[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well now they kind of seem to go with...''even if the jury did not find anythin wrong with this...this guy was clearly messed in the head.''

People there say they couldn't make to page 15 b3cause of the incredibly disturbing stuff, i tried to load the PDF, but it's all white pages here. Do they mean descriptions of the allegations or something?

Oh so clearly ... Even children have better judgement of their fellow humans. People are so superficial. And dumb. It is so fashionable today to judge someone from rumors, from a piece of information, etc. Does anybody still care getting to know people?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's been a long time since i wrote in MJJC ...work keep me too bussy. But i'll say this, it is frustrating to see this done to a dead man. I thought after the FBI stuff this would be done and over with! It's like it doesn't matter how much evidence of innocents there is, he will still be guilty until proven innocent...... :(
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh so clearly ... Even children have better judgement of their fellow humans. People are so superficial. And dumb. It is so fashionable today to judge someone from rumors, from a piece of information, etc. Does anybody still care getting to know people?

I 100% agree with you on that. If he was this sexual predator there would have been countless of children with allegations, not counting the ones that were proven to be liars on the stand. The issue with the documents and photos are that people don[t know the details about them. Just now i browsed through the PDF to page 15 and i don't see this 'sick, shocking, horrible' things people on that other forum are seeing. Plus the fact that MJ bought tons of stuff, there's no telling if he even ever read the stuff. And what are they on about animal torture?.....what?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is a prosecution motion, why are people so dumb? Just because the prosecutors claimed what they claimed in that motion does not mean it was factual. Most of the books seized were not even touched. Under cross- examination the police officers who seized them did admit that they found most in sealed cardboxes among many other books and they had no idea how they got there, whether he bought them or they were sent to him, under cross they could not confirm that he even was aware of their existence. MEZ provided evidence that most were sent to him by renewed photographers among Hundred of other books. The only reason they were seized was that Sneddon asked them to look for any thing that resemble nudity in mj's library. They searched more than three thousand books and seized every book that has any material of interest to them. Irrespective whether Mj bought it or saw it. I can't believe how dumb people are and how evil Sneddon was.
to those who are creeped by those photographs, there was zero evidence Mj saw them or even was aware of them, there is a reason why none of the books was tested for finger prints. Read the testimony of the officers who seized the books and MEZ's cross.
 
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1. They are being fooled by manipulative journalism.
2. This is nothing new. All these books are public record since 2005 so Radar Online acting like some it was some new damning evidence is dishonest.
3. It was never damning evidence. It's what the media twisting this into. None of it was illegal. None of it was child porn. If it had been then MJ had been charged with it plain and simple. It's really frustrating that people are so misinformed about basic law.
4. All the material was shown to the jury in 2005 and they didn't find them damning.
5. That is because they are not. They are legal art books that you can buy in any book store or library. Several of the books are in the Library of Congress.

Let me show you how the media manipulates the public with this. The Daily Beast for example wrote that "child pornography was found" (simply not true - if someone insists there was ask him to show you where MJ was charged with it, because he should have been if child porn had been found). Then the stuff they claim to be "gore" and "child torture" is a book called Room to Play.



"Sex book". No, it is not a sex book. It's an art book by a renowned photo artist. An art book that is also in the Library of Congress. http://lccn.loc.gov/2004297659

An art book that contains surreal, photoshopped pics of children, in surrealistic settings. Pics like these:

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"which included a photo of murdered child beauty queen Jon Benet Ramsay with a rope around her neck" - This is the photo they are talking about.

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So that description too is very manipulative as it implies that there is a photo about the actual murdered body of Ramsey.

And this goes on with all the books and all the manipulation. The books all have been ALL introduced to trial in 2005 and the jury found him "not guilty". If child porn had been found MJ would have been charged with it. If anything illegal like child torture, animal sacrifice etc. had been found it would have been emphasized to death by the prosecution.

