Im not understanding why this fourm has a negitive outlook on the Jackson Family

[chanel05]

I fully see the need for disdain towards the family and I feel completely the same. However the level of hate and obsession that is shown towards them on this site is disturbing. Hate breeds hate and I really don't believe that we should be showing that level of cruelty and hate towards anybody. That falls on deaf ears round here though, believe me the staff have tried to no avail to curb things to a somewhat respectable state of affairs and I still hope that someday we do achieve that. All we get is accusations of being up their arses and not here for Michael, which is complete BS. Nobody is asking anybody to love the Jacksons - I would not ask anybody to do what I wouldn't do myself - just to not be so ugly with the words we choose to express that.

Once again, I will use this thread to appeal to those who I'm talking about here, to just think about the tone of this forum. It is ugly, disturbing and at times difficult to read. Please think about that and what we as a community want to represent.

I agree... It is one thing not to like them, but its taken to a whole new level at times.

^ Then you need to learn to separate yourself from Michael, as harsh as that sounds. Because none of us here were a part/are a part of his family, we weren't there to know what happened. We don't know the level of "agony" or sadness or whatever he truly experienced. All we know is what they show to the public, or what Michael has chosen to say in interviews.

I agree. They only show us 10% of their lives, and we make up the other 80% off that ten. We dont know what these people do and say privately.. We only know what they give us or what is told(which 9 times out of 10 is fabricated)

 

[LindavG]

I fully see the need for disdain towards the family and I feel completely the same. However the level of hate and obsession that is shown towards them on this site is disturbing. Hate breeds hate and I really don't believe that we should be showing that level of cruelty and hate towards anybody. That falls on deaf ears round here though, believe me the staff have tried to no avail to curb things to a somewhat respectable state of affairs and I still hope that someday we do achieve that. All we get is accusations of being up their arses and not here for Michael, which is complete BS. Nobody is asking anybody to love the Jacksons - I would not ask anybody to do what I wouldn't do myself - just to not be so ugly with the words we choose to express that.

Once again, I will use this thread to appeal to those who I'm talking about here, to just think about the tone of this forum. It is ugly, disturbing and at times difficult to read. Please think about that and what we as a community want to represent.

Well said, I'm glad some moderators recognize this problem

 

[LindavG]

I agree. They only show us 10% of their lives, and we make up the other 80% off that ten.

Something doesn't add up here

 

[bluetopez]

There's nothing wrong to say that we don't agree with some of the Jacksons actions throughout the yrs and now! Even MJ acknowledge the difficulties of him and his family members issues! I don't hate them because their his family! He loved them regardless and still helped them because he felt he needed to and probably sometimes because he had too!?

But, I can't ignore the things that has gone down for yrs and continue too!

Which is one of the reasons why I have issues with them because in my opinion they over did it with their need of him! This one man in this huge family, doing all the hard work it was and is unfair! Yea Janet works too second hardest to MJ but, the rest all lived under MJ's money only!....Why is that?! I hope it wasn't because he is a man and he needed to be the provider cause of that?! I seriously do not understand it?! SMH

 

[Memefan]

^ I'm sorry that you're lead to believe that, but they're still Michael's family and I personally do not think Michael would want us to hate them. Hate is a very strong emotion. You say Katherine is the only one "untouched"; I would put Janet in that same realm, if need be.

Well, OBVIOUSLY, I did not include Janet in there because there's no need to. She is as conniving as the rest of them...the only difference is she had maintained an impressive career ..while the others are wallowing in their past MJ-led glory days.

 

[twinklEE]

I fully see the need for disdain towards the family and I feel completely the same. However the level of hate and obsession that is shown towards them on this site is disturbing. Hate breeds hate and I really don't believe that we should be showing that level of cruelty and hate towards anybody. That falls on deaf ears round here though, believe me the staff have tried to no avail to curb things to a somewhat respectable state of affairs and I still hope that someday we do achieve that. All we get is accusations of being up their arses and not here for Michael, which is complete BS. Nobody is asking anybody to love the Jacksons - I would not ask anybody to do what I wouldn't do myself - just to not be so ugly with the words we choose to express that.

