Just one thing to remember: On the web there are also many trolls around.

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

Without a source we simply don't know if this story is black or white. :2cents:

 

[IFeelGood]

You know what I found so interesting?
That NO ONE ever mentions that Michael was only HUMAN. Yes, HUMAN! And HUMAN aren't some sort of superman.

Ofcourse he wanted to do this tour, ofcourse he could, ofcourse he was the king, ofcourse he changed this world, ofcourse he was like nobody else, ofcourse he was the most amazing man on the planet.
But did it ever came to someones mind that maybe, just MAYBE....he could make a MISTAKE....just like every human?
That he could change his mind about the shows? That he thought he couldn't do it? That it was too much? That he was insecure?

I for one, could totally understand that.
Damnit....

He is human. But how many humans do you know who have broken attendance records with concert world tours multiple times?

For all Michael had been through he was comfortable none more than up on that stage.

 

[Bee]

He is human. But how many humans do you know who have broken attendance records with concert world tours multiple times?

For all Michael had been through he was comfortable none more than up on that stage.

Ofcourse! It would've been massive, no doubt!
He could do this, but what I mean is....I can understand if HE felt he could not/things didn't work out the way he thought.

 

[mjdove]

I am so tired tired tired tired of it. Please stop it. It makes me down, it damages Michael, it is good for nothing. I hate it. How THEY describe Michael, it's sounds if he was an idiot with no brain and no will. Sorry for you Michael, you don't deserve that. And if I only read the name Karen Faye .... no

One thinks to find some comfort together with the other fans but since this MOVEMENT fights online I feel more and more devastated.

 

[8701girl]

You know what I found so interesting?
That NO ONE ever mentions that Michael was only HUMAN. Yes, HUMAN! And HUMAN aren't some sort of superman.

Ofcourse he wanted to do this tour, ofcourse he could, ofcourse he was the king, ofcourse he changed this world, ofcourse he was like nobody else, ofcourse he was the most amazing man on the planet.
But did it ever came to someones mind that maybe, just MAYBE....he could make a MISTAKE....just like every human?
That he could change his mind about the shows? That he thought he couldn't do it? That it was too much? That he was insecure?

I for one, could totally understand that.
Damnit....

I totally feel u mrs music! if mj would have changed his mind bout the tour, i wouldnt have blamed him. With all that he had been through over the past few yrs, i wouldnt be surprised if there was a part of him that just didnt wanna do it. I mean i know he wanted to do it for us the fans coz he loved us- but if he was happy with not doing the tour i would have been happy either way.

 

[Birchey]

Love the way this comes out AFTER the movie, especially the bit with the in ear moniters, and using the movie as reference to the videos not being rehearsed.

This info is no good without a source, anyone could have wrote that after the movie.

And the person saying the show was so much from complete huh? The lightman was ready the day Michael died, the show was all drawn up and pretty much ready as you see in the film, it was just a case of putting it together.

And as for saying do you think the show would be ready in 14 days.........it would have been! It might not seem long but thats the way Michael always worked

 

[emmah24]

For all Michael had been through he was comfortable none more than up on that stage.

How do you know that to still be true?

In my opinion, the trial changed Michael, as it would any person. Not only did he suffer and endure such a horrendous period, he also had the whole world watching and judging. Such a thing can shatter a person, I mean mentally its not something you just get over. His character, his attitude towards children was turned into something sinister and people gathered against him one by one to destroy him. How does one really handle and process that?

Its true, Michael comes alive on stage, its where he shines, we see that in the film, and thats what I enjoyed most about the film, Michael connecting with his music and performing. I just cant be sure however that he still felt the same passion about performing now as he used to. Its draining, and with age, its physically harder to sustain yourself.

Im not doubting Michaels genius, TII was going to be his ultimate show and it is all his creation. The pressure put upon him was just to great, he was backed into a corner.

 

[Moogisland]

I don't really believe any of this article.
Michael was great in the movie. He may not have wanted people to see him just rehearsing but then he probably didn't want to die either.
Michael has a no.1 movie now, Im sure he would have been real chuffed.

 

[MIST]

Love, peace, understanding, that´s Michael.
What would he think of his fans if he could read this thread?
Michael left a message to the world, we have to save this planet before its too late.

 

[Samtkaninchen]

Love, peace, understanding, that´s Michael.
What would he think of his fans if he could read this thread?
Michael left a message to the world, we have to save this planet before its too late.

Well said. h34r:

 

[Nivea]

oh man! I'm so confused! Don't really know what to think anymore

 

[gerryevans]

How do you know that to still be true?

In my opinion, the trial changed Michael, as it would any person. Not only did he suffer and endure such a horrendous period, he also had the whole world watching and judging. Such a thing can shatter a person, I mean mentally its not something you just get over. His character, his attitude towards children was turned into something sinister and people gathered against him one by one to destroy him. How does one really handle and process that?

Its true, Michael comes alive on stage, its where he shines, we see that in the film, and thats what I enjoyed most about the film, Michael connecting with his music and performing. I just cant be sure however that he still felt the same passion about performing now as he used to. Its draining, and with age, its physically harder to sustain yourself.

