[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I just wonder whether in the US there is some precedent for that.
These lawyers say so many stupid things it's hard to see what is totally baseless and what is not.

Also, weren't the Safechuck's MJ's own guests like the Chandlers and Gotham Chopra?
What evidence is there that those companies paid for food, hotel, wardrobe anything?

I think all of the people who travelled with MJ, their costs were run by MJ's company. Certainly Michael didn't dig his pocket and pay travel cost the whole lot of them, but were paid by his company.
I think Safejunk was paid by Pepsi for commercial, but that was it. They can claim all sort of thingys, but will it stick and can they argue legally MJ's companies employed him is different thing.

Didn't Cascio's travel with him extensively? They never claimed to be employees of MJ (at that time, Frank was later on) and if it comes to that, the estate attorneys can call them to testify and Brett too.

 

[ILoveHIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I personally DO believe that this is a sophisticated conspiracy that appeared shortly after KJ sued AEG.
I do believe that this is not a coincidence.
I do believe that some people are using Wade and James, they paid them or made them to do that.
I do believe Wade is addicted to something, he can not be clean, or at least, in 2012-2013 he was not.
I do believe that this dirty game is a continuing tabloid media agenda, and people behind this (have) conspired against MJ decades ago...

Its not a coincidence that MJ died, Its not a coincidence that KJ sued AEG, and it is not a coincidence that Wade and shorty after him James miraculously accused MJ, if all people are connected one another.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well this is what it look like to me Wade and his lawyers are trying to say that the companies had control over Michael their want you to believer that the companies are responsible or a care of duty for what happen to them calling Michael companies a school and Michael a teacher just doesn't make ant sense at all.l It was mention in this thread how can the companies hire the owned of the companies that would be hard to do. These are all lies the press release are all lies. I still think the Estate should say nothing not say nothing doesn't mean it is true they don't need to to come to Wade and his lawyers level to them this is a game anything to make the Estate settle. In summary judgement it is going to come down to this did Michael have control of his companies or did the companies have control of Michael and in this thread the way i see it Michael had control of his companies not the companies having control over Michael.


So what could happen is the judge can say well Michael was in control of his companies and this is what you claim is all about did the companies have a reason to know that this was happening and did nothing about it. So there is also a chance that the judge can say this case is dismiss basic on lack of evidence because companies are not ppls and you can't sue a dead man. This is how i see it.


I just do not see a judge send this nonsense to trial because it is all lies. IMO letting this go through mean that the next person can do the same thing to the Estate and get away with it and that would be unfair.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Honestly cuz the silence is making Mike look bad to the public and the public presume " oh this must be true cuz they are keeping silent"
And this is why they need to speak up more somehow

The people who think it's true because they're "keeping silent" are the same people who would roll their eyes and say "of course they're denying it" like people said before most people already made up their minds about Michael.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Peoples made up they minds about Michael in 1993 and still feel the same way today. You think that just maybe when Michael with to court to clear his name that the ppls would see that he was innocent and he did not do this. Michael was found not guilty on all 14 counts that he was charge with. I hope i am wrong and that ppls today do not believe this mess because it is clear without a doubt all Wade want is the money and he is only doing this because Michael is not here to defend himself against these lies.

 

[terrell]

Peoples made up they minds about Michael in 1993 and still feel the same way today. You think that just maybe when Michael with to court to clear his name that the ppls would see that he was innocent and he did not do this. Michael was found not guilty on all 14 counts that he was charge with. I hope i am wrong and that ppls today do not believe this mess because it is clear without a doubt all Wade want is the money and he is only doing this because Michael is not here to defend himself against these lies.

Many people (if not most) people do not believe it but haters make the most noise. And if people really thought this, MJ would not be celebrated (not even selling out 50 shows when he was alive) and the world would not moarned his death and the majority of the media did not talk about this latest nonsense as I said would happen. These fools were not talked about when they first came; if fact, this maybe even changing the minds of some of the few who did believe MJ was guilty. Again, to find a REAL child abuser does NOT take all of this and especially all of these changing of stories, saying one thing to tabloid press and another thing in court, getting money from tabloids, making up stories, etc.

Honestly cuz the silence is making Mike look bad to the public and the public presume " oh this must be true cuz they are keeping silent"
And this is why they need to speak up more somehow

No, they need to not follow these nuts up. Again, WE care because we are following it step by step. Anyway, good thinking people know better and can see through this BS. only haters will talk and they are going to trash talk regardless. Look how MJ Xscape sold and how he was celebrated even in mainstream media and that was on the heals of Wade's claim. Most people do NOT care, to many MJ is gone and they want him to rest in peace and enjoy his legacy. Even Conrad Murray was knocked down with his stupid book.

