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Have You Met Or Got To See Michael In Person?
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^^ yup it is!!!!
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MFlower do you have any... history of crazy in your family?
everyone should make herself stay away such a comment.
it was a terriblely cold attitude, but it was also the normal reaction of a fan on a fans forum. so MFLOWER, why not quit from this forum and this memory forever? bury it forever?
life is... sometimes too much complicated and painful, without absolute "wrong or right"... just go to handle sth. you can handle, it would make you feel better.
life is going on, on and on, forever, never stop because of anyone. if you can abandon all the hurdles, then you can step forward again.
just devote on protect yourself. even if you would also protect the fans and MJ whatever you love or hate. so what?? try to balance yourself in a higher spirit level. life is.... very long, at the same time short, while we died, we would finally know some "give up" do good for us.
i don't know the truth. it doesn't matter. in real life everything might happen. because of the emotion i would also trend to MJ. but i do feel sorry for you. and i know you shouldn't stay in such a "losing balance" status any more. just... forget it. devote to yourself, your life, don't care others.
go ahead without any burden, bravely. bless......
it would be the best way to both sides.
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State of Shock made the second best comment on this thread. My thoughts exactly.
Vncwilliam - great story. I am glad that you have a roof over your head now.
I think that MFlowers opended a can of worms when she told her stories. People read, not just words, but comprehend as well. Her story has a lot of holes and it would be nice for her to tell us what happened. See, the thing is, and I can't shake it off, is that she accused MJ of a crime. I can't seem to let that go just because the woman seems nice. She said that she now believes that she met MJ in different places - she should break it down and explain how she met MJ.
It is possible that MFlowers did met MJ and she said a lot of things that I feel, are very personal. I cannot know for a fact if her story is anywhere near legit when there are so many issues with her story.
Vncwilliam - great story. I am glad that you have a roof over your head now.
I think that MFlowers opended a can of worms when she told her stories. People read, not just words, but comprehend as well. Her story has a lot of holes and it would be nice for her to tell us what happened. See, the thing is, and I can't shake it off, is that she accused MJ of a crime. I can't seem to let that go just because the woman seems nice. She said that she now believes that she met MJ in different places - she should break it down and explain how she met MJ.
It is possible that MFlowers did met MJ and she said a lot of things that I feel, are very personal. I cannot know for a fact if her story is anywhere near legit when there are so many issues with her story.
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^Well said... I agree. ..........
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yes...thanks...
it's just a litany of great things that happened to me over the three years i was homeless, until i got a roof over my head. i never had to beg for food..or anything. at times i was sleeping outside..and nobody attacked me. a lot of things happened in threes and sevens. three years homeless being the thing that stood out the most..because i have heard stories of people being out there for more than seventeen years...but a voice told me that my time on the street would last no longer than one of God's favorite and smallest numbers...so..i never felt a sense of hopelessness. don't get me wrong...i felt suffering..but, not hopelessness. this, by the way was one of three times i saw MIchael live, as of right now. twice during the trial..and, then, he was exhonerrated.
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It's a very sad story because it seems like Mflowers is pretty much saying that her husband was abusing her in front of their children.
Also, since she said "Wanna Be Startin' Something 2008" will explain her relationship with MJ, and she wants the readers of her post to do research, and since this song is clearly about a man meeting a woman that's walking down the street and how they eventually end up going to her place to spend time between the sheets, it seems like Mflowers is saying that she and MJ were seeing each other romantically while he was wearing disguises so she didn't know it was him. It also seems like she's saying she was seeing him romantically while she was married to her husband and that her husband may have known in some way.
But, I could very well be misunderstanding what she's saying since she's left out many of the details where MJ is supposed to be involved, but has instead gone into great detail about not watching television, her husband's behavior and visiting family members. And the part about the way that her husband would turn up a certain song as a way to torment her or make her feel guilty about something also makes it seem like he felt she was cheating on him with MJ. Additionally, from the way that she said her husband left for good after seeing some poster, it also seems like she's saying he left because he was deeply jealous of MJ. It's like the very presence of MJ made him feel anger towards her in some way. It's like he felt she was giving more love to MJ than to him. But, until she is willing to fill in the gaps, we won't know for sure what she's trying to say. We won't even know the reason why she put the copyright symbol at the end of her post.
Also, since she said "Wanna Be Startin' Something 2008" will explain her relationship with MJ, and she wants the readers of her post to do research, and since this song is clearly about a man meeting a woman that's walking down the street and how they eventually end up going to her place to spend time between the sheets, it seems like Mflowers is saying that she and MJ were seeing each other romantically while he was wearing disguises so she didn't know it was him. It also seems like she's saying she was seeing him romantically while she was married to her husband and that her husband may have known in some way.
