[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It is and also I'm not sure what could the kids testify about to start with? They weren't even alive when Robson or Safechuck claims to be abused. I guess the one possibility is that the Estate could have discussed their options with the beneficiaries, and the beneficiaries could have expressed that they want to fight these claims to the end. But a trial, witnesses etc is way too early. We don't even know if this will be allowed or not.

Or as character witnesses. Or maybe witnesses to some conversations between Robson and their father in 2005, but they were too young back then and I guess Michael also sheltered them from the things regarding the allegations and trial somewhat, so I'm not sure how much they would remember. Or witnesses to Robson visiting their father up until MJ's death - that BBQ in 2008 etc.

But at this point there are no trial strategies yet and there isn't even a trial set, so the mention of MJ's children in connection with a possible trial testimony is just tabloid BS.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So tomorrow (or day after) we might have something to mullin' over?
04/21/2015 at 08:30 am in department 51 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm really interested in this hearing tomorrow. I especially want to hear or about the argumentseach side uses
 
ivy;4086797 said:
I guess the one possibility is that the Estate could have discussed their options with the beneficiaries, and the beneficiaries could have expressed that they want to fight these claims to the end.

I understand your comment is speculative.

There are several claims against the Estate and it is most likely that Michael’s mother and children are not briefed on those claims. It is also most likely that their advice on how to handle those claims is not solicited. Michael’s mother lived through two horrific allegations against her son and all of the beneficiaries lived through his 2005 vindication. I do not believe any of them would want to relive those 2005 experiences; especially at their own expense.
 
OK, so haters apparently got hold of Robson's arguments in the probate court. Thanks to Ivy for delivering the details to me, so I am writing a summary of it so that you guys do not have to go to hater websites to check it out or go through the vicious hater language.

So indeed, as we suspected the probate court summary judgement revolves around Robson's claim of not knowing about the Estate and around equitable estoppel.

First the "didn't know about the Estate" argument. Apparently a lot of things came out about the interactions between Robson and the Estate in the past couple of years. The Estate says Robson knew about the administration of the Estate and it is proven by the following facts:

- Robson read about the controversy about the second will.
- Robson was aware of the guardianship issues re. Paris, Prince and Blanket.
- Robson attended the memorial.
- Robson was aware that there was a dispute about who was running the Estate in 2010-2011.
- In 2010 Robson was approached by Cirque du Soleil and met John Branca to discuss plans for the Immortal show.
- Robson was aware that Branca was a co-executor of the Estate.

Robson apparently in his reply tries to circumvent all this evidence by making a distinction between "knowing about the Estate" and "knowing about the administration of the Estate" (though this is not a direct quote from his complaint as I see it, so could be just a hater interpretation of what he claims - either way, it does not make sense to me). He claims that he did not understand that he could sue the Estate until it was explained to him by his lawyer in March 2013. He also says that although he did meet Branca in latter's office to discuss Cirque plans but he was only aware that Branca “ran the entertainment business side of the Estate”.

The hater website makes much of the fact that it's "proven" now that Robson was not fired from the Cirque show but declined himself. I know some fans still made claims about him being fired from the Cirque show, but we already know he was not since Howard Weitzman made that statement on TMZ (I guess it was TMZ) about how Robson left the Cirque project citing that his son became ill as a reason. So we know since then that he was not fired. (Well, to be precise, it seems he was never even hired in first place...) In his court docs however apparently there is no claim made about him leaving the Cirque show because of his son falling ill. He says he was approached in early 2011 by Cirque about the MJ project but it had to be validated by the MJ Estate. That's when he met with Branca in latter's office to discuss plans in the first quarter of 2011. Robson says apparently in his court papers that he declined "as he felt the producers and the Estate would face an uphill battle to “resell” him to whoever made the final decision to hire him". (Note: this is not a direct quote from his motion but from the hater who wrote the article, so who knows what is meant by it, but this is quite an odd statement to me. Who was the person who made the final decision and why Robson felt that person would not "buy" him?)

