[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Radar has been crawling up Robson's backside ever since the start of this and I wonder if he knows how they're pushing this? If he agrees with it he'll only be further proving he's full of it. I wonder how TMZ will react to it? They can be good sometimes, like when they called out the fake FBI story bullshit. I hope at least they tell it like it actually is.

RadarOnline seems to be the media that they use as their mouthpiece. I think initially they wanted TMZ, but TMZ for some reason turned against them. Remember when Robson's lawyer first came out to comment it with the whole "MJ was a monster" tirade it was on TMZ. I also remember Robson's cousin said in a comment section in the early days that people should follow TMZ regarding the case (another weird thing to say). But things seemed to have gone sour between the Robsons and TMZ because now TMZ hardly ever reports about them and often when they do they are kind of sceptical and sarcastic about them. And since everything pro-Robson and leaked docs and stuff like this one moved to RadarOnline.

Radar Online is run by Dylan Howard. He is born in Australia. I feel that's a factor and he has been extremely biased in this case and very very supportive of Robson - and Safechuck.

TMZ is run by Harvey Levin. People might not know but before TMZ, he reported on both MJ allegations as a lawyer turned journalist. Levin was actually the first journalist that said Evan gave Jordie Sodium Amytal. I have also heard Levin mock Janet Arvizo and mention how bad she was as a witness. I'm not sure what he thinks about the allegations personally but he clearly think at least some people weren't credible. I believe he thinks the same about Robson - not credible. TMZ was the first one to break Robson lawsuit news but very quickly they also reported Robson's testimony from 2005. And in a TMZ Live, he went over Robson's testimony and how the prosecution asked him very specific questions and how he denied it all. Robson claimed he never forgot what MJ did to him but he didn't know it was wrong at the time. However when asked questions like "did you lie together in bed" he said "no". So if he didn't forget anything, he either lied in 2005 or he is making it up now. I think that's why TMZ isn't taking Robson seriously. They would report the major developments - good or bad for either side- and that's it.

The estate really needs to up their game and use propaganda as well in a positive way, because I have no doubt this is going to get nastier.

I mentioned this before. When I asked about responding to negative stories in the past, they told me that if they respond it creates at least another round of negative stories being written about MJ. So rather that fueling the topic and causing it to last longer, they prefer it to die down quickly.

Obviously it's more of an attempt to portray him as someone out of control, because Percocet would be terrible for anyone with a sex addiction:

This is the blog post they had in their research notes

http://www.percocetabusehelp.com/the-connection-between-sex-addiction-and-percocet-addiction

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And that what i don't get Linda no evidence to prove that he did this. I can't understand how the court system is allow this mess to go on Michael is not here to defend himself and i tell you another thing if Michael was here today you would not even see this. Are court system is crazy. When will the ppls see this is all about money these cases need to be through out.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Oh god...not this again.

To my shock and surprise it seems it's on again. I was visiting NeoGaf. A forum about gaming, but also movies, news, music and so on. A person there made a thread called MJ apparently had a child pornography collection. It was all based on new articles by Radar Online and Vanity Fair.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1237391

Documents from the trial that previously had not been made public now are.

I am a bit surprised i didnt see anyone here talking about this, but maybe i am just not looking right. Do help me out in that case, please and redirect me to that discussion. In that thread there people are spreading misinformation and lies resulting in other people being totally shocked about this..all of a sudden not wanting to listen to his music anymore etc. sigh.

I haven't looked through the documents yet, for some reason my pc is very slow now, so i will do this later. But i am sure the media, tabloids are blowing it up as usual.

There used to be this big site full of information about the allegations, about all the lies...i used that site to educate myself on things. I'd like to present that site to folks, what was it again?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

At least they acknowledge these are not all their docs and that these are old news.

A representative from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department has since responded to the new reports with this statement to ?Vanity Fair?:

Some of the documents appear to be copies of reports that were authored by Sheriff's Office personnel as well as evidentiary photographs taken by Sheriff's Office personnel interspersed with content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through unknown sources. The Sheriff's Office did not release any of the documents and/or photographs to the media. The Sheriff's Office released all of its reports and the photographs as part of the required discovery process to the prosecution and the defense.​

 

[LindavG]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Daily beast have always hated mj. Didnt dimond do some articles for them along with that weirdo kosner.

