Dr. Slavit's Examination of Michael

[Severus Snape]

Thats a low hearth rate not unnormal but like a very atleet

My heart rate at rest is somewhere near that too. (if I recall rightly about 58 bpm). It's within normal range.

It definitely says "48" if the same person wrote all the information. The difference between the 9 and the 4 is obvious, unless there was some sort of a scanning mistake, which seems unlikely.

I remember once my resting heart rate was 142 bpm (oh, right, it wasn't random--this was after 3,000 mg worth of sleeping tablets). I almost went into cardiac arrest, the doctor said. I've always been on the low side of heart rates. Usually range between high 40s and low 60s.

The point is, having a heart rate below 60bpm is not unusual, and others are right when stating some people, especially athletes, have lower resting heart rates than most. I just put in the example of the difference between the highest resting heart rate I've had and my normal one to compare/contrast, I reckon, and to show MJs heart rate at 48bpm is not unusual, since mine is only 10bpm higher than his, and thus far I am considered relatively healthy.

 

[chanel05]

My physician told me the same thing. A professional athlete usually has lower pulse rate because of the regular training. Since Michael had strong heart and danced regularly, he might indeed have lw pulse rate.

yea thats true because that means that the heart muscle is stronger.......

I also wonder as he was in training for a while when he died - if he could have been gaining weight / building muscle but looking thinner.

You know what I mean? As muscle is heavier than fat you'll gain weight but look thinner as muscle is more compact than fat.

yea thats true because he wasnt skin and bones

 

[Ingelief]

thats what i said sev the hearth is low but normal for a atleet like a dancer.. But docs like to see the hearthrate a little higher though

Also ivy agree with the muscle. But i really feel he should be alot heavyer to look more healtyer.. No way he was ok because you have to acount for all his muscles being heavyer so even if the BMI is normal in range he was to thin because it were the muscles who were the weight. If you know what i mean

 

[suzynyc]

I'm so envious of that blood pressure (not to mention the weight heh). And yet look where MJ ended up because of that monster...

I didn't see much muscle tone on Michael in the TII film. But he was so covered up.

 

[roomdownstairs]

I was torn between 48 and 98 as well. To me it looks like 48. 98 is a high pulse and 48 is low.

However low pulse can be normal if he was training / dancing. According to my BF athletes - that are fit and in regular training - would have low pulse.

Yes - that's the case: it is an indicator of fitness level (and heart health too). I am an endurance runner and I have a low pulse, but not that low - mine is in the 50's (you are supposed to measure it upon waking in the morning to get resting pulse as an indicator). As a general rule, athletes of adult years usually are somewhere between 40 and 60. Average for an non-athlete adult is somewhere between 60 and 90 (as far as I'm aware, but I think the range goes up to 100 depending on who you talk to). 98 would be too high - I'm thinking this is 48. If it is 48, it suggests Michael had excellent physical fitness (which wouldn't surprise me given his strong heart and years of strenuous activity in the form of dancing).

 

[MIST]

When you take bloodpressure and pulse the patient should be resting for a while,at least 15 minutes.
Michael´s bloodpressure and pulse was fine, he was in a good shape.
I searched for some infornation to confirm it

"resting heart rate

The pulse one use to have in the morning when you wake up or when you have rested and are really relaxed, are called the resting heart rate. One of the best measures of how good condition you have is just resting heart rate. If you have a normal resting heart rate(pulse) conditioning should be around 60 (the average in Sweden is about 70-75). Is it known that you have a good condition so should one's resting heart rate to be around 50 (competitive athletes, such as runners, orienteers, crosscountry skier, may have a resting pulse of 30-40"

For the weight it can be a difference between 2 scales and you can be a little heavier in the evening than the morning.
It would make sense to me if the weight in the examination was taken with clothes on but you can assume what the weight of the clothes are and pull it away from the total weight.

Some gain weight when they get older,but not all.
I´ve met lots of old people at work and some of them have always been skinny and had wanted to gain weight for all their life,there´s nothing strange with that.

For Michael,we know the weight before the rehearsals and when he had died,but not between.
I agree muscles make one heavier, Michael might also have gained more weight in April,May and lost some weight in June.

 

[Joyce]

Could someone explain this to me? The last paragraph says
he/she is NOT in sound health and physical condition, etc., etc. Yet it also seems to say he is healthy. These contradict each other.

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[MIST]

It says he/she is/isn´t in sound health, it´s meant the physician shall delete what´s wrong.
We know Michael is he and not she....