These are simply art books, some pics might be "edgy" or not everyone's cup of tea, but they are art books that you can find in any book store or library. Here is another one of that supposedly horror collection (by the way the media is trying to describe these books now) - The Golden Age of Neglect. You can skim through the full book here: https://vimeo.com/54012676

MJ was a big fan of photography.

You can find the full survey of everything that was found here: http://michaeljacksonallegations.co...aterial-found-in-michael-jacksons-possession/

Great post, very informative. Sadly with these naysayers, i could present all this to them and i will, but i am sure they will still say things like it's sick and twisted. But it's clear they are falling for the trap indeed. For example someone there said he closed the PDF because of how disturbing it all was, barely was able to get to page 15.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well now they kind of seem to go with...''even if the jury did not find anythin wrong with this...this guy was clearly messed in the head.''

People there say they couldn't make to page 15 b3cause of the incredibly disturbing stuff, i tried to load the PDF, but it's all white pages here. Do they mean descriptions of the allegations or something?


Most people aren't even reading that the investigator didn't find anything illegal. People are focusing on the pictures alone, and there are a lot of them. It took a long time for all those images to load. That's why so many pages are white, until they finally appear.
 
Paris78;4152827 said:
Maria Hassell ‏@HassellMaria

Reply from the MJ On Line Team regarding latest Lies from Media

Alicia Yaffe

Hi Elke:

There is no basis for the Estate to take any legal action. Libel and slander laws, unfortunately, do not extend to the deceased. Please also keep in mind the source of this article - a sensationalist tabloid that regularly publishes untruths.

Regards,
Alicia

MJOnline
The Official Online Team of The Michael Jackson Estate™

But the Estate could finally stand up for MJ, damn.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is the problem with the net. We have a few poxy articles about something that is over ten years old.well documented nothing new and nothing imcriminating yet ppl act as if its something new and are like OMG.. it isnt the first and it wont be the last. In the scheme of the world and the size of the reporting of it its nothing lets not make things bigger than they are.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well now they kind of seem to go with...''even if the jury did not find anythin wrong with this...this guy was clearly messed in the head.''

People there say they couldn't make to page 15 b3cause of the incredibly disturbing stuff, i tried to load the PDF, but it's all white pages here. Do they mean descriptions of the allegations or something?

There is nothing disturbing there. There has never been anything, ANYTHING, found in MJ's possession that was illegal or suspect. They went through all his computers with a fine tooth comb, raided his homes multiple times with dozens of officers, and the worst they could come up with is what you see here, legal art photography books by renowned artists that anyone can buy on Amazon. Michael owned literally thousands of books on a wide range of topics, from history to science to spirituality to art, and these books were among them. It's not like he had an obsession with child photography, which is what the prosecution tried to insinuate. You have to look at it in context. The pictures are also completely innocent although they are edited in the documents to make them look explicit (eg. that picture where the children's private area was pixeled out even though the children were fully clothed).

Some people just thrive off bullying and Michael is an easy target. I guess it makes them feel powerful even though they're probably nobodies in real life -_-
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The pictures were in books that were in sealed cardboxes sent to him by renewed photographers offering their services. Books that had other material. What the prosecution did was very selective. They were showing the jurors very selected pics from every book, when men got to cross examine a witness he used to ask the witness to refer to other pages and they were about celebrities and people Mj admired, so it was understandable why photographers would send him such books. Still zero evidence he touched them or was aware of their existence.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Look half the ppl on that board will prob vote for trump. You cant reason with stupidity. Ppl will always think what they want and while you spend the next x amount of time worrying about it they wont even remember what the story was about and will have moved onto something else.

Unless chandler and co confess which will not happen then ppl will think what they want and u know what even if they did confess they would still say he did it.so dont even bother wasting your time with them you can point out facts and nothing more.