I had no idea about that. They usually do pretty decent reporting so this article kind of shocked me. And the first two paragraphs are so damn frustrating. It's becoming the "reasonable" position to say MJ did at least something with those kids and the people who argue that Michael was innocent based on the actual evidence are dismissed as devotion-blind fans. It's what the media usually do, mistaking 'balanced' reporting with fair reporting. Sometimes one side is just objectively wrong and there is no middle ground.

The only time the agenda will stop is maybe when all the journos who lived in mjs time are dead and you have new generations who dont care enough to be obsessed with him. End of the day nothing you can do about it. The media brainwashed many along time ago and the rest dont care either way.the internet over dramatises many things and makes us think its bigger than it is.all it shows is they have nothing never did never will.they are the sickos.

I worry that it's the other way around and that the new generation will not know anything different than "MJ got away with it". And the less they care, the less likely they are to find out the truth on their own. What if our generation is gone and there is no one left to defend him? It wouldn't be the first time that history gets rewritten. I feel sick to my stomach thinking about it. Michael did not deserve this

 

[KOPV]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is literally a sad attempt to make old news - new news for money...

 

[MzKittyCat777]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have a request to the MJJCFam, seen how the molestation trial is being brought back up again by the dang media. Is there anyone who is willing to write a summary of the 2003-2005 trial with all the facts of that trial aswell the proof of Michael his innocence?
We would like to use it on MJJCommunity's facebook page to keep the message out there that Michael never did any harm to children at all. We do need this a.s.a.p. with how the topic is trending.

 

[#MJforever57]

I knew Wade and his lawyers were up to no good they have no proof so they have to makeup some.

This is literally a sad attempt to make old news - new news for money...

You hit it on the head.

 

[bluemoon7]

Re: Oh god...not this again.

*yawn*

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Re: Oh god...not this again.

*yawn*

Very much agreed with that my friend, but it's shocking how people still seem to believe he definitely did it. Shocking how they don't even seem surprised, as if this was expected.

Would you happen to know the site with ALL of the information though?

 

[Krshna28]

The lack of articles from the proper news sources (and not from tabloid and celebrity stalking sites) says a lot about these "claims".

Do people forget that the prosecution had all this information? Thomas Sneddon wanted Michael behind bars and wouldn't of hesitated in adding more charges. But there were zero images of abuse (child or animal). There was nothing illegal in those books.



The abundance of ignorant morons makes me depressed.

In someways I'm glad Michael is not here to endure this. On the other hand, his poor children have to endure this.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So true right now it just tabloid report.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

with content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through unknown sources.

Good eye. I went back and some of book covers, photographs etc are taken from book web pages around January 2016.

It was also funny that even Police Department was like "we didn't give these to media"

BTW - Radar has a "never before seen raid video". LOL. They are so desperately trying "never before seen" angle for really really old stuff.

 

[bluemoon7]

Very much agreed with that my friend, but it's shocking how people still seem to believe he definitely did it. Shocking how they don't even seem surprised, as if this was expected.

Would you happen to know the site with ALL of the information though?

Yes, it makes me sick how grotesque and vile people still are to Michael. It makes me very sad, too. Sometimes I think there is a conspiracy aimed at destroying Michael´s legacy. But this is silly and easier to believe than the fact that many people have hearts as cold as ice and egos as large as Mt. Everest.

I´m sorry, but I do not know that site with all the info, but currently there is a discussion goin on about that supposed "new evidence" in this thread:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...aim-of-sexual-abuse-against-MJ-Estate/page905

 

[etoile 37]

Re: Oh god...not this again.

There used to be this big site full of information about the allegations, about all the lies...i used that site to educate myself on things. I'd like to present that site to folks, what was it again?

Is it this one? http://michaeljacksonallegations.com/

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have a request to the MJJCFam, seen how the molestation trial is being brought back up again by the dang media. Is there anyone who is willing to write a summary of the 2003-2005 trial with all the facts of that trial aswell the proof of Michael his innocence?
We would like to use it on MJJCommunity's facebook page to keep the message out there that Michael never did any harm to children at all. We do need this a.s.a.p. with how the topic is trending.

You can use material from here: http://michaeljacksonallegations.com/

Regarding this current subject the relevant article: http://michaeljacksonallegations.co...aterial-found-in-michael-jacksons-possession/

But it probably needs to be made shorter for mass consumption.

 

[#MJforever57]

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There are some many documents in this thread and facts everyone is back up with proof and the truth.

 

[bluemoon7]

All this scum just a few days before Michael`s 7th anniversary. Of course. I´m struggling for words and do not find them ...

