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How did Michael feel about groupies ?

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Well....what do you think ?
I was watching Dirty Diana the other day and that got me thinking.
It seems to me that he did not like that kind of behaviour but it"s like he also found it tempting in a way.
You have lyrics like " the girl is bad, the girl is dangerous.." and some others.
We can only imagine with how many groupies he had to deal with ..waiting for him..folowing him...seducing him.
I remember I read an article a looooong time ago ( when he was on Bad tour ) . One girl ( I don"t remember her name ) said she was with Michael. She said they have spend about 2 hours together and that was the most passionate experience in her life.:evil:( true or not, we can only guess.)
She was a beautiful brown hair girl with a lovely body, a dancer.
( don"t ask for the link...it was more than 20 years ago..:D)
I somehow think that Michael was intrigueed by that.
Did he ever ? Did he ever wanted to ?
 
I think he had a paradoxical attitude towards groupies. On the one hand, he's expressed his fear of them, and has stated he felt overwhelmed by their presence, especially in his younger years. On the other hand, there's the borderline fascination with them, which comes out in songs like "Dangerous" and "Dirty Diana." The way he paints them is not entirely negative. They're not evil per se, but they are seductresses, beautiful dark goddesses looking to hook up with men at strange hours of the night, in dark places like backstage at concerts, clubs, etc. It's fearful fascination, if nothing else--both of those songs have very vivid scenarios, it's almost as if he is dissecting the events as they occur, attempting to comprehend the beautiful yet dangerous creatures who fascinate him so.

Yet, he obviously longed for a connection deeper than just lust, which could explain why he thought of them as 'bad' and 'dangerous.' It would be bad and dangerous to emotionally invest in a relationship with someone who, in the end, is just trying to seduce you and only wants you 'because you're Michael Jackson.' There would be a very slim chance of developing an intimate connection with a groupie--yet the fact that these ladies are willing to 'follow' him, cross country and across the world sometimes, is incomprehensible to most, and certainly fascinating.
 
LOL at that video.

I think anyone who has to deal with or who has dealt with groupies has been intrigued to do something with them. It's human nature :p But I don't think Mike would've really wanted to because he had seen/been around groupies since he was a boy so I could see it being "nothing new" to him. I dunno if that makes sense
 
morsmordre said:
LOL at that video.

I think anyone who has to deal with or who has dealt with groupies has been intrigued to do something with them. It's human nature :p But I don't think Mike would've really wanted to because he had seen/been around groupies since he was a boy so I could see it being "nothing new" to him. I dunno if that makes sense
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I don't know if it's Human Nature. Everyone is different....
Personally I think Michael was intrigued by groupies, maybe even flirted with (some of) them.....but when things got hot he would back off. :lol:

I really, really don't believe he has ever slept with a groupie (sorry to put it so bluntly)....because he respected himself too much.
 
Dutchie said:
I don't know if it's Human Nature. Everyone is different....
Personally I think Michael was intrigued by groupies, maybe even flirted with (some of) them.....but when things got hot he would back off. :lol:

I really, really don't believe he has ever slept with a groupie (sorry to put it so bluntly)....because he respected himself too much.
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I don't believe so either. But I have witnessed several girls on other boards and on YouTube who try to make MJ seem like a man-whore lol, they jump on any story that says MJ slept with so-and-so, kinda sad :lol:
 
LindavG said:
I don't believe so either. But I have witnessed several girls on other boards and on YouTube who try to make MJ seem like a man-whore lol, they jump on any story that says MJ slept with so-and-so, kinda sad :lol:
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yeah, sad.
MJ was really clear about his values and he certainly took care of not crossing the line.

Billie Jean is quite clear, isn't it?

"because a lie becomes a true"...
 
Dutchie said:
I don't know if it's Human Nature. Everyone is different....
Personally I think Michael was intrigued by groupies, maybe even flirted with (some of) them.....but when things got hot he would back off. :lol:

I really, really don't believe he has ever slept with a groupie (sorry to put it so bluntly)....because he respected himself too much.
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I don't mean that it's human nature to sleep with groupies, just that it's human nature to be intrigued by them. I mean these people are throwing themselves at you.. most people would be curious you know?

I don't believe he did anything with groupies just by how he's spoken about them
 
He used to fear the aggressive ones when he was younger but came to appreciate them later on. And he made this known by letting them come up the stage and have the opportunity to get real close with him. I sometimes feel embarrassed with the almost pornographic gyrations of the bolder ones as they embraced him onstage but I guess they can't help themselves. I just look away until the bodyguard takes them away. I think the most famous groupie of all is Joanna Thomae who had the opportunity to stay at Neverland and had a close relationship with Mike until she got booted out for fooling around with Frank Cascio, supposedly.
 
betseyby67 said:
He used to fear the aggressive ones when he was younger but came to appreciate them later on. And he made this known by letting them come up the stage and have the opportunity to get real close with him.
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Those weren't groupies, just fans selected by him to join him on stage.

betseyby67 said:
I think the most famous groupie of all is Joanna Thomae who had the opportunity to stay at Neverland and had a close relationship with Mike until she got booted out for fooling around with Frank Cascio, supposedly.
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She claimed to have been close to him, and made sure she appeared in photos with Joseph Jackson even. She was a stalkerish fan, later making fun of him online on her myspace page with a friend of hers after she got asked to leave.
 