Nothing was illegal. Talking as if theres no proof he touched them implies a level of criminality
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

But the Estate could finally stand up for MJ, damn.
They will never do. Weizman did not even try to defend Mj during the 2003 case on the contrary. This man was one of those who made the disastrous decision to settle in 1993 and in 2003 he was a media pundit and refused to say any positive things about MJ because he was no longer his lawyer.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Trump was the only high profile person who dared to call the "cancer-stricken child victim" Gavin Arvizos a liar while everyone was distancing himself/herself from mike.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks guys for the good information. I'll be sure to pass it on, but it probably won;t matter one bit. I think we can sadly conclude from that, that we will never 'win' it from these people and maybe it's just time to give up on that. Some people are going to believe whatever they want to believe. Many of the folks there apparently had reason to listen to his music again after he passed away, but now they don't wanr to do it anymore. Simpleminded idiots to be honest really.
 
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Oh sweet mother, I am done. I am so DONE.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just to cheer us all up :)

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As long as artists like this exist Michael's legacy is at least partially safe. I'm holding on to that now. Maybe if people hear artists they like speak about MJ in a positive way, they will be less inclined to believe the bad stuff about him. Nobody likes to think their idol admires a pedophile :mello: Sad that it has come down to this.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4152824 said:
Well now they kind of seem to go with...''even if the jury did not find anythin wrong with this...this guy was clearly messed in the head.''

People there say they couldn't make to page 15 b3cause of the incredibly disturbing stuff, i tried to load the PDF, but it's all white pages here. Do they mean descriptions of the allegations or something?

Page 15 is the fish in the basin from Room to Play. LOL. That book is a collection of surrealistic pics.

Book description:
“The power and pathos of Johan’s images springs from his intuitions about the texture of childhood experience and from his method. He works in collage, the technique at the heart of Surrealism. Collage frees him to walk the world with his camera and receive its impossible permissions. Something ordinary will strike him — a driveway, an abandoned house by the side of the road, a woman’s cheek – and he will shoot it, or sample it digitally if it comes from another source, and file it in his electronic unconscious (the computer). Children, dolls, and the peculiar constructions at the heart of his photographs (Dolls stuffed with meat and bird corpses, among others) Johan usually photographs in his studio. How he assembles these elements into digital tableaus is the mystery, and the process of adding, subtracting and recombining can be lengthy. “I don’t finish quickly.” he has remarked. Discards are strewn along his digital highway. ~Lyle Rexer”

Photographer Simen Johan on his own work:
My photographs are composites of multiple-image fragments that I digitally manipulate and combine, including both images that I have photographed myself and found images. By combining different elements, my objective is to create artificial scenarios that appear vaguely familiar and produce numerous associations. I want to evoke a sense of familiarity that will seduce the viewer into allowing his or her own experience, imagination, and understanding of existing popular imagery to become tools for interpreting my work.

You don't have to like it but c'mon, it's nothing criminal or perverted or anything. The book is in the Library of Congress: http://lccn.loc.gov/2004297659

Many of those black or white pics are hard to see. And they are obviously manipulatively selected pics - whoever did this took out the most "explicit" pics and often they are even made look more explicit than they are by tricks like this.

Radar Online's version

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The real pic

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They deliberately made it look like it's more explicit than it is with the blocked out crotch area when the subject are actually clothed (but that's hard to see on the black and white pic).

The Golden Age of Neglect (you can skim through the full book): https://vimeo.com/54012676

Pics from The Fourth Sex: https://www.google.hu/search?q=The+...97nNAhVB0xoKHdqsClUQ_AUICCgB&biw=1252&bih=604

The more explicit books are about adult women.

The so called "sado-maso" that the media talks about are pics from a book about women called Scenes d'Intereur: https://www.amazon.com/Scenes-Interieur-French-Alexandre-Dupouy/dp/3887690915

Wicked Intentions (again they may be a bit more explicit to some): http://davenestler.com/Store/Books/Wicked-Intentions---the-art-of-Dave-Nestler.html

Whether someone likes it or not, there is nothing illegal about such pics depicting adult women. And the pics look to be more creepy in RO's blurred black and white version.

