[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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Remember Sneddon laughing with the media and making jokes at his two main addresses to the press? I mean WTF. Something so deadly serious as child sexual abuse and you're making jokes?! Sitting there grinning like the cat that got the cream. Unbelievable. So few media outlets picked up on just how grossly inappropriate that was - nearly EVERYONE was pre-occupied and wrapped up in the Michael Jackson drama accelerating again.

Whoever else was speaking to the press at that media conference tried to keep Sneddon in check and retain professionalism but he simply couldn't contain himself.

Tells you absolutely everything you ever need to know, right there.

I remember alright, I remember - that and many other things. Such events are an insult to justice. First of all by accusing an innocent man of the most heinous crime possible when all he tries to do is to be a champion of children's rights. Not only that, but to make a mockery out of child abuse is also a complete insult to genuine victims of this most terrible and vile of human actions. Perhaps only infanticide and genocide can be placed higher on a scale of guilt and shame.

That is why I've always found not just totally inappropriate, but downright disgusting the late night "funny" lines on the subject. But of course, gettin' a laugh out of the audience at the expense of Michael Jackson and chasing them unholy ratings were sooo much more important than truth and sensibility to genuine trauma........

Thankfully, things have changed since 2009 and this latest wave of accusations hasn't posed anywhere near as much interest as in previous decades. Perhaps a lot of it has to do with the fact that Michael is gone, but the naive creature in me likes to think otherwise. Most people aren't even aware of these latest fabrications and for this we must thank the media, the mainstream one that is. What one or two tabloid sites say or do is highly irrelevant in the big picture.

 

[passy001]

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^^^Very beautiful images. Thanks for sharing or.....viel dank rather



Roger's article didn't seem all that bad to me honestly. Considering some of his output in the past I thought it was quite tamed in its criticism, if not downright supportive. I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect people to write 100% positive pieces in which Michael's every action or choice is praised.

One could even sense some sympathy for Michael's plight. Who knew Roger could do that? Was it in 2001 that he met Michael and had a rather flattering article only to change his tune and later focus on the "financial meltdown" once he stopped having direct access? In any case, those are things from the past. All that matters is the present and right now and for the time being I cannot say that I have that many objections to Mr. Friedman's choice of words, focus or perspective.

There was however a slight inaccuracy in it - the GQ article by Mary A. Fischer was published in October 1994 and not 1996. My elephunk memory still serves me well apparently https://mjjtruthnow.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/was-michael-jackson-framed-the-defining-1994-gq-article-by-mary-a-fischer-that-set-the-record-straight-on-the-1993-allegations/

I've always admired the courage of this woman in 1994 to go against the tide of media coverage. The same happened in 2005 with Linda Deutsch from the AP, Aphrodite Jones in later years and also in recent years with Anthony McCartney also from the AP. These people show that journalistic integrity is not a lost cause when it comes to media coverage of Michael's life, especially his tribulations. What a shame these people were the few exceptions in a world which tends to mistake freedom of speech with freedom to slander.

The verdict ten years ago came as a complete surprise to many and that was mainly due to media coverage. Most failed to report on the inconsistencies in the prosecution's case and the utter lack of credibility of the Arvizo clan. Had they been fair and had the legal "experts/analysts" (Mr. Toobin comes to mind) properly analyzed the evidence most would have seen how not guilty on all counts was not an impossible outcome, but the only possible outcome.

That's true.

RF is one of the several parasites that have lived off MJ for years, if not decades.

RF is the one who started the whole MJ obsession back in the day when he got hired by Fox in 1999. he immediately set MJ as a constant target in his now defunct blog fox411, writing 1-3 articles a week about MJ - even by celebrity standard that was excessive. anyway, as you put it, his focus was on the "financial meltdown", how sony/atv was going to be foreclosed and so on. he became a PR nightmare for MJ from 2001 until MJ death, often conspiring with so-called insiders to blackmail and smear MJ. Because RF was receiving a lot of traffic for the negative coverage of MJ on his now defunct blog Fox411, other tabloids started to produce even more salacious stories in a bid to compete with RF. Bashir, in a bid to outdo other tabloids, took this to the extreme by portraying MJ as creepy pedo in a documentary, which in turn set MJ for his arrest, trial and later his death. it was a culmination of these events that led MJ to his death.

There was no way MJ could have survived as tabloids collectively intensified their attacks, even to the point of physically harassing MJ and his staff. some of his staff were offered large sum of money to turn on MJ and claim all kinds of things. With MJ dead, many are now struggling financially and are even retrenching. it's only a matter of time before some close down for good as they struggle to find another target to scandalize.

as for RF, he's now a ghost of his former self. he's managing a blog almost no-one wants to touch, especially after getting fired by Fox. every now and then he writes a piece about MJ, almost as a lame attempt to re-claim relevance. he's now in his mid 50's. and 10 years from now he'll retire from a dreadful career, which he dedicated to ruining lives.