In an e-mail dated May 21, 2011 apparently Robson said he wanted to do the show "badly". But because of working on his first motion picture and emotional distress he started to feel (that he now says are a reasult of alleged sexual abuse by MJ) he felt he could not give his 100% to the Immortal show. The way the hater article is worded it is a bit messy here. It is not clear whether Robson declines the offer in that May 21 e-mail, or he only says the first part about him wanting to do the show badly.

Then apparently there are arguments made for equitable estoppel. His arguments are for that:

- MJ brainwashed him into believing that the acts between them were consensual;
- MJ threatened him;

Robson "admits" that he "lied" under oath in 1993 and 2005. (This is what we were talking about earlier in this thread. There is no other way for him: either saying it's repressed memory or admit he "lied".) He claims the reason for that was MJ's brainwash which made him believe what they had was a mutual, loving sexual relationship and that "they were in love". And so Wade saw nothing wrong with it. Here comes a direct quote from his declaration:

“The most distressing thing for me is admitting to myself that it felt good. I feel overwhelming guilt and shame that I looked forward to being with Doe 1 sexually, because it makes me feel like I am responsible. My life has been a lie.”

He also claims that MJ brainwashed him into believing that others were conditioned to think what they were doing was wrong so they would not understand and that's why they had to keep it a secret. The reasons he gives for allegedly "lying" in 1993/2005:

- He loved MJ and his attention and "he looked forward to being with Jackson sexually".
- He thought that Jordan Chandler and Gavin Arvizo equally enjoyed being molested by MJ, they only chose to "betray him" for money. "This was reinforced by Jackson’s daily coaching."
- Robson says when he testified he knew that sex between an adult and a minor was illegal, but MJ indoctrinated him into thinking that those who made the laws were wrong about it and thus he had no qualms about "lying" and denying doing anything sexual.
- Robson claims MJ brainwashed him into thinking that he and not MJ was the instigator of the sexual relationship and because of that he felt it would be his fault if MJ was in trouble for it. He claims that in 2005 in court he "felt like he was 11 years old again”, full of fear, shame and guilt".
- Robson claims he allegedly "lied" for MJ because it cemented his loyalty to him, allowing him to stay friends with him which would set him apart from the "traitors", ie. the accusers.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

God I'm so angry right now!

So first they said repressed memory, then he didn't understand and now he says he lied. Amazing.

We'll see what happens today :angry::angry::angry:


Thank you ivy and respect
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So you lied about not knowing in your first sworn statement. Your also admitting you knew it was wrong.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So you lied about not knowing in your first sworn statement. Your also admitting you knew it was wrong.

Exactly!

And was he brainwashed or did it feel good for him & he liked MJ's attention? Which one is it?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Even if all of that is true he's talking as if Michael's still alive. It's very clear that he is admitting to all of this because he got caught in a bunch of lies. And is trying to make the judge feel sorry for him
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Even if all of that is true he's talking as if Michael's still alive. It's very clear that he is admitting to all of this because he got caught in a bunch of lies. And is trying to make the judge feel sorry for him

Exactly. He's still suing a dead man who can't deny any of these things and fight this fight.

Add the the whole "I didn't realize I can sue Branca" thing. And whose fault is this if not his? And why does it matter if he thought Branca was only "running the entertainment business side of the Estate" - He still knew about the Estate and knew about the legal side of it, what does it matter who runs the other sides?

PLUS - what does he mean by "I didn't realize I can sue"? He makes it sound like if he knew he could sue the estate he would have done it earlier - So does it mean he waited for him to die? What stopped him from suing MJ after 2005? Where's the whole "realization" part fit into all this?
 
My own commentary to this:

So Robson did not only talk to Ciruqe about the project but to John Branca himself? He was in his office talking to him in Branca's position as the executor of the Estate. Yet he did not know about the administration of the Estate. LOL. OK.