Once again, I will use this thread to appeal to those who I'm talking about here, to just think about the tone of this forum. It is ugly, disturbing and at times difficult to read. Please think about that and what we as a community want to represent.

I understand your point of view, but people are just frustrated and fed up with their actions, their actions and behavior was bad even before he died, but after his death it just got worse. Michael's passed away almost 2 years ago, yet their habit of selling him out, hasn't changed. Every other week there is a new story of how Michael was an addict, dysfunctional, delusional, in denial, every other week there is news about how Katherine is selling out Michael's children to crooks like Mann. Every week there are new storys about how these people try to go against Michael's wishes in their vain attempt to take over his empire. Every other week there is a new interview of either Latoya, Rebbie or Janet pimping their careers at Michael's expense, while at the same time throwing him under the bus in their interviews. It's tiring having to read every three weeks about some nonsense cryptic ramblings of Randall, it's tiring to read about Joseph and his repeated attempts to get his fingers on something, or someone, every 5 days there is story about some XYZ Jackson writing a book on Michael (All this is going on while NO outrage, NONE whatsoever is being shown toward Murray, the trial against Michael's killer is being ignored, though they're the first ones to jump on Twitter when it comes to monetary issues). Sometimes ugly actions have ugly words as reactions, I know that I myself have said many things about the Jackson's, -used many ugly words- but it wasn't because I hate their guts, no (I do not hate anyone, but I do have a strong dislike for them)- it was due to their own equally ugly actions and/or behavior toward Michael. After two years of his death, it is my belief that Michael finally deserves to be left alone, if his own family cannot give him this much basic respect, than they surely won't be respected by me. The Jackson's despite of being 'his own' have probably sold him out the worst possible way, not just once, twice or three times, but numerous times on numerous occasions, and the sad part is, it doesn't look like they're planing to change this attitude of theirs, anytime soon, if at all. This kind of behavior is undeniable and inexcusable.

 

[marebear]

I don't hate them but I just don't understand them. Sometimes I think about what I would do if Michael was my family and what my actions would be. It wouldn't be the same at all. A lot of times I am just surprised or confused with their actions. I know Michael loved them and I try to be respectful but it's okay not to agree with them. People think differently.

 

[maoul]

even of we know a few things about them regardless what we can hear or read in the tabloids ; as we are not part from the family, we don't have all the real issues.
We can have a point of view of course but to my mind I don't wanna criticise any of them because I just don't know them personnaly.

 

[Memefan]

I fully see the need for disdain towards the family and I feel completely the same. However the level of hate and obsession that is shown towards them on this site is disturbing. Hate breeds hate and I really don't believe that we should be showing that level of cruelty and hate towards anybody. That falls on deaf ears round here though, believe me the staff have tried to no avail to curb things to a somewhat respectable state of affairs and I still hope that someday we do achieve that. All we get is accusations of being up their arses and not here for Michael, which is complete BS. Nobody is asking anybody to love the Jacksons - I would not ask anybody to do what I wouldn't do myself - just to not be so ugly with the words we choose to express that.

Once again, I will use this thread to appeal to those who I'm talking about here, to just think about the tone of this forum. It is ugly, disturbing and at times difficult to read. Please think about that and what we as a community want to represent.

As I have stated before...the best thing would be to shut down this section of the board.

I only read about them here...and the more I read the more disgusted & appalled I feel about them.

Even though I 've known of their greedy and callous ways for years...Since June 25th 2009, I realized how much worse it is and has been for MJ.

