[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Excellent new. fecking wonderfull. i walked away from this case early on but this is great news. so would the civil case and companies come under the limitation rule aswell.? burn in hell robson. May u suffer in the same way for your greedy sick acts. you could have at least come up with a half credible story instead of looking like a total numbnut

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Irritating that the Daily Fail has quoted the 'Supporters of Wade Robson' FB page (with screencap) in their online report. Yep, the FB page with 17k likes, and er, 4 commenters under the post quoted by the DM.


'A post on a Facebook page titled 'Supporters of Wade Robson and other victims of MJ,' reads in part: Unfortunately Wade's fight for justice has been given a set back'.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gainst-Michael-Jacksons-estate-dismissed.html

I find it interesting because that article itself was from AP:
"By Associated Press and Charlene Adams for MailOnline"

and rest of the stuff in the article was added by this Charlene Adams. Does she follow those handful of psycho MJ haters (thanks Respect for that)? I find it interesting that there was 50-50 chance she could have quoted MJ fans or MJ haters, she picked those psychos to quote. Maybe she has been having interactions or something with them, or knows someone from Wade's psycho ally's personally?

 

[ChrisC]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is it really a 'fight for justice' if you ask for money?

I guess in a way it can be. Not in my book.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

so would the civil case and companies come under the limitation rule aswell.?

As that is a civil case and the defendants are companies there are different rules at play there, but that should be thrown out as well IMO. To prevail there Robson needs to show that the companies knew or had a reason to know that he was allegedly abused and that they failed to implement safeguards to avoid alleged abuse. However in the first version of his complaint he could not even state a viable cause of action as to how and why the companies were supposed to know about alleged abuse. Because of that the Judge sustained the Estate's demurrer but gave Robson a chance to amend his complaint and try to state a viable cause of action. He filed his amended complaint. We have not seen that, but we have seen the Estate's demurrer in reply of it. Based on that it does not seem that he could allege much more than what he alleged in the first complaint. From what we can read out from the Estate's demurrer I still can't see any viable cause of action claimed by Robson.

 

[HIStory]

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and rest of the stuff in the article was added by this Charlene Adams. Does she follow those handful of psycho MJ haters (thanks Respect for that)? I find it interesting that there was 50-50 chance she could have quoted MJ fans or MJ haters, she picked those psychos to quote. Maybe she has been having interactions or something with them, or knows someone from Wade's psycho ally's personally?

Those haters reach out tabloids, tweet to them, give them crap to publish etc. so I can see them befriending certain tabloid journalists. They definitely do that with RadarOnline.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks respect but isnt there a civil case against the estate/mj ontop of the companies? whats just been dismissed is the creditors claim. sorry for my ignorance as this was one case to much to follow

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks respect but isnt there a civil case against the estate/mj ontop of the companies? whats just been dismissed is the creditors claim. sorry for my ignorance as this was one case to much to follow

No. The civil case is about the companies. Well, actually the civil case also included MJ as a natural person, but you cannot sue a dead person (which is acknowledged by all parties) so that part will probably be dismissed now that the probate case got thrown out. Here is Ivy's summary of the cases:

Safechuck civil case

No action at all. Civil case is waiting for probate outcome.

Safechuck probate case

Safechuck filed late probate claim
Estate filed demurrer
Demurrer hearing was on December 16, 2014
December 30, 2014 Judge sustained the demurrer with leave to amend
March 18, 2015 Safechuck filed the second amended complaint
Now we are waiting for Estate to file their second demurrer
Next hearing is set for July 21 2015

Robson Probate Case
Robson filed his late probate claim
Estate went for a summary judgment
There was a hearing set for November 2014 but it doesn't look like it happened
Robson lawyers were talking about asking an extension to go over the discovery
March 2015 Robson finally filed his opposition for Estate's summary judgment motion
Hearing for summary judgment motion is set for April 21, 2015

Robson civil case

Robson filed his civil complaint
Estate filed a demurrer
October 1, 2014 Judge sustained the demurrer with leave to amend
December 16, 2014 Robson filed his amended complaint
March 10 2015 Estate filed second demurrer
Robson will file an opposition and Estate will file an reply.
Next hearing is June 30 2015


It's the Robson Probate Case that got thrown out now. The Robson civil case is basically against the companies. There is also MJ as a natural person, but he was only kept in as a "placeholder" to replace him with the Estate/Executors in case Robson could have gone on with his creditor's claim and the Estate had turned it down. But now that the probate case got thrown out there is no reason any more for keeping MJ as a "placeholder". So it will be just about the companies.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thank you respect!

