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Mystery About Unreleased Michael Jackson Songs from “Bad” Anniversary Album

08/27/12 9:49amRoger Friedman0

EXCLUSIVE There are some mysteries about a couple of unreleased tracks including in the upcoming Michael Jackson “Bad25″ album. Two of the eight tracks– which are really wonderful–are unknown entirely to the engineers who worked on “Bad” in 1986. Those tracks are a lovely ballad called “I’m So Blue” and a slice of funk called “Song Groove (aka Abortion Papers).” Neither Bruce Swedien nor Bill Bottrell has any memory of them. I played the songs for each of them this weekend, and came up with no answers. “Michael must have gotten out and recorded with someone else,” Bottrell told me.

But don’t worry–they are completely by Michael Jackson. They’re the genuine article.

The anniversary boxed set of the huge-selling 1987 album contains quite a few surprises. Eight of them, actually. There are eight unreleased tracks that didn’t make it onto the “Bad” album. Surprisingly, they’ve remained in the vaults at Sony all this time. One of them, called “Don’t Be Messin’ Around,” was released earlier this summer as the “B” side of a re-released single on “I Just Can’t Stop Loving You” from Wal-Mart. I have no idea why Sony did that, since it seemed a squandered opportunity.

Now these eight tracks are coming as a separate CD inside “Bad25,” which contains four discs. The first disc is a remastered version of the original album. The second disc has these eight songs. The third disc is a live CD from a concert Michael performed on July 16, 1988 at Wembley Stadium in London. The fourth disc is a DVD of live performances from that time. Target customers get a disc of the original music videos from “Bad.” What’s unclear is what happens to a Spike Lee documentary about the making of “Bad,” which should have footage from the recording sessions with Quincy Jones, engineer Bruce Swedien, and manager mastermind Frank DiLeo.

“Bad25″ will be released on September 18th.

But it’s the eight songs that are going to make fans very, very happy. A couple of them are known, like “Don’t Be Messin’ Around” and . But the others are real surprises, especially a track called “Streetwalker.” It the vague feel of “The Way You Make Me Feel” in that it’s a Motown oriented shuffle. But it’s also a dynamite track. The version on “Bad25″ was mixed by Bottrell, but there are others by Swedien. Jackson was never satisfied with any of them. “Streetwalker” will be known to players of the video game “The Michael Jackson Experience.” But it’s also a hit. We’re going to be hearing ir on the radio– a lot. (“Streetwalker” and another track, “Fly Away,” were first included in the “Bad” re-release back in 2001.)

The others are all gems. “I’m So Blue” is beautiful ballad, with a vocal by Michael that recalls his best work. If Sony were smart, they’d release it as their first single from this set. It also has a harmonica solo that either is by Stevie Wonder or sounds just like him. The other tracks– “Al Capone,” “Free,” “Fly Away”– are also excellent.

There are reasons the songs didn’t make the final album.

“Price of Fame” is a mixture of a “Billie Jean” outtake, musically, combined with the Police’s “Spirits in the Material World.” Michael’s vocal on this track sometimes dips into his “real” voice–a lower register–than his stage falsetto and whisper that he perfected. “Free” is just another breezy ballad, and “I Just Can’t Stop Loving You” was already on the album, and a hit. “Al Capone” is a different take on the hit, “Smooth Criminal.”

The strangest of the eight songs is titled “Song Groove (aka Abortion Papers).” Swedien doesn’t remember this track. Neither does Bottrell. It’s got a killer rhythm track and a very catchy hook and melody. But the lyrics–and I’m not sure whether Michael wrote them–are like the real flip side of “Billie Jean.” He sings “Those abortion papers/think about signing your name…”

I don’t know if Sony had producers fiddle with these tracks to make them sound more modern. They could very well have been augmented. ... and they’re a wonderful reminder of the King of Pop at his zenith.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2012/08/2...hael-jackson-songs-from-bad-anniversary-album

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Michael Jackson: Exclusive Liner Notes from “Bad25″

08/27/12 6:45pmRoger Friedman0

Exclusive: Here’s some more info from the boxed set of Michael Jackson’s “Bad 25″ anniversary project coming on September 18th. Jackson fans should be ears up on this since we get some explanations for how the estate put the project together after Frank DiLeo unexpectedly and tragically passed away. Here’ an excerpt, plus a description of some of the unreleased songs I wrote about this morning. I’m telling you, “I’m So Blue” is one I cannot get out of my head. Very annoying, in a good way.

