I WAS RIGHT - Jackson Brothers and A&E at the "AfterParty"

[Mechi]

I pledge not to watch one SECOND of any "Jacksons reality show."

Let me sign on this pledge also!!! easily.

I also pledge that I will also ALWAYS do all I can to support his three children!
I am also willing not to act disrespectful towards anyone of his family so I will not say more to this.

 

[claire64]

some people on here have done an awful lot of resurch into MJ and the Jackson family and i commend them for it. its good to have knowledge about what is being discussed but i just have something to say.....
did anyone ever hear Michael being disrespectful to anyone, name calling or bad mouthing anyone or just mindlessly gossiping in general? i don't know for sure but i'm guessing not. i'm wondering what he would think of his fans talking about his family like this.
i have my own thoughts and opinions on things at the moment but i don't feel the need to be bashing MJ's family. i find it very disrespectful .

 

[Oceangirl]

the problem is MJ's legacy and his kids' fateare in their hands right now , when MJ was alive they were doing things in private , they were selling stories , but at least when MJ heard about it they would hurry to deny anything and everything . Now it seems they are free finally to do what they want and unfortunately everything they do is centered around MJ . yes they were beside him when he faced the charges , but we also were there when it mattered , MJ did not owe us anything we chose to support him , but now his family is taking advantage of him , they are selling stories left and right to the same people who destroyed him , they are inviting people who called mj everything under the sun to his funeral and presenting them as friends fueling the believe that they were indeed the sources behind the rumours these people spread about mj which contributed to his death . they are introducing people who stole , blackmailed and lied about mj as friends . why do you want us to think highly of them when the people we hated for years for hurting mj are surfing now as friends of his family , are welcomed and considered very close and spokepersons . why?

 

[justyna]

Why am I replaying Hamlet in my mind when think about Michael & his life?

Don't You think it's more like King Lear?

 

[claire64]

i'm not asking anyone to think highly of them. just stop all this name calling. just i would never never ever use the term Jac*o as i hate it just as Michael did, also think using Jerksons is distasteful.
your very well informed and i don't dispute the things you post here.............
ohhh bum, i don't want to argue.. *sigh*

 

[johnlucas]

Exactly! There is no confirmation wether this is true other than TMZ! Why not just wait, before condemning the Jacksons? And if it it is mentioned on their reality show, then so what? This is sad reality! If they are doing a reality show on them it's something that has affected their life and it's only natural that it's gonna be mentioned!

As for selling the funeral on DVD, well, no confirmation either! Let's just wait before getting mad at them!

I'm really getting sick and tired of people, partly for wrong reasons, critisicing the family!

Some fans here need to listen to the HIStory album again.
There's a song called Tabloid Junkie written by Michael.

TMZ??? The same site who put out a report claiming that not only was Michael not the biological father of his children but that Debbie Rowe was not the biological mother too???

Tabloid media is the mainstream media now.
And fans are obviously just as susceptible to these reports despite claims to the contrary.

I reiterate some profound lyrics.

Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on a TV screen
Don't make it factual

Though everybody wants to read all about it!

Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on a TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual

Fans need to stop this spectacle
John Lucas

 

[johnlucas]

I'm just gonna post here what I posted in another thread...

First let me please explain.. I don't like ppl saying that it's an afterparty because it's NOT. It's called a repast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repast

From wikipedia:

a meal, and sometimes prayer following a funeral, common in the Southern United States

It's something Black Americans have done traditionally following a funeral. It's a time for friends and family to gather, eat, remember their loved one who's just passed and catch up on each other's lives. It is NOT an afterparty.

Jut an FYI.

NO comment really on the footage being used for the A&E show. I'll come back later and comment on that... but I just didn't want ppl to think this was really an AFTERPARTY. That's not what it is..

Educate these fans, please.
Michael Jackson was a Black American.

I'm a Black American too & this is what many Black families do after a funeral. It's what I did at the funerals of my family members.

I think the international base has to better recognize Michael's culture. Yes, he was a world star but this world star was still a Black American. African-American. Afro-American. Negro. Colored. An African Diaspora descendant.

And too many fans are too quick to criticize this family without even knowing what A&E are there for. And don't even know the facts of the entire situation. Going off the handle on a TMZ report.

Michael belonged to his family before he belonged to us. Family before fans. Keep that in mind.
John Lucas

 

[shimar]

Yeah, King Lear too...hmmm, would Cordelia be Michael?

I meant Hamlet because Michael is the King who died, Claudius is Jermaine, Gertrude is Katherine.

Or more like the Lion King version, Scar is Jermaine, Mufasa is Michael, Sarabi is Katherine.

Who is Hamlet/Simba? Could be his children as well as his fans.

Don't You think it's more like King Lear?

 

[Oceangirl]

sorry , to your disappointment we are reading actual court documents .

 

[shimar]

Understand that we are not critiquing the actual repast, that is a standard all over ther world where people gather after a loved one is buried.

But to have A&E Cameras filming it all - to make such a spectacle, I call it grief porn, to resell to A&E and Micheal's fans via DVDs, while claiming that this was a "private funeral, fans keep out" is hypocritical and heinous.