 

[passy001]

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LOL@Sneddon and his crew going out to dinner celebrating and popping champagne before the jury had even reached a verdict. These people are so arrogant and pathetic. I wonder if the prosecutors who handled Jerry Sandusky's case were behaving this way? It just goes to show you that this wasn't about justice. It was about taking down the world's biggest celebrity and making a name for themselves. They were so blinded by zeal and the obsession to win that they put all their faith, trust, and resources into a family that turned out to be a total disaster for them. I read somewhere that Sneddon never recovered from the verdict and that he had a profound sadness about him up until he died..

That is because the trial of MJ was NEVER about his guilt. it was about destroying his career and later his life. That's what that celebration was about. Sneddon got the media to lynch MJ to death.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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i think the exact amount was 17k. sneddon was made to testify about the meeting at one of the pretrial hearings. lied underoath claiming the meeting in the carpark in L.A was sheer coincedence. he had all the paperwork needed for her to apply for the money.she then agreed to the scam and the raid happened soon after

I think it was a victims fee compensation forum he gave her to fill out, I don't remember it being for 20k tho.

 

[HIStory]

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he had all the paperwork needed for her to apply for the money.she then agreed to the scam and the raid happened soon after

The raid was in November.

 

[ChrisC]

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That is why I've always found not just totally inappropriate, but downright disgusting the late night "funny" lines on the subject. But of course, gettin' a laugh out of the audience at the expense of Michael Jackson and chasing them unholy ratings were sooo much more important than truth and sensibility to genuine trauma........

That always reassured me that deep down the vast majority didn't take those claims seriously, but still saw them ripe for comedy. Which, although it can be argued is innappropriate still, made me feel glad that most didn't think MJ really was guilty of those acts.

Thankfully, things have changed since 2009 and this latest wave of accusations hasn't posed anywhere near as much interest as in previous decades. Perhaps a lot of it has to do with the fact that Michael is gone, but the naive creature in me likes to think otherwise. Most people aren't even aware of these latest fabrications and for this we must thank the media, the mainstream one that is. What one or two tabloid sites say or do is highly irrelevant in the big picture.

You are right to say most are not aware. These new allegations just haven't permeated like the old ones. Justice in a way.

 

[HIStory]

Even Gavin made jokes while testifying in front of the Grand Jury.

22 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Okay. Do you remember
23 when you were in front of the Santa Barbara Grand
24 Jury, Mr. Sneddon told you there was an order that
25 you not talk to the media, and your response was,
26 “Oh, man, I was going to have a press conference”.
27 Do you remember that.
28 A. That was probably a joke. 2023
1 Q. That was a joke.
2 A. Yeah.
3 Q. So you’re in front of the Santa Barbara
4 Grand Jury talking about this case and you’re
5 telling a joke.
6 A. Yes.

That poor alleged "victim"...

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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Sneddon's agency was full of bad actors.

 

[AliCat]

In the Michael Jackson case, the media consensus was very much against Jackson from the beginning. The public is often more repelled by charges of child molestation than even murder. Because Jackson devoted an enormous portion of his life to charity for children, my colleagues and I decided to try to turn the prosecution’s allegations into misinterpretation and misguidance. We focused on the fact that Jackson lacked a normal childhood because of his talent and being forced to work at an early age. While other children visited the playground, Jackson was rehearsing in the studio until three in the morning. He was signing contracts at the age of five. We sought to use information to explain why an adult would construct a home like Neverland and conduct his life with an emphasis on children.

Rather than run away from Jackson’s focus on children, we embraced it. We emphasized his desire to champion the cause of children from violent and impoverished backgrounds. We discussed his history of helping children with AIDS and degenerative diseases. We also portrayed his childlike tendencies as a key to his music and choreography. What the prosecution portrayed as monstrous, we portrayed as harmless and beneficial.

The goal was to reduce the prosecution’s presentation to one, simple question: “Given that Michael Jackson is a childlike person with innocent explanations for his focus on the world’s children, did his behavior ever cross the line into sex?” If the prosecution could not prove that it did, acquittal was required. This is what happened.

http://www.shiftyourlife.com/2011/e...-and-celebrity-cases-by-thomas-a-mesereau-jr/

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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The raid was in November.

when was the meeting in the carpark respect?i guess the passage of time is foggying (sp) things

Imo the only reason there isnt much attention on robson etc is because theres no rating/sales for them anymore. mjs not here to be handcuffed to be put before a tv trial to create huge ratings.thats the only reaon they arent as intrested

 

[HIStory]

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when was the meeting in the carpark respect?i guess the passage of time is foggying (sp) things

Well, you said the meeting in the carpark was right after the Bashir doc, which was in February. The raid was in November.