Excerpt: “A lot of time was spent listening to all of the recordings in the archives from the BAD era… Some tracks we found were very early recordings. They had no lyrics except possibly the chorus but more complete music tracks. Some were actually so complete that any other artist but Michael Jackson – who worked tirelessly to make sure his songs reflected his vision – might consider them finished tracks… As such, we have given a little information for each recording. As Michael wrote in a note at the time, he was determined to get exactly what he wanted on the recordings of his songs… In addition to the demo recordings, also on the “bonus” disc are the three recordings that were included in the 2001 re-release of the BAD album – “Fly Away,” “Streetwalker” and the Spanish version of “I Just Can’t Stop Loving You.” In addition, a French version of “I Just Can’t Stop Loving You” is included along with the earlier mentioned remixes.”

DON’T BE MESSIN’ ROUND
It is well-known that Michael might start a song for one album, and then choose not to use it. The song would later be pulled from his vaults for possible use on a subsequent album project. “Don’t Be Messin’ Round” is an example of one such song, and how it took shape at the time of BAD. Indeed, Bruce Swedien has called it one of his favorites.

I’M SO BLUE
For Michael, creating a demo is how he let someone (in this case Quincy and Bruce) know what he wanted to hear in the finished recording. It also was a vehicle for writing both the lyrics and the music (since he didn’t actually write leadsheets). And because he was such a perfectionist, this really meant giving them a demo that, to most people, would be considered a finished “record” and not a demo at all as Bruce Swedien, among others, have noted. This is an example of one of those “demos.”

SONG GROOVE (A/K/A ABORTION PAPERS)
As noted earlier, this is a song that Michael knew could be controversial and, as a result, he spent a lot of time thinking about the story for the song and the voice through which the song should be told. The song is
about a girl whose father is a priest; she was raised in the Church and on the Bible. She gets married in the Church but decides, against the Bible, to have an abortion and she wants “Abortion Papers.” As Michael indicated in his notes, “I have to do it in a way so I don’t offend girls who have gotten abortions or bring back guilt trips so it has to be done carefully… I have to really think about it.“ This is an early example of a song with a controversial subject.

FREE
Generally, Michael’s process for creating a song would start with the chorus and harmonies first and it would build from there to include melodies and the lyrics for the verses. This piece shows a song that is clearly still a “work in progress” but with a full, finished chorus and harmonies.

PRICE OF FAME
Sometimes a song is written with a story in mind. In Michael’s work notes we found the story for this song – blind obsession. He described the story as “the girls who are over-obsessed with me, who follow me, who almost make me kill myself in my car, who just give their lives to do anything with me, to see me – they’ll do anything and it’s breaking my heart. It’s running me crazy. It’s breaking up my relationship with my girl, with my family. That’s the ‘Price of Fame’.”

AL CAPONE
When you listen to some early demos of songs, you can tell instantly what song it is. This is NOT one of those songs. It is an example of how different a song can be during its early stages of development from its later, finished polished version. If it were not a well known fact that “Smooth Criminal” was developed out of “Al Capone,” it would be hard to know that it had its roots in the material based on listening to this early recording.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2012/08/27/michael-jackson-exclusive-liner-notes-from-bad25

Mod Note
Now for those who would rather discuss the Michael Album and or Casico track portion of Rogers article your are welcome to go the The Great debate thread. We have moved that portion of the article and your replies in there to allow you to freely voice your opinions on that topic. But we will NOT allow it to derail BAD25 discussions. No one wants that in here. We dont care that Roger wanted to insert it in a BAd25 article or no . We are not going allow him take us there in this forum. MJJC Staff
 
LOL. Friedman first wasn't aware of "Streetwalker" and "Fly Away" having already been released in 2001. :D This is evident by adding this fact into brackets.
 