 

[StaceyMJ]

I understand your point of view, but people are just frustrated and fed up with their actions, their actions and behavior was bad even before he died, but after his death it just got worse. Michael's passed away almost 2 years ago, yet their habit of selling him out, hasn't changed. Every other week there is a new story of how Michael was an addict, dysfunctional, delusional, in denial, every other week there is news about how Katherine is selling out Michael's children to crooks like Mann. Every week there are new storys about how these people try to go against Michael's wishes in their vain attempt to take over his empire. Every other week there is a new interview of either Latoya, Rebbie or Janet pimping their careers at Michael's expense, while at the same time throwing him under the bus in their interviews. It's tiring having to read every three weeks about some nonsense cryptic ramblings of Randall, it's tiring to read about Joseph and his repeated attempts to get his fingers on something, or someone, every 5 days there is story about some XYZ Jackson writing a book on Michael (All this is going on while NO outrage, NONE whatsoever is being shown toward Murray, the trial against Michael's killer is being ignored, though they're the first ones to jump on Twitter when it comes to monetary issues). Sometimes ugly actions have ugly words as reactions, I know that I myself have said many things about the Jackson's, -used many ugly words- but it wasn't because I hate their guts, no (I do not hate anyone, but I do have a strong dislike for them)- it was due to their own equally ugly actions and/or behavior toward Michael. After two years of his death, it is my belief that Michael finally deserves to be left alone, if his own family cannot give him this much basic respect, than they surely won't be respected by me. The Jackson's despite of being 'his own' have probably sold him out the worst possible way, not just once, twice or three times, but numerous times on numerous occasions, and the sad part is, it doesn't look like they're planing to change this attitude of theirs, anytime soon, if at all. This kind of behavior is undeniable and inexcusable.

I completely understand, really I do. I'm appalled, I will have nothing to do with the Jacksons minus Michael and his gorgeous 3. But, what I mean is, that doesn't mean we should lower ourselves in the way we conduct ourselves in response to that. We have people here calling them c***s - to me that is unacceptable and won't be tolerated. We have to represent ourselves in a way that befits Michael, think of all the grace and dignity he had. In my opinion we should aspire to be like him and just be more respectful in the choice of language we use. I'm not asking people to love them, just to think how this community wants to be perceived. We're better than that, surely? :flowers:

Memefan - That is something that has been thought about, but then it would spill all over the board and it's just not something we want to happen. Better to keep it here in one section, then people can completely ignore it if they prefer.

 

[morsmordre]

Being a newer fan, I don't really know much about the Jacksons. Since I've become a fan though, I've learnt little bits here and there but I don't have that long history of dislike that some of you do. I also haven't read all (or most) of this forum so that might change But right now, because of what I've heard about some of them, I don't think they're saints.. but I don't hate them. Every family has shady people.

 

[bluetopez]

Of course we will never know the Jacksons 100% that would be impossible to do, like it would be for any one we never met! Like DUH!

But, it's the things that they do let the public in on, is where some of are not so pleasant comments come from, obviously! Some of what they do lot's of us don't agree on! And for me if I don't like something they say or do especially against MJ (which they are very guilty of doing already) I will say something about it!

 

[blankyluvdoodoo]

when it comes to mj3 ,my blood boils literally,as fan we feel helpless that where anger comes from .we are helpless when it comes to those 3 innocent children,we knew mj was strong ,he knew all shady people ,he protected his children from all this mess but know as if these 3 are thrown on street ,they have to protect them self and we can just watch ,can't tell them or help them ,just pray for them and pray that they will be matured very fast ,sadly which was the last thing on their fathers mind.they don't know wolf in sheep clothing ,which is hurting us most.after all they are legacy of Michael Jackson.
i don't hate them but i am done with them.

 

[kindofdisco]

I hope some of you will come back and read what you've said here in a few years time when you've cleared your heads. I am just so disgusted. You call the Jacksons out for their behaviour and just sit back and pretend that michael never did anything wrong. For whomever called janet names, do you not remember that michael berated her for most of her teen years and called her fat? Told her she would never make it in the business if she didn't lose weight? No wonder they tried to change themselves so much, to me it seems the whole family was based on hurting each other and low self esteem. I feel bad for each and every one of the jacksons. They can't have had an easy upbringing if their behaviour since is anything to go by.

