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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Has anyone been able to find the original photo yet?
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I've been looking really really really hard, but no luck.
I think the right half of the pic with the black box is throwing off my google image search....
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ maybe crop her out and see if it still picks it up... the hand looks normal to me though! looks like his middle finger and thumb are touching, like he was picking at his nail or something..
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I was also thinking that although I believe the letters may be forged due to how sneaky and conniving people are, even if they weren't forged there's nothing bad about them, and as kind and selfless and Michael was those checks don't mean a thing either.
There's nothing sinister or bad about any of the "evidence."
The only thing they have going for them is that some people will assume there were bad intentions because of how decades of media slander had made people feel about Michael.
Anyone that really knows Michael and what he was about wouldn't bat an eyelash at those letters and checks.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Same day? Does anyone know when and where this took place?

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^ looks similar but it's a different shirt & tie + his hair is shorter in that picture
 
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Lil said:
^ looks similar but it's a different shirt & tie + his hair is shorter in that picture
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Yep, venue looks different too. The one with the girl looks like a studio.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm thinking now this girl is somebody nobody even knows of. I know her name being kept anonymous made it seem as though it was because she could easily be debunked, but I'm thinking now if it was done for 'effect' if you will.

There's no story in the document whatsoever. Even with the nonsensical stories from former Neverland/Hayvenhurt employees who claimed to of seen abuse occur, never was a girl mentioned. This despite the fact she claims she was abused at Hayvenhurst, on the set of Moonwalker and at Neverland. Despite police investigation, and employees all too happy to sell stories about MJ, never have we seen a girl be mentioned.

What I meant above by effect is, right now they clearly don't even have a story put together. Putting her name out there now, with the document released, to me, would of made this even more ridiculous. As 1. It's a girl who nobody has ever mentioned and 2. There's no story in that document. As of now, there are some, albeit not many, media sources reporting this. Had they named her this would of probably led even the trashiest of media sources to question 'who?'

Right now, there's still that question of 'who?' and 'do we know who she is?'

I don't think even with her name and a story it'd be convincing, but it wouldn't of been quite as ridiculous (still massively ridiculous mind) as the current situation.

I'm thinking out loud here and perhaps going OTT, and could be way off, but it's just a thought I had.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I noticed the crazy about you note is not in this PDF file.

http://www.contentplace.net/FM/Photos.pdf

The original note nowhere to be found just a copy attached to complaint.
I wonder why.

There isn't even any proof that these notes were written to her
let alone that every word on them was written by MJ.
It's also unclear when MJ wrote them if he indeed wrote them.
He could have written it to her when she was 20, 25 whatever.

On this note you can see that the soooo much was added with a different pen
or pencil
https://s22.postimg.org/uso41dqyp/much.jpg

They could add this to the note to make it look more "incriminating"
and this is the only note with MJ's handwriting, everything else was written
by others and sent by his assistants.
So I would ask the Shana question: if he was so crazy about you how
come all of your correspondent with him are what he did with other fans too
like Mandy Porter for example:
http://i.imgur.com/rNyIT.jpg

And why would he get Mary Coller and Jolie Levine involved at all?

I hope the Estate is working on finding out all the facts about this stuff
and publish the facts.

And again, what does a currency strap prove?
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Bad7 said:
There's no story in the document whatsoever. Even with the nonsensical stories from former Neverland/Hayvenhurt employees who claimed to of seen abuse occur, never was a girl mentioned. This despite the fact she claims she was abused at Hayvenhurst, on the set of Moonwalker and at Neverland. Despite police investigation, and employees all too happy to sell stories about MJ, never have we seen a girl be mentioned.
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In fact those stories were often about how "it were only boys who were ever invited to his bedroom, never girls" or even about MJ considering girls persona non grata.
 