I think people forget just how much this idiot insulted Michael in the past. This is pure tabloid nonsense.
 
Sounds great!

Can't wait for this to be released!!!
 
Korgnex;3697640 said:
LOL. Friedman is not aware that of "Streetwalker" and "Fly Away" having already been released in 2001. :D

actually he is aware

(“Streetwalker” and another track, “Fly Away,” were first included in the “Bad” re-release back in 2001.)

I think he's comparing this release to the original bad release.

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Note to everyone : Let's please focus on the Bad 25 and not the Michael album.
 
Korgnex;3697640 said:
LOL. Friedman first wasn't aware of "Streetwalker" and "Fly Away" having already been released in 2001. :D This is evident by adding this fact into brackets.

He states in the article that they were included on the 2001 special edition actually.
 
Friedman has a source within the MJ's Estate camp. He probably received a description only. It's very unlikely he got to hear them himself. Of course he's acting like he heard them himself.
Friedman is a poser and a liar. Like Halperin he likes to portray himself as an "insider". He's often getting internal info illegaly.
 
Anyway, I can't wait for these songs. Going to be the biggest thing for me this year. I also hope they didn't work on the tracks to make them sound current. IF they did, well, sucks, I'd like to know if so.
 
Pentum;3697652 said:
Anyway, I can't wait for these songs. Going to be the biggest thing for me this year. I also hope they didn't work on the tracks to make them sound current. IF they did, well, sucks, I'd like to know if so.

I don't think so. Remember this from the official announcement

All of this material is being released as it was recorded during the BAD sessions. Nothing has been added.

Friedman would have no idea about whether it's the original version or an updated version and it's obvious that he has no real knowledge about that and just speculating as it can be seen below

I don’t know if Sony had producers fiddle with these tracks to make them sound more modern. They could very well have been augmented.
 
I hate this guy so much. What a douche! So many errors in his article. It is 7 unreleased songs, not 8. Of course Bruce Swedein don't know about these tracks because Michael worked on them in his own Hayvenhurst Studio with Matt Forger and his "B team". Maybe Bottrell wasn't present at that session.

Few months ago he claimed that Don't Be Messin' Around is not a demo, but a finished song. I wonder how this guy has access to unreleased songs and why Swedein & Bottrell talk to him.

"But the others are real surprises, especially a track called Streetwalker." Why???
"It also has a harmonica solo that either is by Stevie Wonder or sounds just like him."

"But the lyrics–and I’m not sure whether Michael wrote them.."

"I don’t know if Sony had producers fiddle with these tracks to make them sound more modern. They could very well have been augmented." It was stated in the official press release that all the songs will be released in their original form. Maybe he should do a little research before publishing the article. Today everyone can be a journalist. What a shame.
 
Mod note: Let me be absolutely clear

Don't write and discuss Cascio songs in this thread if you don't want your posts to be deleted.

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and no Friedman is not currently banned. His articles have been posted on multiple other topics as well. Use your own perceptions to determine the reliability of what he writes.

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Look

1. this is not the place to argue about moderation decision, go to help section or go to pm.

2. this forum has a rule about the Cascio debate being kept in certain threads as there have been complaints about that arguments derailing other threads. you are free to post what friedman had said to great album thread and discuss it till you are satisfied.

3. this is about Bad25 and not Michael album, not Cascios and not Friedman. A lot of fans are excited about the release and do not want any issues like the Michael album discussion to derail the focus and excitement, so again take this discussion to the appropriate Michael album thread
 
Roger Friedman;3697636 said:
Target customers get a disc of the original music videos from “Bad.”

Awesome! A disc of all the short films was the one thing that was missing from the anniversary set. Totally buying the collection at Target if true.
 
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Err so now roger fiedman is the reliable source and deserve its own thread? Things really changed after Michael death. Smh
 
Back on topic which is unreleased songs on Bad 25

any other issues take it to PM, help section or the appropriate thread. It can't be any more clearer than this.
 
Can't wait for these new songs.

Hope they are more complete than DBMA.
 
I'm quite curious about "Abortion Papers". The little tidbit from the lyrics make it sound like it might be an anti-abortion song. Regardless that should be really interesting.
 