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That voyeuristic site is creepy, and there's another one similar to that, not a forum, but basically the owner of it is obsessed with every detail of Michael's intimate life and grasping at straws at times a whole lot.

One thing that's for sure is that he didn't like aggressive people, but quiet ones that weren't phased by his celebrity status, his own words. He loved women, but him being hospitable and kind to all people, incl fans, also determined many erroneous interpretations of that on behalf of others. He could be seen carrying a photo of a woman in his hand, and many already thought, 'Oh, that's his girlfriend', or when he hugged one. Whatever he did, it was bound to be sliced and diced and the curiosity would extend toward his private life to the extreme, like analysing the porn he had at home that he never intended for it to go public. ..His every strand of hair and shirt crease and lip motion. Beyond creepy.... I remember shortly after he... died, things got extremely crazy, a burst of hysteria at time related to all MJ-private matters (not even referring to medical info at this point). Like that was the first thing to concern oneself with...
 
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His private life is allways a hot topic. Who was his girlfriend ? Did they ....?
There was never so much disagreement about any other famous person, by his fans.
And some of them go to an exterme..big time. Some say he was totaly asexual and that all of his moves were just an act. I find that very funny. Nobody can act that good. :)
I am not saying what he did but he was ( how I hate past tense :( ) a very, sexy man.
Imagining him being with a groupie....why not. A man has his needs...
 
zpredra5 said:
His private life is allways a hot topic. Who was his girlfriend ? Did they ....?
There was never so much disagreement about any other famous person, by his fans.
And some of them go to an exterme..big time. Some say he was totaly asexual and that all of his moves were just an act. I find that very funny. Nobody can act that good. :)
I am not saying what he did but he was ( how I hate past tense :( ) a very, sexy man.
Imagining him being with a groupie....why not. A man has his needs...
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Me too, I considered his moves to probably be an act. Til the day I learned about his porns. There are no more questions left.
Yes, I can imagine him meeting groupies. But alway with that "be careful who you love
 
Sorry, wrong button.

...with that "be careful who you love" attitude in mind.
And I'm sure he was smart enough to keep it private.
 
It's sad when a stash of pornography determines whether a man is interested in women.
 
^^^^
I understand what are you saying. But most of the people believed tabloids. You know what they were saying about him....I"m not gonna go there.
Even when those things came out, some still don"t believe he was a red blooded man.
They were and are brainwashed. Strange.
 
Petrarose said:
It's sad when a stash of pornography determines whether a man is interested in women.
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Totally.

As if..


Not only that, but many called him a womanizer Because of that. 0..0 And it was determined on a very good investigative MJ website that some of those mags were informative, won't elaborate on this, but the conclusion was that Michael, as curious and knowledge seeker as he was, he found information in many things, including anatomy. Didn't he say he used to be an observer of live brain surgeries in the OR?.. Or was that LaToya..? Anyway..

Not to mention, that people need to remember his words that he and his brothers would be taken to perform at strip clubs and seeing naked women and drag queens with oranges instead of breasts and fake blond hair that shocked him. Or that he ahd access to Playboy mags as a kid. And the groupie songs that show a mix of interest combined with critic on his behalf is also a clue to understand his frustration. So, it's only normal to show some interest in the things you were exposed to / abused with since a child. He kept them hidden for a purpose, so that people won't find out about it and talk/speculate about it as it would happen/still happens. It's disrespectful to any human being whose privacy got invaded, brutally, like when they asked him to remove all clothes so as to 'explore' his private parts in 1993 following that brainwashed kid's false testimony, or like his Neverland Ranch was raided, invaded, raped and sullied by hungry destroyers out there to get him. THAT is how people got to find out about his 'secrets'. And because of that fact Alone, the many porn debates and sexuality speculation and drama that have followed are.. inappropriate, and one's fascination of someone else's sex life expressed publicly is unsettling, Especially since that someone happened to be one of the most private people/celebrities. It was evident Without learning of the mags that he was who he was and loved girls. If it wasn't, well, too bad, he was Not one who wanted to Prove he's a part of this or that category, so as not to offend other people, although he did say a few time he wasn't gay. When a fan asked him about the mags in 2006 when he was in a store, he showed signs of being bothered by it, saying they were made up for the trial, yet signed her autograph. Another clue that says it's not okay to discuss the booze someone has got in the house, or their porn. It was the same in that some calling him an alcoholic due to that, and I've yet to see a human being withstanding the many atrocities he had withstood without touching anything at all. There are other perfectly rational/more appropriate approaches to determine one's.. imperfection, though we're yet to see a human that is perfect. Just as we're to see another human (not saint or God), but human who was more in touch with his and children's innocence.