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I've even seen some haters saying that they would take a closer look to MJ's female child friends now. Are they really admitting that they were ignoring them for years? :D
 
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respect77 said:
In fact those stories were often about how "it were only boys who were ever invited to his bedroom, never girls" or even about MJ considering girls persona non grata.
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Indeed. This has been the constant rhetoric for 20 plus years. Yet now, all the way in 2016, the first ever girl comes forward. The sheer ridiculousness of it is shown in that this hasn't made widespread coverage. It goes against what the world has been told to believe. Even the likes of Diane Dimond and Stacy Brown (at least on Facebook, given Brown's Twitter account is private... really the move of a professional journalist) are yet to say a word.

DancingMjsdream said:
I've even seen some haters saying that they would take a closer look to MJ's female child friends now. Are they really admitting that they were ignoring them for years? :D
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Yes, they are inadvertently admitting it. Fans were labelled 'floons' (that's the buzz word in the sad world of MJ haters) for saying it wasn't just male children around MJ. So what are fans now(?)
 
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respect77 said:
Same day? Does anyone know when and where this took place?

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I agree with posters who say that MJ wore similar outfits over periods of time. This seems to be one of his '1986' uniforms. I believe that the 'Whoopi' photo was taken in 1986. (He sang background vocals for her on an album onetime ??? I can't remember the date) Here's a slightly larger version.

Also another photo in a similar outfit, but different pants. I think this is Hayvenhurst.

Did MJ/J5 have an 'awards' room in Hayvenhurst? Maybe that's where the 'complainant' photo was taken?

(Edit: I'm guessing that although MJ was a keen photographer, these are not 'selfies'...pre-set or self-triggered camera photos. So, the photographer will know something about the complainant...wonder if it was one of MJ's family or the girl's family. I'm not sure that MJ would easily allow visitors to take photos in Hayvenhurst, as this wouldn't be sufficiently in control, and he was famously anti-photo in Neverland).

http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/pof73E0oj][/URL]

http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/pogACpeNj][/URL]
 
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myosotis said:
I agree with posters who say that MJ wore similar outfits over periods of time. This seems to be one of his '1986' uniforms. I believe that the 'Whoopi' photo was taken in 1986. (He sang background vocals for her on an album onetime ??? I can't remember the date) Here's a slightly larger version.

Also another photo in a similar outfit, but different pants. I think this is Hayvenhurst.

Did MJ/J5 have an 'awards' room in Hayvenhurst? Maybe that's where the 'complainant' photo was taken?

http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/pof73E0oj][/URL]

http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/pogACpeNj][/URL]
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Woah, where did you see the second picture? That looks like possibly the girl's Mother given MJ looks the same as in the photograph with the girl and the person alongside him is in different attire.
 
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Bad7 said:
Woah, where did you see the second picture? That looks like possibly the girl's Mother given MJ looks the same as in the photograph with the girl and the person alongside him is in different attire.
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No, I think the tie is different...same as in the 'Whoopi' photo. The 'complainant photo' MJ tie is more 'sparkly/ shiny....like the one he wore to Katherine's birthday party, which was video'd
 
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myosotis said:
No, I think the tie is different...same as in the 'Whoopi' photo. The 'complainant photo' MJ tie is more 'sparkly/ shiny....like the one he wore to Katherine's birthday party, which was video'd
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It could be the lighting. The girl's picture is of better quality than the second one you posted. So far, to me, the second photo you posted looks the closest to being at the same time given the long hair.

Edit: Looking at the photographs again, his tie does look remarkably shiny in the picture with the girl.
 
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^indeed, that seems to be his '86 uniform' lol, but again, slightly different shirt, tie & hair ?
It really must be a private picture, otherwise I think someone must've found it by now..
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That why this story is not going to work like it has been said in the past 20 years and more it been all boys no girls.

If this is the big news Wade and his lawyers have wasting their time again It is really time to end and i am so glad that the media has not pick this up yet because it is all lies I have to agree too like it was mention this does make Wade case very weak no doubt their will ask the judge for another amend so their can keep the stories going sad all for money.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I've cropped out the girl and I'm doing some image searches right now.
If this comes up with nothing, I might try the same image searches but just with Michael's face.
 