From a legal POV: so the way they are trying to circumvent the "knowlede about the adminitration of the Estate" thing is claiming that although Robson was aware of the entertainment side of the Estate he was not aware of him being able to sue them. To me that sounds quite stupid, but for the sake of argument - the law says precisely:

(2) The creditor had no knowledge of the facts reasonably giving rise to the existence of the claim more than 30 days prior to the time for filing a claim as provided in Section 9100, and the petition is filed within 60 days after the creditor has actual knowledge of both of the following:

(A) The existence of the facts reasonably giving rise to the existence of the claim.

(B) The administration of the estate.

Knowledge of the administration of the Estate. Period. Not knowledge of whether you are able to sue or not. That you had a complaint and did not do due dilligence in discovering your legal possibilities in right time is no one's fault but yours. I don't think this should be a basis to circumvent statutes. Otherwise anyone could claim this about anything. "Oh I know all the facts giving rise to my claim for 10 years but I was only recently advised by a lawyer that I am able to sue - since I am a layperson I did not know this so far". I don't know but to me allowing this argument would set a bad precedent in circumventing statutes.

I tried to find precedents about what constitutes as knowledge about the administration of the Estate, but I could not really find anything similar to Robson's claims. The precedent I found is about a case where the dispute was about whether the executor's of an Estate were required to send a notice of the administration to the Plaintiff and if they did not whether that still means under the circumstances of that case that the Plaintiff's filing was too late. So this is a very different case, but I found something in it from which maybe we could derive something about the logic behind these requirements:

'A creditor has knowledge of the administration of an estate within the meaning of subdivision (a)(1) of Section 9103 if the creditor has actual knowledge of the administration through receipt of notice given under Section 9050 or otherwise, such as information from a newspaper clipping service that comes to the attention of the creditor. Constructive knowledge through publication of a notice of death or other information that does not come to the attention of the creditor is not knowledge for the purpose of subdivision (a)(1)....' " (20 Cal.App.4th at p. 931.) Since VW Credit conceded it received the notice of the administration of estate well before the deadline for filing claims, the reviewing court held that under the Probate Code, actual knowledge of the administration of the decedent's estate arose upon proper mailing of the required notice by the estate's personal representative. (Ibid.)

http://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/4th/35/16.html

To me key here seems to be whether something comes to the attention of the creditor. So in case there are news articles etc. about the death of someone but it does not come to the attention of the creditor then that does not constitute as "knowledge of the administration of the Estate". However Robson cannot claim such a thing. Obviously MJ's death came to his attention, as well as the fact that he had an Estate. That he did not sue in time because supposedly he did not understand he can file a lawsuit/creditor's claim against an Estate - well, that's up to his own undue dilligence and I don't think a reason to circumvent statutes.

“The most distressing thing for me is admitting to myself that it felt good. I feel overwhelming guilt and shame that I looked forward to being with Doe 1 sexually, because it makes me feel like I am responsible. My life has been a lie.”

To me it's quite impossible that anal penetration by an adult male to a kid would "feel good" and a child would look forward to that. And if it felt so good how come he did not turn out to be gay?

The "I was ashamed because it felt good" type of molestation stories are usually about the type of acts like masturbation, not about anal rape. I have never seen anyone claim that as a victim of child sexual abuse anal rape "felt good" and they were looking forward to it.

- He thought that Jordan Chandler and Gavin Arvizo equally enjoyed being molested by MJ, they only chose to "betray him" for money. "This was reinforced by Jackson’s daily coaching."

You mean, "coaching" like “They are making up all these lies about you and I, saying we did all this disgusting sexual stuff" lead Wade to believe that what they had was "loving" and alright? How does that make any sense?

He claims that in 2005 in court he "felt like he was 11 years old again”, full of fear, shame and guilt".

Strange. Acc. to Mez he put him on the stand first because he was such a confident witness. I wish we had a tape of his testimony. He does come accross as very confident in writing.