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I find it interesting because that article itself was from AP:
"By Associated Press and Charlene Adams for MailOnline"

and rest of the stuff in the article was added by this Charlene Adams. Does she follow those handful of psycho MJ haters (thanks Respect for that)? I find it interesting that there was 50-50 chance she could have quoted MJ fans or MJ haters, she picked those psychos to quote. Maybe she has been having interactions or something with them, or knows someone from Wade's psycho ally's personally?

I looked her up. Was surprised to see she's from Brooklyn. Special interests include children and Civil Rights. She might benefit from doing a bit more research into Michael.

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/charlene-adams/49/517/344

 

[Hess]

Thank god this imbecile stupid F#¤% didn't get anything.

He was only after money, it's way too easy to see - and thank God the judge saw it too !!

Estate should counter sue for millions just to scare off others who think they can get some easy money from MJ....

 

[dannyboy72]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Someone on twitter stated that she plans to create a gofundme account for Wade and James. I just laughed and rolled my eyes.

 

[passy001]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If they think this was a surprise then that's just rainforces they did not follow the case. Surprise would have been a decision to the contrary. Some of the media just went back to their 2005 antics, trying to flame bait the public against MJ when they do not even follow or understand the case properly themselves, let alone covering it in a fair manner.

The HT article came up on my feed as well earlier today, but I did not even click on it, just banned anything from HT from my feed because I do not wish to see any tabloid on my feed.

The point here is that there is a very well organised conspiracy against MJ and anything that does not serve that purpose is not reported. the whole surprise thing is just a spin. in reality they are just annoyed.

personally, I suspect that robson and safechuck were approached by some people to make these allegations in return for some cash regardless of the outcome. their compensation could be tied to the amount of publicity their cases generate. so the more publicity,. the more money they get.

anyhow, the real idea here is to tarnish MJ reputation, then making it difficult for his estate to generate money since the estate depends on MJ image to generate money. This has been going on since 1993.

 

[myosotis]

I see there is a tweet from Jermaine...


Jermaine Jackson ‏@jermjackson5 · 55m55 minutes ago
The truth wins another marathon... #waderobson #justice

 

[passy001]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is anyone finding it interesting that TMZ is the only media not reporting this?

Not at all. the conspiracy against MJ is much serious and wider than you think.

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Someone on twitter stated that she plans to create a gofundme account for Wade and James. I just laughed and rolled my eyes.

I hope that the target doesn't exceed $50. I think they would be sadly disappointed.....

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Someone on twitter stated that she plans to create a gofundme account for Wade and James. I just laughed and rolled my eyes.

But, but, but... I thought this was not about money. So what is the funding needed for?

 

[reibish]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Estate should counter sue for millions just to scare off others who think they can get some easy money from MJ....

Unfortunately that's not how it works, and honestly Wade is broke anyway so suing him would be fruitless. He'll get his due without the Estate's help.

 

[mo_rizwan]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What a Horrible Woman!

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I am not interested in Diane Dimond's or haters' opinions, to be honest. Let's not make this thread about them.

 

[floatingcity]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Not this time.

 

[Dunk96]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm happy as all hell. Quite frankly none of these trials should have ever gone to court ever. The fact that it's rumored that Wade could appeal the case is disgusting and it shows his true colors. Both he and James will get their karma eventually.

 

[LastTear]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Finally a step in the right direction, can't believe its taken this long and are we still looking at another year or two before this is completely over?

 

[PoP]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I am not interested in Diane Dimond's or haters' opinions, to be honest. Let's not make this thread about them.

Well said, yet I still don't believe in opinions which counts as lying. The truth will continue to run a marathon.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They're a small minority

"Don't let it get you down!"

:dancin:

 

[Tygger]

I am unsure if this situation is being clearly stated due to some of the comments and even Dimond’s tweet:

Robson’s probate claims were dismissed. Safechuck’s probate claims that supported Robson’s will most likely be dismissed as well.

There is NO civil trial for either party so the Estate cannot countersue either party.

The probate judge will decide if a civil trial can be pursued for Robson and I see no reason to believe he will decide Robson can sue in a civil court. A decision on Safechuck’s civil trial is dependent on his probate claims which, as stated previously, will most likely be dismissed.

The ONLY viable option will be appeals by Robson and Safechuck’s legal team and that can ONLY happen if they are funded.

Yes there are legalities that continue however; there is no chance of success for Robson and/or Safechuck. This can be seen as the beginning of the end and/or simply, the end.