Maybe this is a copy and it´s done on the original.

 

[LindaC781]

He could have been 127. Remember, muscle weighs more than fat...and he was in great condition. I saw "This Is It" and I have to say, he was in the best shape of his life!

About his low heart rate - it's called bradycardia. Most endurance athletes have a low resting heart rate - this is due to the fact that the heart doesn't have to beat that fast in order to perfuse the rest of the body. It just shows how great in condition MJ was. My father, who is an athlete (still one at 81 years old - he still ice skates and bicycles with my mom) has a very slow heart rate - it doesn't indicate illness.

Read this about bradycardia - it's called "Athletes Heart"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletic_Heart

 

[ivy]

Could someone explain this to me? The last paragraph says
he/she is NOT in sound health and physical condition, etc., etc. Yet it also seems to say he is healthy. These contradict each other.

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It actually says he/she (choose one) is/is not (choose one) in sound health. The doctor was supposed to chose the one that applies. He didn't do it.

 

[Ingelief]

Aha ok thx

But to say he was in the best health during this is it, scares me alot! He wasnt because Cm put alot of meds in him, he was performing with benzos still in his system and propofol giving daylee

 

[Ramona122003]

Aha ok thx

But to say he was in the best health during this is it, scares me alot! He wasnt because Cm put alot of meds in him, he was performing with benzos still in his system and propofol giving daylee

I know perfectly healthy people who take pain pills, sleeps meds, and other medical everyday for real medical reasons. Just because you take drugs for illegitimate aliments, doesn't automatically means you are unhealthy.

 

[Ashtanga]

I know perfectly healthy people who take pain pills, sleeps meds, and other medical everyday for real medical reasons. Just because you take drugs for illegitimate aliments, doesn't automatically means you are unhealthy.

The question is about Murray. He was giving a lot of things for Michael and incorrectly. And now you know what happened .... I still can not believe how Michael was able to bring this incompetent doctor for your life.

 

[loveforever]

So this doctor did the blood tests for Michael, how about the result?

 

[Ramona122003]

The question is about Murray. He was giving a lot of things for Michael and incorrectly. And now you know what happened .... I still can not believe how Michael was able to bring this incompetent doctor for your life.

The thing is, we really don't know what happened. We don't know what medication, other than propofol, that Murray was given Michael for 6 weeks. We know he gave lopz and midz, but we don't know the amount. Both of these are good medication if given properly. We honestly don't even know if Murray was even given propofol for 6 weeks. There's no medical records.

All we have is the corona's reports, which says Michael was healthy and compare to this medical record he actually weighed more. Even if the doctor's scale is off, it wouldn't be off by 9lbs. We can argued back and forward about how he looked or appeared, but medical science doesn't lie. If Michael's health truly went to the dumps between Feb and June the defense would had brought it up and found someway to blame Michael or Klein.

 

[Ashtanga]

The thing is, we really don't know what happened. We don't know what medication, other than propofol, that Murray was given Michael for 6 weeks. We know he gave lopz and midz, but we don't know the amount. Both of these are good medication if given properly. We honestly don't even know if Murray was even given propofol for 6 weeks. There's no medical records.

All we have is the corona's reports, which says Michael was healthy and compare to this medical record he actually weighed more. Even if the doctor's scale is off, it wouldn't be off by 9lbs. We can argued back and forward about how he looked or appeared, but medical science doesn't lie. If Michael's health truly went to the dumps between Feb and June the defense would had brought it up and found someway to blame Michael or Klein.

Yes! And that's even worse, not know what was really happening.

 

[roomdownstairs]

It actually says he/she (choose one) is/is not (choose one) in sound health. The doctor was supposed to chose the one that applies. He didn't do it.

Joyce: one is meant to be crossed out so the other applies. He should have crossed out "she" and "is not" on this form (based on the data he entered above) so it read "he is in sound health".

 

[MIST]

Randy Philips said they took drugtests, it would be intersting to see what kind of tests.
They found no drugs, but it was before Murray became Michael´s doctor

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Lee did tests when she first started treating mj

 

[ivy]

So this doctor did the blood tests for Michael, how about the result?

Randy Philips said they took drugtests, it would be intersting to see what kind of tests.
They found no drugs, but it was before Murray became Michael´s doctor

The documents also say that blood tests was done on that day but as it seems Lloyds doesn't have the results of the blood tests - because they are asking for them.

 

[Severus Snape]

The thing is, we really don't know what happened. There's no medical records.