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Will the blood suckers obsessed with Michael ever leave him rest in peace? This kind of fu.ckery occurs close to his anniversary passing and cynically so to get more attention

I will be thrilled when Demon Dimond, Stacy Brown and all those parasite pseudo journalists obsessed with him get eaten by the worms!

 

[Justthefacts]

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Immediate LEGAL action must be taken by the Estate as he did before with the Daily Mirror, nothing else can stop this tabloid junk from spreading false rumours and innuendos about Michael . I wonder who on Earth feeds the beast anyway, especially now after 7 years ! We tried to contact them.

What can the estate do? You can't defame a dead person

 

[HIStory]

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I had no idea about that. They usually do pretty decent reporting so this article kind of shocked me. And the first two paragraphs are so damn frustrating. It's becoming the "reasonable" position to say MJ did at least something with those kids and the people who argue that Michael was innocent based on the actual evidence are dismissed as devotion-blind fans. It's what the media usually do, mistaking 'balanced' reporting with fair reporting. Sometimes one side is just objectively wrong and there is no middle ground.



I worry that it's the other way around and that the new generation will not know anything different than "MJ got away with it". And the less they care, the less likely they are to find out the truth on their own. What if our generation is gone and there is no one left to defend him? It wouldn't be the first time that history gets rewritten. I feel sick to my stomach thinking about it. Michael did not deserve this

I feel you. It's so frustrating. How do you fight lies when they are coming from all directions and bury everything under them? You know it is a lie, you can prove it is a lie but you don't have a voice when all the media keeps lying and just because they copy&paste thus they all say the same people will just automatically believe that and think you are just some fan in denial. When you have the actual facts and the media are all lies.

It's like with the FBI files story all over again, it spread like this from that low-brow Mirror and ended up in actual mainstream media as some true thing. And now being referenced over and over again as something that is true. I don't know, but I think the Estate should be more forceful in matters like this, putting out a rebuttal - at least make it known that there is another side of the story.

I wish Mez said something publicly too. This way it's just Zonen all over in the media getting away with BS.

Michael was such a good person and the world does this to him. It's so depressing to witness. I'm sorry it's just pure evil what they are doing to this man even in death.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Yes, it makes me sick how grotesque and vile people still are to Michael. It makes me very sad, too. Sometimes I think there is a conspiracy aimed at destroying Michael´s legacy. But this is silly and easier to believe than the fact that many people have hearts as cold as ice and egos as large as Mt. Everest.

I´m sorry, but I do not know that site with all the info, but currently there is a discussion goin on about that supposed "new evidence" in this thread:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...aim-of-sexual-abuse-against-MJ-Estate/page905

These documents should have never been released. unbelievelable how far websites go to make the guy look guilty again, after so many years. The judge and jury clearly did not think much of it, otherwise he would have been behind bars back then.

Is it this one? http://michaeljacksonallegations.com/

That;s the one, it has a new look but it seems to have it all.

Years ago i bothered to actually read it all, took the time for it, but admittedly that's also because i've been a fan ever since my birth basically, haha. But i do hope some people on NeoGAF can actually take their head out of their behinds and educate themselves, see how wrong they are.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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I'm in a discussion on another forum about this, sadly as expected but at the same time a bit unexpected, many people believe it and write MJ off completely now. Some idiots even compare him to Hitler and OJ in that people still defend them as well, good lord.

One dude replied to me and said that it's not true that only art books were found, perfectly legal art books at that. He says the report clearly says otherwise and pictures of the books are explicit in such nature. I haven't been able to fully browse through it all, but what does he mean?

 

[HIStory]

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I'm in a discussion on another forum about this, sadly as expected but at the same time a bit unexpected, many people believe it and write MJ off completely now. Some idiots even compare him to Hitler and OJ in that people still defend them as well, good lord.

One dude replied to me and said that it's not true that only art books were found, perfectly legal art books at that. He says the report clearly says otherwise and pictures of the books are explicit in such nature. I haven't been able to fully browse through it all, but what does he mean?

A full list of what was found is listed here: http://michaeljacksonallegations.co...aterial-found-in-michael-jacksons-possession/

Everything was legal. If there had been something illegal he would have been charged with that. Ask him where is the charge for that if illegal material have been found.

 

[bluemoon7]

The very bad thing is that probably most people (non fans, the public) will rather read and believe media crap than us true fans. They will say, always do, that we just don´t WANT to "SEE" that Michael Jackson was not only a criminal but a monster. I mean all those "qualities" and evil things they say about Michael are enough to form even a couple of freaks, monsters.