Other than what has already been said about the author of the article and his opinion about MJ fans and some songs... Some things that he wrote got me really excited. Like lyrics for Song Groove (aka Abortion Papers). This is the song that I want to hear the most. I really hope that his source is real (this time) and that the songs are really "excellent", "all gems" and "really wonderful".

I'm also glad that we got more information about the songs, like what they sound like, which are fast songs and which are ballads.. I hope we'll have some article like this written by Joe Vogel soon. His articles are always amazing, 100% correct, written carefully with quotes from his sources. That is the real journalist and that is how articles should be written, not in 10 minutes with lots of errors and with false sources.
 
Is Streetwalker the same as the 2001 ed? I took it that it could be a different mix. I'm not really into his ballads, so they won't do much for me. The hard, edgy funk of the Bad album is what I was looking for in bonus material, so Abortion Papers will definitely be one of the highlights from the 2nd disc for me. Friedman though...:puke:
 
dam2040;3697695 said:
Is Streetwalker the same as the 2001 ed? I took it that it could be a different mix. I'm not really into his ballads, so they won't do much for me. The hard, edgy funk of the Bad album is what I was looking for in bonus material, so Abortion Papers will definitely be one of the highlights from the 2nd disc for me. Friedman though...:puke:

Yes it is the same version from 2001 Special Edition.
 
Friedman sucks. He knows nothing more than what is already there on the board.
 
OnirMJ;3697660 said:
I hate this guy so much. What a douche! So many errors in his article. It is 7 unreleased songs, not 8. Of course Bruce Swedein don't know about these tracks because Michael worked on them in his own Hayvenhurst Studio with Matt Forger and his "B team". Maybe Bottrell wasn't present at that session.
Exactly. I am not surprised about Swedien not knowing about 2 of the 8 songs. That Bottrell was not aware of the songs is a bit more surprising, given that he was part of the 'B team' that worked at Michael's Hayvenhurst studio. We do know from Joe Vogel's article about Don't Be Messin' that Matt Forger is the one who combed through the vaults for Bad 25, so he must know more about those songs.

A team of Jackson collaborators and caretakers—including estate heads, Sony VP John Doelp, producer Al Quaglieri (who oversaw the excellent 2004 box set, Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection) and recording engineer, Matt Forger—combed through the vaults to see what was viable for the Bad 25 release. The criteria used for identifying potential songs were simple: They had to be recorded during the Bad era (1985-1987), and they had to be developed enough to feel like a complete track.

Also, in the same article Forger is quoted as saying the following:

"One of the main intentions is to show that these are works in progress," says Matt Forger, a sound engineer and longtime Jackson friend and collaborator. "To pull the curtain back. To actually see Michael in his natural work environment, how he directs, his sense of humor, his focus."
The finished product, then, is intentionally unfinished and spontaneous. "You can just hear him having fun," Forger says. "His spirit and emotion are totally there. He knew in demos he didn't have to be totally perfect in his execution. So he'd be loose. He'd throw in ad libs and dance or sing or pop his fingers or clap his hands. You just hear him enjoying himself."

So I am not that worried about the songs being 'updated' this time around.
 
ivy;3697691 said:
I'm quite curious about "Abortion Papers". The little tidbit from the lyrics make it sound like it might be an anti-abortion song. Regardless that should be really interesting.

Yeah, that's the one I'm most intrigued about too. Given the controversial nature of the topic. And 25 years on it's not any less controversial.

"But the lyrics–and I’m not sure whether Michael wrote them.."

As if Michael would not be able to write lyrics about serious and controversial subjects. :wacko: Just listen to the rest of Michael's catalogue, Roger. Actually the subject does sound like something that Michael could write about. Even if it's an unusual subject for a pop song, but he did write about very deep and serious subjects in his songs.

I'm also not surprised Michael would be anti-abortion. Even if my opinion is that the subject is too complex to make black and white judgments on it. But I'd sure like to see Michael's POV about it.
 
So RF knows anything about music ? lol

Bruce Swedien recorded many tracks with MJ, most of them being the final versions, not the demos.
There are some hits he did not record with MJ, like Black or White for example.
 
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