As for the equitable estoppel thing. I still do not get how anything they go on about here supports an equitable estoppel. I get it that they make a claim for "mind prison" - that MJ brainwashed him into believing this or that which is why he allegedly "lied" in 1993/2005. But their claim is that mind prison ended in May 2012. That means from May 2012 - from the point he himself claims he had all facts giving rise to his claim - the law gave him 60 days to file which he missed. What he allegedly believed in 1993 or 2005 is irrelevant from that POV.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

By the way let me place this new information in the context of the timeline of Robson's claims:


November 2010 - Son born
December 2010 - Offered to direct Step Up 4
April 2011 - He's out of the movie citing personal reasons
April-August 2011 - 1st nervous breakdown
Early 2011 - Approached by Cirque about Immortal. Cirque tells him it needs to be validated by MJ Estate.
First quarter of 2011 - Meets with Branca about Cirque plans.

May 16, 2011 - Starts cognitive therapy for about a month. Does not make allegations.
May 21, 2011 - Sends e-mail to Estate telling them he wanted to do the Cirque show "badly".
Mid-July, 2011 - Returns to work with "former sense of invincibility".
About July, 2011 - Announces he's gonna direct Cirque du Soleil's MJ show.
March, 2012 - 2nd nervous breakdown
Mid-April, 2012 - Starts insight-oriented therapy with another therapist.
May 8, 2012 - Makes allegations to his therapist, the first time ever.


Apparently his first breakdown happened in April 2011 - and for that he actually pulled out of the Step Up 4 movie then. In April 2011. We do not know when the Cirque talks took place relative to that date because "early 2011" or "first quarter of 2011" are board terms. However we have two dates which seem to be pretty exact: May 16 - he starts cognitive therapy for about a month. Does not make allegations. And he sends an e-mail to the Estate on May 21 2011 about wanting to do the Immortal show "badly". So he has already had his breakdown and is already in therapy when he sends this e-mail.

Moreover, it was in July 2011 that he told in that YouTube video that he is working on the Cirque MJ show. So it does not seem to me he declined it in the spring of 2011 if during the summer he was still talking about doing it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ivy and Respect thank you so much. You guys are awsome :bow:
 
Robson apparently in his reply tries to circumvent all this evidence by making a distinction between "knowing about the Estate" and "knowing about the administration of the Estate" (though this is not a direct quote from his complaint as I see it, so could be just a hater interpretation of what he claims - either way, it does not make sense to me). He claims that he did not understand that he could sue the Estate until it was explained to him by his lawyer in March 2013. He also says that although he did meet Branca in latter's office to discuss Cirque plans but he was only aware that Branca “ran the entertainment business side of the Estate”.

If he didn't understand that he could sue the estate, what made him to go see lawyer at all?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Does anyone have the video for Robson announcing he's gonna direct Cirque? I remember he actually made it sound like it was a done deal.

Here is Jamie King talking about him being the director of Immortal in August 2011. Robson still claimed in a July 2011 video that he was gonna be the director...

 
After Michael died no one forced Roberson to continue to stan for Michael. He did it because he wanted to. No one forced you to help his brother write a book about his innocence. What's his excuse for that? Now that he is admitting that he knew in 05 it was wrong why did you want your abuser at your wedding? Why did you use your abuser&#8217;s home to make short movies? Why did you have abuser in your home for a bbq? YOU&#8217;RE FULL OF SHIT<o:p></o:p>
 
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Justthefacts;4086927 said:
After Michael died no one forced Roberson to continue to stanfor Michael. He did it because he wanted to. No one forced you to help his brother write a book about his innocence. What's his excuse for that? Now that he is admitting that he knew in 05 it was wrong why did you want your abuser at your wedding? Why did you useyour abuser&#8217;s home to make short movies? Why did you have abuser in your home for a bbq? YOU&#8217;RE FULL OF SHIT<o:p></o:p>

Well, because he thought it was normal and loving and because it felt good. How then he did not become gay or a pedophile if to him this was normal and loving and it felt so good to him, is a mystery.

(BTW, shame on them for using this NAMBLA propaganda about kids enjoying anal rape.)
 
