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How could Michael write "Billie Jean" if it's not about his own life?

Topflux said:
That's cool. So basically "Biilie Jean" is the same than "Dirty Diana"..?
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Billie Jean is about one person, when the Dirty Diana is about groupies.

"I wrote a song called Dirty Diana, and it's not about Lady Diana, it's about certain kinds of girls that hang around concerts or clubs. We call them groupies. I've lived in that all my life, you see these girls, they do everything with the band and everything you can imagine. So I wrote a song called Dirty Diana." MJ on Barbara Walters interview.
 
Just after all the years it's so hard to imagine with Michael. Well, he had the relationship for example with Lisa Marie, but
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Why is it so hard? Because of the way he carries himself? What is so hard for you to see MJ as a normal guy that can have relationships with women? LMP was not his only relationship. He had plenty of them it is just not in our faces like so many insecure famous people that need to show the public their significant others. A lot of his songs could be very well dealt with some personal relationships that he had in his life. Just because he is not telling people does not mean that it did not happened.
 
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That BB clip was really interesting. Imagine if MICHAEL HIMSELF was in BB. Just for a week for example. But I don't know if he would ever open up that much.

I believe 100% you can't write song lyrics you don't know about. You have to be heard well about them, read about them or then experienced yourself. You just can't write about thing you don't know about. Because if you say God gave something to you, He gives it all in the birth and all the rest has to be found out by you yourself. That my opinion, and I believe Michael as a human being is like anyone of us, not above anyone.
 
Bee said:
Why is it so hard? Because of the way he carries himself? What is so hard for you to see MJ as a normal guy that can have relationships with women? LMP was not his only relationship. He had plenty of them it is just not in our faces like so many insecure famous people that need to show the public their significant others. A lot of his songs could be very well dealt with some personal relationships that he had in his life. Just because he is not telling people does not mean that it did not happened.
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I like you Bee. Just where's your Honey. :) You write quite a well. I like these fans who are sensible in the end.
 
Fayik said:
I thought God gave it to him :rolleyes:

*waits for negative reputation and pms to flood me*
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It could be based on an experience or idea but .. Michael says

The inspiration for the lyrics and music acompanying it comes
from God ... Michale says his talent is from God _ Michael
then brings what is placed in his heart into the music ..
It is a colaboration of sorts between God and Michael
much like prayer it goes both ways .. between us and God

The idea and ispration come from hevan and then Michael
runs with that and uses his God given talent to bring it to light.
God doesnt give him an exact script - michael says he hears
a melody a beat a lyric ect ect that he believe is from above
and then he build on it and brings it to life - But is is originally
GOD Inspired ..

Anyone who has a relationship with God
knows how he places things in our heart and
we then use what is given for light ..
 
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I think some1 needs to pop in Thriller special edition and listen to Quincy again :)
 
qbee said:
The inspiration for the lyrics and music acompanying it comes
from God ... Michale says his talent is from God _ Michael
then brings waht is placed in his heart by into the music ..
It is a colaboration of sorts between God and Michael
much like prayer it goes both ways .. between us and God
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IMO Michael's talent is from God (in the birth) but all the rest he gives in his music is about experiences.. I don't believe God tells all the time what to do because if he did there wuld be no for example robbery at all..
 
Gisselle said:
He has said many times that his song writing doesn't come from him. He says he always felt a song has been written from above by some one else already. He is just lucky to be the messenger of the song.
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Yes, that's true. He's always said that, and it is also part of being a creative and good songwriter - being able to write about anything and everything. Sure, he writes songs that he can really identify with, but he also writes about other things he's seen people experience. I've heard from somewhere before that Billie Jean was possibly close to something that happened with one of his brothers. They were always very "active" with the groupies and things like that, so that might have happened with one of them.
 
From his autobiography, Moon Walk...