Fortunately the judge did not allow for a dangerous precedent which would happen if he approved Robson’s probate claims. Because there is no precedent, there is no wider media coverage and I am glad. These claims were never about Michael; they were about getting access to estate funding. Because Robson (and eventually Safechuck) was not granted access and the only viable option is appeals, the wider media is rightfully uninterested.

personally, I suspect that robson and safechuck were approached by some people to make these allegations in return for some cash regardless of the outcome. their compensation could be tied to the amount of publicity their cases generate. so the more publicity,. the more money they get.

I have always stated someone(s) was funding this doomed venture and it was doomed from its beginnings. I never believed Robson and Safechuck's legal team's services to be contingency-based. This was an expensive venture and we will find out if their benefactor is truly wealthy if both probate claims and both civil claims continue with the appeal process.

 

[ivy]

I am unsure if this situation is being clearly stated due to some of the comments and even Dimond’s tweet:

Robson’s probate claims were dismissed. Safechuck’s probate claims that supported Robson’s will most likely be dismissed as well.

There is NO civil trial for either party so the Estate cannot countersue either party.

probate claims are about suing MJ/MJ Estate. Dismissal of such claims means they cannot sue them civilly.

HOWEVER there's civil cases against MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures. Those are active and they are NOT dependent on the probate dismissal. Estate has dismissal requests for those too. Lawsuit against corporations have different set of rules, statute of limitations etc.

Dimond's comment is true. This is not over - as many of us repeatedly said on this thread too. While this ruling means Robson (and most probably Safechuck) cannot sue MJ and MJ Estate, their case against MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures are still active. Only if the judge dismisses those too, it would be over (minus the appeals).

Respect77 have posted my case summary but allow me to recap even in a shorter format. There are 4 cases, 1 dismissed, 3 still active

Robson probate claims against MJ/ MJ Estate - dismissed

Safechuck probate claims against MJ / MJ Estate - ongoing but most probably will get dismissed same as Robson probate claim

Robson civil case against MJJ Productions / MJJ Ventures - ongoing

Safechuck civil case against MJJ Productions / MJJ Ventures - ongoing

 

[Tygger]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Dimond's comment is true. This is not over. While this ruling means Robson (and most probably Safechuck) cannot sue MJ and MJ Estate, the case against MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures are still active. Only if the judge dismisses those too, it would be over (minus the appeals).

That is my point. I do not believe those frivolous civil trials will see a courtroom and I do not want them to see a courtroom. I believe they will be dismissed as I stated.

For all intensive purposes, this is over and fans should rejoice now; not years later. I understand why Dimond would like to believe this will never be over because of her obsessive hatred and that has always clouded her reasoning. She benefits from any Jackson misfortune but, Michael's fans do not. I do not want the Estate to continue to waste time and monies on this nonsense. Unless Robson and Safechuck or whoever is funding them can afford the appeal process for four claims, it is over.

 

[jaydom7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't see how the civil trials will happen when the judge has basically said that Robson nor Safechuck have shown any evidence whatsoever that MJ's companies are responsible for anything.. How would the companies know if they were allegedly molested when Wade himself said for 20 years that MJ never did anything wrong to him?

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That is my point. I do not believe those frivolous civil trials will see a courtroom and I do not want them to see a courtroom. I believe they will be dismissed as I stated.

I believe everyone here shares your position in this regard.

For all intensive purposes, this is over and fans should rejoice now; not years later.

That's your right. Personally I would prefer to wait until judge makes a definitive ruling in civil trial as well before I celebrate. And by definitive ruling I mean dismissing the civil complaint with no chance to amend. Like I said civil complaint is based on different law, different rules, different statutes of limitations and so on. So I wouldn't take a probate ruling and generalize it to a totally different condition. I believe and hope civil claims will get dismissed as well but I want to see it happen before I call it a party. Perhaps I'm being a little too careful but still that's my right.

I do not want the Estate to continue to waste time and monies on this nonsense.

unfortunately it's not that easy. it's not like they can remove themselves from the process , they would need to see this through and respond - if they don't want default judgment against them. So the still ongoing claims will cost time, effort and money until judge makes a definite ruling. similarly any appeal will cost time,effort and money until there's a definitive ruling there as well.

 

[Tony R]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This sets a really good precedent, especially if they all get dismissed. It shows other leeches that there's little point trying.

What's been heart warming about the whole saga is that despite being someone who closely follows current affairs and showbiz news, I never saw a word about this case outside of this board. That in itself marks a change of tide.

I'd like to thank Ivy and others who kept us informed of progression on here.