Actually there is a November 2010 article which already names Jamie King the director of Immortal: https://www.cirquedusoleil.com/en/press/news/2010/mj-presale.aspx

In that article the creators of the show already seem to be decided:

Guy Laliberté &#8211; Creative Guide
Chantal Tremblay &#8211; Director of Creation
Jamie King &#8211; Writer and Director
Kevin Antunes &#8211; Musical Designer
Mark Fisher &#8211; Set Designer
Michael Curry &#8211; Props and Scenic Designer
Zaldy Goco &#8211; Costume Designer
Germain Guillemot &#8211; Acrobatic Performance Designer
Scott Osgood &#8211; Rigging and Acrobatic Equipment Designer
Olivier Goulet &#8211; Projection Designer
Martin Labrecque &#8211; Lighting Designer
François Desjardins &#8211; Sound Designer

So was Wade even seriously considered for this? King was already signed and named as the director when Robson talked to Branca. Maybe he was just asked for a choreography role which he was reluctant to do under the direction under a "rival" such as Jamie King? Maybe there was some sort of power struggle there? He wanted to do the show badly but wanted to be the main director instead of King and he wasn't granted that?

Now I want to see that video again where Robson talks about the Cirque show, what he says about it.

ETA: This could explain this strange sentence: "Robson says apparently in his court papers that he declined "as he felt the producers and the Estate would face an uphill battle to &#8220;resell&#8221; him to whoever made the final decision to hire him"."

Maybe eventually he realized that Jamie King was not going to be replaced by him and his role could only be a smaller one, so he declined?
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He sounds like some of the people we catch at work with guns in their bags. I didn't know I could not bring it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Actually there is a November 2010 article which already names Jamie King the director of Immortal: https://www.cirquedusoleil.com/en/press/news/2010/mj-presale.aspx

So was Wade even seriously considered for this? King was already signed and named as the director when Robson talked to Branca. Maybe he was just asked for a choreography role which he was reluctant to do under the direction under a "rival" such as Jamie King? Now I want to see that video again where Robson talks about the Cirque show, what he says about it.

Perhaps he was just being considered for a dancer part. The one thing that is clear is he was nevergoing to direct anything. But he wasbragging about it
 
InvincibleTal;4086933 said:

Thanks. So it was on July 30, 2011.

Wade Robson was singing Michael Jackson&#8217;s praises as recently as July 30, 2011 &#8230; talking about preserving MJ&#8217;s legacy and &#8220;representing his essence&#8221; &#8230; just 8 months before he claims a nervous breakdown sent memories of sexual abuse flooding back.


He had to know by this time that he was not going to be on Immortal (which was developed since 2010 under Jamie King's direction and the show opened in October, 2011). So WTF is he talking about here? I was unsure before because I thought maybe he was talking about ONE, but if it's Immortal that he was talking about with Branca (as he apparently claims in his court papers) then this is beyond delusional.

And now he claims he declined the offer in the spring of 2011? Then why does he talk about it here on July 30, 2011?

Also one more thing about this odd sentence:

"Robson says apparently in his court papers that he declined "as he felt the producers and the Estate would face an uphill battle to &#8220;resell&#8221; him to whoever made the final decision to hire him"."

That word "resell" is also interesting. Robson actually worked with Cirque earlier on the Criss Angel show and it was a big flop and until today considered one of Cirque's worst shows. So it seems to me that he might have had perhaps some support from certain people at Cirque to do the show but there were others who opposed him due to earlier bad experience hence the word "resell" and the problem of reselling him to certain people who would make decisions (which is not only the Estate, but I am sure also Cirque).
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Everything Wade is saying now is a lie and he already lost count and direction of the story... And anyway, if "it felt good", why is he suing now?
 
I am still wondering a bit about this timeline with Cirque. I feel like the wording has significance so I'd like to quote some things word by word. Although it has to be noted that these are not word by word quoted from the actual motion but from the hater article, so we should read these by keeping in mind that this is through their filter. However I felt like it's still worth going through this a bit.