"Rod (Temperton) was a kindred spirit in many ways. Like me, he felt more at home singing and writing about the night life than actually going out and living it. It always surprises me when people assume that something an artist has created is based on a true experience or reflects his or her own lifestyle. Often nothing could be farther from the truth. I know I draw on my experiences at times, but I also hear and read things that trigger an idea for a song. An artist's imagination is his greatest tool. It can create a mood or feeling that people want to have, as well as transport you to a different place altogether."
 
Topflux said:
IMO Michael's talent is from God (in the birth) but all the rest he gives in his music is about experiences.. I don't believe God tells all the time what to do because if he did there wuld be no for example robbery at all..
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Exactly
that is what I just said
 
Reeta said:
What Michael has said about Billie Jean

"When I was very little, around 10 years old I used to go on these Tours with my brothers, The Jackson 5 and I hear these crazy stories that these girls would claim my brothers had relationships with them, which they didn't and that they are going to have their children. And I thought that to be so strange and so crazy. Then a couple of years later there was this girl named Billie Jean, who used to stand outside my gate and I would drive outside the gate she would say "here's the keys to our car" and she would say "here's the keys to the front door" and she would say that Im actually the father of her child, which never ever happened and that inspired the song cos the chorus goes "Billie Jean is not my lover, she just a girl who claims that I am the one, but the kid is not my son". I guess that's how it happened"
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I guess I should read the whole thread BEFORE responding, lol. But yeah, that's what I read. Where did he write that? in Moonwalk?
 
MichaelJ1988 said:
From his autobiography, Moon Walk...

"Rod (Temperton) was a kindred spirit in many ways. Like me, he felt more at home singing and writing about the night life than actually going out and living it. It always surprises me when people assume that something an artist has created is based on a true experience or reflects his or her own lifestyle. Often nothing could be farther from the truth. I know I draw on my experiences at times, but I also hear and read things that trigger an idea for a song. An artist's imagination is his greatest tool. It can create a mood or feeling that people want to have, as well as transport you to a different place altogether."
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Very Good _ thank you
NOt all MJ's songs are from personal experiences
he may place some lyrics here and there in a song
that is personal but as a whole the song may be
just like a fictional story he created to entertain ..
 
Gisselle said:
He has said many times that his song writing doesn't come from him. He says he always felt a song has been written from above by some one else already. He is just lucky to be the messenger of the song.
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Marvin Gaye said the same thing when he did What's Going On. As Mary J. says, "come with something better than that please." :lol:
 
Anyway, another story, that Quincy said, was that some crazed fan came through the Encino home and he had to escort her out or something like that. Later in the year (1981), the same fan accused Michael of being the father of ONE of her fraternal twins. :lol: Legend has it the girl had changed her name to Billie Jean and put "Jackson" in front of it as if to say she was married to him, Michael was so upset by this, he wrote the song "Not My Lover", the title changed to "Billie Jean" and the rest is music history. :lol:
 
I think that Michael saw how his brothers and dad treated women and that he decided not to be that way. He had more respect for himself and for them than to be that way with them. I think he's a sexual person and has been and wants to be with women, but I just think he's very selective about it. I don't think he's been out "cattin' around", lol. That is just my opinion though. I could be wrong.

But about his songwriting, yes it is possible for him to get inspiration from his own experiences and experiences of those around him, but then the words and melody and everything just kind of "comes to him". I think what everyone is saying is true; just a combination of things.
 
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troubleman84 said:
Anyway, another story, that Quincy said, was that some crazed fan came through the Encino home and he had to escort her out or something like that. Later in the year (1981), the same fan accused Michael of being the father of ONE of her fraternal twins. :lol: Legend has it the girl had changed her name to Billie Jean and put "Jackson" in front of it as if to say she was married to him, Michael was so upset by this, he wrote the song "Not My Lover", the title changed to "Billie Jean" and the rest is music history. :lol:
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You mean that same girl who was in headlines just years ago? So this song is about her?!
 