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KOPV said:
It's just crazy how so much Bull around Michaels sexuality.. First he was "homosexual" than "asexual" than "he likes little boys" than "he likes little girls"... They need to get it straight because to have a successful fake ass attack you have to have one story fit.. Not jumbled bad impression clippings, innocent notes turned vile (some not even written by him), accusations that don't add up...
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As we say in law enforcement, when you have this much inconsistency, that only means it is all LIES. And to the poster psyco who said this looking damaging. NO it does NOT. For one, there are plenty of PUBLIC event and evidence that show MJ say I love you to EVERYONE. Second, when MJ was investigated, MJ accounts, passports, computers, phones, ALL WERE INVESTIGATED. Old Tom Sneddon did NOT leave no rock unturned even setting up a hotline for people to call. And look at the media, NO ONE is talking about this trash with all of the talk about sex assault and others in the news. People are tired of this BS. MJ said anytime he does a project, liars come out. Just look, MJ was CROWNED the Richest dead/alive celeb who made more money than all of them this year, and now look, these fools want to come put with this trash. People IGNORED Wade, James, when they came out and people are still ignoring them. ENUF SAID.
 
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When it comes to MJ, some4 people will lie so and even look in the camera and lie. Remember the woman who claimed she was pregnant with QUADS for Michael in 2004, the tabloid show even showed her or two days. SHE WAS LYING. Gloria Alred on giving her two cent on ET tonight but soon shut her mouth (Remember Gloria represent the Chandlders and made a big press on how a 35 year sharing beds with boys but dropped from the case after two days on the case then Gloria went on a show and said and said 'we should just wait and see" (and we know Gloria is a bulldog when she thinks she is right. That was my first eye opener to me that the Chandlers were full of it).
 
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terrell said:
When it comes to MJ, some4 people will lie so and even look in the camera and lie. Remember the woman who claimed she was pregnant with QUADS for Michael in 2004, the tabloid show even showed her or two days. SHE WAS LYING. Gloria Alred on giving her two cent on ET tonight but soon shut her mouth (Remember Gloria represent the Chandlders and made a big press on how a 35 year sharing beds with boys but dropped from the case after two days on the case then Gloria went on a show and said and said 'we should just wait and see" (and we know Gloria is a bulldog when she thinks she is right. That was my first eye opener to me that the Chandlers were full of it).
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The Chandlers fired her after her press conference because she said Jordan was ready to testify in criminal court.
The Chandlers freaked out that's not what they wanted the wanted money so they replaced her
with Larry Feldman who as they wrote in their book would stir the case from a criminal indictment toward
a "highly profitable settlement".

If Allred had been honest she would have said that it's strange that the parents do not want
a criminal trial and want the civil case go first which is only about money of course not putting
the abuser behind bar but Allred is a coward scumbag.
 
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Who can issue invoices in America?
Anyone or someone who has a business or self-employed?

This girl sent invoices for hush money?
That sound totally ridiculous to me.
 
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redfrog said:
Who can issue invoices in America?
Anyone or someone who has a business or self-employed?

This girl sent invoices for hush money?
That sound totally ridiculous to me.
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Where are you seeing invoices? Some of the things I'm clicking on are already saying "not found" or 404 messages.

I'm not going to mention names because I think that was a good idea-nobody needs fans or those hater people harassing them out of the blue trying to find out if they are the mystery girl or not. I just hope (especially after reading a recent post by someone who was close to him) that it was not that person. Things that used to be so sweet and loving out of Robson's mouth (and especially his mother's), now look quite despicable and I read these things in completely different ways now.
 