Personally I don't think there's anything "sick" about these.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just to cheer us all up :)

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As long as artists like this exist Michael's legacy is at least partially safe. I'm holding on to that now. Maybe if people hear artists they like speak about MJ in a positive way, they will be less inclined to believe the bad stuff about him. Nobody likes to think their idol admires a pedophile :mello: Sad that it has come down to this.

I saw this performance and thought it was very good. Is there a specific MJ connection though?
 
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Twitter should have an entrance exam.

And continuous assessment. So many morons. Saw so many people tweeting articles from 2013 as brand new
 
(Please correct if in wrong section)

Can you guys believe they still won't just leave him alone? Even in death? (Well actually, we can.)

An investigator on the case told Radar Online, “The documents exposed Jackson as a manipulative, drug-and-sex-crazed predator who used blood, gore, sexually explicit images of animal sacrifice and perverse adult sex acts to bend children to his will.”

The source also said, “He also had disgusting and downright shocking images of child torture, adult and child nudity, female bondage and sadomasochism.”

Jackson was later booked into the Santa Barbra County Jail and charged with child molestation, extortion, child abduction, false imprisonment and giving a minor an intoxicating agent. He was acquitted of those charges in 2005.

Update (June 21, 3:40 p.m.): A representative from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Office released the following statement to Vanity Fair regarding the documents published by Radar Online:

Some of the documents appear to be copies of reports that were authored by Sheriff’s Office personnel as well as evidentiary photographs taken by Sheriff’s Office personnel interspersed with content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through unknown sources. The Sheriff’s Office did not release any of the documents and/or photographs to the media. The Sheriff’s Office released all of its reports and the photographs as part of the required discovery process to the prosecution and the defense.

Seriously? During the 1993 trial, all these crazy stories were circulating that child pornography was found in Jackson's home, but it was mere speculation. Why is this different? Why is this suddenly coming out now, over 10 years after the trial took place. There is literally no evidence presented in these articles, just 'statements'.

Michael is even more of a money-maker in his death and people are still trying to use these horrible allegations as sensationalist headlines, does it make you guys as angry as it makes me?

P.S Here is the link, it's trending on Facebook if you guys use it and clicking on the trend link will take you to a bunch of articles:

http://fox59.com/2016/06/21/report-...ted-underage-violent-porn-on-neverland-ranch/

Lol, Fox News - the most trustworthy newscaster out there (obviously).
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I saw this performance and thought it was very good. Is there a specific MJ connection though?

She's a huge MJ fan and I can't think of an artist where MJ's influence is more obvious. She is asked about this all the time in interviews. Also, there's this:

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It just always makes me happy (and relieved) when I see popular artists paying tribute to Michael. It means he is not quite 'toxic' yet.
 
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The thread has been closed on Neogaf and you guessed it...the mods couldn't be bothered to just edit the thread title which is full of misinfo and lies.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Page 15 is the fish in the basin from Room to Play. LOL. That book is a collection of surrealistic pics.





You don't have to like it but c'mon, it's nothing criminal or perverted or anything. The book is in the Library of Congress: http://lccn.loc.gov/2004297659

Many of those black or white pics are hard to see. And they are obviously manipulatively selected pics - whoever did this took out the most "explicit" pics and often they are even made look more explicit than they are by tricks like this.

Radar Online's version

Clipboard02.jpg


The real pic

9783836514521-6.jpg


They deliberately made it look like it's more explicit than it is with the blocked out crotch area when the subject are actually clothed (but that's hard to see on the black and white pic).

The Golden Age of Neglect (you can skim through the full book): https://vimeo.com/54012676

Pics from The Fourth Sex: https://www.google.hu/search?q=The+...97nNAhVB0xoKHdqsClUQ_AUICCgB&biw=1252&bih=604

The more explicit books are about adult women.