But, I could very well be misunderstanding what she's saying since she's left out many of the details where MJ is supposed to be involved, but has instead gone into great detail about not watching television, her husband's behavior and visiting family members. And the part about the way that her husband would turn up a certain song as a way to torment her or make her feel guilty about something also makes it seem like he felt she was cheating on him with MJ. Additionally, from the way that she said her husband left for good after seeing some poster, it also seems like she's saying he left because he was deeply jealous of MJ. It's like the very presence of MJ made him feel anger towards her in some way. It's like he felt she was giving more love to MJ than to him. But, until she is willing to fill in the gaps, we won't know for sure what she's trying to say. We won't even know the reason why she put the copyright symbol at the end of her post.
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Im just really confused!!!.... but If she did accused Michael something that was not true... or for a publicity stunt that hurt MJ.... DUDE I SWEAR!!!! Karma never fails that all I can say.... And if that's the case...this forum is not the place to be...
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Making an allegation, or accusation against someone doesn't always mean legal. Could just mean she accused him personally of something that she had little or no proof of, going on a gut feeling or gossip such as how someone could make an allegation towards her of making up this story. We have no proof of that, just a gut feeling. Doesn't always have to be about something heinous. Just to give some perspective. I have no idea what she had accused him of or how, though if I were to make an assumption based on what was said, it could have been something to do with what the one fan had written about in her story which she later found out was partially fiction. She could have just called MJ a player which some board members here have also done. This is the problem with vague accounts though, so much could be assumed or speculated on.
It's really up to you, MJflowers, to clarify or not, just as long as you know some people will continue to speculate or think the worst until clarification is made. One of those times you might regret opening that can of worms? Sometimes things are just better left unsaid. Hard to say though, I am not in your shoes. It may have been cathartic to get it off your chest.
It's really up to you, MJflowers, to clarify or not, just as long as you know some people will continue to speculate or think the worst until clarification is made. One of those times you might regret opening that can of worms? Sometimes things are just better left unsaid. Hard to say though, I am not in your shoes. It may have been cathartic to get it off your chest.
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^ friend, ya know, you have a way of stimulating reasonings
this (although you meant it as a joke) is not inconceivable when you listen to some songs that refer to watching someone walk around, starting with Lovely One, Shake Your Body Down, Streetwalker and now WBSS 08 and MJ would obviously need to be "creative" when trying to meet dang near anyone who is not a celebrity, especially given how shy he is.
Reading back over this account, I suddenly may be seeing something that is starting to make sense (i think)
MFlowers maybe I am getting this
It seems you're saying that when you wrote the poem and sent it to him (just curiosly, since you were not into celebs how'd you find out how to do that - their address is just in the backs of magazines at supermarkets? and MJ's at the highest time of his career? - if so,ok it was a rare blessing) that he responded to your poem with a visit and you noticed that he'd done so because you saw the limo and limos are not something that are common to that area you were living in, so at least you felt that you had pretty good reason to suspect that was him. That could definitley make sense to me. Now that being the case, (if you saw him, then he saw you too?) wouldn't it seem he might have followed you home and simply talked to you, without you having to go to all this to "figure out" that it was him in hindsight? - although if this is the case I can understand this too. Plus, he could have had a very good reason for not doing so, (such as you being married?) I just wondered if you'd wondered about that. Especially since you seem to be saying that he came around and 'met' with your husband when you weren't there.
Now I'm wondering if it could be that when he realized you were married, he declined trying to meet you because maybe he went to your house when you weren't there to try and 'scope' out the situaton? Then became "creative" when he saw (no disrespect to your ex-husband) the kind of person that your husband was and came back in disguise just to try and meet or see you personally, since he was so touched by your poetry? That could make sense.
If this could be answered it could clear up a lot of questions:
I feel the FOCUS factor is what's missing actually. Can you just clarify when he was in disguise what kind of disguise it was, and how you did realize it was him? Are you saying that the ray of sunshine was your "sign" that told you that was indeed him? Since you are very spiritual, that could make sense of how that could "communicate" that to you.
Are you saying that your husband gloating about having "a secret" was the fact of MJ came to personally meet the writer of the poem, when your husband was there but you weren't home? That could make sense too.
By saying that all of a sudden your husband wanted to be saved, are you suggesting that him meeting MJ (who'd come to visit you when you weren't there) placed the "fear of God" in him? lol That could make sense too and that him seeing the poster on the wall was a stark reminder to him of his own (seemingly already felt) deep personal insecurities, and so he overreacted and left?.