That may be true for now, but if Wade manages to get this to a trial, the coverage will be much more widespread and a lot more damaging I fear.

When he was on the Today show, that was talked about and look, NO ONE CARED and it did NOT effect MJ and Mike just had Xscape release. I was off this board since Tuesday just to see if this story was going to be talked about on mainstream media (not even taboid shows or entertainment show talked about this nonsense nor does any of the other sites have it posted (not that it would really matter). People can see through this (I do not care about internet trolls or haters who hate on EVERYONE online).

why? don't forget he has about 25 years worth of under oath testimony,live interviews, magazine interviews, tv shows etc where he, his sister and his Mother praise MJ over and over again.. Putting all of that praise together at one time to show a jury what he was originally saying about his alleged molester will damage him especially when it can be shown he made these allegations 4 years after MJ died, and when he failed to secure the directing gig to do a tribute to his alleged abuser :mello: It will show his money motive and his revenge against the estate for not hiring him to direct the show.

And do not forget he help contribute to the book with Michael's brother Jermaine and was in a tribute on MTV with Janet to MJ and he was at Mike's funeral.

Whilst that is all true, do you think the media are going to care about those things or report it in a non-sensationalised, non-biased way? Of course not. Look at the 2005 trial and compare what actually transpired in the courtroom to what the media chose to report. There is a reason the general public were largely shocked when MJ was acquitted, and it's because the news channels and newspapers led everyone to believe that he was guilty and was going down.

That was in 2005, I think a lot of the media has woke up after the trial. If many in the media really thought MJ was guilty, they would not have been celebrating him or his comeback in 2009. Like I said, the media could cover this story (you can believe Wade's lawyers talked to them) but NO, even MJ's biggest pain the neck reporter Roger Feldman know Wade and James are full of it. Not even Nancy Grace or Dr. Drew.

I just wonder whether in the US there is some precedent for that.
These lawyers say so many stupid things it's hard to see what is totally baseless and what is not.

Also, weren't the Safechuck's MJ's own guests like the Chandlers and Gotham Chopra?
What evidence is there that those companies paid for food, hotel, wardrobe anything?

I am sorry to say but ANYONE can make a claim in court even if the court do not believe it. The court still have to give them due process. Let me give you an example about myself. I knew someone who wanted to sue a cab company because she was in the van with a family member of mine. The cab just tap the bumper (hardly no damage; if any when I got off from work to see what happen). Three months later, I got a subpoena to be a witness for her. Guess what, I WAS NOT THERE when cab hit the bumper but she thought because of where I work, it would help her case. I told the clerk to remove my name and the clerk said she could not do it and I would have to talk to the person who put me down. She pushed the case for a year (I could not find her in order to tell her to remove my name so I was served three more times (twice on my job, and once at home because I told them not to give me a subpoena at work). I finally saw her and told her to removed my name and she did. So yes, people can make a claim about anything and we will have to go to court in order to prove the case was wrong. And as the clerk told me, "we can see some of these cases seem fake but we have to listen and decide."

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I personally DO believe that this is a sophisticated conspiracy that appeared shortly after KJ sued AEG.
I do believe that this is not a coincidence.
I do believe that some people are using Wade and James, they paid them or made them to do that.
I do believe Wade is addicted to something, he can not be clean, or at least, in 2012-2013 he was not.
I do believe that this dirty game is a continuing tabloid media agenda, and people behind this (have) conspired against MJ decades ago...

Its not a coincidence that MJ died, Its not a coincidence that KJ sued AEG, and it is not a coincidence that Wade and shorty after him James miraculously accused MJ, if all people are connected one another.

Is this James's brother talking bout Mike?

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is this James's brother talking bout Mike?

And as usual, all this great talk even AFTER his death. I hope you all email this stuff to those tabloid folks to show them no one is stupid; and I hope the estate (which I am sure they do) have all of this info.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That was in 2005, I think a lot of the media has woke up after the trial. If many in the media really thought MJ was guilty, they would not have been celebrating him or his comeback in 2009. Like I said, the media could cover this story (you can believe Wade's lawyers talked to them) but NO, even MJ's biggest pain the neck reporter Roger Feldman know Wade and James are full of it.

I've said this before, but immediately after Michael died, all the big networks tried to push the scandalous stuff and within just a day or two realized they were on the wrong side-there was mourning and crying in the streets-there was 24 hour coverage of what was going on all over the world (and especially in US) and people don't mourn and cry and dance and sing and bring flowers and cards over a child molester. They don't. It was obvious that the masses really didn't believe it all along and the media changed their tune in no time and started the celebration of his life too.

I think because of this (even though we'll never hear a formal apology from the media) they are approaching all of this with extreme caution-and we're not going to see any of this tabloid garbage in the mainstream press unless it finally gets to a trial.

 

[soulmum]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The truth stays constant because it is the truth. Lies are continually changing to fit circumstances. They just need to keep track of all the lies told, especially the ones which can be found in the media. This is what will come back to bite them in the bum.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No, they need to not follow these nuts up. Again, WE care because we are following it step by step. Anyway, good thinking people know better and can see through this BS. only haters will talk and they are going to o that regardless. Look how MJ Xscape sold and how he w celebrated even in mainstream media and that was on the heals of Wade's claim. Most people do NOT care, to many MJ is gone and they want his to rest in peace and enjoy his legacy. Even Conrad Murray was knocked down with his stupid book.

Exactly let these fools hang themselves they are doing that already when Wade and his lawyers go into the courtroom the judge will see the same things they have no case.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The truth stays constant because it is the truth. Lies are continually changing to fit circumstances. They just need to keep track of all the lies told, especially the ones which can be found in the media. This is what will come back to bite them in the bum.

You are right if you do not know the truth you can not tell the truth all you can tell is lies.

 

[twinklEE]

Just what we expected from these lawyers. No surprise. Carry on fools you just keep showing us you have nothing and are sooooo desperate for a settlement

So very true.
It's a shame though

Who remembers when the judge congratulated both parties on the level of lawyering in this case. I am sure he is going to miss the previous lawyers when he puts his eyes on the claims of the new ones. As many of you suggested, it is becoming clearer day after day that they did pull a school case and only added Mj and his companies to it. This mistake about laws that were not enforceable in 1993 is huge one. I am sure the judge would be very astonished at the degree of incompetency their latest filing shows.

I was really worried about their track record. But after reading the document itself, and your great input, it does seem to me they are much less capable than the previous lawyers.

Hopefully you will be right. Sadly, with MJ it seems as if common sense flies out of the window.

I've said this before, but immediately after Michael died, all the big networks tried to push the scandalous stuff and within just a day or two realized they were on the wrong side-there was mourning and crying in the streets-there was 24 hour coverage of what was going on all over the world (and especially in US) and people don't mourn and cry and dance and sing and bring flowers and cards over a child molester. They don't. It was obvious that the masses really didn't believe it all along and the media changed their tune in no time and started the celebration of his life too.

I think because of this (even though we'll never hear a formal apology from the media) they are approaching all of this with extreme caution-and we're not going to see any of this tabloid garbage in the mainstream press unless it finally gets to a trial.

Amen.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just what we expected from these lawyers. No surprise. Carry on fools you just keep showing us you have nothing and are sooooo desperate for a settlement

I pray the judge will see the same nothing.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The truth stays constant because it is the truth. Lies are continually changing to fit circumstances. They just need to keep track of all
the lies told, especially the ones which can be found in the media. This is what will come back to bite them in the bum.

They change their story depending on what legal argument they want to make
on any given day. As I recall initially Safechuck didn't say that MJ called him once or twice
a year between 1995 -2005, right?
That was added only after they tried equitable estoppel.
Now that part is missing from the story again.

Does anyone have a link to the first two versions of his complaint?
And did he file a sworn declaration too?


Also what are the "unnecessary allegations " Robson wants to eliminate now?
He flat out accused Branca and McClain of knowing about the abuse and doing nothing about it?

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade and James whole case is build around the companies that the companies had a responsible or care of duty and did nothing about the abuse. Also say the companies hire Michael the owned of the companies which i don't see how the companies can do that. It all one last chance to force the Estate into a settlement. By put out these press release which by the way are all lies they are hoping the media will pick it up so far that is not happening so in a nutshell they have no case.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Did i miss the answer to these questions or were the asked?

Is Wade family still going to be depo?
Estate to do a mental examine on Wade?

 

[terrell]

I've said this before, but immediately after Michael died, all the big networks tried to push the scandalous stuff and within just a day or two realized they were on the wrong side-there was mourning and crying in the streets-there was 24 hour coverage of what was going on all over the world (and especially in US) and people don't mourn and cry and dance and sing and bring flowers and cards over a child molester. They don't. It was obvious that the masses really didn't believe it all along and the media changed their tune in no time and started the celebration of his life too.

I think because of this (even though we'll never hear a formal apology from the media) they are approaching all of this with extreme caution-and we're not going to see any of this tabloid garbage in the mainstream press unless it finally gets to a trial.

And there were DJ's who broke down on air. Tom Joyner said he had to go lay down. Another DJ co host said she had to cancel her appointments. Some schools had to comfort some kids in schools. And this is just was known by me.

Exactly let these fools hang themselves they are doing that already when Wade and his lawyers go into the courtroom the judge will see the same things they have no case.

The part of James that ticked me off but made me also want to laugh at was when he said in the article 'Michael called and threaten him and became angry with him". WHAT! First of all, the trial was going on and MJ was on all radars. His cell phones, computers, etc were taken. If MJ had made any threats, the investigators can pull the phone records and James could have went to the DA with that evidence which Sneddon would have loved to have if that would have happen; but James he knows that is a LIE. MJ making threats during a TRIAL or trial proceeding? Give me a break. And if this kind of "ring" was going on, the FBI-who investigated MJ as well and found nothing- would have found it and arrested Norma and everyone else on federal charges.

And I want to commend Corey Feldman for going on the show "THE TALK" on Sept 20, 2016 after he talked about his CD, when asked about MJ and the lead host asked "why didn't you defend MJ when this claims were made and Corey reminded her, YES I DID, I was one of the first and Michael DID NOT touch me and he did NOT touch NO ONE. Sheryl Underwood clapped, Sharon nodded, and the audience gave big applause. See this is what I am talking about.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Good to hear. Wish Corey could get back into acting instead of this music thing.
Honestly all the lies told and then more lies to explain the previous lies are hopefully going to trip them up.
Reminds me a lot of the Murray trial with the preposterous and obvious lies he told. I would have been dying laughing had Michael not been involved.

 

[Annita]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Did i miss the answer to these questions or were the asked?

Is Wade family still going to be depo?
Estate to do a mental examine on Wade?

Yes because at this time everything is treated as if the case is going to trial and parties have to prepare so.

 

[Paris78]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And I want to commend Corey Feldman for going on the show "THE TALK" on Sept 20, 2016 after he talked about his CD, when asked about MJ and the lead host asked "why didn't you defend MJ when this claims were made and Corey reminded her, YES I DID, I was one of the first and Michael DID NOT touch me and he did NOT touch NO ONE. Sheryl Underwood clapped, Sharon nodded, and the audience gave big applause. See this is what I am talking about.

starts at 7:18

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks Paris for posting the video.

 

[MJJC Mod Squad #2]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

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[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He let it run for a while until he said it wasnt mj. the whole coffee book stuff

 

[ILoveHIStory]

Is this James's brother talking bout Mike?

Its, afaik, his cousin, his tweet is dated to 2013!!!! about the James´ claims against MJ.
Who knows what he thinks about it now....

 

[8701girl]

Its, afaik, his cousin, his tweet is dated to 2013!!!! about the James´ claims against MJ.
Who knows what he thinks about it now....

Well I don't it would change that quickly cuz wade made these claims roughly around that time ...didn't he?

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Robson is accusing dozens of people of facilitating child abuse but after three years he still doesn't know who they are?
After reviewing thousands of pages his lawyers still don't know who operated the most sophisticated child abuse system the world has ever known?
How come they don't have to name them? The Estate sure would want to depose them.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yeah, I don't feel entirely comfortable with Corey Feldman.

All I'm saying is, nothing would shock me anymore.

I do not either but I still commend his for saying that when asked.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That may be true for now, but if Wade manages to get this to a trial, the coverage will be much more widespread and a lot more damaging I fear.

It will be damaging for Wade. His whole life of defending Jackson from a TEEN to and ADULT will work against him; even when he did the Today show, majority of the media did not cover him and the other half reported it but somewhat made a mockery about him. Again, most people can see trash but haters get the most attention.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"I started looking at each piece of information, and with that came this sickening realization that there have been many occurrences in my life and in my relationship to Michael that have created a question of doubt."

.

Are you sure these were Corey's exact words and now just yet another scribe's exaggerations?
As far as I remember he only mentioned the medical book as ONE occurrence which created a question of doubt.
But then he was asked about that book on twitter and he said hell no he didn't find it sexy at all.
The someone said if anything it makes you asexual and he liked that tweet.
No pedo would use THAT book to groom anyone, it's ridiculous.
If Corey indeed saw it that was because he asked MJ about it.
MJ was interested in medicine and anatomy and he did buy a 19 century medical textbook
with nasty drawings of skin diseases. It was in 1985 during his trip to Australia. Most likely
that was the book Corey talked about.

They talk about the book here at 6:46?