Topflux said:
I believe 100% you can't write song lyrics you don't know about. You have to be heard well about them, read about them or then experienced yourself. You just can't write about thing you don't know about.
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Is that right? Then what is "I Am The Walrus" about, lol? I don't think John Lennon experienced anything in that song. Led Zepplin has songs about wizards and magic, which I doubt they have any experience with. Then there's songs about killing people like in some blues, heavy metal, & gangsta rap. If it were true, I don't think they would brag about it in a song. Some songs are written about personal experiences or the experiences of people around them and other songs are just made up.
 
I think life observation can make a person write. I know alot of things because I have observed the mistakes and actions of friends, associates, and family members; I think this is what Michael does as well. I do have to get burned by fire to know that it is hot; however, I can see the reaction and look at burn victims to know that a person should not play with fire and I can write a song about it. I think now however MIchael can speak on this "billie Jean" issue. there have been a few women who have claimed he was the father of their child. Michael even took a blood test in 1988 or 89 to prove he was not the father of a 9-10 year old boy.
 
DuranDuran said:
Is that right? Then what is "I Am The Walrus" about, lol? I don't think John Lennon experienced anything in that song. Led Zepplin has songs about wizards and magic, which I doubt they have any experience with. Then there's songs about killing people like in some blues, heavy metal, & gangsta rap. If it were true, I don't think they would brag about it in a song. Some songs are written about personal experiences or the experiences of people around them and other songs are just made up.
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You don't really understand. If LJohn Lennon made a song using cocaine or if Led Zeppelin made songs about wizards they had to know about them. I mean people can't just make up things that's said if they are not things that are in their own imagination completely. I mean Billie Jean is not a thing from the outside space (you could very well think she is but obviously she is not) so it has to be something you really know about..

I think we already find an answer in this thread and it's really interesting. I'm not that keen to know if Michael had sex with her or not.
 
I think that Michael saw how his brothers and dad treated women and that he decided not to be that way. He had more respect for himself and for them than to be that way with them. I think he's a sexual person and has been and wants to be with women, but I just think he's very selective about it. I don't think he's been out "cattin' around", lol. That is just my opinion though. I could be wrong.
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You could be wrong and that is ok. :)

Who knows really? I just know what MJ said and I know the the songs that he creates and writes are some good songs.

I mean Billie Jean is not a thing from the outside space (you could very well think she is but obviously she is not) so it has to be something you really know about..
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I see what you are saying, but you do not have to necessary go through something to write about it. If you observe something crazy and whatever, then you can write about it. A lot of books, songs, tv shows were based on observations.
 
it's called empathy darling. just as shakespeare didn't have to go through what king lear had went through, or what hamlet had went through, doesn't mean he can't write it.

artists have a responsibility to know what others feel and to feel it and recreate it.
 
We heard the stories behind Billie Jean..

However to the comment about not writting songs about things you never expierenced..

Well I believe if someone like MICHAEL could SING the way he did at such a young age over things he DEFINATLY has not experienced. I doubt MJ would have an issue now WRITTING about songs he has not experienced..

Though I see what you mean.. But there are always exceptions to the rule.. U can be highly knowledgable about things you NEVER experienced.. Sometimes you don't have to live it to know it..
 
Topflux said:
You don't really understand. If LJohn Lennon made a song using cocaine or if Led Zeppelin made songs about wizards they had to know about them. I mean people can't just make up things that's said if they are not things that are in their own imagination completely. I mean Billie Jean is not a thing from the outside space (you could very well think she is but obviously she is not) so it has to be something you really know about..

I think we already find an answer in this thread and it's really interesting. I'm not that keen to know if Michael had sex with her or not.
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I Am The Walrus isn't about cocaine. It's about nothing, it's just jibberish lyrics. Do you need to know about a duck that dances to write Disco Duck? No.

troubleman84 said:
John Lennon made a song about his addiction to heroin I think. Not cocaine.
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That would be the song Cold Turkey, a solo song. He wrote the song for The Beatles, but the other 3 rejected it, so he went and recorded it himself, although he did convince Ringo to drum on it.
 
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