 

[JMie]

I hope some of you will come back and read what you've said here in a few years time when you've cleared your heads. I am just so disgusted. You call the Jacksons out for their behaviour and just sit back and pretend that michael never did anything wrong. For whomever called janet names, do you not remember that michael berated her for most of her teen years and called her fat? Told her she would never make it in the business if she didn't lose weight? No wonder they tried to change themselves so much, to me it seems the whole family was based on hurting each other and low self esteem. I feel bad for each and every one of the jacksons. They can't have had an easy upbringing if their behaviour since is anything to go by.

yeah, let's bash Michael shall we? after all you already put all kinds of labels on him like calling him an addict etc in a different thread. smdh

 

[kindofdisco]

Edited by StaceyMJ -drug addict discussion-

I've been in the MJ community on various boards since 2008, I've been around the loop and back again over people's issues with the Jacksons. It gets tiresome after a while, it really does. I wish people would express their opinions without resorting childish name calling and spreading hate. If you don't agree with what the Jacksons have done, then so be it. Don't call them names, don't spread negative and damn, don't think your opinion is the only one out there. Respect others, and respect Michael's family. They were there in the midst of it, we weren't. They know Michael better than we did. We did not know him on a personal level.

 

[diana79]

The Jacksons are just like everyone else on earth. Sometimes they make bad decisions and mistakes. No one is perfect.

So, while I do disagree with some of the decisions that some family members have made, I certainly don't hate or even dislike any of them. I don't know any of them, and I don't know all of the details regarding the decisions that they've made. It's easy to judge them from afar, but things might look different if you were in their shoes.

 

[kindofdisco]

The Jacksons are just like everyone else on earth. Sometimes they make bad decisions and mistakes. No one is perfect.

So, while I do disagree with some of the decisions that some family members have made, I certainly don't hate or even dislike any of them. I don't know any of them, and I don't know all of the details regarding the decisions that they've made. It's easy to judge them from afar, but things might look different if you were in their shoes.

Perfect post.

 

[4u_n_4me]

I respect The Jackson family, even Joseph and especially Katherine.

 

[bluetopez]

Yea MJ called Janet fat! But, how does that compare to some of what members of his family has called and done to him? Like calling him a drug addict, saying his solo career was by luck, and that he changed his skin on purpose? It doesn't! But, nice try! lol

Like, I said I don't hate them but, I will judge them and comment when I hear B.S that come out of there mouths like this! Especially, when they keep living off his money, and some are using his own kids to get that money!

 

[euadoropao2]

Oh right, because I'm on a Michael Jackson fan board because I just hate him SO much. Ahuh, that makes complete sense. I would never label MJ, I've stated at least four times in that other thread that there is a distinct difference between people's general view of a "drug addict" and what I believe MJ was. Being an addict doesn't make you a bad person, and I certainly do not mean that he was going after drugs to get a "high" or a "low" or whatever. It was a coping mechanism, and I fully understand why he did it. Anyway, this is not the thread for that and I will not get into that argument again.

I've been in the MJ community on various boards since 2008, I've been around the loop and back again over people's issues with the Jacksons. It gets tiresome after a while, it really does. I wish people would express their opinions without resorting childish name calling and spreading hate. If you don't agree with what the Jacksons have done, then so be it. Don't call them names, don't spread negative and damn, don't think your opinion is the only one out there. Respect others, and respect Michael's family. They were there in the midst of it, we weren't. They know Michael better than we did. We did not know him on a personal level.

I just reported you for calling MJ an addict.

If people who criticize the family get banned, you should as well. Time for the moderators to act fairly and get out of the Jacksons' butt.

 

[Memefan]

Oh right, because I'm on a Michael Jackson fan board because I just hate him SO much. Ahuh, that makes complete sense. I would never label MJ, I've stated at least four times in that other thread that there is a distinct difference between people's general view of a "drug addict" and what I believe MJ was. Being an addict doesn't make you a bad person, and I certainly do not mean that he was going after drugs to get a "high" or a "low" or whatever. It was a coping mechanism, and I fully understand why he did it. Anyway, this is not the thread for that and I will not get into that argument again.