Why, for crying out loud, does Michael have to remain a dangerous, sick individual in the public eye? What´s the GAIN? Feeling morally superior? Getting "a thrill" from it?

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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A full list of what was found is listed here: http://michaeljacksonallegations.co...aterial-found-in-michael-jacksons-possession/

Everything was legal. If there had been something illegal he would have been charged with that. Ask him where is the charge for that if illegal material have been found.

Well now they kind of seem to go with...''even if the jury did not find anythin wrong with this...this guy was clearly messed in the head.''

People there say they couldn't make to page 15 b3cause of the incredibly disturbing stuff, i tried to load the PDF, but it's all white pages here. Do they mean descriptions of the allegations or something?

 

[Loneman1]

Re: Oh god...not this again.

sorry double post

 

[Loneman1]

Re: Oh god...not this again.

Yeah, caught this on the trending sidebar of Facebook. Ugh.......it never ends, but then again. Hopefully this will be shown to be a huge exaggeration or plain old fabrication, and will be dismissed from anyone trying to bring it up as fact.

 

[Paris78]

Maria Hassell ‏@HassellMaria

Reply from the MJ On Line Team regarding latest Lies from Media

Alicia Yaffe

Hi Elke:

There is no basis for the Estate to take any legal action. Libel and slander laws, unfortunately, do not extend to the deceased. Please also keep in mind the source of this article - a sensationalist tabloid that regularly publishes untruths.

Regards,
Alicia

MJOnline
The Official Online Team of The Michael Jackson Estate™

 

[HIStory]

To my shock and surprise it seems it's on again. I was visiting NeoGaf. A forum about gaming, but also movies, news, music and so on. A person there made a thread called MJ apparently had a child pornography collection. It was all based on new articles by Radar Online and Vanity Fair.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1237391

Documents from the trial that previously had not been made public now are.

I am a bit surprised i didnt see anyone here talking about this, but maybe i am just not looking right. Do help me out in that case, please and redirect me to that discussion. In that thread there people are spreading misinformation and lies resulting in other people being totally shocked about this..all of a sudden not wanting to listen to his music anymore etc. sigh.

I haven't looked through the documents yet, for some reason my pc is very slow now, so i will do this later. But i am sure the media, tabloids are blowing it up as usual.

There used to be this big site full of information about the allegations, about all the lies...i used that site to educate myself on things. I'd like to present that site to folks, what was it again?

1. They are being fooled by manipulative journalism.
2. This is nothing new. All these books are public record since 2005 so Radar Online acting like some it was some new damning evidence is dishonest.
3. It was never damning evidence. It's what the media twisting this into. None of it was illegal. None of it was child porn. If it had been then MJ had been charged with it plain and simple. It's really frustrating that people are so misinformed about basic law.
4. All the material was shown to the jury in 2005 and they didn't find them damning.
5. That is because they are not. They are legal art books that you can buy in any book store or library. Several of the books are in the Library of Congress.

Let me show you how the media manipulates the public with this. The Daily Beast for example wrote that "child pornography was found" (simply not true - if someone insists there was ask him to show you where MJ was charged with it, because he should have been if child porn had been found). Then the stuff they claim to be "gore" and "child torture" is a book called Room to Play.

Radar alleges that a sex book called Room to Play—which included a photo of murdered child beauty queen Jon Benet Ramsay with a rope around her neck—was among items found.

"Sex book". No, it is not a sex book. It's an art book by a renowned photo artist. An art book that is also in the Library of Congress. http://lccn.loc.gov/2004297659

An art book that contains surreal, photoshopped pics of children, in surrealistic settings. Pics like these:

"which included a photo of murdered child beauty queen Jon Benet Ramsay with a rope around her neck" - This is the photo they are talking about.

So that description too is very manipulative as it implies that there is a photo about the actual murdered body of Ramsey.

And this goes on with all the books and all the manipulation. The books all have been ALL introduced to trial in 2005 and the jury found him "not guilty". If child porn had been found MJ would have been charged with it. If anything illegal like child torture, animal sacrifice etc. had been found it would have been emphasized to death by the prosecution.

These are simply art books, some pics might be "edgy" or not everyone's cup of tea, but they are art books that you can find in any book store or library. Here is another one of that supposedly horror collection (by the way the media is trying to describe these books now) - The Golden Age of Neglect. You can skim through the full book here: https://vimeo.com/54012676

MJ was a big fan of photography.

You can find the full survey of everything that was found here: http://michaeljacksonallegations.co...aterial-found-in-michael-jacksons-possession/