The so called "sado-maso" that the media talks about are pics from a book about women called Scenes d'Intereur: https://www.amazon.com/Scenes-Interieur-French-Alexandre-Dupouy/dp/3887690915

Wicked Intentions (again they may be a bit more explicit to some): http://davenestler.com/Store/Books/Wicked-Intentions---the-art-of-Dave-Nestler.html

Whether someone likes it or not, there is nothing illegal about such pics depicting adult women. And the pics look to be more creepy in RO's blurred black and white version.

Personally I don't think there's anything "sick" about these.
Thank you for this.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

OMFG, Radar goes that far? Truly, that kind of stuff should be punishable, really. This kind of stuff made the folks on NeoGAF and no doubt many other sites and people in general all go buckwild.....

What does Radar Online gain with this? A case that was years ago, a man that was fully exonerated and is very very sadly not among us anymore....WHY Radar? Good lord this stuff makes me furious and frustrated.

The real photos are out there, can't anyone from the justice system go after Radar for this stuff? Isn't this tampering with evidence or however it is called? So those photos were from The golden age of neglect? It's absolutely nothing bad at all.

So the report actually lies about explicit material being censored, because those lowlives censored it themselves? Truly terrible.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier;4152855 said:
OMFG, Radar goes that far? Truly, that kind of stuff should be punishable, really. This kind of stuff made the folks on NeoGAF and no doubt many other sites and people in general all go buckwild.....

What does Radar Online gain with this? A case that was years ago, a man that was fully exonerated and is very very sadly not among us anymore....WHY Radar? Good lord this stuff makes me furious and frustrated.

The real photos are out there, can't anyone from the justice system go after Radar for this stuff? Isn't this tampering with evidence or however it is called? So those photos were from The golden age of neglect? It's absolutely nothing bad at all.

Vanity Fair ran the same article and were issued with a response from Santa Barbara:

Update (June 21, 10:10 A.M.): A representative from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department gave Vanity Fair the following statement regarding the documents:

Some of the documents appear to be copies of reports that were authored by Sheriff’s Office personnel as well as evidentiary photographs taken by Sheriff’s Office personnel interspersed with content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through unknown sources. The Sheriff’s Office did not release any of the documents and/or photographs to the media. The Sheriff’s Office released all of its reports and the photographs as part of the required discovery process to the prosecution and the defense.

^ But of course, this will be glazed over. Vanity Fair are going to still keep the article up to generate more views and money. Poor Michael. He's not even around to defend his name yet they continue to write these crazy stories about him.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Shame the estate are to lazy to put out a rebutal. They shouldnt have to be asked.

Tell a lie often enough.......
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Debated on another forum. Usual one liner drive by crap posts with no substance. Luckily a few people actually knew the truth. I noticed none of my posts with information regarding the Chandlers and Arvizos, which they'll of never heard about, aren't quoted and refuted. Typical.

Came back after the football to see the thread closed. Great move to stop ignorance.
 
[h=3]MJEstate responds to Radar Online salacious false Neverland story[/h]
[FONT=&quot]"Michael Jackson was found innocent in a court of law.

That carries more weight than anything published by a sensationalist tabloid that regularly publishes untruths.

If the Estate were to publish a statement denouncing these tired articles every time they appear, it would not only generate MORE attention and news for the malicious information, but it would do nothing to stop future articles coming out whenever a publication like RadarOnline needs more traffic.

In fact, the outraged response that sites like RadarOnline elicits from publishing these articles is exactly why they post them; they are in the business of selling eyeballs to advertisers. The advertisers do not care if Michael’s fans are angry, as long as they are clicking on the articles.

Libel and slander laws do not extend to the deceased, so there is not actually an “appropriate” action that the Estate can encourage the fans to take except to ignore these articles and stop clicking on them. The only thing that will be effective is to deprive the publishers of their advertising dollars."