I've been in the MJ community on various boards since 2008, I've been around the loop and back again over people's issues with the Jacksons. It gets tiresome after a while, it really does. I wish people would express their opinions without resorting childish name calling and spreading hate. If you don't agree with what the Jacksons have done, then so be it. Don't call them names, don't spread negative and damn, don't think your opinion is the only one out there. Respect others, and respect Michael's family. They were there in the midst of it, we weren't. They know Michael better than we did. We did not know him on a personal level.

Only fools would respect the Jacksons. They are bottom feeders....no other way to put it.

Michael stayed away...and I applaud him for that. It must have been hard for him to come to the realization that the bottom feeders he was blood-related with ...were just as bad as those he was firing left and right.

He spent his adult life looking for a replacement in the Cascios, The Barnes and a host of other "family of love" to fulfil what his "family of greed" couldn't.

 

[teli-mj]

I hope some of you will come back and read what you've said here in a few years time when you've cleared your heads. I am just so disgusted. You call the Jacksons out for their behaviour and just sit back and pretend that michael never did anything wrong. For whomever called janet names, do you not remember that michael berated her for most of her teen years and called her fat? Told her she would never make it in the business if she didn't lose weight? No wonder they tried to change themselves so much, to me it seems the whole family was based on hurting each other and low self esteem. I feel bad for each and every one of the jacksons. They can't have had an easy upbringing if their behaviour since is anything to go by.

It wasn't only Mike who called Janet names so why you focus on him only? Her other brothers called her names also so again why do you focus on MJ only?

 

[ilmjj]

^ Then you need to learn to separate yourself from Michael, as harsh as that sounds. Because none of us here were a part/are a part of his family, we weren't there to know what happened. We don't know the level of "agony" or sadness or whatever he truly experienced. All we know is what they show to the public, or what Michael has chosen to say in interviews.

Well I think that is harsh and if I did separate myself from my feelings for Michael it probably mean I no longer have a heart.

I was 12 years old in 1988 and I was crazy for Michael. I drove my family nuts but they love me so they joined in my fun! For a Christmas/Birthday present I was given tickets for the Bad tour in Kansas City and Chicago(home is southwest side)
My parents took me to the KC show and I joined in a group that waited for Michael. He stopped and said hello to our small group and I introduced myself and my parents.

My 2 older brothers took me to the Rosemont show and I have no words to describe how I felt. Just MAGIC...
To my brothers horror I insisted we join the group trying to find Michael and we did!!! We were screaming when he passed us and the angels were with me because he found my face in the group and a huge smile appeared on his face and he pointed his finger at me and said "Hello Susan" . Even my brothers were dying!!

I have never met anybody like Michael Jackson in my life. I often think that there are 6 billion people on this planet and yet he is one of only a few whose light has shone so bright.
You can call me crazy all you want but I can feel that his light is gone from this planet.
I am rambling and I am sorry but I just had to say my allegiance is and always will be to Michael Jackson and now his children.

 

[justnat]

Only fools would respect the Jacksons.

Let's agree to disagree on this one?

 

[euadoropao2]

Let's agree to disagree on this one?

Meme is right. So, I, common sense and values don't agree on disagreeing.

 

[StaceyMJ]

I just reported you for calling MJ an addict.

If people who criticize the family get banned, you should as well. Time for the moderators to act fairly and get out of the Jacksons' butt.

Excuse me? If you'd like to elaborate on that with a PM to me I'd be grateful. Thanks.

As for drug addict talk, not tolerated in any way, shape or form. It's not welcome here so please refrain.

 

[xthunderx2]

Well I think that is harsh and if I did separate myself from my feelings for Michael it probably mean I no longer have a heart.