So acc. to the article Robson was approached through his agent Julie McDonald to work with Cirque. No date is attached to this approach in this sentence but earlier it is claimed in the article that "In 2010 Wade was approached to work with Cirque du Soleil". So apparently this was the first approach, in 2010. By Cirque. Acc. to the article Robson "had quit for whatever reason" (yeah, haters...).

Then the article says: "In early 2011, Charles Joron of Cirque du Soleil was considering an offer for Wade but it had to be presented to and validated by the Estate."

Note the wording! "Considering an offer" actually does not mean an offer was eventually made! Then Robson met Branca in his office in the first quarter of 2011. They talked about visions and creative concepts. But "In the end [Robson] declined the Cirque show as he felt the producers and the Estate would face an uphill battle to &#8220;resell&#8221; him to whoever made the final decision to hire him."

Then it's also stated (in a somewhat contradictory way about why he declined):

"Wade wanted to do the show badly, as he&#8217;d stated in an email dating to May 21, 2011, however due to his gig at the time &#8211; directing a major motion picture &#8211; as well as the emotional distress he was starting to feel, apparently for no reason but established now by experts to be due to the abuse by Jackson he suffered, he felt he could not give 100% of his creative output to the task of the Immortal show."

The latter could be a hater addition, but like I said the part about him declining because "the Estate would face an uphill battle to &#8220;resell&#8221; him to whoever made the final decision to hire him" - I find that a pretty interesting revelation actually. That's far from some very voluntary turning down of the offer because of being busy with something else. See my comment above about Robson's earlier experience with Cirque...
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Do we get to read Robsons document at some stage?
Who are thase haters that got their hands to this document?
If they got this, it means we can expect Radar or other tabloid to post filthy post about Wade's allegations?


- Robson claims he allegedly "lied" for MJ because it cemented his loyalty to him, allowing him to stay friends with him which would set him apart from the "traitors", ie. the accusers.

He took that bolded bit out of Gavin's testimony. Didn't Gavin claim something similar that he wanted to stay MJs friend but MJ was distancing himself from that family?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

His statements read like they never expected it to get this far and are now throwing in every thing but the kitchen sink trying to find some kind of way to make it all work. The more they try the messier and more desperate they look and the less sense it makes.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

To me resell means he was considered and passed for whatever the job. He later talked with Estate /Branca and expressed his desire to work for the shows. Estate might have backed him up but Robson felt the initial person that said no to him would be unlikely to say yes to him.

I am just making it up but could this be with Jamie King? Jamie gets selected as the director and his next job is to determine the choreographers. He doesn't want Robson. Robson talks with Estate / Branca who is like sure you can be a choreographer I'll talk to Jamie King but Robson feels Jamie King wouldn't say yes to him
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't have the interview handy but his reasons for going along with the abuse sound like what Jordan Chandler said to Dr, Gardner in his session with him. If I'm not mistaken, that because MJ was his friend and he would never hurt him, he went along with it.

I wish we had the documents to read for ourselves rather than relying on that site.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

To me resell means he was considered and passed for whatever the job. He later talked with Estate /Branca and expressed his desire to work for the shows. Estate might have backed him up but Robson felt the initial person that said no to him would be unlikely to say yes to him.

I am just making it up but could this be with Jamie King? Jamie gets selected as the director and his next job is to determine the choreographers. He doesn't want Robson. Robson talks with Estate / Branca who is like sure you can be a choreographer I'll talk to Jamie King but Robson feels Jamie King wouldn't say yes to him

I don't know if it would be King because eventually I think King would take orders from the Estate/Cirque. So whatever the big bosses said at Cirque/Estate he would have to do that. But at this point Robson wanted to direct a movie and I can imagine that being just a choreographer under Jamie King's direction was not the big coup that would make him a new Spielberg in his mind, so I think he might have felt such an job below him. Maybe he tried to convince people to replace King with him but I'm sure that was never seriously an option after they already signed an agreement with King in 2010. Maybe he felt the Estate should have vouched for him more, maybe he felt the Estate should have achieved it for him that King was replaced by him.
 
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