Im not doubting Michaels genius, TII was going to be his ultimate show and it is all his creation. The pressure put upon him was just to great, he was backed into a corner.

Yeah, his outlook about EVERYTHING could have changed. Just think, his beloved home Neverland had become a place he never wanted to see again.

I agree he was backed into a corner. But I do believe the bulk of the pressure came from within Michael himself and what he wanted to accomplish. It was Michael's vision they were bringing to life. They had committed all the resources required to make it what he wanted. Unfortunately, as his vision materialized and time constraints tightened, stress intensified for all.

But I still think he could have pulled it all off.

 

[Smudge]

Interesting read that makes a lot of sense! Thanks.

 

[emmah24]

Yeah, his outlook about EVERYTHING could have changed. Just think, his beloved home Neverland had become a place he never wanted to see again.

I agree he was backed into a corner. But I do believe the bulk of the pressure came from within Michael himself and what he wanted to accomplish. It was Michael's vision they were bringing to life. They had committed all the resources required to make it what he wanted. Unfortunately, as his vision materialized and time constraints tightened, stress intensified for all.

But I still think he could have pulled it all off.

Without doubt his perfectionist streak means he puts immense pressure on himself. I've often felt that his gift and talent have also been a curse at the same time. We all know the stories of him channelling late into the night and always searching for more and trying to deliver more.

I just think he has been left in a fragile state since 2005. Yet people continued to look at him, and all they saw were dollar signs and opportunity for themselves.

 

[Soso Deaf]

i believe this is true. if anyone wants to re-watch the film after reading this, i assure u that what u missed before will stick out this time around

 

[thrillerchild]

Conflicting info...headache...ouch...

 

[LauraLovesMJ]

This is ridiculous.

People are not giving MJ enough credit. He is a master craftsman. He is genius, he is doing what he does best, what he knows inside out. To say he was insecure and unsure is, in my opinion, BS. If he seems all too humble it's because he is thinking 'ok you're not doing it right, it's gotta be better, but i'm not going to come down hard on you'. It's in his nature.

True, but even if he was feeling a bit insecure, that would've been ok! Who wouldn't? It was a huge production.

Michael Jackson has been there, done that, MANY MANY times before. This isn't the first time he was involved in a stage production work scenario. Why would people think things all of a sudden happened in backstage in This Is It and have not happened before.

I agree. He had probably seen it all. :lol:

Besides, the dancers and musicians, and him, looked to have a lot of practise behind them and looked polished - apart from him not giving 100% at times (which is normal).

Yes, and he also mentioned a couple of times in the movie that he was "saving his voice". Seemed to me he was kinda doing the same at times with the dancing. He was working through the steps, timing them with the singing/music, without actually putting 100% into it.

I just think he has been left in a fragile state since 2005.

That is probably true, but it seemed to really be helping him to have a goal and something to work towards. From the movie he really seemed to be in his element and happy.

Sometimes it isn't a *bad* thing to be pushed out of your past, so that you don't continue to dwell on your troubles, and be pushed into your future, where there are new opportunities for redemption.

Yet people continued to look at him, and all they saw were dollar signs and opportunity for themselves.

What proof do you have for this mean-spirited accusation?

 

[Vici]

didnt they start dance rehearsals in late april - early may? isnt that too late?

 

[emmah24]

True, but even if he was feeling a bit insecure, that would've been ok! Who wouldn't? It was a huge production.

I agree. He had probably seen it all. :lol:

Yes, and he also mentioned a couple of times in the movie that he was "saving his voice". Seemed to me he was kinda doing the same at times with the dancing. He was working through the steps, timing them with the singing/music, without actually putting 100% into it.



That is probably true, but it seemed to really be helping him to have a goal and something to work towards. From the movie he really seemed to be in his element and happy.

Sometimes it isn't a *bad* thing to be pushed out of your past, so that you don't continue to dwell on your troubles, and be pushed into your future, where there are new opportunities for redemption.


What proof do you have for this mean-spirited accusation?

Go research the well documented history of scumbags, leeches, ex business associates and down right ludicrious accusations that Michael has been targeted with over many years.

 

[LauraLovesMJ]

Go research the well documented history of scumbags, leeches, ex business associates and down right ludicrious accusations that Michael has been targeted with over many years.

My understanding of your post is that you meant it specifically for AEG, or Kenny, or Travis, etc. I'm asking you to prove those accusations.

 

[emmah24]

If I could prove accusations against any of those people I would be going to the authorities, not a message board.

 

[riviera1992]

For those of you speculating about Michael wearing sunglasses, please don't.
There's many reasons performers do that.

Great performers are ultra sensitive people. They sense everything hundred fold compare to us mere mortals. With Michael it was even worst because of his chronic ailments (vitilago and lupus). So protecting his eyes from the lights was one reason.

But the main reason is performing in front of a "black hole".

It's much easier to concentrate and get the feel of your performance when you CAN'T see anything in front of you. Much less distracting.