All we have is the corona's reports, which says Michael was healthy and compare to this medical record he actually weighed more.

Yes, the degree of negligence is astounding. =|

And, also, "coroner's." Corona is a beer, lol. A very disgusting one, too.

 

[kissybissy]

He could have been considered healthy and his weight normal back then. Still, he looked way too thin imo. If you look at the pic of him dead, you can see how thin his frame looked at the time of his death.

 

[Severus Snape]

^He could have afforded to put on some weight, but he was not "painfully thin." One also needs to remember he was a dancer, and dancers are required to have a svelte physique.

 

[chanel05]

He could have been considered healthy and his weight normal back then. Still, he looked way too thin imo. If you look at the pic of him dead, you can see how thin his frame looked at the time of his death.

I agree.. For a man his age he should have been larger, especially since he hasnt been touring in the last 12 years. Im not saying be fat, but larger.

^He could have afforded to put on some weight, but he was not "painfully thin." One also needs to remember he was a dancer, and dancers are required to have a svelte physique.

Dancers arent required to have a svelte physique. Some do because its their body type and some refer to that body type as a "true" dancers body. Actually MOST male dancers have a somewhat muscular build no matter what body frame. They just have to be fit and healthy.

 

[Ingelief]

agree ramona but to call him healthy is for me impossible, a healty man sleeps fine, michael had a sleep problem. He had suffer in his lungs and back pain chronicly. So he wasnt healthy and he had anxiety according to kleins records. So no even with cms meds he wasnt healthy im sorry thats my point of view. Also he was to thin and was a bad eater

edit: to think that video and photo always makes a person look bigger so he was in real life even thinner then he looked in this is it

randy philip did he do a bloodtest? i only know frank dileo asked for one because he wasnt trusting michael. He said: we have to look what he is doing. Do a bloodtest

 

[Justthefacts]

Your point of view is just that your point of view. The doctor who held Michael's organs in his hands said he was healthy that is all that matters. I hate it when people say he could have gained a little weight as long has he was happy that is all that matters

 

[Bonnie Blue]

^^ I'm also wary of people who believe they have a more accuarate idea of mj's weight because they've looked at photos and watched 'this is it', than the LA coroner with 20yrs experience. Were the coroner's scales wrong, was the coroner not wearing his specs when reading the callibrations, was he a sony/aeg sleeper agent activated on 26th june to add 20lb to mj's weight?

 

[Severus Snape]

Dancers arent required to have a svelte physique. Some do because its their body type and some refer to that body type as a "true" dancers body. Actually MOST male dancers have a somewhat muscular build no matter what body frame. They just have to be fit and healthy.

Largely depends on what kind of dancing you do, but a true dancer's body will be svelte, and I think that is largely the way Michael preferred it. His type of moves would be best suited for someone with a thinner frame. I would think someone with a muscular build would look rather clumsy doing what he did.

Then, of course, there's the matter of age. As we age, we lose muscle mass all over our bodies, and we also lose fat from our faces, etc. which could make us appear thinner. So, there are a lot of complex factors which ought to be taken into account regarding Michael and his weight during the rehearsals. I think he looked fit and healthy, if only a bit on the thin side, but I would not have looked at him and thought there was cause for concern if we consider only the photographic/video footage up to his death.

 

[Ramona122003]

agree ramona but to call him healthy is for me impossible, a healty man sleeps fine, michael had a sleep problem. He had suffer in his lungs and back pain chronicly. So he wasnt healthy and he had anxiety according to kleins records. So no even with cms meds he wasnt healthy im sorry thats my point of view. Also he was to thin and was a bad eater

edit: to think that video and photo always makes a person look bigger so he was in real life even thinner then he looked in this is it

randy philip did he do a bloodtest? i only know frank dileo asked for one because he wasnt trusting michael. He said: we have to look what he is doing. Do a bloodtest

No one is perfectly health. Everyone, not matter their age, have some kind of medical problem. I am healthy for my age, but I'm overweight. My brother's health, but he suffers through health burn and can't eat certain kinds of foods. My father is consider healthy for his age, 60, and he is a boardline diabetic, overweight, and have some bowls issues. Having sleep problems, being anxiety, being on the thin side, having back pains, or being a bad eater doesn't mean you're not healthy. You could be healther, but that doesn't mean you are not physical fit.

As Just said, medical science trumps the POV of a distance fan who are just looking at pictures and never talked or even met Michael before.

What classfies

 

[Diplomate]

When we gonna have the results of the blood test and why the results are not on this examination ?