MJOnline Team [/FONT]
 
marc_vivien;4152861 said:
[h=3]MJEstate responds to Radar Online salacious false Neverland story[/h]
[FONT="]"Michael Jackson was found innocent in a court of law.

That carries more weight than anything published by a sensationalist tabloid that regularly publishes untruths.

If the Estate were to publish a statement denouncing these tired articles every time they appear, it would not only generate MORE attention and news for the malicious information, but it would do nothing to stop future articles coming out whenever a publication like RadarOnline needs more traffic.

In fact, the outraged response that sites like RadarOnline elicits from publishing these articles is exactly why they post them; they are in the business of selling eyeballs to advertisers. The advertisers do not care if Michael’s fans are angry, as long as they are clicking on the articles.

Libel and slander laws do not extend to the deceased, so there is not actually an “appropriate” action that the Estate can encourage the fans to take except to ignore these articles and stop clicking on them. The only thing that will be effective is to deprive the publishers of their advertising dollars."

MJOnline Team [/FONT]

Where was this posted?
 
LindavG;4152838 said:
Michael owned literally thousands of books on a wide range of topics, from history to science to spirituality to art, and these books were among them. It's not like he had an obsession with child photography, which is what the prosecution tried to insinuate. You have to look at it in context.

Yes, the context is often important. In this document they obviously tried to pick the most explicit stuff removing it from its context and the prosecution did the same with individual books in 2005. Like they had about 15-16 books that they confiscated - some had nude males, some had nude females some both. In court however they mostly went on about the nude male books trying to give the impression MJ had predominantly such books, when it wasn't true. His library counted some 10,000 books - from all those they managed to take 16 that had news. About half being females, so let's say about 7 or so had male nudes. And from a library of 10,000 books they tried to make those represent MJ - by removing them from their context. In fact, one of the prosecution's favourite books that they even brought up during closing arguments was The Sexual Study of Men, the only one publication that they found in MJ's possession that contained homosexual sex. It was a rare vintage book from 1970, it was found in a box with dozens of other art books, so not something that he kept under his pillow, but the prosecution tried to make it all important and representative of MJ's sexuality. (BTW, it's telling too that they tried to equate homosexuality with pedophilia.) When that was the only one book of that kind, when it was not found in a place that suggests special interest by MJ in it, when all of his actual porn was hetereosexual and he kept the heterosexual magazines in his nightstand. But that one book laying around in some box with other books supposedly proved he was gay (and therefore also a pedophile, I guess, according to prosecution logic). In a motion they also claimed that the erotic matrial found was "predominantly male oriented" which is simply a lie. Only of heterosexual magazines he had like 50-60. The point is you can manipulate narratives when you remove them from their context, so I agree wholeheartedly that the context is all important.

His relationship to books and photography also belongs to the context:

In their 2014 book “Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson In His Final Days” two of his bodyguards Bill Whitfield and Javon Beard wrote the following about Jackson’s love for books:

Javon: That’s how he filled all those hours by himself: books. He’d read anything and everything he could get his hands on. History. Science. Art. There were so many trips to Barnes & Noble. It was almost a weekly thing. He would go into bookstores and drop five thousand dollars like he was buying a pack of gum. At one point, he actually bought a bookstore— I’m talking about an entire bookstore. He paid cash for it.


Bill: It was on his way back from Tokyo, during those couple days he spent in L.A. He went to visit this used bookstore. It had a lot of rare books from the personal libraries of some pretty famous people, Hollywood stars. These were books that Humphrey Bogart had signed, books that Ingrid Bergman had signed. He asked the owner how much it would take to buy all of his books. The owner didn’t take him seriously. So he made an offer of $ 100,000. Said he’d pay cash on the spot. Couple weeks after he got back from L.A., this U-Haul filled with all these books showed up at the house in Vegas.