Are these the things you've put together things that you're saying made you REALIZE you'd met him?
Ok, this could indeed make sense, although I don't recall reading the part where you were face to face with him unless you saw him in the limo? in desguise? but you recognized his eyes? from somewhere? and later put together that it was him? because ... of the "signs" that came about from seeing things about him on the television?
I think (?) maybe I'm starting to catch this.
If this is what you're saying then it is feasable to me that this could have happened but I do wish you wouldn't make us work so hard lol but if this is the right track then I understand.
Apparantly this made sense right away to some people. I don't know how I could have missed it..
And if this happened, I'm going to take it that MJ may have come around trying to meet you, the author of the poems in various creative ways, right?
The more I look at this, you don't seem to be suggesting he was "courting" you in disguise I don't think. Just that he was trying to become 'acquainted' with the author of the poems himself, in person and did so by taking this approach.
Right? :flowers:
Afterall, he was sheltered, young, curious, interested in getting to know 'regular" people and felt somewhat 'hindered' by his fame
It took reading it again afresh to understand the relevance of all the details about your (then) lifestyle, but it may be starting to make sense because back then in particular, MJ would have to use some rather "creative" ways to simply meet someone he wanted to talk to, especially as much as he loves truly inspired poetry, and maybe he was hoping you were single too
Am I getting to be on the right track?
This is a beautiful story :wub: Sweet. Thanks for sharing.
Your perseverance and faith are amazing, as well as your communication with God. That reminds me of something I'd heard about the number 3, being the energy of open communication and 7 being the energy of spiritual sensitivity. I don't know if that actually explains anything or not (numbers I mean) however, things did fall in line and you were indeed Divinely protected. That is awesome. God is awesome. :flowers: Thanks again for sharing.
this (although you meant it as a joke) is not inconceivable when you listen to some songs that refer to watching someone walk around, starting with Lovely One, Shake Your Body Down, Streetwalker and now WBSS 08 and MJ would obviously need to be "creative" when trying to meet dang near anyone who is not a celebrity, especially given how shy he is.
Reading back over this account, I suddenly may be seeing something that is starting to make sense (i think)
MFlowers maybe I am getting this
It seems you're saying that when you wrote the poem and sent it to him (just curiosly, since you were not into celebs how'd you find out how to do that - their address is just in the backs of magazines at supermarkets? and MJ's at the highest time of his career? - if so,ok it was a rare blessing) that he responded to your poem with a visit and you noticed that he'd done so because you saw the limo and limos are not something that are common to that area you were living in, so at least you felt that you had pretty good reason to suspect that was him. That could definitley make sense to me. Now that being the case, (if you saw him, then he saw you too?) wouldn't it seem he might have followed you home and simply talked to you, without you having to go to all this to "figure out" that it was him in hindsight? - although if this is the case I can understand this too. Plus, he could have had a very good reason for not doing so, (such as you being married?) I just wondered if you'd wondered about that. Especially since you seem to be saying that he came around and 'met' with your husband when you weren't there.
Now I'm wondering if it could be that when he realized you were married, he declined trying to meet you because maybe he went to your house when you weren't there to try and 'scope' out the situaton? Then became "creative" when he saw (no disrespect to your ex-husband) the kind of person that your husband was and came back in disguise just to try and meet or see you personally, since he was so touched by your poetry? That could make sense.
If this could be answered it could clear up a lot of questions:
Originally Posted by Mflowers
I met Michael when he was in disguise. It's a very, very long story on the how, where and when details so I'm just going to focus on HOW I REALIZED I met him.
I feel the FOCUS factor is what's missing actually. Can you just clarify when he was in disguise what kind of disguise it was, and how you did realize it was him? Are you saying that the ray of sunshine was your "sign" that told you that was indeed him? Since you are very spiritual, that could make sense of how that could "communicate" that to you.
Are you saying that your husband gloating about having "a secret" was the fact of MJ came to personally meet the writer of the poem, when your husband was there but you weren't home? That could make sense too.
By saying that all of a sudden your husband wanted to be saved, are you suggesting that him meeting MJ (who'd come to visit you when you weren't there) placed the "fear of God" in him? lol That could make sense too and that him seeing the poster on the wall was a stark reminder to him of his own (seemingly already felt) deep personal insecurities, and so he overreacted and left?.
Are these the things you've put together things that you're saying made you REALIZE you'd met him?