Educate these fans, please.
Michael Jackson was a Black American.

I'm a Black American too & this is what many Black families do after a funeral. It's what I did at the funerals of my family members.

I think the international base has to better recognize Michael's culture. Yes, he was a world star but this world star was still a Black American. African-American. Afro-American. Negro. Colored. An African Diaspora descendant.

And too many fans are too quick to criticize this family without even knowing what A&E are there for. And don't even know the facts of the entire situation. Going off the handle on a TMZ report.

Michael belonged to his family before he belonged to us. Family before fans. Keep that in mind.
John Lucas

 

[Oceangirl]

the family's fans should accept the fact that as long as they continue their exploting of him , we will not shut up .

 

[shimar]

AMEN, Oceangirl!

Anything, any project that goes directly to benefit the MJ legacy and where his children and MJ charities are benefiting, then I will support them.

This A&E special does not benefit MJs babies, nor any of MJs favorite charities; it only exploits his death.

the family's fans should accept the fact that as long as they continue their exploting of him , we will not shut up .

 

[MichaelsBlackPanther79]

I pledge not to watch one SECOND of any "Jacksons reality show." I know some feel supportive of Michael's family -- because they are his family. I don't. Some caused Michael a lot of grief, in life. I feel love for Michael's children, because they deserve it and were his joy in life, and I prettty much respect Katherine, because she lost a son. For the rest of 'em. . . whatever happens.. .. . fine. I just think that if they want jobs/careers, they should do it using their OWN names and whatever talent they have, but leave Michael out of it. IMHO, not one of them, except Janet, has done anything noteworthy since they were The Jacksons. And that's it.

(I simply cannnot BELIEVE that Jermaine is trying to sell HIS verion of ""Cry" on I-Tunes. Well then, good LUCK.)

Huh? Didn't doesn't he have his own version of "smile" too? If so this is getting ridiculous..

 

[DieAlteHexe]

Not just a southern U.S. custom. Is done here regularly (Germany) and from what I am told it almost always is done at a restaurant. Too, my family (Scots/Welsh/Irish) did the same thing (western & central U.S.) but didn't hold it at a restaurant, we did it at home. Neighbours would bring covered dishes and there would be a sit down meal followed by story telling about the deceased (and usually a bit of liquor to toast the deceased).

I was surprised to see how many people thought this was "odd", honestly.

DAH

I'm just gonna post here what I posted in another thread...

First let me please explain.. I don't like ppl saying that it's an afterparty because it's NOT. It's called a repast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repast

From wikipedia:

a meal, and sometimes prayer following a funeral, common in the Southern United States

It's something Black Americans have done traditionally following a funeral. It's a time for friends and family to gather, eat, remember their loved one who's just passed and catch up on each other's lives. It is NOT an afterparty.

Jut an FYI.

NO comment really on the footage being used for the A&E show. I'll come back later and comment on that... but I just didn't want ppl to think this was really an AFTERPARTY. That's not what it is..

 

[Adore]

Yeah, King Lear too...hmmm, would Cordelia be Michael?

I meant Hamlet because Michael is the King who died, Claudius is Jermaine, Gertrude is Katherine.

Or more like the Lion King version, Scar is Jermaine, Mufasa is Michael, Sarabi is Katherine.

Who is Hamlet/Simba? Could be his children as well as his fans.

um... Remind me of the part in all of this where Jermaine murdered Michael?

 

[Oceangirl]

Word to the BADD.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

ot just a southern U.S. custom. Is done here regularly (Germany) and from what I am told it almost always is done at a restaurant. Too, my family (Scots/Welsh/Irish) did the same thing (western & central U.S.) but didn't hold it at a restaurant, we did it at home. Neighbours would bring covered dishes and there would be a sit down meal followed by story telling about the deceased (and usually a bit of liquor to toast the deceased).

I was surprised to see how many people thought this was "odd", honestly.

yeah same here. i think its done prettty much by everyone. normally going back to someones house for tea and cake or something. when my granmother died we went back to her care home aftewards and had sandwiches and what not

 

[Oceangirl]

What is the story behind "Word to the Badd!"?In November 1991, a new single, "Word to the Badd!", by Jermaine Jackson was leaked to Los Angeles radio station KPWR. The DJ began to play the single continuously in alternation with MJ's new single "Black or White". The lyrics were a no-holds-barred attack on Michael. They read, in part: Reconstructed
Been abducted
Don't know who you are...
Once you were made
You changed your shade
Was your color wrong?
Could not turn back
It's a known fact
You were too far gone
The broadside caused shock and controversy in the media and the public. Jermaine explained on the UK network TV program "Rapido": "I tried to put some phone calls to him and I didn't get a reply...it's a number of things but it's nothing we couldn't work out, had we spoken, but I wasn't granted an opportunity from his people to speak to him...the overall message is an older brother telling his younger brother to get back to reality...you have done it to the ultimate level, but you're still a person."
According to Margaret Maldonado, his former common-law wife, Jermaine wrote the song when he became enraged that his producers, L.A. Reid and Babyface, postponed work on his next album in order to work with Michael on Dangerous. Jermaine was unable to reach MJ by phone to confront him over the postponement, so he conceived a plan to put Michael in his place and at the same time draw attention to his own album.
The morning after the song began to air, MJ appeared at Hayvenhurst to demand an explanation. Contrary to some reports, he did not attempt to attack his brother physically over the insult but instead went into a room with him to discuss the matter, with mother Katherine mediating. Maldonado reports that after the meeting Katherine told her that Jermaine had refused to apologize, though Michael was deeply hurt. MJ begged his brother to withdraw the single, since his own fans would not care, but Jermaine's career would be ruined. Unwisely, Jermaine did not, and although the version of "Word to the Badd!" that appeared on his album did not contain the acid lyrics, the single and album were commercial failures due to public contempt over the cynical attack on Michael. Jermaine was dropped from his Arista contract soon after and remains unsigned to any label.
(from A Visual Documentary, Jackson Family Values)

 

[Adore]

Word to the BADD.

Oh please. No one outside of MJ fans know or care about that song so it hardly damaged Michael's 'reputation'. And it was 18 years ago for christs sake. Michael had Jermaine there at the trial with him, when it mattered most. Jermaine was there for Michael in his hour of need and Michael obviously didn't care about something as petty as a song otherwise he wouldn't have him around. If MJ didn't care why should you?

 

[XxWelshFanxX]

I just don't know what to think any more.

 

[shimar]

I said it reminds me of Hamlet, more of the nuanced attitudes and character attitudes/behaviors, and of course I know that.

Does everything have to be so literal?

um... Remind me of the part in all of this where Jermaine murdered Michael?

 

[Autumn II]

Word to the Badd was simply vicious. It must have caused Michael terrible pain, even to remember it in subsequent years. I don't know what kind of relationship Michael and Jermaine had, afterward, but it surely didn't help. Michael NEVER would have done such a thing. . . . . .

 

[WeAreTheWorld]

Out of respect for Michael... No comment to any of this. But seriously. The world is insane.

 

[butterflies]

This blows. Using Michael to get people to tune in.

Honestly, that's all they've ever done. He knew it too. That is why he tried to distance himself from them and never wanted to tour with them. He did NOT want the reunion tour, and we all knew it. With the exception of his mom, Janet, Rebbie and maybe one or two of the brothers, they have all ridden his coattails, tried to use his name to make one for themselves and to make money off of him. Shame on them. To do something like this??? It's funny because after he died, they said that it was harder on them because he was their FAMILY. Well, I'm not so sure about that. Just because someone is family doesn't mean they automatically love you like they should or treat you as they should. They are a perfect example. And I don't want people to say I'm mean for saying that because it's the truth. I will not watch their show.

 

[Kizmic]

Educate these fans, please.
Michael Jackson was a Black American.

I'm a Black American too & this is what many Black families do after a funeral. It's what I did at the funerals of my family members.

I think the international base has to better recognize Michael's culture. Yes, he was a world star but this world star was still a Black American. African-American. Afro-American. Negro. Colored. An African Diaspora descendant.

And too many fans are too quick to criticize this family without even knowing what A&E are there for. And don't even know the facts of the entire situation. Going off the handle on a TMZ report.

Michael belonged to his family before he belonged to us. Family before fans. Keep that in mind.
John Lucas

I didn't know it was exclusively for black americans because I've seen white funerals and families did the same thing.

 

[Autumn II]

I didn't know it was exclusively for black americans because I've seen white funerals and families did the same thing.

I've lived in the Deep South of the U.S., and it's customary for white families, and black families, to do this. And in other parts of the U.S. too, and among other ethnicities.

It's not the fact of an "after-party" that's troubling to some. It's the idea that footage of this might be used for profit.

 

[Adore]

Word to the Badd was simply vicious. It must have caused Michael terrible pain, even to remember it in subsequent years. I don't know what kind of relationship Michael and Jermaine had, afterward, but it surely didn't help. Michael NEVER would have done such a thing. . . . . .

oh well? What do you want me to say? Maybe you think it was 'simply vicious'. You don't speak for Michael though. Michael even had respect for Eminem at the end of the day, and he's not even his brother. I still don't think it's that big of a deal. People talk smack about their family all the time, but if you talk smack about their family they'll be first in line to set you straight. This is all speculation anyway, fact is neither you or I know what Michael thought about Jermaine or vice versa. All I know is Jermaine was there when it mattered, so I don't see what happened over a decade previous mattered all that much in 2009 when they had clearly put all that behind them. People grow up and move on. Like I said, if Michael didn't seem to care, I don't see why it should bother you so much.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

I didn't know it was exclusively for black americans because I've seen white funerals and families did the same thing.

yeah it seems everyone does it all over the world whatever race etc

 

[Oceangirl]

yeah , MJ seemed not to care that's why the poor man needed propofol to sleep .

 

[butterflies]

LMAO! And people were saying Latoya's "tribute" was sincere and sweet! ***** please!! It was just another attempt for 15 minutes of fame! Open your eyes!

Just like Jermaine, singing "Smile" at the memorial. I think it was more for him than Michael. But, I could be wrong. I hope I am.