 

[Bubs]

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June 13th Michael, on behalf of mankind, we are sorry...

First 45 seconds of that video is heart breaking then Michael expression @:45

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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never mentioned bashir doc. maybe from someone else

Well, you said the meeting in the carpark was right after the Bashir doc, which was in February. The raid was in November.

 

[PoP]

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First 45 seconds of that video is heart breaking then Michael expression @:45

That's exactly how I described. He looked like he lost his smile.

 

[HIStory]

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never mentioned bashir doc. maybe from someone else

Oh, it was Soundmind:

I dont remember exactly. But at the time it was revealed that he put his business card under their door immediately after the documentary was published and before the raid on Neverland, he met Janet Arvizo at a vacant lot in LA where he gave her the money. According to her that when she "knew" that her son was molested .LOL It was one of the worst scenarios ever, as by that time her three children had already met Dickerman (their first lawyer who she hired in February), Feildman in May and Katz but she had no idea about abuse until she met Sneddon that day, and the ignorant masses wonder why MJ was acquitted!

 

[Soundmind]

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Oh, it was Soundmind:

where did I say in that post that the meeting in the vacant lot was right after the Bashir documentary?!

 

[barbee0715]

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^^this seems odd to me. Sneddon just gives Arvizo thousands of dollars in a parking lot? Wouldn't that be considered some kind of bribe.
I can see the paperwork but I'd imagine the State would need you to be proven a victim before paying out.

 

[Antwort]

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Imo the only reason there isnt much attention on robson etc is because theres no rating/sales for them anymore. mjs not here to be handcuffed to be put before a tv trial to create huge ratings.thats the only reaon they arent as intrested

And here I was silly, little me thinking that after June 25th they had learnt positive coverage about Michael sells just as well, if not better than scandalous and slanderous lies.....

That's exactly how I described. He looked like he lost his smile.

He may have walked out of that courtroom a free, but deeply wounded man, if not even broken. However, he still rose and he still very much had that beautiful smile of his

Don't mean to go excessively o/t and turn this into a picture thread since there is an entire section of the forum dedicated to them, nor do I want to remind people of other sad events in another month of June.

I guess I'm simply trying to prove the point that however terrible and final the sting of the trial on Michael's soul may seem to have been, it may not necessarily be so. There still were times and occasions of light and joy.

 

[dannyboy72]

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I read this comment on youtube. It is so true:

"We love and worship money so much to the point that we will compromise ourselves and hurt others just to get it, but fail to remember that you only live once. When you are facing your last moments here on earth, all the money in the world is not going to save or comfort you. Nobody goes to the grave with millions of dollars."

 

[barbee0715]

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He may have walked out of that courtroom a free, but deeply wounded man, if not even broken. However, he still rose and he still very much had that beautiful smile of his

I guess I'm simply trying to prove the point that however terrible and final the sting of the trial on Michael's soul may seem to have been, it may not necessarily be so. There still were times and occasions of light and joy.

I'm glad you posted that reminder. I didn't and don't feel any jubilation or happiness about that day. I watched the verdicts being read on TV and I felt weak, dizzy, sick, shell shocked, stunned and oh so grateful. Then I hysterically cried for hours.

Michael seemed to have the same emotion all over his face multiplied by a million. The way his father steadied him as they walked out to the car killed me. I had just watched a person I loved more than anything be destroyed for good.

The only way I'll ever be jubilant in my life time is if Jordan ever comes clean with the truth. I want complete and total vindication.

So yes, I am grateful you posted that picture. Personally I need the reminder that there were moments when he got his life back.

 

[SarahJ]

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I doubt very much he would have handed her cash, just the papers as an incentive to get her cooperation. I did come acorss this from ABC news dated Apr. 29th. No year stated but must have been '04 as it talks about his arraignment on the Friday.

"A memo that bears Sneddon's name and is dated last November says Sneddon personally investigated aspects of the case against Jackson. Jackson defense sources told ABCNEWS that Sneddon took on parts of the investigation that are almost always handled by police investigators or junior prosecutors.

According to the memo, Sneddon drove to Los Angeles and met alone with the mother of Jackson's alleged victim in a parking lot behind a federal building. The memo says that Sneddon took pictures of the office of a private investigator who worked for Jackson. Sneddon, the memo claims, handled all these matters by himself, without the presence of a law enforcement officer or an investigator. Sources close to Jackson told ABCNEWS that Sneddon also executed his own stakeouts.
In addition, a Santa Barbara County police report says that Sneddon met alone with Jackson's alleged victim's mother on another occasion."

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=116524

 

[HIStory]

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where did I say in that post that the meeting in the vacant lot was right after the Bashir documentary?!