Just wanted to say all that. For I, personally, could care less anymore of what any disbeliever or ignorant feels/thinks about Michael. He was either a subspecies or a superhuman, very rarely was he considered an actual human being. No Matter what it's explained and demonstrated to them to counter their beliefs, they won't accept it because of their huge pride. Henceforth, no worth/need to be analysing one's intimate life like that. That most dehumanizing autopsy/public verbal/written dissection of it was the upteenth straw of the hayloft.
 
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Michael didn't liked this kind of behaviour...but he loved and respected women too much to really hate them...and anyway in his solo carrier he had fans not groupies...his fans loved him and cared about him and how he is feeling...another type of relationship...
 
Alma said:
...When a fan asked him about the mags in 2006 when he was in a store, he showed signs of being bothered by it, saying they were made up for the trial, yet signed her autograph. ...
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Oh God, did someone made up such story to show that an MJ fan must be a delusional idiot that crosses lines- because I freeze in horror just thinking somebody actually did that.

And he still signed an autograph?? That IS saintly, considering saints were human.

*still hopes this never happened*
 
Pace said:
Oh God, did someone made up such story to show that an MJ fan must be a delusional idiot that crosses lines- because I freeze in horror just thinking somebody actually did that.

And he still signed an autograph?? That IS saintly, considering saints were human.

*still hopes this never happened*
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:bugeyed
I hope that never happened!!!!
 
I'm sorry but I don't think that ever happened :D I don't buy something like "a fan told another fan" kind of story.
Plus, didn't Mesereau said MJ "freely admitted" he read those kind of mags.
This is getting off topic anyway. I should stop here :)
 
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Pace said:
Oh God, did someone made up such story to show that an MJ fan must be a delusional idiot that crosses lines- because I freeze in horror just thinking somebody actually did that.

And he still signed an autograph?? That IS saintly, considering saints were human.

*still hopes this never happened*
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Yes, this happened... I even remember the name of the person who posted her story and autograph on MJEOL, I believe, and she was a person that was ripped apart by many fans because of her.. well, audacity or less thoughtful question/comment. But I remember feeling for her, because she did blame herself for her inappropriate communication approach, and was sincere, her first time meeting him, yet she ruined it. She asked him something like, since I believe, he was in a book store: "Hey, Michael.. how about some girly magazines?" Or Something along those lines, sorry, I don't remember her exact question. To which, she said that Michael looked upset, answering simply "Made up for the trial.." Meaning that, obviously, he didn't want to be remembered of it or about how the world found he had those mags at home. She apologized to him afterwards, if I remember correctly, and asked him for an autograph, which he offered to her. But I Do particularly remember it wasn't Just an autograph he wrote, but also some further explanation like 'Don't believe all the things you read', or sth like that, to which he added sth else, most likely, "Love, MJ, or I love you"..
 
Alma said:
Yes, this happened, I am not one to make things up.. I even remember the name of the person who posted her story and autograph on MJEOL, I believe, and she was a person that was ripped apart by many fans because of her.. well, audacity or less thoughtful question/comment. But I remember feeling for her, because she did blame herself for her inappropriate communication approach, and was sincere, her first time meeting him, yet she ruined it. She asked him something like, since I believe, he was in a book store: "Hey, Michael.. how about some girly magazines?" Or Something along those lines, sorry, I don't remember her exact question. To which, she said that Michael looked upset, answering simply "Made up for the trial.." Meaning that, obviously, he didn't want to be remembered of it or about how the world found he had those mags at home. She apologized to him afterwards, if I remember correctly, and asked him for an autograph, which he offered to her. But I Do particularly remember it wasn't Just an autograph he wrote, but also some further explanation like 'Don't believe all the things you read', or sth like that, to which he added sth else, most likely, "Love, MJ, or I love you"..
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No worries, I didn't think YOU made that up, it does sound like someone made it up. It sounded to me like one of those "what would you say to him in an elevator' type threads.

To write "Don't believe all the things you read" is funny, though. :rofl:

Whatta guy to not lose it on the spot. (and if he would have, I would not hold it against him- if the story is true)

Please imagine somebody walking up to you and casually quizzing you about your porn stash. EEEEEK. He put it up with an amazing array oh #$%^. I still can't picture a fan walking up and asking that. I'd say hello and hope that in the one-in-a-million chances of forgetting to put on deodorant it wouldn't be the day of meeting Michael.
 
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"Don't believe everything you hear" also.
I doubt Mike would declare to a fan that he lied about some of the evidence used on his favor and against him at the same time.
 
She was from Italy, hence the cultural differences and speaking style on behalf of some. That fan thought she was being funny for moment, until she saw that Michael wasn't amused. She did post her sheet of paper with his message, and I remember it being heartwarming too... The God in him did wonders, for as most are saying, they wouldn't handle others being rude to them, or really daring, not to mention in such unique, extreme contexts.

And no worries, PMDC, I'd actually deleted that paranoid comment of mine before I saw your new reply, for wasn't addressed to anyone in particular, just was trying to point out that the story was real, maybe even the mentioned event.
 
I believe about the sheet of paper.
What I don't buy is he said "it was for the trial"
That would be admitting he and his attorneys lied about important evidence used in the trials.
 
No, the way she described his behavior strongly suggested he didn't like being remembered of the trial and that he didn't want to be reminded of it.
 
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