Ok, this could indeed make sense, although I don't recall reading the part where you were face to face with him unless you saw him in the limo? in desguise? but you recognized his eyes? from somewhere? and later put together that it was him? because ... of the "signs" that came about from seeing things about him on the television?
I think (?) maybe I'm starting to catch this.
If this is what you're saying then it is feasable to me that this could have happened but I do wish you wouldn't make us work so hard lol but if this is the right track then I understand.
Apparantly this made sense right away to some people. I don't know how I could have missed it..
And if this happened, I'm going to take it that MJ may have come around trying to meet you, the author of the poems in various creative ways, right?
The more I look at this, you don't seem to be suggesting he was "courting" you in disguise I don't think. Just that he was trying to become 'acquainted' with the author of the poems himself, in person and did so by taking this approach.
Right? :flowers:
Afterall, he was sheltered, young, curious, interested in getting to know 'regular" people and felt somewhat 'hindered' by his fame
It took reading it again afresh to understand the relevance of all the details about your (then) lifestyle, but it may be starting to make sense because back then in particular, MJ would have to use some rather "creative" ways to simply meet someone he wanted to talk to, especially as much as he loves truly inspired poetry, and maybe he was hoping you were single too
Am I getting to be on the right track?
This is a beautiful story :wub: Sweet. Thanks for sharing.
Your perseverance and faith are amazing, as well as your communication with God. That reminds me of something I'd heard about the number 3, being the energy of open communication and 7 being the energy of spiritual sensitivity. I don't know if that actually explains anything or not (numbers I mean) however, things did fall in line and you were indeed Divinely protected. That is awesome. God is awesome. :flowers: Thanks again for sharing.
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Seriously people. Seriously!
If you met MJ you met him. And you tell that you met him. No need to go into weird details about your personal life... This is like some Billie Jean dreaming.
I'm not gonna speculate and say this is true or not, believe it or don't but I wouldn't spend my day pondering about such mystical story.
If you met MJ you met him. And you tell that you met him. No need to go into weird details about your personal life... This is like some Billie Jean dreaming.
I'm not gonna speculate and say this is true or not, believe it or don't but I wouldn't spend my day pondering about such mystical story.
there may be a reason she needed to share it, and no better place for someone who has experienced something so 'mystical' if she did, except among MJ fans who are willing to try and understand, if indeed something like this did happen to her
a little clairity will probably help in the 'compassion' department Mflowers :flowers:
people tend ot feel annoyance if they think you're taking them round and round in circles which your post gives the impression of
after reading it again, at least I can see where she could be coming from
a little clairity will probably help in the 'compassion' department Mflowers :flowers:
people tend ot feel annoyance if they think you're taking them round and round in circles which your post gives the impression of
after reading it again, at least I can see where she could be coming from
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yeah nona jackson had mystical experiences too? having 15 babies with him including Paris, Prince and Blanket?
or maybe Helen Harris-Scott had a mystical experience with him where he created popping noises in her home, and attached gps systems to her auto that continued to be reconnected every time she disconnected it, supposedly he followed her around her neighborhood in limos too
sure there are other "mystical" experiences :doh:
crazy is crazy
or maybe Helen Harris-Scott had a mystical experience with him where he created popping noises in her home, and attached gps systems to her auto that continued to be reconnected every time she disconnected it, supposedly he followed her around her neighborhood in limos too
sure there are other "mystical" experiences :doh:
crazy is crazy
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wow.....this is confusing!!!
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Unfortunately Michael's entire life is an open book and is logged in the media and on fan board. It wouldn't be difficult for some crazy fan or hater to concoct some story about MJ being somewhere and make their story look plausible. I still shudder to think of the little canadian boy who was trying to set up MJ and how he got Diane Dimond to bring him across state line, except that the Canadian police stepped in on time to stop him. This is very serious. Mj needs serious protection and needs to keep his whereabouts logged at all time for his safety.
well those gals are clearly certifiable
if "something" happened, I'm just trying to look from her perspective is all.
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clearly she was in a difficult and painful situation with her husband so she may have 'reached out' spiritually to MJ thorugh the poems (we know fans have done that numorous times) ...
... and who's to say MJ didn't feel the 'resonance' of that emotion in her poetry and felt he simply wanted to meet her ....