But at the time it was revealed that he put his business card under their door immediately after the documentary was published and before the raid on Neverland, he met Janet Arvizo at a vacant lot in LA where he gave her the money. According to her that when she "knew" that her son was molested .

Sorry if that's not what you meant but the whole story is just so vauge and not clear to me at all.

"he put his business card under their door immediately after the documentary was published and before the raid on Neverland"

But the documentary was in February and the raid was in November. So when did this supposedly happen during those 9 months? Right after the Bashir doc or right before the raid or somewhere in between or when?

"he met Janet Arvizo at a vacant lot in LA where he gave her the money"

How do we know this?

"According to her that when she "knew" that her son was molested."

In the court papers I have read Janet Arvizo had several versions of how she learnt about her son's alleged abuse (they had four versions of it, to be precise) but none of it included meeting with Sneddon in a parking lot.

So again, I am just trying to figure out is where do these infos are coming from.

 

[SarahJ]

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One source in post above. ABC news article.

 

[HIStory]

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According to the memo, Sneddon drove to Los Angeles and met alone with the mother of Jackson's alleged victim in a parking lot behind a federal building. The memo says that Sneddon took pictures of the office of a private investigator who worked for Jackson. Sneddon, the memo claims, handled all these matters by himself, without the presence of a law enforcement officer or an investigator. Sources close to Jackson told ABCNEWS that Sneddon also executed his own stakeouts.
In addition, a Santa Barbara County police report says that Sneddon met alone with Jackson's alleged victim's mother on another occasion."

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=116524

Thanks. This is the kind of info I was looking for. To know where this is all coming from and in what context. It does not say though that he gave her money. So is there any evidence for that or is that just fan speculation? Also there is no date given here about these meetings. Was it before or after the investigation already started? This article at least does not inform us about that.

 

[SarahJ]

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The memo was "dated last November" which would have been 2003. So my best guess is it would have been during the investigation. I had read mention of his meeting her during his testimony during the pretrial hearings. I haven't read it in a while but if I remember correctly he denied giving her papers re: the victim's compensation fund and was only trying to get Janet to identify Bradley Miller. I'll have to see if I can find it which will take awhile. I don't know if there are any specfic dates however as to when he met with her.

I never heard that he gave her cash (and don't think he did), don't know where that came from, just that he was giving her the information and papers for the funding.

 

[HIStory]

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The memo was "dated last November" which would have been 2003. So my best guess is it would have been during the investigation. I had read mention of his meeting her during his testimony during the pretrial hearings. I haven't read it in a while but if I remember correctly he denied giving her papers re: the victim's compensation fund and was only trying to get Janet to identify Bradley Miller. I'll have to see if I can find it which will take awhile. I don't know if there are any specfic dates however as to when he met with her.

I never heard that he gave her cash (and don't think he did), don't know where that came from, just that he was giving her the information and papers for the funding.

Thanks.

Whatever the subject of the meeting was we know for a fact from other papers that Janet Arvizo asked for victim's compensation. But it did not have to necessarily happen in that parking lot.

 

[SarahJ]

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No but the article does mention meeting with her on another occasion.

 

[barbee0715]

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One source in post above. ABC news article.

Thanks for posting this. Either I didn't see it at the time or didnt remember. I tried to avoid anything about the trial except the nightly news and AP in the paper.

Reading it now-it's astonishing that Sneddon was so obvious about his vendetta that the press was discussing it like this.

I live in Texas and a few years ago they exonerated a man who has been in prison for 30 years and on death row for 12.-Yesterday a special review board just stripped the DA of his license. Apparently, he used false testimony and withheld evidence just to get a conviction. Now all of his cases are under review-and personally, I think he should be prosecuted.

I wish the same had happened with Sneddon.

 

[SarahJ]

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i thought I had it somewhere. Can't copy from the .pdf but its from the "Order for Release of Redacted Documents. Defendant's motion for Recusal of Santa Barbara County Districts Attorney's office". It's on page 10 & 11 of the .pdf (page on 6 & 7 of the document). Says on Nov. 8 Sneddon met with Janet to give her the application for the Victim's Compensation.

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/100704orderrelrecusal.pdf

 

[Soundmind]

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Sorry if that's not what you meant but the whole story is just so vauge and not clear to me at all.

"he put his business card under their door immediately after the documentary was published and before the raid on Neverland"

But the documentary was in February and the raid was in November. So when did this supposedly happen during those 9 months? Right after the Bashir doc or right before the raid or somewhere in between or when?

"he met Janet Arvizo at a vacant lot in LA where he gave her the money"

How do we know this?

.

"he put his business card under their door immediately after the documentary was published and before the raid on Neverland he met Janet Arvizo at a vacant lot in LA where he gave her the money"

This is what I wrote. You were not here from 2003 to 2005 that's why you are missing on those details .