Jackson also had an extensive interest in photography and had done so since he was a child. CBS executive Ray Newton spoke about having met Jackson in 1979 and discovering how well versed Jackson’s love for photography was back then:

“About an hour later we picked up the professional photographer who was coming with us to radio. The photographer gets in the front seat of the limo says hello and then starts to assemble his camera. Once his camera is assembled he points it at me and Michael in the back seat of the limo. I instruct him not to shoot us so Michael can relax. Looking back, that would be a cool photo to have now but I was looking out for Michael’s well-being. Michael sees the camera and starts this deep photography discussion. I was in the discussion for about a minute then it got so deep that I just dropped out and that’s when the photographer looked at me and I looked at him with the looks saying check this out – Michael Jackson is knee deep in photography discourse. I asked Michael if he was a photographer and he said “No, I just like photography!!!”.

So Michael continues engaging in this very deep photography conversation with the photographer where he mentions something that the photographer said he needed to look into further. This went on for about 5 minutes, and the only thing that stopped that topic was that the photographer said something that Michael didn’t know and Michael got quiet.

Let me translate how deep Michael’s photography discussion was: imagine if someone says in the middle of a general conversation – pataflaflas swiss 6 accented parafliddle lesson 25 around the set groove. You would not only have to be a drummer but a drummer with not just a knowledge of rudiments but an advanced knowledge of rudiments that one can apply and play around the drumset and make them groove to know what that person was talking about.”​
Jackson would also use photography books as the inspiration for some of his costumes. Michael’s long time guitarist Jennifer Batten said her HIStory outfit had been inspired by something someone had shown him in an S&M book:
“Somebody had shown Michael an art book that was kind of S&M based and all the paintings looked really beautiful. So he had that in mind but when it came to real life it wasn’t too beautiful anymore,” she laughs. “I just had to remind myself that it was all about the theatre, you know? It’s not just about the music.”​
Photographer Todd Gray who worked with Jackson from 1979-1982 said of Jackson in his book Before He Was King:
“When Michael did find time to relax, he loved to leaf through photographic picture books. He would bring his favorite books with him on tour and buy more books while on the road – the bus weighted with an increasing number of boxes as we left each city. The Triumph Tour began in Memphis with no boxes; by the time we got to Dallas, a few days later, I noticed two; then came Houston; and by the time we hit San Antonio, I noticed a score of boxes being loaded onto the bus. He especially loved books on Hollywood glamour from the 1930s, richly illustrated children’s books, and coffee-table books on photography. Michael would usually hole up in the rear of the bus, while the others spent their time together in front. I also preferred the quiet at the back, and I would sit down with him while he was engrossed in a book of Hollywood glamour photographs from the 1930s. Looking at a particularly striking photo, he would say, “This is magic. They don’t make photos like this anymore.” He studied the pose, eyes, make-up, and expression – everything that went into a great glamour photo.

Michael also loved books that showed children from around the world. One day on the bus I remember him saying “I wish I could write a book about the children of the world. I could go to every country and show how everyone on earth is beautiful. I want to go to India and show the poverty and suffering of the children there, and maybe I could help improve the situation. Africa, too, where there is so much starvation and disease. Todd, would you want to do that with me?” I was stunned, both because I wondered how Michael would ever find the time and also that he wanted me to be the photographer. I suggested that he take a look at the photographs of Lewis Hine, the influential photojournalist whose work helped spur the introduction of child labor laws in the early twentieth century.”

After this conversation it seems Michael had looked into Lewis Hine’s work and 30 years later would tell people about it himself, even referencing it in his work. Bernt Capra who worked with Michael before he died on This Is It said in 2009:


“Michael Jackson was very well read and he loved art, and he knew his photography, and he liked this photographer, Lewis Hine, who had been a social worker in the depression era and shot photographs of victims of child labor – four, five, six year olds working in mills and mines. He was also very well known for a collection of photos of the construction of the Empire State Building which are very valuable now. Michael loves this guy and he based “The Way You Make Me Feel” choreography and set design on the photos of the men constructing steel beams as if they were on the top of a skyscraper having a lunch break.”​

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