I was 12 years old in 1988 and I was crazy for Michael. I drove my family nuts but they love me so they joined in my fun! For a Christmas/Birthday present I was given tickets for the Bad tour in Kansas City and Chicago(home is southwest side)
My parents took me to the KC show and I joined in a group that waited for Michael. He stopped and said hello to our small group and I introduced myself and my parents.

My 2 older brothers took me to the Rosemont show and I have no words to describe how I felt. Just MAGIC...
To my brothers horror I insisted we join the group trying to find Michael and we did!!! We were screaming when he passed us and the angels were with me because he found my face in the group and a huge smile appeared on his face and he pointed his finger at me and said "Hello Susan" . Even my brothers were dying!!

I have never met anybody like Michael Jackson in my life. I often think that there are 6 billion people on this planet and yet he is one of only a few whose light has shone so bright.
You can call me crazy all you want but I can feel that his light is gone from this planet.
I am rambling and I am sorry but I just had to say my allegiance is and always will be to Michael Jackson and now his children.

this is a beautiful post..thank you for sharing your story..

 

[StaceyMJ]

Well I think that is harsh and if I did separate myself from my feelings for Michael it probably mean I no longer have a heart.

I was 12 years old in 1988 and I was crazy for Michael. I drove my family nuts but they love me so they joined in my fun! For a Christmas/Birthday present I was given tickets for the Bad tour in Kansas City and Chicago(home is southwest side)
My parents took me to the KC show and I joined in a group that waited for Michael. He stopped and said hello to our small group and I introduced myself and my parents.

My 2 older brothers took me to the Rosemont show and I have no words to describe how I felt. Just MAGIC...
To my brothers horror I insisted we join the group trying to find Michael and we did!!! We were screaming when he passed us and the angels were with me because he found my face in the group and a huge smile appeared on his face and he pointed his finger at me and said "Hello Susan" . Even my brothers were dying!!

I have never met anybody like Michael Jackson in my life. I often think that there are 6 billion people on this planet and yet he is one of only a few whose light has shone so bright.
You can call me crazy all you want but I can feel that his light is gone from this planet.
I am rambling and I am sorry but I just had to say my allegiance is and always will be to Michael Jackson and now his children.

Wow that is such a gorgeous story! :wub: You are VERY lucky!

 

[gerryevans]

Well I think that is harsh and if I did separate myself from my feelings for Michael it probably mean I no longer have a heart.

I was 12 years old in 1988 and I was crazy for Michael. I drove my family nuts but they love me so they joined in my fun! For a Christmas/Birthday present I was given tickets for the Bad tour in Kansas City and Chicago(home is southwest side)
My parents took me to the KC show and I joined in a group that waited for Michael. He stopped and said hello to our small group and I introduced myself and my parents.

My 2 older brothers took me to the Rosemont show and I have no words to describe how I felt. Just MAGIC...
To my brothers horror I insisted we join the group trying to find Michael and we did!!! We were screaming when he passed us and the angels were with me because he found my face in the group and a huge smile appeared on his face and he pointed his finger at me and said "Hello Susan" . Even my brothers were dying!!

I have never met anybody like Michael Jackson in my life. I often think that there are 6 billion people on this planet and yet he is one of only a few whose light has shone so bright.
You can call me crazy all you want but I can feel that his light is gone from this planet.
I am rambling and I am sorry but I just had to say my allegiance is and always will be to Michael Jackson and now his children.

What a beautiful post. Thank you so much for sharing.

And he remembered your name. Wow!!! I don't think my feet would have touched the ground for a minimum of a year if I'd had that experience. The problem would have been me remembering my name to tell it to him in the first place.

I so agree with you about MJ's "light". The connection many felt with him has nothing to do with DNA. What made him the spiritual light he was is the fact that he did greatly impact and touch so many of us with that light--even though we never had a one on one with him or a famlilal tie. That was his magic. I will never completely understand the effect he had on me and still does, and don't care to understand it anymore. I just feel fortunate to have experienced it. You did not ramble at all. Your feelings are totally relatable and I've come to realize where MJ is concerned, completely normal.