...maybe it wound up not actually happening, and maybe that's why there's no substantive details...because it amounts to nothing to tell but yet something she "experienced" nonetheless
he came, she found out he came, she missed him and assumed the rest based on conjecture? (her husbands actions, ray of sunlight, 'message' from tv etc.)
we've read of MJ sussing people out before ... a fan on here had shared such an account in another thread some time back
him/his people, whatever, basically the same thing,
someone he wants to meet
c'mon guyz :cheeky:
it would be nice if she would come back and clarify, right? :flowers:
I'd really just like to give her a chance to feel comfy to do that
Its hard MFlowers when we have to piece it together - and it was such a long post - clearly you intended for it to at least make good sense, if not be detailed, right? :flowers:
(you guyz shhhh! you'll make her not want to say anything) :huh:
:cheers: MFlowers have a martini and tell us all about it
if "something" happened, I'm just trying to look from her perspective is all.
Chek:
clearly she was in a difficult and painful situation with her husband so she may have 'reached out' spiritually to MJ thorugh the poems (we know fans have done that numorous times) ...
... and who's to say MJ didn't feel the 'resonance' of that emotion in her poetry and felt he simply wanted to meet her ....
...maybe it wound up not actually happening, and maybe that's why there's no substantive details...because it amounts to nothing to tell but yet something she "experienced" nonetheless
he came, she found out he came, she missed him and assumed the rest based on conjecture? (her husbands actions, ray of sunlight, 'message' from tv etc.)
we've read of MJ sussing people out before ... a fan on here had shared such an account in another thread some time back
him/his people, whatever, basically the same thing,
someone he wants to meet
c'mon guyz :cheeky:
it would be nice if she would come back and clarify, right? :flowers:
I'd really just like to give her a chance to feel comfy to do that
Its hard MFlowers when we have to piece it together - and it was such a long post - clearly you intended for it to at least make good sense, if not be detailed, right? :flowers:
(you guyz shhhh! you'll make her not want to say anything) :huh:
:cheers: MFlowers have a martini and tell us all about it
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To be honest, why are we taking this so serious?
For one thing, it's probably made up. Another thing, almost everyone in here wrote an essay about their thoughts on her story as if this is some theory discussion, why can't we all just have some happy, heartfelt stories about how we met him?
I'm so sick of these theory discussions :lol: :lol:
For one thing, it's probably made up. Another thing, almost everyone in here wrote an essay about their thoughts on her story as if this is some theory discussion, why can't we all just have some happy, heartfelt stories about how we met him?
I'm so sick of these theory discussions :lol: :lol:
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theorize it... rationalize it.. spiritualize it... it's just another part of....
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Or, maybe Mflowers is saying the reason why her husband suddenly wanted to read the Bible is because after MJ received her poetry he came by wearing one of his diguises, and ended up talking about God with her husband. When Jehovah Witnesses come by, they will sometimes come into your home to study the Bible with you. They've come into my home on different occasion just to do this.
Still, if Mflowers would make herself clearer, this discussion based on her post(s) wouldn't be such a brain buster. Usually when fans talk about meeting Michael Jackson, they give details. They usually want their fellow fans to know what it's like to meet him because he's a really sweet person. They usually do not post a long story that leads to dead ends, answer a few questions and then tell the fans to do research with nothing solid to go on.
This thread is entitled, "Have You Met Or Got To See Michael In Person?" It is not, "Can You Post A Story That Causes Confusion And Then Leave Everybody Hanging?"
:lol:
Still, if Mflowers would make herself clearer, this discussion based on her post(s) wouldn't be such a brain buster. Usually when fans talk about meeting Michael Jackson, they give details. They usually want their fellow fans to know what it's like to meet him because he's a really sweet person. They usually do not post a long story that leads to dead ends, answer a few questions and then tell the fans to do research with nothing solid to go on.
This thread is entitled, "Have You Met Or Got To See Michael In Person?" It is not, "Can You Post A Story That Causes Confusion And Then Leave Everybody Hanging?"
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And of course after posting that AllForMJ continues to theorize about that damn post! :lmao:
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^^:lol:..........................
Heh heh :lol:
Anyway, so I once met Michael...
But he was in disguise. I thought it was him... but... Lord told me it wasn't really him. But then I thought, it could be him. But is he really in disguise? So anyway, I wrote a poem to him and he came to my house... but then.... he was still in a disguise
If you guys don't understand.... just research :doh:
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Huh?! Oh, I sure did do that, didn't I?! Silly me.
:lol: :lol:
hay now, some of us don't play when it comes to spirtualizing theorizing analyzing 'cause we've had plenty practice :lol:
and if you're gonna come with some complicated stuff you gotta at least come correct :yes:
:no: don't play
or you'll be sorry you did :lol:
and if you're gonna come with some complicated stuff you gotta at least come correct :yes:
:no: don't play
or you'll be sorry you did :lol: