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Thank you. What a bunch of ass***** at least it didnt work
Thank you. What a bunch of ass***** at least it didnt work
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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Apparently Robson's lawyers tried to do the same trick with the depositions of other people as well - last sentence.
Look at all the game playing by Robson's new lawyers (they are referred to as "MSF"). IME = Independent Medical Examination.
All the discovery requests by Robson were fulfilled by the Estate without any need for a motion to compel.
Then Robson's new lawyers took over.
Funny how when these same lawyers requested Robson's IME be postponed from Aug 1. to 22. there were no worries by them of Robson being suicidal...
Wow, Robsons' new lawyers are real pricks. Look at their arrogant reply to one of the Estate lawyers. "20 years huh?" (They are replying to the e-mail below.) What an unprofessional jerk!
Only after the Estate told them this did they come up with the whole suicidal nonsense as a reason to preserve his testimony. LOL.
Apparently Robson's lawyers tried to do the same trick with the depositions of other people as well - last sentence.
Look at all the game playing by Robson's new lawyers (they are referred to as "MSF"). IME = Independent Medical Examination.
All the discovery requests by Robson were fulfilled by the Estate without any need for a motion to compel.
Then Robson's new lawyers took over.
Funny how when these same lawyers requested Robson's IME be postponed from Aug 1. to 22. there were no worries by them of Robson being suicidal...
Wow, Robsons' new lawyers are real pricks. Look at their arrogant reply to one of the Estate lawyers. "20 years huh?" (They are replying to the e-mail below.) What an unprofessional jerk!
Only after the Estate told them this did they come up with the whole suicidal nonsense as a reason to preserve his testimony. LOL.
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That new attorney is total prick. He tried to dictate the date of deposition by saying because Robson is already in Cali, but I liked how the estate attorney said they pay travels costs for another trip when they are ready to do their own depo with Wade.
This new attorney mentions many times that case has been going on over 3 years, so they had plenty of time to take Wade's depo. How much of the time was used to to argue as whether Wade can sue dead person? It was only May 2015 when judge dismissed Wade's claim against MJ, and MJ was removed from the case.
Secondly, many times he mentions that this case has been going on so long - over 3 years, all of sudden Wade is suicidal, particularly in this August:scratch:
This is interesting bit Wade's attorney wrote:
"The plain reading of the statute dooms Defendants' position. First, the request for a second deposition is facially premature, as the statute specifically provides that there can be no second deposition allowed "once any party has taken the deposition of any natural person, including that of a party to the action." CCP 2025.610(a)
The first deposition of the Plaintiff has not even taken yet, thus a subsequent deposition cannot be granted.
Are they trying, by taking Wade's depo themselves, that the estate attorneys cannot take their own deposition from Wade?
It seems so, because the above is referenced in more than one place in their document. It is not about preserving Wade's depo in case he decides off himself, (despite this case has been going on so long (over 3 years as his attorney likes to remind the court ,and so far Wade has managed not to off himself)), but trying make sure that the estate attorney cannot take his depo as Wade is already deposited by themselves.
Interesting that this new attorney mentions with bolded letters that this case has been going on for ever three and half year, but Gradstein didn't see urgency to take Wade's depo during that time. The urgency came after this new attorney started his gameplay.
Good thing that judge saw through their nonsense and granted the estate attorneys ex-parte application.
That new attorney is total prick. He tried to dictate the date of deposition by saying because Robson is already in Cali, but I liked how the estate attorney said they pay travels costs for another trip when they are ready to do their own depo with Wade.
This new attorney mentions many times that case has been going on over 3 years, so they had plenty of time to take Wade's depo. How much of the time was used to to argue as whether Wade can sue dead person? It was only May 2015 when judge dismissed Wade's claim against MJ, and MJ was removed from the case.
Secondly, many times he mentions that this case has been going on so long - over 3 years, all of sudden Wade is suicidal, particularly in this August:scratch:
This is interesting bit Wade's attorney wrote:
"The plain reading of the statute dooms Defendants' position. First, the request for a second deposition is facially premature, as the statute specifically provides that there can be no second deposition allowed "once any party has taken the deposition of any natural person, including that of a party to the action." CCP 2025.610(a)
The first deposition of the Plaintiff has not even taken yet, thus a subsequent deposition cannot be granted.
Are they trying, by taking Wade's depo themselves, that the estate attorneys cannot take their own deposition from Wade?
It seems so, because the above is referenced in more than one place in their document. It is not about preserving Wade's depo in case he decides off himself, (despite this case has been going on so long (over 3 years as his attorney likes to remind the court ,and so far Wade has managed not to off himself)), but trying make sure that the estate attorney cannot take his depo as Wade is already deposited by themselves.
Interesting that this new attorney mentions with bolded letters that this case has been going on for ever three and half year, but Gradstein didn't see urgency to take Wade's depo during that time. The urgency came after this new attorney started his gameplay.
Good thing that judge saw through their nonsense and granted the estate attorneys ex-parte application.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Reading Robson's opposition, his new lawyers are courtroom bullies - which is why he hired them, I guess. They keep going on about ridiculing the Defense for not being prepared to depose Robson after 3 years of proceeding. Which is of course a fallacy in itself, because it is totally understandable if they want to depose him in the possession of even more information that may come out of the IME.
They also keep misrepresenting the Defense's position and act like the Defense wants to forbid them to depose their own client. Which is not their position. The Defense said that Robson's lawyers can go ahead and depose him on August 24 and for one hour if they want to, but they themselves intend to depose him at a later date and for at least 7 hours when in possession of of his IME results. So I had the feeling that for most of their Opposition they kept attacking a strawman.
They basically wanted to limit the Estate's ability of deposing Robson - in a sneaky way but that's what it seems like. They say they are entitled to depose Robson on the 24th of August which the Estate did say they are. But they themselves, they said, want to take his depo at a later date. But Robson's lawyers insisted that with that they are "in direct violation of the "One Deposition Rule"". Ie. that someone can be only deposed once. So eventually this trickery did go down to trying to force the Estate to take Robson's deposition without the results of the IME and with the limitations (one hour) put on it by Robson's lawyers. Of course, this would be unacceptable and I am glad the Judge agreed.
Reading Robson's opposition, his new lawyers are courtroom bullies - which is why he hired them, I guess. They keep going on about ridiculing the Defense for not being prepared to depose Robson after 3 years of proceeding. Which is of course a fallacy in itself, because it is totally understandable if they want to depose him in the possession of even more information that may come out of the IME.
They also keep misrepresenting the Defense's position and act like the Defense wants to forbid them to depose their own client. Which is not their position. The Defense said that Robson's lawyers can go ahead and depose him on August 24 and for one hour if they want to, but they themselves intend to depose him at a later date and for at least 7 hours when in possession of of his IME results. So I had the feeling that for most of their Opposition they kept attacking a strawman.
They basically wanted to limit the Estate's ability of deposing Robson - in a sneaky way but that's what it seems like. They say they are entitled to depose Robson on the 24th of August which the Estate did say they are. But they themselves, they said, want to take his depo at a later date. But Robson's lawyers insisted that with that they are "in direct violation of the "One Deposition Rule"". Ie. that someone can be only deposed once. So eventually this trickery did go down to trying to force the Estate to take Robson's deposition without the results of the IME and with the limitations (one hour) put on it by Robson's lawyers. Of course, this would be unacceptable and I am glad the Judge agreed.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Funny, isn't it? Especially in light of the fact that previously it were Robson's new lawyers who requested the postponement of his mental exam from August 1 to August 22. Funny there were no concerns of suicide and no urgency to proceed when they requested that.
Interesting too that the Estate agreed to it without making a whoopla out of it like Robson's side is doing now with his deposition. They did not go around trying to ridicule Robson's side how he couldn't be prepared for a simple mental exam in all these 3 and a half years and things like that.
The 3 and a half years is not even totally correct, since much of it was in the probate court where Robson's deposition WAS taken (though it was a limited deposition according to these court papers). The focus shifted to the civil matter only after the probate case has been thrown out last year.
Funny, isn't it? Especially in light of the fact that previously it were Robson's new lawyers who requested the postponement of his mental exam from August 1 to August 22. Funny there were no concerns of suicide and no urgency to proceed when they requested that.
Interesting too that the Estate agreed to it without making a whoopla out of it like Robson's side is doing now with his deposition. They did not go around trying to ridicule Robson's side how he couldn't be prepared for a simple mental exam in all these 3 and a half years and things like that.
The 3 and a half years is not even totally correct, since much of it was in the probate court where Robson's deposition WAS taken (though it was a limited deposition according to these court papers). The focus shifted to the civil matter only after the probate case has been thrown out last year.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
So Wade's team seems to think that his case cannot stand on its own merits, and needs 'legal tricks' to help carry it forward. It doesn't seem that his new legal team has much faith in his case!
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when his family is deposed.....
So Wade's team seems to think that his case cannot stand on its own merits, and needs 'legal tricks' to help carry it forward. It doesn't seem that his new legal team has much faith in his case!
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when his family is deposed.....
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
I wonder what is the real reason for Wade changing his legal team?
Maybe Gradstein knew that case is doomed and referred Wade to another law firm, or Wade felt Gradstein haven't managed to produce desired settlement offer from the estate and changed attorney?
Me too, especially when mother is being deposited. I can imagine the squirming going on.
I wonder what is the real reason for Wade changing his legal team?
Maybe Gradstein knew that case is doomed and referred Wade to another law firm, or Wade felt Gradstein haven't managed to produce desired settlement offer from the estate and changed attorney?
Me too, especially when mother is being deposited. I can imagine the squirming going on.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
It seems to me he wants to play a more hardball game and these lawyers seem like the coutroom bullies (and also media whores) to implement that.
It seems to me he wants to play a more hardball game and these lawyers seem like the coutroom bullies (and also media whores) to implement that.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
In all this I find it fascinating that Robson and Safechuck now have different lawyers.
It doesn't reflect well on either case.
In all this I find it fascinating that Robson and Safechuck now have different lawyers.
It doesn't reflect well on either case.
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Nice to see them acting in such desperate ways. All it shows is how weak they and their case is and their concern about robson being deposed by the estate
Nice to see them acting in such desperate ways. All it shows is how weak they and their case is and their concern about robson being deposed by the estate
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Basically yes. They mention the deposition rules about each party can be deposed once for 7 hours. Then they set a date on their own. They don't meet and confer, they don't ask Estate if they are okay with the date. Nothing. They just say "hey we will be deposing him on August 24th". Then they keep mentioning the one deposition rule, saying to Estate "you better be ready to ask questions". They were basically saying if you don't show up and ask questions on the 24th, you will be forfeiting your right to depose Robson.
In my opinion Estate was quite understanding. They said "if you think you need to depose your client to preserve his testimony, fine do it. We just want to do our deposition at a later date".
In my opinion if this was truly about preserving Robson's testimony as a precaution, they would have taken up Estate's offer and do their deposition on 24th. But once they lost, they gave up and said they would depose him in October.
One moment it was so urgent and important to depose Robson quickly. But when they lost, nevermind they can wait a few months.
Basically yes. They mention the deposition rules about each party can be deposed once for 7 hours. Then they set a date on their own. They don't meet and confer, they don't ask Estate if they are okay with the date. Nothing. They just say "hey we will be deposing him on August 24th". Then they keep mentioning the one deposition rule, saying to Estate "you better be ready to ask questions". They were basically saying if you don't show up and ask questions on the 24th, you will be forfeiting your right to depose Robson.
In my opinion Estate was quite understanding. They said "if you think you need to depose your client to preserve his testimony, fine do it. We just want to do our deposition at a later date".
In my opinion if this was truly about preserving Robson's testimony as a precaution, they would have taken up Estate's offer and do their deposition on 24th. But once they lost, they gave up and said they would depose him in October.
One moment it was so urgent and important to depose Robson quickly. But when they lost, nevermind they can wait a few months.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
This new lawyer will not help Wade case either just looking at the updated that Respect 77 and Ivy has shown This case has been build on lies and those lies are about to come to a end.
This new lawyer will not help Wade case either just looking at the updated that Respect 77 and Ivy has shown This case has been build on lies and those lies are about to come to a end.
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respect77;4164616 said:
This is the same asshole who said this when they worked for Michael Egan, another non-raped phoney:
If you are lying you are more credible.
These lawyers are Barry Rothman 2.0 or worse.
Does anyone know whether Weitzman ever did a molestation case and whether he won?
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
^^Well his practice area is criminal defence, so......
TMezz wasn't specialised molestation cases, but he managed to sort out 2005 case.
Link to some of Weitzman's cases:
http://kwikalaw.com/practice-areas/criminal-defense/
^^Well his practice area is criminal defence, so......
TMezz wasn't specialised molestation cases, but he managed to sort out 2005 case.
Link to some of Weitzman's cases:
http://kwikalaw.com/practice-areas/criminal-defense/
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Came across this filing from May 5th involving John Manly, from the same firm as Vince Finaldi, who is representing clients accusing a teacher from Gilroy Unified School District of sexual assault and harassment. Note the lawyer from another firm who is also representing someone in the claim. None other than Gloria Alred. While there is no connection to W.R. I just found it interesting that familiar faces keep popping up.
http://www.gloriaallred.com/Gloria-s-Videos-and-Statements/Gilroy-Complaint.pdf
Taking a quick peek on Vince Finaldi's page shows that he seems to get a lot of settlements, which he helpfully shows in bold text, but I wonder how he does in the court room. Just a guess but perhaps he's more effective outside the court room than inside since all his page seems to show are mostly settlements.
Came across this filing from May 5th involving John Manly, from the same firm as Vince Finaldi, who is representing clients accusing a teacher from Gilroy Unified School District of sexual assault and harassment. Note the lawyer from another firm who is also representing someone in the claim. None other than Gloria Alred. While there is no connection to W.R. I just found it interesting that familiar faces keep popping up.
http://www.gloriaallred.com/Gloria-s-Videos-and-Statements/Gilroy-Complaint.pdf
Taking a quick peek on Vince Finaldi's page shows that he seems to get a lot of settlements, which he helpfully shows in bold text, but I wonder how he does in the court room. Just a guess but perhaps he's more effective outside the court room than inside since all his page seems to show are mostly settlements.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Good at getting settlements by employing dirty legal tricks like "we have to do depo now!!"
Good at getting settlements by employing dirty legal tricks like "we have to do depo now!!"
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Pretty much. Or by planting salacious stories via media to try and force settlements.
Sleazy and arrogant by his response in those emails.
Pretty much. Or by planting salacious stories via media to try and force settlements.
Sleazy and arrogant by his response in those emails.
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Court sanctioned blackmail IMO. Very glad that Beckloff has been the judge from the beginning and can see through this. Although I get frustrated that he moves slowly, his decisions have been the right ones.
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Nothing what Wade and his lawyers have try to do has work it time to close up camp and go home enough is enough.
I agree with you need him to make that big decision that this is over.
Wade first lawyers could't get a settlement neither will this lawyer he can play his dirty legal game the judge will see right thought him. The Estate will not Settle
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I'm not that impressed with his settlements. As far as I can see most of those are against the church or the schools. In those cases there is a very obvious liability - as the priests/teachers are employed by the church/school and the kids are exposed to them through church/school. I believe most of those would also be instances where church/school knew but did nothing. I don't know if anyone watched "Spotlight" movie that came out last year. It was about how the church covered the molestation of the kids. So those cases are almost slam dunk IMO. Furthermore I think those cases also have defendants who are more than happy to settle. I imagine church/schools prefer to quietly settle than to go through a public trial. So those big settlements aren't that impressive IMO.
furthermore their case results only show settlements and not a single trial win.
I'm not that impressed with his settlements. As far as I can see most of those are against the church or the schools. In those cases there is a very obvious liability - as the priests/teachers are employed by the church/school and the kids are exposed to them through church/school. I believe most of those would also be instances where church/school knew but did nothing. I don't know if anyone watched "Spotlight" movie that came out last year. It was about how the church covered the molestation of the kids. So those cases are almost slam dunk IMO. Furthermore I think those cases also have defendants who are more than happy to settle. I imagine church/schools prefer to quietly settle than to go through a public trial. So those big settlements aren't that impressive IMO.
furthermore their case results only show settlements and not a single trial win.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Does anyone have an idea how Robson could convince the judge that he could not have reasonably discovered
his injuries before 2010 May?
Is it enough to show some expert opinion that something like this is possible and it happened to Wade too?
Does anyone have an idea how Robson could convince the judge that he could not have reasonably discovered
his injuries before 2010 May?
Is it enough to show some expert opinion that something like this is possible and it happened to Wade too?
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Good catch.
Well I imagine they know that they'll need to demonstrate the companies somehow controlled MJ. They might have realized they have nothing if they go with the employee claim.
Here it is.
Good catch.
Well I imagine they know that they'll need to demonstrate the companies somehow controlled MJ. They might have realized they have nothing if they go with the employee claim.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Ivy is that like going back suing Michael again his name was removed ? how can the call him a shareholder?
Ivy is that like going back suing Michael again his name was removed ? how can the call him a shareholder?
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
no not really. in order to sue companies he needs to show a relationship between MJ and the companies in which companies have power/control over MJ. That's why they are calling MJ and employee etc. To make it sound like companies could control MJ. Reality is however Mj owned the companies, he had control over the companies.
no not really. in order to sue companies he needs to show a relationship between MJ and the companies in which companies have power/control over MJ. That's why they are calling MJ and employee etc. To make it sound like companies could control MJ. Reality is however Mj owned the companies, he had control over the companies.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Thanks i see the picture now.
Thanks i see the picture now.