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barbee0715 said:
Things that used to be so sweet and loving out of Robson's mouth (and especially his mother's), now look quite despicable and I read these things in completely different ways now.
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Now they will probably say they were "brainwashed" "coached' and "threatened" by MJ blah blah blah
 
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DancingMjsdream said:
I've even seen some haters saying that they would take a closer look to MJ's female child friends now. Are they really admitting that they were ignoring them for years? :D
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They straight up denied they even existed. They even claimed MJ hated girls and they were persona non grata at Neverland and he never hung with them, never sent them gifts like he did to boys. For decades one of their favourite line was "if it is simply an innocent love for kids why is it only boys?" All of a sudden now they will find and acknowledge all the pics with MJ and girls. LOL.
 
barbee0715;4172240 said:
Where are you seeing invoices?
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For the 2500 check, the attached check itself is not included in the liar's file:

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The 150 000 dollar one that was sent to the "friend":

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This is not a check but an advice copy. Is this the same as a payment advice note?

Payment advice note

A note sent to a vendor or buyer that outlines the methods of payment that
will be accepted. For example, a customer who subscribes to a free trial copy
of a magazine may receive a payment advice note after the free trial is complete.
The note could indicate that the customer could purchase a full subscription by paying with a check or with a credit card.

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/payment-advice-note.html

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BTW these amounts are so random, did she tell him
" I want 2500 I want 150 000, I want 130 000 I want 600 000 I want 10 000"
Or MJ came up with those numbers on his own?



respect77;4172245 said:
They straight up denied they even existed. They even claimed MJ hated girls and they were persona non grata at Neverland and he never hung with them, never sent them gifts like he did to boys. For decades one of their favourite line was "if it is simply an innocent love for kids why is it only boys?" All of a sudden now they will find and acknowledge all the pics with MJ and girls. LOL.
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Gutierrez's book couldn't be more clear about that.
There's a chapter titled Jackson prefers boys.
He describes how little girls were crying because MJ never invited them for shopping trips.
He described Lilly Chandler as "no competition".
He described how letters from little girls were thrown in the trash bin.

Phillip LeMarque, who had ties to Gutierrez testified, that they were only ordered to buy toys for boys:

1 Q. Mr. LeMarque, were you ever asked by Mr.
2 Jackson to go out and buy toys as gifts for these
3 children?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. On how many occasions?
6 A. I don’t -- several times.
7 Q. Okay. And can you characterize the number
8 of gifts that you would buy, the number of toys?
9 A. I would go to Toys-R-Us and pick out toys
10 for boys of 10, 11 years old.
11 Q. Were you instructed to buy such toys?
12 A. No, but I figured that was what they were
13 for, so --
14 Q. And when you brought these toys to Mr.
15 Jackson, did you have any occasion to see him give
16 these toys as gifts to the children?
17 A. Well, usually they were put into an area or
18 a tabletop where the kids would come in, you know,
19 tear the papers off and pick up the toys.
20 Q. Did you see Mr. Jackson give more toys to
21 the boys than the other children?
22 A. Yeah, they were mainly toys for boys.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh the irony. This is from the Chandlers' book:

According to the American Psychiatric Association, pedophiles are often attracted to children of a particular age range, "which may be as specific as within a range of only one or two years. Those attracted to girls usually prefer eight- to ten-year-olds . . . whereas, those attracted to boys usually prefer slightly older children.
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Which comes back to an earlier post in this thread that pointed out that age-wise (as in many other ways) this doesn't make sense. They simply took what they claimed about boys - ie. that he molested 12-15 year olds and applied to this girl. But 12-15 year old girls are a lot different to boys of that age. A lot more mature, their bodies are more developed. Puberty starts much earlier. The claim about boys is that he lost interest in them when they started puberty at 14. Girls however do not start puberty at 15 (they claimed about her that he lost interest in her when she started puberty at 15). In fact they start it years earlier than boys and by the pic this wasn't some tiny little, underdeveloped girl at the age 12-13. She seems pretty normal.
 
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